Ancient Black Nations in America

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#549 Sep 4, 2009
sammy wrote:
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Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK
Beautiful and RESPECTED post C/S ....10000%
Thank you for understanding and YES, I do UNDERSTAND your point as well.
Just Keeping it real for..........ever
Thanks sammy! I may not be as smart as some people on here, or as eloquent with my wording, but I do try to be fair to ALL, since we ALL live together on this planet.
OMG

Cleveland, OH

#550 Sep 4, 2009
Furtaker wrote:
<quoted text>And I am thankful and extremely blessed that I'm not a turd colored turd laden with e coli and blown by flies eventually drying up and turning white.
That's funny you pales dry up when yu get old, wrinkled and spineless..anyway....so hey...what's the difference...you all can be compared to white dried up turd to begin with!!!
Who needs all the cosmetics and lotions and potions and antidotes for skin CARE AND AGING problems?
NOT US!!!! Those who want to be like you and your kind act like you and your kind..
Those of us who know do not!!!
Grow up and stop behaving stupidly.
If you cannot stand the truth..
GET OFF THE FORUM!!!!

“The Ah-Nizzle”

Level 2

Since: Nov 07

Los Angeles

#551 Sep 4, 2009
There is no Ancient Black nations in America. Maybe only a few Africans sailed to the Americas but their blood got diluted over times or the Africans came and went back, but NO established nations

“so it is”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#552 Sep 4, 2009
sammy wrote:
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK
Very Interesting .....Why things are MYSTERIOUS?
ONE OF THE GREAT UNSOLVED MYSTERIES of the ancient world is the enigma of Stonehenge: not only why it was built, but what happened to the people who built it. Those who constructed this great monument were of the Megalithic culture, named after the megaliths--circles of standing stones, some even bigger than Stonehenge--which they erected in vast numbers all over the British Isles. As the Megalithic people had no form of writing, it is unknown why they created these mysterious structures, but archaeology has revealed that they began building them as early as 3500 BC. It has also been discovered that the Megalithic culture was remarkably peaceful. For two millennia they left no evidence of organized warfare or tribal feuding, and the only weapons they manufactured were suitable merely for hunting. Then, almost overnight, everything changed. Carbon dating has shown that sometime around 1500 BC the Megalithic people abandoned their monuments, built defensive hill forts, and began to manufacture swords and battle axes. DNA tests on the bones unearthed from graves of this period show no evidence of foreign invasion; neither do excavated animal or plant remains hold evidence of climate change to account for the sudden onset of civil strife. For some completely unknown reason, this peaceful 2000-year-old civilization seems to have ended by tearing itself apart.
crushed skulls, broken limbs, and other evidence of battle wounds. Carbon dating, accurate to within around fifty years, places the violent end of this early American culture to between 1520 and 1470 BC--exactly the same period as the Megalithic culture came to a violent end in Britain.
This tell us why DNA is not the END of all END..........
http://store.innertraditions.com/Product.jmdx...
Just Keeping it real for..........ever
The people who built Stonehenge didn't go anywhere, the basic DNA is surprisingly unchanged over millenia, they are still here, it's us.
The premise of the book you linked to is inaccurate, it dismisses climate as a factor in changes and asserts that that there was a'violent overnight end' to the Megalithic era. Both are errouneus conclusions in relation to Britain.
There is no evidence of 'mass aggression' and no 'mysterious demise'. About 5000 years ago the climate cooled considerably and became much wetter, many upland areas in Britain were abandoned as they became untenable for agriculture. This left considerable fossilised remains of habitation, field systems and religious sites. There is evidence that the numerous hillforts whose remains survive were primarily for controlling trade, many were abandoned by the time of the Roman invasion, Stonehenge and numerous other megalithic sites were still in use.
Pere du Champ

Brownsburg, VA

#553 Sep 4, 2009
sammy wrote:
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK
Very Interesting .....Why things are MYSTERIOUS?
ONE OF THE GREAT UNSOLVED MYSTERIES of the ancient world is the enigma of Stonehenge: not only why it was built, but what happened to the people who built it. Those who constructed this great monument were of the Megalithic culture, named after the megaliths--circles of standing stones, some even bigger than Stonehenge--which they erected in vast numbers all over the British Isles. As the Megalithic people had no form of writing, it is unknown why they created these mysterious structures, but archaeology has revealed that they began building them as early as 3500 BC. It has also been discovered that the Megalithic culture was remarkably peaceful. For two millennia they left no evidence of organized warfare or tribal feuding, and the only weapons they manufactured were suitable merely for hunting. Then, almost overnight, everything changed. Carbon dating has shown that sometime around 1500 BC the Megalithic people abandoned their monuments, built defensive hill forts, and began to manufacture swords and battle axes. DNA tests on the bones unearthed from graves of this period show no evidence of foreign invasion; neither do excavated animal or plant remains hold evidence of climate change to account for the sudden onset of civil strife. For some completely unknown reason, this peaceful 2000-year-old civilization seems to have ended by tearing itself apart.... etc.
You just contradicted yourself. You claimed that this was all "simultaneous". The Olmec civilization was millenia after the Megalithic one. It fell apart more like 500 ce.
The changes observed among Megalithic peoples are undoubtedly due to the appearance of Indoeuropeans (Aryans). They were patriarchal and warlike, and a similar appearance of defensive works and weapons is noted whenever and wherever they first appeared.
This patriarchal imperialism was spread not only by Aryans but also Semites. Note the behavior of the Chaldeans...
Sammy, you should read Marija Gimbutas about this. She talks about the destruction of matriarchal culture in Europe under the onslaught of patriarchal Indoeuropeans from the steppes (Kurgan culture mostly).
We do see this occurring in Mexico, not at the same time, but by comparison with the peaceful early Olmecs and Maya we see the later utter imperialist brutality of the Mexica (Aztecs)... it's like a different place altogether.
Egypt had a similar transition, when they began to attack and conquer, especially into SW Asia. Did they learn this from the Hittites (one of the first Indoeuropean empires in the region)? Did the Semites learn it from the Indoeuropeans? One thing we notice is that both Aryans and Semites were pastoralists... which usually causes a tranformation to patriarchy...
Of course if that is true, then we have to wonder why the Nilotic-speaking pastoralists of Africa didn't embark on the same bloody path...
Interesting questions indeed.
sammy

Laurel, MD

#554 Sep 4, 2009
King Ahzi wrote:
There is no Ancient Black nations in America. Maybe only a few Africans sailed to the Americas but their blood got diluted over times or the Africans came and went back, but NO established nations
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK

I can accept it and according to you that you are recognizing the fact that they came before C. Colombus.

Just keeping it real for.........ever
sammy

Laurel, MD

#555 Sep 4, 2009
Dr Frankenheimer wrote:
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The people who built Stonehenge didn't go anywhere, the basic DNA is surprisingly unchanged over millenia, they are still here, it's us.
The premise of the book you linked to is inaccurate, it dismisses climate as a factor in changes and asserts that that there was a'violent overnight end' to the Megalithic era. Both are errouneus conclusions in relation to Britain.
There is no evidence of 'mass aggression' and no 'mysterious demise'. About 5000 years ago the climate cooled considerably and became much wetter, many upland areas in Britain were abandoned as they became untenable for agriculture. This left considerable fossilised remains of habitation, field systems and religious sites. There is evidence that the numerous hillforts whose remains survive were primarily for controlling trade, many were abandoned by the time of the Roman invasion, Stonehenge and numerous other megalithic sites were still in use.
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK

Boss, I hear you but you got to link a site or some fact to what you are saying. I am OPEN mind ....

Just Keeping it real for..........ever

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#556 Sep 4, 2009
sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK
MY sincere APOLOGY from the beginning. You are hitting the NAIL. Boss, you got me.
During the JIM CROWS era, EDUCATION was the way to BRAINWASH the young minds. As the young mind grow, then they pass the same information to the next. It's like the BLIND leading the BLIND.
This is the reason that EDUCATION is not up-to-date with new finding around the globe. This is the reason why most BLACK people on this forum are doing their own research and spreading the truth that is being told in the SCHOOL system.
The reason that I stated that you are on point is one of my collegue is a High School (history/Math) teacher in the National guard.
Yes, EXACTLY!! I've been using the Blind leading the Blind analogy for most of my life to try to help both blacks and whites alike to understand this concept and how wrong it is! Ahhhh, but even Albert Einstien was an outcast and considered a lunatic to the "EDUCATED" scientific community of his day and was shunned and ridiculed for his thoughts also, because it didn't "FIT IN", to their ways of thinking and understanding! But look how they've treated him since he proved them all wrong!?!
As Cannonball pointed out the similar understanding a few posts back also, that not ALL white people fell for the Jim Crow agenda or propoganda of that time. That, to ME at least, marked a separation among the white people in this country! One leg being those who believed his thoughts and teachings, and the other leg of those who knew better. It's been an uphill struggle for those who knew better ever since, since it is more common in HUMAN nature for all of us, to believe the negative things over the positive things about ANY race different from our own.
Even keeping simple Algebra into that thought, negative x positive = what (negative) and so, this actually carries over into a human beings every day thinking no matter WHAT race, without them even being aware of it. But the above example of the Crow division, is a good illustration of that proof.
Much like the old untrue notions that all of us Hillbillies, Especially from this region, are either all Rednecks, racist, ignorant, stupid, animal f*&kers, incest hooligans, rapist, liars, lazy, unteachable hicks, and so on. But many of the smartest people I know come from this region, yet it's never been a tapped and useful pot for society to draw from because of all the untrue negatives that so many people WORLDWIDE, have been taught to be true of these people back here.
Anytime the human mind gets settled in to thinking that Algebra concept towards people, it Always has the same bad affect.
Example:- x +=-,- x - x +=-, then keep adding just one more negative all the time, and there's a point that NO HUMAN, or race, would ever be able to do enough to overcome all the negative thoughts being built up over a period of time. The task would almost certainly become impossible for ANY race to achieve. Someone, MUST, MUST, MUST, be the one to see these trends and begin to help put a stop to it. The snowball affect of time would necessitate another group of people to pitch in and help stop the snowball affect. Who knows, the whites too, will most likely need help one day stopping their OWN snowball of negativity that's ever growing too from another race in this same manner.:-)
And yes back at you also Boss! The respect is mutual! As well as the concept.

Level 5

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#557 Sep 4, 2009
Dr Frankenheimer wrote:
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The people who built Stonehenge didn't go anywhere, the basic DNA is surprisingly unchanged over millenia, they are still here, it's us.
The premise of the book you linked to is inaccurate, it dismisses climate as a factor in changes and asserts that that there was a'violent overnight end' to the Megalithic era. Both are errouneus conclusions in relation to Britain.
There is no evidence of 'mass aggression' and no 'mysterious demise'. About 5000 years ago the climate cooled considerably and became much wetter, many upland areas in Britain were abandoned as they became untenable for agriculture. This left considerable fossilised remains of habitation, field systems and religious sites. There is evidence that the numerous hillforts whose remains survive were primarily for controlling trade, many were abandoned by the time of the Roman invasion, Stonehenge and numerous other megalithic sites were still in use.
I wonder how many people know that megaliths were built in North Africa of similar style presumably by the same culture. The magalithic culture was by no means limited to Britain..

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#558 Sep 4, 2009
Pere du Champ wrote:
But what is taught in the public schools and what is known in academia are 2 different things. You are consistently claiming that ACADEMIA is Eurocentric, which is a lie. The SCHOOLS, on the other hand, ARE engaged in a brainwash of the public... mostly pro-capitalist more than pro-white.
But they protect many people. They present all the various world cultures (it's very multicultural now... whole chapters on African civilizations, China, etc.) but never talk about the bad stuff. They present Islam as if it's a "religion of peace" LOL. They present Charlemagne as a great civilizer (he was a butcher of pagans). They present bloody goddam ROME as the root of Western civilization! They present Columbus as a courageous "explorer". And so on...
But academia is not saying that crap. Anthropology, dealing with the world's peoples, is very objective and it is anthropologists telling the world that we have proof humans came from AFRICA.
Since people like Sammy never went to college, they wouldn't know this. All they know is their dumbass highschool education. Hence his rap.
That's true also! And the reason they protect the Pro-Capitalist association of things, as opposed to the Pro-Updated Acadamia concept, is because as sammy said, they see the need to keep the people divided in order to Protect the ELITE or Wealthy, no matter WHAT race or nation they come from. All those in Power would have no power if ALL of the truths got out to those people they intend to keep divided. As long as they can keep that rousse going, they stay in power and in wealth. It's all a game to them for their own profit. BUT,,,,,,,,,,there are also blacks, mexicans, iranians, etc. who are ALL involved in this continual blinding of America, and their own nations too. Even using their influences from overseas to help add even more fuel to the fires in others countries to help keep this an ongoing ploy for them (the wealthy) to all stay in power and control. Every nation's government, is guilty of it to this day. Look back through history at the footprints of evidence and you'll find it in each and every country and race of people throughtout all of their history. I call this, "Backtracking thru Time."

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#559 Sep 4, 2009
sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK
Thank you..........C/S 1000%
Just Keeping it real for..........ever
No Problem!!! Funny thing tho sammy, my middle son, has friends who are black, and mexican as well, as do I also. But he (My own middle son), is convinced that I am a racist because of the same negative things his mother has taught him of me after she left me years ago and realized how badly she screwed up. She's put so much negative (as I used in that previous example and post) in his head, he's convinced that I'm a racist, when YOU and many others on here can clearly see that I'm not. See how that example carries over into ANY races everyday thinking?
OMG

Cleveland, OH

#560 Sep 4, 2009
King Ahzi wrote:
There is no Ancient Black nations in America. Maybe only a few Africans sailed to the Americas but their blood got diluted over times or the Africans came and went back, but NO established nations
See that is where you all are wrong...
Just because you make yourselves believe what you want to believe does not make it so...
The evidence speaks other wise. No where on this forum has anyone given proof to what you and your kind are saying. No one can show proof as to what is being presented is false or lies.
There is no documentation or scientific evidence that states OTHERWISE!!!!
DARK SKINNED NATIONS WERE ON EVERY SINGLE CONTINENT OF THIS PLANET!!!!
Yet, you think because you say it isn't (in your minds only) that it cannot be possible.
I am sure your founding fathers knew better and to cover it up they would do anything...and I do mean anything to keep that information from you and your kind...
Now the only thing I can tell you is...DO THE RESEARCH..STOP BEING AFRAID OF WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND.
After all who would have believed 50 years ago that OBAMA would be president?
How many of your kind would have said...
THAT CANNOT BE TRUE?????
You all have no power here or anywhere else for that matter..
Without brute force..there is nothing you can do to change the fate of mankind..
AIN'T IT COOL?????

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#561 Sep 4, 2009
Pere du Champ wrote:
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You colossal fool... you invoke white supremacy to prove that anything you say must be accepted, because the entire academic system is racist against you... and trying to hide all this "truth" that y'all made up but have no evidence for...
You have FAILED utterly to prove that Africans were in America. What you are failing to see is that your idiotic assertions that Africans were responsible for everything from Olmec civilization to the mounds is RACIST AGAINST NATIVE AMERICANS!!! You are stealing THEIR culture!
My resistance to your idiotic culture-thieving notions has nothing to do with white supremacist, as I am neither white nor supremacist. I AM very strongly anti-racist, and so I must oppose you.
NATIVE AMERICANS created those civilizations, not Africans. You are pissing in the wind.
I personally don't think they're trying to invoke White Supremacy to PUSH what they say "MUST" be accepted, just to at least give credit to the realistic possibility! Which Is in truth, highly possible, not just from THEIR perspective, but from many others as well! I think it more of a legitimate reason for ALL, to at least be Open Minded to the evidence that is still being discovered which DOES make one wonder and ask, "Hhhmmmmm!, So what ELSE are they not fully telling us?"

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#562 Sep 4, 2009
Hectic wrote:
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Not that your question isn't worthy of further investigation, it is and I would be happy to contribute my humble opinion to it should u ever create the thread inside this forum.
(Can't believe I'm encouraging whites to create threads in the Afr.- Amer forum.:)
LOLLLLLL!! That's funny!!!!
Yeah, most AA's on here don't see that ANY of us white people are NOT racist as some of you in this thread, and at least one other do see!
There's one on here already where that topic is being discussed and I'm already engaged in that forum. It's the thread: Commentary, Slavery Needs more than an apology.
Some interesting stuff being discussed, but yes, there are still some bigots on there too (Both black AND white) as on here. But thanks for the mutual respect, and right back at ya!

“so it is”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#563 Sep 4, 2009
sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
Just Keeping it real is..........B(L)ACK
Boss, I hear you but you got to link a site or some fact to what you are saying. I am OPEN mind ....
Just Keeping it real for..........ever
No problem.

DNA:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppe...

Can't find specific links but with climate change and hillforts I was referring to findings in the Peak District, Derbyshire (my home area), from the following books:

Henges, Stone Circles and Ringcairns of the Peak District by John Barnatt.

Prehistoric Settlement and Agriculture on the Eastern Moors of the Peak District, by Anne-Marie Heath.

Largest fort in Derbyshire:
Mam Tor Hillfort:
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/mamtor....

By the time of the Roman invasion Mam Tor was probably uninhabited, but was most likely originally built to control trade along the Hope Valley in a mineral rich area.

It's been speculated that a smaller hillfort further up the valley was built as a last stand defence against Roman invasion but no definite dates have been put to it.

http://www.brigantesnation.com/SiteResearch/I...

“so it is”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#564 Sep 4, 2009
Garrig wrote:
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I wonder how many people know that megaliths were built in North Africa of similar style presumably by the same culture. The magalithic culture was by no means limited to Britain..
They were all over the place, and were often very similar.

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#565 Sep 4, 2009
Pere du Champ wrote:
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There is NO evidence of "Mongoloids" as you call them entering America at that time! They were, in fact, here much earlier. The last to enter were the Inuit-Aleut and the Athapaskans (Dineh), and that was LONG before the current millenium.
"...like the Hebrew; in signification full"... that does NOT mean that the language was related to Hebrew. I could say that Magyar is "like" Navajo in the complexity of its verbs or whatever, that doesn't mean they're related.
That is a good and valid point!!! There is the possibility there that it may indeed have been the Navajo language he was hearing them speak. Hell, even during WWII, the Germans couldn't break the codes the US Military was using, and IT in fact, was Navajo. Study on the Wind Talkers for further on that.
So there is validity in the sense that to a 15th century explorer to venture across an entire ocean and to encounter a (to him at least) "NEW" race of people here, ANY language they spoke would have sounded as foreign to him as Hebrew would have.
Hectic

Brooklyn, NY

#566 Sep 4, 2009
King Ahzi wrote:
There is no Ancient Black nations in America. Maybe only a few Africans sailed to the Americas but their blood got diluted over times or the Africans came and went back, but NO established nations
Besides the arrogance of some trolls on this site I think another problem is the belief that whatever foreign shores a culture lands on the first thought is to dominate any indigenous life found on those shores. That you must colonize to leave your mark.
French trappers came to North America before the British, so why aren't we all speaking French instead of a bastardized form of English. Because the French came to these shores not as colonizers, but as traders and merchants. The majority of them didn't come to escape religious and ethnic persecution (except the Hugenots) or to build farms and colonize.
The French were also trapped by the British on one side and hostile Native Amer on the other.
There was also a war in which the British captured and held many former French holdings in North America.
The same can be said for the Africans who came to the Americas.
They came here to trade, not colonize and loot gold like the Spanish and Portuguese. Many of these African explorers were captured and taken as prisoners of war in what is now Panama Canal Zone but was the Isthmus of Darien.
Balboa reported having seen these prisoners when he went to loot them in 1513.
Alphonse de Quatrefages, professor of anthropology at the Natural History Museum in Paris said in his study, The Human Species, that black populations were found in small numbers and as isolated tribes in the midst of diff. nations such as the Charruas of Brazil, the black Caribees of Saint Vincent in the Gulf of Mexico, and the Jamassi of Florida.
And yes they did mix and intermingle with the indigenous people.
It's funny how many trolls in this thread attempt to bring the DNA into question. Yet many of these same people cannot conceive that their hero Thomas Jefferson fathered children with his black slave even though their own SCIENCE, DNA has proven it.
Just how reliable is DNA testing?
I guess it depends on who is doing the study and what their motivations are.
OMG

Cleveland, OH

#567 Sep 4, 2009
Pere du Champ wrote:
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The DNA testing has been done! As well as a lot of archaeology. What is found is that ALL Native Americans came across Beringia...
http://pointingbird.tripod.com/lostfeatherint...

You still do not have any references, books, scholars or mere mention of anything that can dispute the facts that have been published for centuries...why is that?
Why would the founding fathers speak or write of Moors if they only existed in Africa...Are they saying they brought them here as slaves.
If so why didn't they document that?
Why would all of the so-called founding fathers meet with Moorish Leaders across the Atlantic?
Why would they need their permission to settle on this land?
Why would they compare the people over here to the Moors over there having never been introduced to Moors here?
What is it you all are hiding and denying?
Did you all actually believe the truth would stay hidden forever???
Where is your proof of Moors NEVER EVER BEING HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Since: Aug 09

Chesterfield, MO

#568 Sep 4, 2009
Pere du Champ wrote:
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You just contradicted yourself. You claimed that this was all "simultaneous". The Olmec civilization was millenia after the Megalithic one. It fell apart more like 500 ce.
The changes observed among Megalithic peoples are undoubtedly due to the appearance of Indoeuropeans (Aryans). They were patriarchal and warlike, and a similar appearance of defensive works and weapons is noted whenever and wherever they first appeared.
This patriarchal imperialism was spread not only by Aryans but also Semites. Note the behavior of the Chaldeans...
Sammy, you should read Marija Gimbutas about this. She talks about the destruction of matriarchal culture in Europe under the onslaught of patriarchal Indoeuropeans from the steppes (Kurgan culture mostly).
We do see this occurring in Mexico, not at the same time, but by comparison with the peaceful early Olmecs and Maya we see the later utter imperialist brutality of the Mexica (Aztecs)... it's like a different place altogether.
Egypt had a similar transition, when they began to attack and conquer, especially into SW Asia. Did they learn this from the Hittites (one of the first Indoeuropean empires in the region)? Did the Semites learn it from the Indoeuropeans? One thing we notice is that both Aryans and Semites were pastoralists... which usually causes a tranformation to patriarchy...
Of course if that is true, then we have to wonder why the Nilotic-speaking pastoralists of Africa didn't embark on the same bloody path...
Interesting questions indeed.
Those are also good points, just as are Dr. Frankenheimer's. I haven't read specifically the books you two have given as referrences, but I have read OTHER books that do corroborate those facts that you've both brought up.
It does sammy, make for some further interesting study as well. So the combination of their study, and your points and facts also all put into conjunction with one another, would be somewhat enlightening for us ALL. Which is the foundation needed for many such forums as this, where Civilized discussion and debate can be most beneficial to us all. But we must ALL, both white AND black alike, be open minded to all the facts and proofs provided by all, in a coming together of the minds for the Human race to benefit from the facts and findings of each of us for that compilation. NOT always at verbal WAR with each other over who insists on being right. We must ALL begin from scratch with the attitude and assumption, that we are ALL wrong, and use everyones facts, findings and referrences and PROVEN histories, to work in unison together on this and many other topics.

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