HATING EUROPE? Do American Whites Des...

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1336 Mar 20, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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Sir,
your uncle should write his memories down.
or you could write down his testimony and his friend Jeff too. Both have interesting lives in this regard.
It's interesting his initial reaction was "no" to the the save whites question after all these decades. It says much on his perception of today whitey Amerikkka... that is supposedly colour-blind, post racial etc.
He never went back to France as a tourist this time ?
a whiteboi
My sister and I will have to assume that effort in cooperation with our uncle, also my mother.
Uncle Oscar is quite old now. Never went to college, and hadn't finished high school when he went into the military as a youngster during WWII. My sister and I are both FIRST GENERATION colleage graduates (indeeed first generation high school graduate).Prior to the 1960s & 70s when we were growing up, most people didn't go to college, and many didn't finish high school.
I'm not sure how well Uncle Oscar can read or write. He's not an illiterate, however. I've seen him reading daily newspapers.
But I've been thinking about doing my family history for some time.
During the 60s, when we were children, we often heard him tell his war stories. I haven't seen much of him since my dad, his brother, passed back in the 1990s.
But he always would insist that "we fought for this dayum country too. We got as much right as anybody else. And don't you young folk let nobody tell you different." He still hasn't forgotten the lynching of one of his brothers, and the near lynching of my father.
But he LOVES the French. "No Jim Crow, no kkk, no cops asking what you doing in this white neighborhood. No restaurant saying "we don't serve Negroes here". And the ladies have no problem with going out with you just because you black. The French are alright with me." Old Uncle Oscar. You know, I'm glad you mentioned doing a memooir. It might just be worth a summer trip to North Carolina.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1337 Mar 20, 2013
Steely Dan wrote:
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Because the French, believe it or not, have a lot of integrity. They are a bit fiesty and Americans kind of expect the French to be humbled and grateful by the fact that the we rescued them from the Germans twice. But the French will not lower their heads and they feel their culture is just a good if not superior to Anglo Saxon culture, and they are not afraid to show it.
Also, I would say there is more disdain for Americans overall in Europe, than the other way around.
It's hard to tell how much European disdain for America exceeds American disdain for Europe. But it would be interesting to do some comparative studies.
I did start a thread (somewhat paired with this one) called: "EUROPE: How Do YOU View Americans?"
Some Europeans were gentle, but others quite SEVERE. Interestingly enough, the harshest critics were no French. Germans and Swedes and even some British were far more critical of America than the French. Some American posters living in Europe (Blacks included) said that such were widespread (not universal) attitudes toward America. And some of those Americans even thought there was justification for much of those unflattering European attitudes.

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#1338 Mar 20, 2013
Steely Dan wrote:
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Also, I would say there is more disdain for Americans overall in Europe, than the other way around.
Yes, I think so too. I have talked to Europeans I know about the "Hate America" thing and they tell me that they believe it's just a habit of talk they've gotten into- something that became "en vogue" at some point- but they really don't hate US people, but don't like a lot of government decisions.

They must find our nation to actually be important and interesting to spend time talking about it and us. I have never heard a US White say they hate or even dislike Europe. They rarely mention any place in Europe at all except to say they would like to visit certain places on vacation. For ones who have gone there on vacation or on student exchange programs, they always say positive things to me. Some say they would like a second home in a certain European place.

My mother's cousin was in the military, stationed in Germany in the 1980s, and he said many Germans would be rude to US military people and yell at them to "get the hell out". That's the only negative thing I've heard.

Level 3

Since: Mar 13

kaiserslautern, Germany

#1339 Mar 20, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Yes, I think so too. I have talked to Europeans I know about the "Hate America" thing and they tell me that they believe it's just a habit of talk they've gotten into- something that became "en vogue" at some point- but they really don't hate US people, but don't like a lot of government decisions.
They must find our nation to actually be important and interesting to spend time talking about it and us. I have never heard a US White say they hate or even dislike Europe. They rarely mention any place in Europe at all except to say they would like to visit certain places on vacation. For ones who have gone there on vacation or on student exchange programs, they always say positive things to me. Some say they would like a second home in a certain European place.
My mother's cousin was in the military, stationed in Germany in the 1980s, and he said many Germans would be rude to US military people and yell at them to "get the hell out". That's the only negative thing I've heard.
Any Europeans that hate us is becuase they are envious of us, just like all the whining negroes on here!

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#1340 Mar 20, 2013
French govt is or was bigoted in it's own way.
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folks in France had to give their offspring French names. if they did not. the govt would force them to change it. this happened until 1993. when the govt from that point on allowed the parents to give what ever name they wanted to give that newborn.

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#1341 Mar 20, 2013
Uncle Miltie wrote:
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Any Europeans that hate us is becuase they are envious of us, just like all the whining negroes on here!
My family hosted several European exchange students- two from Scandanavian nations and one from Portugal- and they all loved it here and saw some things they liked about it compared to their home nations- such as being able to live in such large homes at what they considered a shockingly "low price". The ones from Scandanavia said that they could rarely afford to go out to eat and had to budget quite strictly on their food. They liked that there was so much open space (I live in Texas) and they loved the people and the school (even though they said it was too easy and behind where they were. They told me though that they learn a lot in one year with a lot packed into it- but don't always retain it). They mostly took university classes that were available. They cried when they left and all said they would like to have a second home here.

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#1342 Mar 20, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
French govt is or was bigoted in it's own way.
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folks in France had to give their offspring French names. if they did not. the govt would force them to change it. this happened until 1993. when the govt from that point on allowed the parents to give what ever name they wanted to give that newborn.
To me it's really odd that they were so nationalistic and now they welcome in so many foreigners and are so open to extrmems such as Islam.

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#1343 Mar 20, 2013
typo- extremes

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#1344 Mar 20, 2013
sONE wrote:
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To me it's really odd that they were so nationalistic and now they welcome in so many foreigners and are so open to extrmems such as Islam.
I would have to surmise pressure from the common folks.

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1345 Mar 20, 2013
Savant wrote:
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My sister and I will have to assume that effort in cooperation with our uncle, also my mother.
Uncle Oscar is quite old now. Never went to college, and hadn't finished high school when he went into the military as a youngster during WWII. My sister and I are both FIRST GENERATION colleage graduates (indeeed first generation high school graduate).Prior to the 1960s & 70s when we were growing up, most people didn't go to college, and many didn't finish high school.
I'm not sure how well Uncle Oscar can read or write. He's not an illiterate, however. I've seen him reading daily newspapers.
But I've been thinking about doing my family history for some time.
During the 60s, when we were children, we often heard him tell his war stories. I haven't seen much of him since my dad, his brother, passed back in the 1990s.
But he always would insist that "we fought for this dayum country too. We got as much right as anybody else. And don't you young folk let nobody tell you different." He still hasn't forgotten the lynching of one of his brothers, and the near lynching of my father.
But he LOVES the French. "No Jim Crow, no kkk, no cops asking what you doing in this white neighborhood. No restaurant saying "we don't serve Negroes here". And the ladies have no problem with going out with you just because you black. The French are alright with me." Old Uncle Oscar. You know, I'm glad you mentioned doing a memooir. It might just be worth a summer trip to North Carolina.
Sir,

just tell him, if you have the occasion, that i'm glad to have heard about him personally and i feel it would be great to put his memories on paper/file.

It's living memory and it's a big episode in AA history. We always feel we have time to collect these oral testimonies then we are regretting when we haven't done it.
i know that for myself, i've missed some treasures like that.

a whiteboi

Since: Feb 09

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#1346 Mar 20, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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I would have to surmise pressure from the common folks.
What do you mean by common folks?

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1347 Mar 20, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
French govt is or was bigoted in it's own way.
.
folks in France had to give their offspring French names. if they did not. the govt would force them to change it. this happened until 1993. when the govt from that point on allowed the parents to give what ever name they wanted to give that newborn.
It's simple common sense : we care for children's sake in France, obviously you don't. i'm sorry for ... you.

The law in France is preventing crazy parents - there are more than you think - giving their children absurd names like say you would call your son "Klan" or "Breivik" ... it would be detrimental to him.

Parents can always appeal to court if this disagree with the officer's refusal.
So what was your point in fact ?
Trashing the French ? it sounds familiar to me ... from whitey Amerikkka as usual.

a whiteboi

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1350 Mar 20, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
I am convinced that the Yank attitude against France is among Republicans mostly. This started up with "You're with us or against us," and the rednecks salivated, and when Sarkozy told Bush to take a leap, many Yank were irate. Many of them have the same imperialist arrogance we used to see among French or Brits, "how dare anyone oppose us? We're the good guys!"
Much of the negativity I hear currently about Europe is due to the Muslims running amok. I've heard Yanks, talking about visiting Europe, asking, is there a country without all the Muslims? Certainly their presence puts a damper on the fun. I don't think too many Yanks want to visit Malmo these days...
A friend of mine, an AA woman, traveled to a number of countries and came back telling everyone to NEVER go to Pakistan, Iran or Turkey. Everyone is angry, she said, the men are perverts, it's like a grey pall over those countries, and she blamed their religion.
The people who annoyed me most in other countries, besides the Guatemalan deathsquads, were the white racists. Most of them were Australian. After them, the Euro faux-Left dilettantes, you know, people like Attai.
When I got attitude in Europe it was from Spanish fascists, the leftover Franco fans, or the Muz in France.
My annoyance with Yanks was their inability to adjust, to assimilate. They went around whining about the lack of peanut butter, which I took as symbolic for their whole problem. There we are in Spain where there is always a bar nearby with delicious tapas for a few dollars and they're whining about the food and wishing there was a Macdonalds around. The USA really is a provincial backwater... very xenophobic, unable to look outward.
There was a Dairy Queen in Xelajú, Guatemalan, and the Yanks would pack into the car to go there, all happy. Damn I was trying to avoid such places, figuring I'd see enough of it when I was back in the US, back in the US, back in the USA.
I urge all Yanks today to travel to Europe, so they will wake up to what is awaiting us if the Muz-coddling continues. Go to the UK and see how much fun the Pakis are. Check out the massive traffic-blocking prayers in the streets in Paris. I'd say check out Malmo, but that's probably not safe.
And anyone thinking that we need more "tolerance" toward Islam should also visit Algeria, ask the Amazigh there about human rights. In fact visit f'ing GAZA and check out Islamofascism in full bloom.
Francophobia, if I may use that word, probably is more common among REpublicans than Democrats. More on this later. In my office now, and must run to class.

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#1351 Mar 20, 2013
Also, I will say that the foreign exchange students (two were guys and one girl) loved to go out to my grandparent's farm and ride horses and shoot guns and they loved my grandfather's collection of old US automobiles.

The girl who was from Portugal, talked her parents into letting her stay for two semesters instead of just the one planned. She played tennis and at the end of the year there was a tennis banquet and she started crying. We asked her what was wrong and she said that end of the year activities were making her sad because it reminded her that she would leave soon. She wasn't upset about leaving a boyfriend- just friends. She actually wanted to stayed until after the 4th of July- because we have a big party at my grandparent's house then and shoot off a BUNCH of fireworks- but her parents wouldn't let her stay any longer.

When the guy from Norway was leaving at the airport, he was hugging us goodbye- and he started getting teary eyed. As he hugged my mom the tears came down his face and he turned abruptly and started walking away quickly- holding his arm in the air as a wave.

We were in their hearts. They were in our hearts.

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Since: Feb 11

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#1352 Mar 20, 2013
No one talks much about Europe anymore. In the 70's and 60's people would brag about vacationing in Europe, in Paris, Venice and Rome etc. But people don't seem to hold Europe in such high esteem anymore. Maybe it's political correctness. I dunno. Now people mostly go to the Carribean or Mexico.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#1353 Mar 20, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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It's simple common sense : we care for children's sake in France, obviously you don't. i'm sorry for ... you.
The law in France is preventing crazy parents - there are more than you think - giving their children absurd names like say you would call your son "Klan" or "Breivik" ... it would be detrimental to him.
Parents can always appeal to court if this disagree with the officer's refusal.
So what was your point in fact ?
Trashing the French ? it sounds familiar to me ... from whitey Amerikkka as usual.
a whiteboi
we too care about our kids.
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thing is, I still remember the case of one couple who named their daughter Kimiko. the govt forced them to change the name on the basis it was NOT a French name.this was back in the late 1970s it occurred.
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I'm female, not male. and I'm glad that we Americans can name our kids what we feel suits the child's possible personality.
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your usage of the term Amerikkka would been correct if we followed your govt's previous mindset in naming our kids. since that harkens to how orwell saw the possibility of how the world might have been like. as a socialistic totaltarian type society.
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we at least are NOT restricted to only one culture. we Americans can use names from Germany, Spain, Italy, Japanese, Chinese, unfortunately French names, etc.... even in the same family. part of that is that America is a 'melting pot' of folks from many countries. and many of those folks even after they move here name their kids with the same names they knew back in the old lands.
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at schools there might be a Jose sitting next to a Wendy. or even a Raoul sitting next to a Ameree.

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1354 Mar 20, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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we too care about our kids.
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thing is, I still remember the case of one couple who named their daughter Kimiko. the govt forced them to change the name on the basis it was NOT a French name.this was back in the late 1970s it occurred.
.
I'm female, not male. and I'm glad that we Americans can name our kids what we feel suits the child's possible personality.
.
your usage of the term Amerikkka would been correct if we followed your govt's previous mindset in naming our kids. since that harkens to how orwell saw the possibility of how the world might have been like. as a socialistic totaltarian type society.
.
we at least are NOT restricted to only one culture. we Americans can use names from Germany, Spain, Italy, Japanese, Chinese, unfortunately French names, etc.... even in the same family. part of that is that America is a 'melting pot' of folks from many countries. and many of those folks even after they move here name their kids with the same names they knew back in the old lands.
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at schools there might be a Jose sitting next to a Wendy. or even a Raoul sitting next to a Ameree.
It is just the same in France so your post is completely irrelevant.

If you can call your children "Hitler" in the USA, i do not see it as a "progress" and positive achievement but a lack of common sense from the parents and a big loophole in your state laws to say the least.

If it's your sole contribution on this topic, it sounds to me rather odd, weird Miss.

a whiteboi

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Since: Apr 12

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#1355 Mar 20, 2013
sONE wrote:
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To me it's really odd that they were so nationalistic and now they welcome in so many foreigners and are so open to extrmems such as Islam.
I agree. But that's why I like things like this new youth movement in France called Génération Identitaire. France has a lot to be proud of. Their culture is so rich. Philosophy is something that is really big there in a way unlike the Anglosphere. There's a lot of valuable literature that comes from France that doesn't get translated into English until much later, or that never makes it into the Anglosphere. France is the heart of the European New Right too.

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Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1356 Mar 20, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
French govt is or was bigoted in it's own way.
.
folks in France had to give their offspring French names. if they did not. the govt would force them to change it. this happened until 1993. when the govt from that point on allowed the parents to give what ever name they wanted to give that newborn.
I don't understand. There have been a good number of people with names that are not french who became citizens of France. The previous President Sarhozy seemed not to have a French name. The recently deceased Stephane Hessel kept his German name. There are French folk who last names look Slavic. The French government could have imposed such a policy consistently or universally.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#1357 Mar 20, 2013
Savant wrote:
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I don't understand. There have been a good number of people with names that are not french who became citizens of France. The previous President Sarhozy seemed not to have a French name. The recently deceased Stephane Hessel kept his German name. There are French folk who last names look Slavic. The French government could have imposed such a policy consistently or universally.
it was the first names of those born in France back then that had to conform to their standards. it was a form of control. a control over the common man's family by the govt.

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