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#972 Oct 3, 2013
Beer Belly Bobs Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>Actually I did google it and the only thing that came up was how individual African immigrants got shunned by black Americans. That and the high school scuffle in the midwest between Somalis and AA's a few months back. This is not an issue to the point of being nationally recognized.
Than you overlooked the issues of African immigrants getting abused in anew York, or the gun shootings in Chicago, among others.

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#973 Oct 3, 2013
APV wrote:
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I'm not trying to fight with ya, suga. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I'm glad you have found happiness with a man, I'm not knocking that he non-black at all. I just want you to respect when a BW (me) states that she prefers BM and that the experience of you and your friends doesn't automatically apply to all BW. Feel me?
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Aloha
PS: yes, I've always used my own pictures (if I don't have a peakcock, flower or sunset in it...LOL)
Yep.

Good and thanks and I realize that my prefer is not the prefer of all black women. I mean we all are individuals after all ,LOL.

P.S. I had to ask because this site is loaded with people pretending to another race and even other genders, lmao!

APV

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still busy trolling??

#974 Oct 3, 2013
TimeforHonesty wrote:
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Do you have family with you, APV?
Nah, all my (immediate) family is back East.
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> LOL 'Those darn roosters'. I had a similar problem when I lived in the country, along with those barking a** dogs. LOL Gotta love animals, but sometimes they can be so annoying.
I learned that roosters are very much like pimps...which is pretty funny seeing it played out in the animial kingdom.
Capree wrote:
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Yep.
Good and thanks and I realize that my prefer is not the prefer of all black women. I mean we all are individuals after all ,LOL.
P.S. I had to ask because this site is loaded with people pretending to another race and even other genders, lmao!
I know. I've been here since 08 and saw the whole Freebird, G from H Town, Machismo Man and all the other trolls thirsty for attention.

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#975 Oct 3, 2013
APV wrote:
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Nah, all my (immediate) family is back East.
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I learned that roosters are very much like pimps...which is pretty funny seeing it played out in the animial kingdom.
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I know. I've been here since 08 and saw the whole Freebird, G from H Town, Machismo Man and all the other trolls thirsty for attention.
Ok.
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#976 Oct 4, 2013
TimeforHonesty wrote:
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Than you overlooked the issues of African immigrants getting abused in anew York, or the gun shootings in Chicago, among others.
Not saying it never ever happens but these are isolated incidents. Theres no rash of AA vs African violence.

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#977 Oct 4, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Being black or white is not a race, this is what you are not understanding. We're not black because of some sort of organism, we are black because our ancestors lived in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years. We were not created to be fast runners, we developed speed over centuries of living out on plains and having to be able to chase our food. Whites were not created better swimmers, they developed on time as a means of survival. You are not hearing me, instead you are pointing out examples such as musical talents and athletic abilities as a sign of race. That is 100% inaccurate. One group of people branched off into different directions, developed different skills and physical traits as a means of survival, developed different likes and dislikes over the course of centuries apart(food, music, beliefs, views), and now believe they are a different race, but are not. I don't know how much more simple I can put this to you. One people, split in different directions, developed different physical features, traits and talents, languages, cultures, HAVE ALL MET BACK UP THROUGH MEANS OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT, and now see one another as different. PERIOD. Science confirms this with FACTS.
As for jazz, only a select few blacks can play jazz or enjoy jazz. Just like martial arts with Asians, and the know how to build computers by some whites. We have to stop trying to take credit for what a small percentage of people did and trying to act like it's something we all have done.
you were the one who brought up culture...not me. it was never my point that blacks are more "musical" or have more "rhythm" or athletic ability because we are black. i would never say something as simplistic as that. you're not answering any of my questions and you're acting as if i'm telling you that being able to run fast and dance good is what makes us black. i brought up jazz to show that you can't separate race from culture. not to show that blacks are great musicians. clearly you don't understand a thing i'm telling you...but i'll give it one last try.

when one group within a species becomes isolated from other groups for thousands of years there are certain genetic changes that take place. also, through the process of adaptation/natural selection there are certain genetic markers that become more prevalent. there are many examples of this in nature...the link i showed you on madagascar described how certain breeds within a species had evolved differently from other breeds on the african and indian continents. although they are members of the same SPECIES, there are differences which identify them as different breeds like you were talking about bulldogs, etc earlier.

your post from wikipedia basically said that there is more intra-racial genetic variation than inter-racial genetic variation. the problem is, there is no gene that identifies a person as "black"...just as their is no gene that identifies a person as "gay." you should be the first one to ask the question "why is this?" what i mean by that is, you that poodles are a different breed from pitbulls...so if a scientist came to you and said "there is no gene that identifies a dog as a pitbull or a dog as a poodle, so the idea of different breeds of dogs is a construct and a figment of our imagination" would you agree with that?

the shortcoming is with science in that it is able to deconstruct but not able to put all the genetic information together which would show that despite individual differences, there is enough in common to ID races separately.

black hair and white hair are made up of the same molecules, but they are still not the same. nothing wrong with acknowledging that fact.

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#978 Oct 5, 2013
Desmond Sandiford wrote:
<quoted text>you were the one who brought up culture...not me. it was never my point that blacks are more "musical" or have more "rhythm" or athletic ability because we are black. i would never say something as simplistic as that. you're not answering any of my questions and you're acting as if i'm telling you that being able to run fast and dance good is what makes us black. i brought up jazz to show that you can't separate race from culture. not to show that blacks are great musicians. clearly you don't understand a thing i'm telling you...but i'll give it one last try.
when one group within a species becomes isolated from other groups for thousands of years there are certain genetic changes that take place. also, through the process of adaptation/natural selection there are certain genetic markers that become more prevalent. there are many examples of this in nature...the link i showed you on madagascar described how certain breeds within a species had evolved differently from other breeds on the african and indian continents. although they are members of the same SPECIES, there are differences which identify them as different breeds like you were talking about bulldogs, etc earlier.
your post from wikipedia basically said that there is more intra-racial genetic variation than inter-racial genetic variation. the problem is, there is no gene that identifies a person as "black"...just as their is no gene that identifies a person as "gay." you should be the first one to ask the question "why is this?" what i mean by that is, you that poodles are a different breed from pitbulls...so if a scientist came to you and said "there is no gene that identifies a dog as a pitbull or a dog as a poodle, so the idea of different breeds of dogs is a construct and a figment of our imagination" would you agree with that?
the shortcoming is with science in that it is able to deconstruct but not able to put all the genetic information together which would show that despite individual differences, there is enough in common to ID races separately.
black hair and white hair are made up of the same molecules, but they are still not the same. nothing wrong with acknowledging that fact.
Bruh, you are trying to tell me that our physical differences is indicative our racial difference, AND I'VE TOLD YOU SCIENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT.

Now let me try once more. Members of the animal kingdom who belong to a specific race also possess physical abilities or disabilities from other members of their species. All cheetahs are fast, not some, not most, but 'ALL'. Lions do not possess the physical speed that cheetahs possess. Tigers and lions are genetically different and possess certain physical abilities that the other doesn't. This is how race works with all species. An alligator and a crocodile are of the same species, but one's mouth is more powerful, and one is quicker than the other. And as I said before, race doesn't operate in 'some' or 'most', it is more absolute.

I also provided concrete evidence in our genome being identical. We are one people, us being separated in different regions did not alter our genome in any way. THIS WHAT YOU'RE FAILING TO UNDERSTAND. You can keep saying we look different, we look different, but you're refusing to use analytical thinking beyond that. It doesn't matter what you wanna believe,'facts' are 'facts. You can run and tell it on the highest mountain top, but you are wrong.

As for culture: I mentioned we are of the same culture because the way we have lived has also altered our physical looks. But that's all we are, a different culture. Race and culture cannot go hand in hand if race doesn't exist within humans. But believe as you wish, you're the one who is having a difficult time understanding what I am telling you, not me understanding you. I've been where you're at, I've progressed because I've finally allowed myself to retain the information needed to comprehend 'race'.

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#979 Oct 5, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Bruh, you are trying to tell me that our physical differences is indicative our racial difference, AND I'VE TOLD YOU SCIENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT.
Now let me try once more. Members of the animal kingdom who belong to a specific race also possess physical abilities or disabilities from other members of their species. All cheetahs are fast, not some, not most, but 'ALL'. Lions do not possess the physical speed that cheetahs possess. Tigers and lions are genetically different and possess certain physical abilities that the other doesn't. This is how race works with all species. An alligator and a crocodile are of the same species, but one's mouth is more powerful, and one is quicker than the other. And as I said before, race doesn't operate in 'some' or 'most', it is more absolute.
I also provided concrete evidence in our genome being identical. We are one people, us being separated in different regions did not alter our genome in any way. THIS WHAT YOU'RE FAILING TO UNDERSTAND. You can keep saying we look different, we look different, but you're refusing to use analytical thinking beyond that. It doesn't matter what you wanna believe,'facts' are 'facts. You can run and tell it on the highest mountain top, but you are wrong.
As for culture: I mentioned we are of the same culture because the way we have lived has also altered our physical looks. But that's all we are, a different culture. Race and culture cannot go hand in hand if race doesn't exist within humans. But believe as you wish, you're the one who is having a difficult time understanding what I am telling you, not me understanding you. I've been where you're at, I've progressed because I've finally allowed myself to retain the information needed to comprehend 'race'.
c'mon now, guy...i pointed out differences between the races that have nothing to do with differences in how the races look... it's like you're only seeing what you want to see and not what i'm telling you. for example, it's been scientifically proven that blacks have more testosterone than whites. the differences in vitamin d. even the fact that whites have genes from their neanderthal forebeears. all of these things are indicative of us being of different races within the same species.

I really didn't follow what you're saying about cheetahs and lions. your reasoning and argument is confusing...first of all, cheetahs and lions are different species...you can look it up.

look, a horse and a zebra can mate. but horses and zebras are not the same species, so their offspring is not healthy and will have all kinds of genetic problems. now a mustang and palomino can mate and the offspring will be fine. that's because mustangs and palominos are different races within the horse species.

you seem to want to think that you stumbled upon this wonderful new idea and now you moved on to a higher plane, lol. but the thing is, you yourself don't seem to have taken the time to ask the obvious hard questions about this theory you now choose to latch onto. don't just believe this sh8t...ask yourself and the people who indoctrinated you with this theory the questions i asked you. the thing about scientific theory is that it's only theory. not "fact"...nothing you provided in your wikipedia link actually "proves" anything except that there are scientists who are trying to apply a scientific understand an something we all know exists.

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#980 Oct 6, 2013
Desmond Sandiford wrote:
<quoted text>c'mon now, guy...i pointed out differences between the races that have nothing to do with differences in how the races look... it's like you're only seeing what you want to see and not what i'm telling you. for example, it's been scientifically proven that blacks have more testosterone than whites. the differences in vitamin d. even the fact that whites have genes from their neanderthal forebeears. all of these things are indicative of us being of different races within the same species.
I really didn't follow what you're saying about cheetahs and lions. your reasoning and argument is confusing...first of all, cheetahs and lions are different species...you can look it up.
look, a horse and a zebra can mate. but horses and zebras are not the same species, so their offspring is not healthy and will have all kinds of genetic problems. now a mustang and palomino can mate and the offspring will be fine. that's because mustangs and palominos are different races within the horse species.
you seem to want to think that you stumbled upon this wonderful new idea and now you moved on to a higher plane, lol. but the thing is, you yourself don't seem to have taken the time to ask the obvious hard questions about this theory you now choose to latch onto. don't just believe this sh8t...ask yourself and the people who indoctrinated you with this theory the questions i asked you. the thing about scientific theory is that it's only theory. not "fact"...nothing you provided in your wikipedia link actually "proves" anything except that there are scientists who are trying to apply a scientific understand an something we all know exists.
Testosterone??? You may have more testosterone than your brother, does that mean he's no longer your brother???

Cheetahs and lions are both cats and have a common ancestor. And this is the point, though they have a common ancestor, they are different. We as humans do not possess this difference. We have a common ancestor and our genome is identical. The key word is 'GENOME', which you keep overlooking. LOOK AT ANY SPECIES THAT HAS A RACE, THEIR GENOMES ARE DIFFERENT. This is what determines race.

In fact,“There is no genetic basis for race,” says Fullwiley, who has studied the ethical, legal, and social implications of the human genome project with sociologist Troy Duster at UC, Berkeley. She sometimes quotes Richard Lewontin, now professor of biology and Agassiz professor of zoology emeritus, who said much the same thing in 1972, when he discovered that of all human genetic variation (which we now know to be just 0.1 percent of all genetic material), 85 percent occurs within geographically distinct groups, while 15 percent or less occurs between them. The issue today, Fullwiley says, is that many scientists are mining that 15 percent in search of human differences by continent.

GENETIC TESTS CANNOT VERIFY A PERSON'S RACE OR GENETICS. The tests are based on comparisons to databases of DNA from living populations, and are therefore vulnerable to “systematic bias” because of “incomplete geographic sampling” or the fact that “present-day patterns of residence are rarely identical to what existed in the past.

Spencer Wells of HARVARD said,“Racism is not only socially divisive, but also scientifically incorrect. We are all descendants of people who lived in Africa recently,”he says “We are all Africans under the skin.” The kinds of differences that people notice, such as skin pigmentation, limb length, or other adaptations are “basically surface features that have been selected for in the environment. When you peer beneath the surface at the underlying level of genetic variation, we are all much more similar than we appear to be. There are no clear, sharp delineations.”

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#981 Oct 6, 2013
We're all Africans underneath. Remember that!!! Our skin, hair and eyes are nothing more than the body adapting to it's environment.

“Gone But Not...”

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#982 Oct 6, 2013
we are all pretty much in the same enviroments NOW,so why havent we changed/changed back?

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#983 Oct 6, 2013
PrinceShyShy wrote:
we are all pretty much in the same enviroments NOW,so why havent we changed/changed back?
It took hundreds of thousands of years for whites to lose their pigment. So what makes you think people are gonna 'POOF', we're all the same again. That's not how it works. 2000 years of being around each other is nothing compared to 250,000 years of being separated.

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#984 Oct 8, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
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Cheetahs and lions are both cats and have a common ancestor. And this is the point, though they have a common ancestor, they are different. We as humans do not possess this difference. We have a common ancestor and our genome is identical. The key word is 'GENOME', which you keep overlooking. LOOK AT ANY SPECIES THAT HAS A RACE, THEIR GENOMES ARE DIFFERENT. This is what determines race.
In fact,“There is no genetic basis for race,” says Fullwiley, who has studied the ethical, legal, and social implications of the human genome project with sociologist Troy Duster at UC, Berkeley.when he discovered that of all human genetic variation (which we now know to be just 0.1 percent of all genetic material), 85 percent occurs within geographically distinct groups, while 15 percent or less occurs between them. The issue today, Fullwiley says, is that many scientists are mining that 15 percent in search of human differences by continent.
GENETIC TESTS CANNOT VERIFY A PERSON'S RACE OR GENETICS.
Spencer Wells of HARVARD said,“Racism is not only socially divisive, but also scientifically incorrect. We are all descendants of people who lived in Africa recently,”he says “We are all Africans under the skin.” The kinds of differences that people notice, such as skin pigmentation, limb length, or other adaptations are “basically surface features that have been selected for in the environment.
blacks in general have more testosterone than whites...testosterone levels are not distributed evenly among the races. even some bw have higher testosterone than many white men. that is one genetic feature that separates blacks from whites. this is a scientifically proven fact. the other is that blacks have a wide genetic diversity that they talk about in that article that other races don't have.

what's interesting to me about all this is that you never answered any of my questions about:

- the neanderthal genes in whites

- how every other animal species except humans can have different breeds. are poodles the same breed as bulldogs?

- how there is no "gay" gene that identifies gay people which would explain why there is no "black" that identifies blacks or other races.

-humans share 99.9% of our dna with each other while apes and humans share 99% of our dna...is that difference enough to make apes and humans the same species? if 0.1% doesn't make us different races why would 1% make us different species?

instead you posted an article about a black female scientist who is trying to prove that there is no genetic difference between races, and who claims that in certain parts of the world she's considered white. she sounds like a fool. as if anybody in the world would think of her as anything other than a light skin bw. it's people like her that fk up your whole argument. people so hell-bent on trying to prove that race doesn't exist that they make stupid, far-fetched arguments... revenge of the racially insecure.

the gist of the article is that there is no definitive proof for either argument. it doesn't say that race is a construct. the very last sentence in the article implies there is probably a biological basis for racial differences.

that's why i don't know why you would go to the extreme of defending this inconclusive argument as if it's some kind of gospel or fact. it's a theory that's far from proven. and to me, it's more like people WANT it to be true so they don't have to deal with the uncomfortable thought of what racial differences might mean for them...but to me people like that are insecure and have no pride in themselves...we need less educated fools running around trying to prove all races the same and more black people who are interested in accepting and respecting those obvious differences.

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#985 Jun 9, 2014
Wizwords wrote:
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Excuse me but black men kill other black men more than anybody else in the nation, thank you.
Not true dear sister, Whites kill other Whites more than any group not just in the USA but on this entire planet.

http://callandpost.com/news/2013/aug/16/white...

Someone else posted the link to this thread, I cam one and abracadabra, the same woman on that thread who is spreading her self hating garbage there is doing the same here. Pitiful. Is this what has become of the USA Black woman?

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