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“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1 Sep 9, 2012
Perhaps this is a mistaken impression. But it seems that in the past we had a good number of intellectuals from the lower depths of Black society. There wss Richard Wright from the impoverished rural black South. James Baldwin, Malcolm X, George Jackson, Marshal Eddy Conway and others from the ghettoes of the North. Literate, critical thinkers, and creative writers and artists of various kinds.

And many of them attained national and international distinction for their creative work, and as voices of an evloved and insurgent social conscience.

But is that true TODAY? Does the younger post 1960s generation have its equivalents of Richard Wright, James Baldwin? Do we have intellectually powerful spokespersons like Malcolm, Fannie Lou or Bobby Seale?

Have we poets like Langston Hughes or Haki Madhubuti (aka Don L. Lee)?

I'm not thinking now of great black intellectuals from more privleged circumstance like W.E.B. Du Bois, Paul Robeson, Angela Y. Davis or Dr. Martin Luther King. While I admire them, I wonder about the creative juices flowing in "da hood."

Even while growing up in East Baltimore during the 1970s and early 89s, I know a few aspiring writers in the Latrobe and Lafayette projects, some who were students of Dunbar High.

And I'm not sure what has happened many of them. Or rather I do know, but it was not a happy ending?

What is happening to the creative minds of brothers and sisters from the hood?
The Honest Truth

Louisville, KY

#2 Sep 9, 2012
Savant wrote:
Perhaps this is a mistaken impression. But it seems that in the past we had a good number of intellectuals from the lower depths of Black society. There wss Richard Wright from the impoverished rural black South. James Baldwin, Malcolm X, George Jackson, Marshal Eddy Conway and others from the ghettoes of the North. Literate, critical thinkers, and creative writers and artists of various kinds.
And many of them attained national and international distinction for their creative work, and as voices of an evloved and insurgent social conscience.
But is that true TODAY? Does the younger post 1960s generation have its equivalents of Richard Wright, James Baldwin? Do we have intellectually powerful spokespersons like Malcolm, Fannie Lou or Bobby Seale?
Have we poets like Langston Hughes or Haki Madhubuti (aka Don L. Lee)?
I'm not thinking now of great black intellectuals from more privleged circumstance like W.E.B. Du Bois, Paul Robeson, Angela Y. Davis or Dr. Martin Luther King. While I admire them, I wonder about the creative juices flowing in "da hood."
Even while growing up in East Baltimore during the 1970s and early 89s, I know a few aspiring writers in the Latrobe and Lafayette projects, some who were students of Dunbar High.
And I'm not sure what has happened many of them. Or rather I do know, but it was not a happy ending?
What is happening to the creative minds of brothers and sisters from the hood?
I've heard the average IQ of AA's is 75. Can't be very creative with THAT.
Truth

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Sep 9, 2012
Malorie Blackman

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#4 Sep 9, 2012
Radical Black Intellectuuals, here and Abroad

A biographer of Frantz Fanon--possible David Caute or Peter Geismar--noted that in European colonies you often had revolutionary intellectuals from the Black bourgeoisie (e.g. Frantz Fanon), in the USA one commonly had self-educated revolutionary Black intellectuals from the lower depths--e.g. Malcolm X.

But is that true now?

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#5 Sep 9, 2012
Truth wrote:
Malorie Blackman
What can you tell us about this person?

Level 3

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#7 Sep 9, 2012
Savant wrote:
Perhaps this is a mistaken impression. But it seems that in the past we had a good number of intellectuals from the lower depths of Black society. There wss Richard Wright from the impoverished rural black South. James Baldwin, Malcolm X, George Jackson, Marshal Eddy Conway and others from the ghettoes of the North. Literate, critical thinkers, and creative writers and artists of various kinds.
And many of them attained national and international distinction for their creative work, and as voices of an evloved and insurgent social conscience.
But is that true TODAY? Does the younger post 1960s generation have its equivalents of Richard Wright, James Baldwin? Do we have intellectually powerful spokespersons like Malcolm, Fannie Lou or Bobby Seale?
Have we poets like Langston Hughes or Haki Madhubuti (aka Don L. Lee)?
I'm not thinking now of great black intellectuals from more privleged circumstance like W.E.B. Du Bois, Paul Robeson, Angela Y. Davis or Dr. Martin Luther King. While I admire them, I wonder about the creative juices flowing in "da hood."
Even while growing up in East Baltimore during the 1970s and early 89s, I know a few aspiring writers in the Latrobe and Lafayette projects, some who were students of Dunbar High.
And I'm not sure what has happened many of them. Or rather I do know, but it was not a happy ending?
What is happening to the creative minds of brothers and sisters from the hood?
White boy.

You really need to stop trolling as a Black man. No matter how hard you trolls try to imitate an African American, your WASPiness shines through.

It takes Black to recognize Black. Or in this case...to recognize what is NOT Black.

But you're funny though.
Venturestar2154

New York, NY

#8 Sep 9, 2012
Pink Salmon wrote:
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White boy.
You really need to stop trolling as a Black man. No matter how hard you trolls try to imitate an African American, your WASPiness shines through.
It takes Black to recognize Black. Or in this case...to recognize what is NOT Black.
But you're funny though.
shut your hole white boy

Level 3

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#9 Sep 9, 2012
Venturestar2154 wrote:
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shut your hole white boy
Be honest. How many Topix accounts do you now have. 40? 50?

Level 8

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#10 Sep 9, 2012
AYO!

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#11 Sep 9, 2012
Savant wrote:
Perhaps this is a mistaken impression. But it seems that in the past we had a good number of intellectuals from the lower depths of Black society. There wss Richard Wright from the impoverished rural black South. James Baldwin, Malcolm X, George Jackson, Marshal Eddy Conway and others from the ghettoes of the North. Literate, critical thinkers, and creative writers and artists of various kinds.
And many of them attained national and international distinction for their creative work, and as voices of an evloved and insurgent social conscience.
But is that true TODAY? Does the younger post 1960s generation have its equivalents of Richard Wright, James Baldwin? Do we have intellectually powerful spokespersons like Malcolm, Fannie Lou or Bobby Seale?
Have we poets like Langston Hughes or Haki Madhubuti (aka Don L. Lee)?
I'm not thinking now of great black intellectuals from more privleged circumstance like W.E.B. Du Bois, Paul Robeson, Angela Y. Davis or Dr. Martin Luther King. While I admire them, I wonder about the creative juices flowing in "da hood."
Even while growing up in East Baltimore during the 1970s and early 89s, I know a few aspiring writers in the Latrobe and Lafayette projects, some who were students of Dunbar High.
And I'm not sure what has happened many of them. Or rather I do know, but it was not a happy ending?
What is happening to the creative minds of brothers and sisters from the hood?
I believe we still have 'em but it seems the only time AA intellectuals are really heard is when they are speakin' on racial issues which is fine but their voices need to be heard when they're speakin' on other topics as well.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#12 Sep 10, 2012
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe we still have 'em but it seems the only time AA intellectuals are really heard is when they are speakin' on racial issues which is fine but their voices need to be heard when they're speakin' on other topics as well.
Malcolm X--an organic intellectual from the hood--also noticed that. Noticed that Blacks (intellectual or not) aren't deemed competent to discuss anything but race. Or at least their thoughts on other matters--the economy, literature, current wars, the environment. gender relations, etc--are considered within the domain considered legitimate for Blacks.
But back to the question of intellectuals from the hood, those Black intellectuals who do get recognized are mainly those from the upper class or middle class, and possessed of academic degrees.
Of course, come Black intellectuals possessed of academic degrees may have come from the lower depths. But it is only because of our bourgeois education that we can claim any right to be heard.
A contemporary Black intellectual who is parallel to James Baldwin would probably not be recognized today.
Buty do we still have intellectuals from the lower depths like James Baldwin or Richard Wright?

Perhaps they exist but are being ignored or silenced.

“Thy rod and thy staff ”

Level 6

Since: Aug 11

they comfort me

#13 Sep 10, 2012
The Street Gods are still here

While studying under the Nation of Islam,Allah(Clarence 13X Smith)found conflict in the fact of believing in a Mystery God; when the lesson's that he was studying were telling him that he was The maker, The owner, The cream of the planet earth, Father of civilization God of the universe. Allah left the temple in 1963. He then begins a campaign to teach the masses of black youth in the streets of Harlem,that there is no Mystery God.

In the 5% knowledge degree 1-40 it states:

who is that mystery God?

"there is no mystery God,the son of man has searched for this mystery God for trillion years and havent been able to find this so-called God so we've agreed that the only God that exists is the son of man so he lost no more time searching for that which does not exist."

In 1968, Allah(Clarence 13X) started giving indications to his Five Percenters that he would be departing. He would tell them things like, "After this year there won't be any Five Percenters anymore. You will be the Nation of Gods and Earths, not the Nation of Islam... If I die I don't want you standing over me crying because if I could I'd reach up and slap you." Or he would say to a friend while gesturing to one of his Five Percenters, "If I die tomorrow and he keeps teaching, how can I be dead?"

He told them that he had to leave them because "the only way to attract the killer is to give blood" and that if they ever needed him all they had to do was come together. He was murdured shortly after.

“Thy rod and thy staff ”

Level 6

Since: Aug 11

they comfort me

#14 Sep 10, 2012
You can still hear the influince of the Nation of Gods in rap/hip hop from Rakim,Krs-1,Eryka Badu and many others

http://m.youtube.com/watch...

Peace God for real, not a spook nor a ghost
Not unseen but seen and heard most of all I'm God
control nine planets
Wisdom revolves around me understand it
Science, huh my rhyme's underrated
Pyramids built accordin to how we made it to be
Many shall come few shall be chosen
32 degrees below zero and you're frozen.-Gravediggaz/RZA
Washington Heights

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Sep 10, 2012
The average human breathes 3 cubit feet per hour.How many atoms do you breath in 40 yrs when one-hundredth of a cubic inch contains 2 hundred million atoms?(From the problem math book)

The Gods teach the same sciences of our kemeticLafricanLmooorish ancestors

"There is no equal to my teachings except the name of Egypt"_Honorable Elijah Muhammad

As all the ancient mystery schools taught God is man,and man is God."As above,so below".

The Nation of Gods and Earths memorize and learn 120 degrees as was handed down by Allah(Clarence 13X).Some of these degrees are not word for word identical to the degrees given out in the NOI. One of the big differences between the lessons of the Gods and the ones used by the NOI is that 5% degrees have 11 Actual Facts and 9 Solar Facts. Most of the NOI degrees have 19 or 20 Actual Facts only. The entire curriculum entails Supreme Mathematics, Supreme Alphabet and 120 and they not refer to their degrees as "The Supreme Wisdom," because although part of those degrees became what we now call 120, they are not entirely the same as is the case with the "Yacub story".

The "Supreme Wisdom" of the NOI is a group of degrees given out to individuals who are members of the Nation of Islam. Some folks in the NOI refer to their degrees as 120 yet 120 is a term drawn up by the Gods which refers directly to their lessons, degree by degree as they were given by Allah(Clarence 13X). Not all lesson sets from the NOI add up to 120 degrees as there are lessons sets from the old days which only add up to 119.
Washington Heights

Saint Louis, MO

#17 Sep 10, 2012
Knowledge cypher degree 1-14

"Why hasn't the devil settled on the best part on planet Earth?

Answer:Because the Earth belongs to the Original man knowing the devil is weak and wicked and there is no peace among them so we put him on the worst part and kept the best part for our selves".

As you can see these white trolls try to disrupt our forums so that we can't be amongst ourselves in peace.

Allah(Clarence 13X)put the lessons inn a way the street Gods would gravitate towards.Just like they say Jesus hung with thugs,prostitutes and tax collectors.

"The duty of every 5% is to teach every uncivilized mancivilization and knowledge of himself.Jesus was a 5%,Buddah was a 5%",Martin luther king jr was a 5%"-the RZA from Wu-tang
Washington Heights

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Sep 10, 2012
If the average person eats four ounces of bread, ten and one-fifth ounces of poison animal(meat is poison) three and one-third ounces or rice,four and one-eighth ounces of other meal helpers. It is known to the Medical Profession and other wise men that poison animal hurts the mental power; of one-sixtieth of an ounce per every ten ounces of poison animal.If the average person contains seven and one-half ounces of brain,then how long will it take to hurt the seven and one-half ounces at the above eating rates? If the average person can be robbed successfully of one-third of their brain power at the above rate, over a 20 year span. Then how long will an animal eater have to wait to destroy said brain power, at the above rates in 80 years?(From the problem book by Elijah Muhammad)
Washington Heights

Troy, MO

#19 Sep 11, 2012
http://m.youtube.com/watch...

To the year Born God all the Gods strike hard
Fast from the swine hold down your boulevard
Father-U to C-Cypher, start the revolution
Middle finger in the air, for slang prostitution
Quisqueya Heights

United States

#21 Sep 11, 2012
Thee Nation of Gods and Earths for over forty-seven years has not been able to totally shun this street reputation and this has led to mainstreammediadepicting the organization as a street gang.Thus,in most of the State and federal prisons across the wilderness of North America, the Nation of Gods classifiedas a "security threat" therefore, the Devil disallows them from having access to various lessons and materials and if caught with Five Percenter and/or Nation of Gods and Earths information this would be considered being in possession of illegalcontraband (deemed by the authorities as gang paraphernalia and subject to disciplinary action).
Yet, at the same time the Nation of Islam who is considered a religious organization is allowed access to the “Supreme Wisdom Lessons” in which the Nation of Gods and Earths incorporates these same lessons as part of 120 degrees, but is somewhat prohibited from having the same lessons if they come under the heading of Nation of Gods&Earths.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#22 Sep 11, 2012
TOO BAD

Too bad that we can't get a conversation on the topic of this thread--black intellectuals from the lower depths.

As usual, the thread is polluted with racist riff raff trying to start trouble, or trolls of whatever ethnicity who deflect the dialogue by making personal attacks on other people and ignoring the issue.
Too bad. But this is Topix. Very few Topix threads can maintain intelligent discussion for long. Quel domage
nomad

United States

#23 Sep 11, 2012
I met a black intellectual just the other day in front of the Arab liqour store he was sipping wine from a brown bag and talking about the stuggle .
After putting the bite on me for a buck he shared with me how his fcked life was all my fault becouse I'd been keeping him down.
That was surprising to me as we had only just met perhaps his wisdom was just to intellectual for me to grasp.
I considered this as I sipped my yoho watching him shuffle away with his prode ghetto swagger keeping it real no uncle tom this man no 9 to 5 working for the man or white boy talk for him he would represent.

After thinking about what he'd said and his street wisdom and his thoughts on my part in his difficultys and my responsiblity to him

I remembered my fathers words when faced with a similar thing son he said to me

.that's a deadbeat negra a member of a shiftless good for nothing race of beggermen crybabys and panhandlers don't you give them the sweat of your balls about all they are good for is turning good food in to sht and thiefery.

I Hung my head in shame remembering my fathers racist words. Becouse I'd just gave that scumbags a dollor

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