Italians are NOT White!!!!
UruEuWauWau

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#4006 Jun 13, 2013
McAlister73 wrote:
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Like this.
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Are ya serious?! ;-D That British pinkness is white for yo' delusional Yank azz, aye?! ;-) Nah that ain't white for sure, & even if it were, Imma show ya Xact Asian copies in red & white. ;-D

- so, this is what ya consider white, obviously ;-)
h.ttp://youtu.be/WnloV_EnsVU

- & even this is what ya consider white, based on what ya showed
h.ttp://is.gd/olwuFm

Duuuym, them a whiter than most of so-called Yank Whites, like Bush family, Clintons, etc. ;-D

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#4007 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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That article was misleading writen by a "journalist" has not even read the study, is misrepresenting the study's findings and who obviously can't even find Italy on a map. I mean, when have Italy and Greece all of the sudden become SOUTHWESTERN Europe?
Heh...Can't disagree with this. But I think Italy is neither Southwestern(Iberia) or Southeastern(Balksns)
Jeff wrote:
Has there been a huge climatic event where the earth shifted landscapes? Here is a map of the European countries where Southwestern Europeans are found - they do not include Greece nor Italy - maybe the 'journalist' should take a course in geography before she starts talking about the geographical locations of countries and their people:
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Again can't disagree with this.
Jeff wrote:
I posted word for word what the actual scientists state about their findings. Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante is one of the scientists who lead the study, he is clear on his comments that South Central regions like Italy and Southeast European countries like Greece had little to no North African admixture because Moors never were in those regions:
"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow, but there was little in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante
The 20% that article is talking about is the North African admixture found in certain populations in Southern Iberia since that is the regions that Moors mostly were found. Most European countries, including Greece and most of Italy did not have Moorish presence hence why Bustamante and colleagues weren't able to depicted much if any North African admixture in populations from Italy or Greece.
I just want to point somethings out:
1. The article did state the Roman occupation of Northern Africa.
2. Also the Greeks do carry the most African genes out of all Southern Europeans.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2vser92.jpg

They also have Benin HBS as proof.
http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C08/C08Links/w...

And which part of North Africa are you talking when you mention Greek? Northwest or Northeast? Because Northeast Africans(mainly Egyptians) had close connections with Ancient Greece.
UruEuWauWau

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#4008 Jun 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
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Read this post...
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And nobody said they were NOT 'white'. African Americans have 10-30% of European genes yet they still retain a typical African phenotype and are still considered 'black'.
In the article it was said that Southern Europeans have from 4-20% North African genes.
C'mon, Mik, we've been through all this shyat. ;-D 1st of all, not so long ago many Yank IViggers believed they were like 'N.Americans', just to escape the possibility to be overwhelmingly of partly European ancestry w/ various degress of admixtures. ;-)
However, recent DNA studies & advanced profilin' of ole Yankland's population showed that hardly 3% of Yank IViggers/Blacks/AAs/Black Creoles have any detectable degree of N.American admixture. ;-) In other words 97% of all Yank IViggers/Blacks/AAs/Black Creoles are possibly of European ancestry. But, not even 60% really have any worth mentionin' European admixture. ;-) It was the case of Appalachian melungeons as well, who despite their myths & legends 'bout N.American ancestry, came out to be mostly light-skinned generational mulattoes, & many passed for Yank Whites. ;-D Now ya show me what Xact S.European nation & region that article was referrin' to, & we can easily check if it's true or false. ;-)

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#4009 Jun 13, 2013
So Frank Sinatrais black?You fking inbred bastard kneegroids!

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#4010 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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That article doesn't know what its talking about and it was written by someone who obviously can't even find most Southern European countries on a map. The "20%" that article is talking about is the North African admixture found in certain populations in Southern Iberia since that is the regions that Moors mostly were found. Most European countries, including Greece and most of Italy did not have Moorish presence hence why Bustamante and colleagues weren't able to depicted much if any North African admixture in populations from Italy or Greece. In general Southern European countries as a whole have less then 3% African admixture.
I love the fact this study you are talking about actually has shown Italians to have as little to no African admixture as most other Europeans. lol!
"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow, but there was little in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante
Not denying it you are correct. But my main point was, North African influences. Because the article stated past studies focused much more on Sub Saharan gene flow into Southern Europe and not North African gene flow. That was just my point.

But you corrected me.

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#4011 Jun 13, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
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C'mon, Mik, we've been through all this shyat. ;-D 1st of all, not so long ago many Yank IViggers believed they were like 'N.Americans', just to escape the possibility to be overwhelmingly of partly European ancestry w/ various degress of admixtures. ;-)
However, recent DNA studies & advanced profilin' of ole Yankland's population showed that hardly 3% of Yank IViggers/Blacks/AAs/Black Creoles have any detectable degree of N.American admixture. ;-) In other words 97% of all Yank IViggers/Blacks/AAs/Black Creoles are possibly of European ancestry. But, not even 60% really have any worth mentionin' European admixture. ;-) It was the case of Appalachian melungeons as well, who despite their myths & legends 'bout N.American ancestry, came out to be mostly light-skinned generational mulattoes, & many passed for Yank Whites. ;-D Now ya show me what Xact S.European nation & region that article was referrin' to, & we can easily check if it's true or false. ;-)
Who's talking about Native Americans. Its obvious that AA's have very little of it. My point was genes effect phenotypes very little.

Don Cheadle has about 20% European genes yet he is still very darks skinned with '/Veg--*d' features.

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#4012 Jun 13, 2013
iPaul wrote:
Italians are white,ask any italian and you'll get the same answer.If italians liked african people so much they would've killed those kneegros in Italy and burnt them last year.Also,most of you morons claiming italians are not white are probably ignorant kneegroids that never finished high school.
Why would people of African descent gain by claiming Italians?
UruEuWauWau

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#4013 Jun 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
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Heh...Can't disagree with this. But I think Italy is neither Southwestern(Iberia) or Southeastern(Balksns)
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Again can't disagree with this.
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I just want to point somethings out:
1. The article did state the Roman occupation of Northern Africa.
2. Also the Greeks do carry the most African genes out of all Southern Europeans.
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They also have Benin HBS as proof.
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And which part of North Africa are you talking when you mention Greek? Northwest or Northeast? Because Northeast Africans(mainly Egyptians) had close connections with Ancient Greece.
1st of all, do ya realize that most of these Anglo articles are a pure biased Yank-UK crap fuelin' various liberal agendas & policies?! ;-) BS studies included. ;-P Now, havin' said that, onwards w/ this ole story. ;-D Greeks, are not S.Europeans, but SE.Europeans. ;-) & it's absolutely not true that Greeks of all Europeans have the most 'N.African' admixture, it's them Kosovars in Serbia, & NE.Montenegrins. ;-D What is 'NE.African'?! It's mixed Eurasian & Afroasiatic by genetics & Afroasiatic by language alone. ;-) & above all, N.Africa imported a lot of SSA slaves over millennia, no doubt 'bout it. ;-) In Morocco, for Xample, there's a small town full of freed SSA slaves that Maures/Moors captured in southern Mauritania, Mali & Senegambia. ;-P
UruEuWauWau

Brazil

#4014 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Yes she is white, I've seen her features in many Europeans including many Northern Europeans.
You obviously do not know what Filipinas look like because Italians most certainly do not look like East Asian.
Yo, Jeff, she ain't even Italian, she's a Balkan babe, a SE.European naturalized Italian, just so ya know. ;-) & if I'm not wrong, Philippines are still SE.Asia, not E.Asia. ;-D

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#4015 Jun 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
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Why would people of African descent gain by claiming Italians?
They would somwhow feel that they actually accomplished something and contributed to this world with something except aids,other dieseases and crimes.Also,africans have never buolt anything except mud huts.
Jeff

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#4016 Jun 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
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Heh...Can't disagree with this. But I think Italy is neither Southwestern(Iberia) or Southeastern(Balksns)
No Italy is neither Southwestern Iberia nor is it Southeast Balkan. Its South-Central European, as Bustamante stated in his comments: "showed clear evidence of North African gene flow, but there was little in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey."
big mike M wrote:
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I just want to point somethings out:
1. The article did state the Roman occupation of Northern Africa.
2. Also the Greeks do carry the most African genes out of all Southern Europeans.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2vser92.jpg
They also have Benin HBS as proof.
http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C08/C08Links/w...
And which part of North Africa are you talking when you mention Greek? Northwest or Northeast? Because Northeast Africans(mainly Egyptians) had close connections with Ancient Greece.
Incorrect, Greeks don't carry a high % of Benin HBS and neither is this an indiciation of African admixture. Sickle doesn't trace origins of ancestry. Its an adaptive autosomal marker and useless in tracing genetic origins given they show more eviromental then genetic origins.

Greeks do not carry the 'most' African genes of all Southern Europeans. If they did then the study that you provided would have shown them to carry MORE African genes then Southwest Europeans do and the genetic scientists of the study you provided clearly showed that they do not, in fact they showed to carry little to NO African genes.

"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow, but there was little in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante

I'm talking about ALL of North Africa, as the study you provided clearly is talking about ALL of North Africa. Northeast African (mainly Egyptians) do not have a close connection with ancient Greece. I don't know why people falsely believe this when credible scientific studies have shown Greeks have little to no African admixture. In fact the Bustamante study that you just provided showed Greeks to carry more Near Eastern admixture from Anatolia then North African admixture from Egypt or anywhere else in North Africa, and the Bustamante study are confirmed by another recent study that has also debunked even the suppose 'Egyptian' connection with ancient Greece because ancient Greeks did not carry the same haplotypes nor haplogroups as North Africans but they did carry the same haplogroups and haplotypes found in modern Greeks and Europeans:

"The ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis.
The ancient Cretan DNA was most similar to populations from Europe. They also resembled people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists."

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#4017 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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No Italy is neither Southwestern Iberia nor is it Southeast Balkan. Its South-Central European, as Bustamante stated in his comments: "showed clear evidence of North African gene flow, but there was little in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey."
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Incorrect, Greeks don't carry a high % of Benin HBS and neither is this an indiciation of African admixture. Sickle doesn't trace origins of ancestry. Its an adaptive autosomal marker and useless in tracing genetic origins given they show more eviromental then genetic origins.
Greeks do not carry the 'most' African genes of all Southern Europeans. If they did then the study that you provided would have shown them to carry MORE African genes then Southwest Europeans do and the genetic scientists of the study you provided clearly showed that they do not, in fact they showed to carry little to NO African genes.
"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow, but there was little in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante
I'm talking about ALL of North Africa, as the study you provided clearly is talking about ALL of North Africa. Northeast African (mainly Egyptians) do not have a close connection with ancient Greece. I don't know why people falsely believe this when credible scientific studies have shown Greeks have little to no African admixture. In fact the Bustamante study that you just provided showed Greeks to carry more Near Eastern admixture from Anatolia then North African admixture from Egypt or anywhere else in North Africa, and the Bustamante study are confirmed by another recent study that has also debunked even the suppose 'Egyptian' connection with ancient Greece because ancient Greeks did not carry the same haplotypes nor haplogroups as North Africans but they did carry the same haplogroups and haplotypes found in modern Greeks and Europeans:
"The ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis.
The ancient Cretan DNA was most similar to populations from Europe. They also resembled people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists."
Okay cool. Thanks for clearing that up.

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#4018 Jun 13, 2013
iPaul wrote:
<quoted text>They would somwhow feel that they actually accomplished something and contributed to this world with something except aids,other dieseases and crimes.Also,africans have never buolt anything except mud huts.
Proof? Most people of African descent DO NOT claim Italians.

As for mud-huts you should see this thread here.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T26VC15ASSPKP...

Again Africans have an history of their OWN. West African alone has a rich history.

Also the op isn't even black/AA, but most likely a troll. He was exposed on this thread.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TO2089GFMA94M...

And I hope you know African gold contributed to the European renaissance. I can go on and on.
Jeff

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#4019 Jun 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
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Proof? Most people of African descent DO NOT claim Italians.
As for mud-huts you should see this thread here.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T26VC15ASSPKP...
Again Africans have an history of their OWN. West African alone has a rich history.
Also the op isn't even black/AA, but most likely a troll. He was exposed on this thread.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TO2089GFMA94M...
And I hope you know African gold contributed to the European renaissance. I can go on and on.
Its really sad that people don't know about the great African civilizations, people and cultures. West Africa alone was ten times richer at one point then any other, contributing to the West growth and development. I'm not going to even search the internet for the thousands upon thousands of Africa's great civilizations sites cause you've done a much better job of that in the link below then I could ever do, Mike.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T26VC15ASSPKP...

Thanks again for starting threads like those, btw.:-)
Jeff

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#4020 Jun 13, 2013
Africa is a breath taking Continent with LARGE Diverse cultures, beautiful people and amazing civilizations that span thousands of years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#4021 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Its really sad that people don't know about the great African civilizations, people and cultures. West Africa alone was ten times richer at one point then any other, contributing to the West growth and development. I'm not going to even search the internet for the thousands upon thousands of Africa's great civilizations sites cause you've done a much better job of that in the link below then I could ever do, Mike.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T26VC15ASSPKP...
Thanks again for starting threads like those, btw.:-)
Thanks Jeff.:)

I still haven't finished up the thread, because I've been busy.

I'm actually more into West African civilizations. We know so little of it do to lack of archaeological work. Ancient Egypt really doesn't interest me like that anymore. Its no longer a mystery, because we know so much of it. I only talk about Ancient Egypt when I'm debating to put it in its rightful spot, which is Africa and by African people. But other then that Ancient Egypt doesn't really interest besides the deities or ancient symbols like the Eye of RA.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Like I said again, more archaeological work needs to be done for West Africa or any parts of Africa(minus Egypt).

I would also like some more archaeological Tamil civilizations.

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#4022 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
Africa is a breath taking Continent with LARGE Diverse cultures, beautiful people and amazing civilizations that span thousands of years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gwMm8oxQ0NwXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Awesome videos Jeff.

Also that the thing...DIVERSE CULTURES. People ignorantly look at Africans as having one monolithic culture. When in fact African many cultures were/are very different and diverse.

You have African cultures that were a part of the great Kanem Empire which was mainly Muslim, then you had African cultures like the Dogon people. African culture is too diverse to say all Africans lived in mud huts(not saying its a bad thing) or practiced scarification...

A person from the Swahili coast would look at the culture by Khoisan people as 'taboo'.
asd

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#4023 Jun 13, 2013
Funny how hispanics/latinos aren't white but Italians are.

The Romans were not white and the Ancient Egyptians were not black; they were olive skinned like most mediterainean peoples.

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#4024 Jun 13, 2013
asd wrote:
Funny how hispanics/latinos aren't white but Italians are.
The Romans were not white and the Ancient Egyptians were not black; they were olive skinned like most mediterainean peoples.
The real "hispanic/latinos" are european and white.

Jeff

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#4025 Jun 13, 2013
asd wrote:
Funny how hispanics/latinos aren't white but Italians are.
The Romans were not white and the Ancient Egyptians were not black; they were olive skinned like most mediterainean peoples.
Hispanic/Latinos is not a race, there are many Hispanic and Latinos who are white, others who are black, others who are mixed, ect. The same can be said about Americans. Romans were white, they were Europeans. Olive skin doesn't mean anything, many Northern and Eastern Europeans are olive skinned too as are many Asians. Ancient Egyptians were Africans.

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