HATING EUROPE? Do American Whites Des...

HATING EUROPE? Do American Whites Despise their Ancestral Homeland?

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“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1 Oct 31, 2009
As an African-American it often amazes me how much venomous hatred some American white display toward Europe.
If such animosity were expressed by Africans and Asians who were colonized by Europeans, we'd easily understand this.
Yet while White America has often insisted that Western Civilization is the apex of human achievement, Europe is often depicted as corrupt and immoral.
Once when I suggested that it made no sense for other "western democracies" to have universal health care while America did not, some white American person said "Europe would love you over there. Maybe you should go BACK there."
Of course, I'm here in America because European slave traders deported my African ancestors here three hundred years ago.
But that aside, I get the impression that there is a hatred--at best ambivalence--toward Europe on the part of many white Americans.
When France refused to support our disastrous Iraq war in 2003, there were people to boycott French wine and rename French fries "freedom fries."
(Sorry, I like some French wines and will certainly not boycott the whole country because they were smart enough to see through Bush's stupid war).
I believe that during WWI, Germany became the the great Satan of the America imagination, German Americans were persecuted (got a taste of what we've experienced for 400 years), and some folk wante to rename sauerkraut "Liberty cabbage."
You esteem the West as the apex of civilization, but then despise Europe--your ancestral homeland--as corrupt, immoral and anti-American.

What's up with that?

Level 4

Since: Sep 09

Oured,Osea

#2 Oct 31, 2009
Good topic.I always thought that WA's had affinity and strong relations with their Western European ancestors, but why would they want to despise their fellow ancestors and brothers in the name of white supremacy?If WA's were like tha to their WE cousins, then that would mean that their racism is weak.I know that white American supremacists on Stormfront have strong affinity towards their European cousins and don't despise them, but I suppose the non-racist WA's don't want to be associated with their homeland cousins out of shame.
JonShmaltz

Muncie, IN

#3 Oct 31, 2009
We don't hate Europe, why would we? You guys suspect that everyone is like you; all white people have blackface dartboards on their walls and have strong beliefs about blacks in general, when most don't. Most are just trying to make their way through life, with no intention to harm others until others harm them. You continually grasp for reasons to be a racist, but most people aren't concerning themselves in that way, they have jobs, families, and frankly, lives to deal with.

And in case you were wondering, I just come here to laugh at inane posts and point out how stupid people sound
BlackLady

AOL

#4 Oct 31, 2009
JonShmaltz wrote:
We don't hate Europe, why would we? You guys suspect that everyone is like you; all white people have blackface dartboards on their walls and have strong beliefs about blacks in general, when most don't. Most are just trying to make their way through life, with no intention to harm others until others harm them. You continually grasp for reasons to be a racist, but most people aren't concerning themselves in that way, they have jobs, families, and frankly, lives to deal with.
And in case you were wondering, I just come here to laugh at inane posts and point out how stupid people sound
Go back to Stormfront.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#5 Oct 31, 2009
Nerdtician wrote:
Good topic.I always thought that WA's had affinity and strong relations with their Western European ancestors, but why would they want to despise their fellow ancestors and brothers in the name of white supremacy?If WA's were like tha to their WE cousins, then that would mean that their racism is weak.I know that white American supremacists on Stormfront have strong affinity towards their European cousins and don't despise them, but I suppose the non-racist WA's don't want to be associated with their homeland cousins out of shame.
Yet many of those same American whites who harbor so much rancor against Europe, do show racist hostilities toward black people and brown people in America.
And they often appeal to the cultural achievements (both real and imagined) of Greece,Rome, France, England,Germany etc.--when they want to affirm their superiority of whites.
I mean, history (the little that's taught in America these days) is still primarily (if not exclusively)European, and white America claims that heritage.
A famous American writer once mockingly asked "Where is the Zulu Tolstoy?"
Old Tom Jefferson draws on European philosophers of the Enlightenment like Locke, Rousseau, Voltaire, Montesqieu and others. And these definitely leave their imprint in the Declaration of Independence.
Yet from her earliest days, America has imagined herself a pristine City on a Hill-- a New Jerusalem, compared to which white America's ancestral homeland was/is regarded as a cesspool of corruption.
It's crazy! I wonder what contemporary Europeans make of this?
BlackLady

AOL

#6 Oct 31, 2009
Savant wrote:
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Yet many of those same American whites who harbor so much rancor against Europe, do show racist hostilities toward black people and brown people in America.
And they often appeal to the cultural achievements (both real and imagined) of Greece,Rome, France, England,Germany etc.--when they want to affirm their superiority of whites.
I mean, history (the little that's taught in America these days) is still primarily (if not exclusively)European, and white America claims that heritage.
A famous American writer once mockingly asked "Where is the Zulu Tolstoy?"
Old Tom Jefferson draws on European philosophers of the Enlightenment like Locke, Rousseau, Voltaire, Montesqieu and others. And these definitely leave their imprint in the Declaration of Independence.
Yet from her earliest days, America has imagined herself a pristine City on a Hill-- a New Jerusalem, compared to which white America's ancestral homeland was/is regarded as a cesspool of corruption.
It's crazy! I wonder what contemporary Europeans make of this?
Go back to Stormfront

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#7 Oct 31, 2009
JonShmaltz wrote:
We don't hate Europe, why would we? You guys suspect that everyone is like you; all white people have blackface dartboards on their walls and have strong beliefs about blacks in general, when most don't. Most are just trying to make their way through life, with no intention to harm others until others harm them. You continually grasp for reasons to be a racist, but most people aren't concerning themselves in that way, they have jobs, families, and frankly, lives to deal with.
And in case you were wondering, I just come here to laugh at inane posts and point out how stupid people sound
Meanwhile, what Shmaltz the schmuck has succeeded in doing is exposing his OWN STUPIDITY. White Americans have been pretty OPEN and UNDISGUISED in their animosity toward Europe. That is a theme running through American history, perhaps as far back as the Puritans. Of course, like most Americans--especially obtuse white racists--Smutty Schmaltz knows next to nothing about American history.
Yet he shows stupidity. For even if you haven't read much in American history, RECENT and CONTEMPORARY white American animosity toward Europe is too widespread, too hard to miss unless you're thick as a brick.
Hell, white reactionaries were even calling on us to boycott French wines and rename French fries "freedom fries" as the war with Iraq began.
And it must be a thorn in their sides that it is Barack Obama, a Black descendant of Africans and Europeans, who seems to have done the most to boost America's reputation--and who is more popular in Europe and most of the world than has been in white American political leader of recent times.
This must really get under their skin.
BlackLady

AOL

#8 Oct 31, 2009
Savant wrote:
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Meanwhile, what Shmaltz the schmuck has succeeded in doing is exposing his OWN STUPIDITY. White Americans have been pretty OPEN and UNDISGUISED in their animosity toward Europe. That is a theme running through American history, perhaps as far back as the Puritans. Of course, like most Americans--especially obtuse white racists--Smutty Schmaltz knows next to nothing about American history.
Yet he shows stupidity. For even if you haven't read much in American history, RECENT and CONTEMPORARY white American animosity toward Europe is too widespread, too hard to miss unless you're thick as a brick.
Hell, white reactionaries were even calling on us to boycott French wines and rename French fries "freedom fries" as the war with Iraq began.
And it must be a thorn in their sides that it is Barack Obama, a Black descendant of Africans and Europeans, who seems to have done the most to boost America's reputation--and who is more popular in Europe and most of the world than has been in white American political leader of recent times.
This must really get under their skin.
Go back to Stormfront with your hate.

Since: Oct 09

Bethlehem, PA

#9 Oct 31, 2009
I don't hate Europe or Europeans. I don't like those who think they are superior to us. They read the crime and stupidity stat's of America and think we are all like that. Take out the negro quotent and our crime is lower than most places in Europe. Our test scores would sky rocket. America will be so much better off once the negro is deported.

bozino
Level 6

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#10 Oct 31, 2009
Savant wrote:
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Yet many of those same American whites who harbor so much rancor against Europe, do show racist hostilities toward black people and brown people in America.
And they often appeal to the cultural achievements (both real and imagined) of Greece,Rome, France, England,Germany etc.--when they want to affirm their superiority of whites.
I mean, history (the little that's taught in America these days) is still primarily (if not exclusively)European, and white America claims that heritage.
A famous American writer once mockingly asked "Where is the Zulu Tolstoy?"
Old Tom Jefferson draws on European philosophers of the Enlightenment like Locke, Rousseau, Voltaire, Montesqieu and others. And these definitely leave their imprint in the Declaration of Independence.
Yet from her earliest days, America has imagined herself a pristine City on a Hill-- a New Jerusalem, compared to which white America's ancestral homeland was/is regarded as a cesspool of corruption.
It's crazy! I wonder what contemporary Europeans make of this?
Lord Savant,

I believe what you are forgetting is that many Whites brought hatreds against other Europeans with them to America. France is an easy target for American Whites because so few of them came here to America. The English and the Germans fought many wars against the French so there was an enormous amount of animosity present among them. Another example is the hatred that the Irish felt (and feel) toward the British. My point is that Europe was not a monolith. It is not realistic to think that all Whites are going to love all of Europe. Most do have a fondness for that part of Europe from which they descend however. My ancestors came primarily from Britain and Germany. I consider both countries to be sacred and hallowed ground. Good day to you my sovereign.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#11 Oct 31, 2009
Tickanqua Johnson wrote:
I don't hate Europe or Europeans. I don't like those who think they are superior to us. They read the crime and stupidity stat's of America and think we are all like that. Take out the negro quotent and our crime is lower than most places in Europe. Our test scores would sky rocket. America will be so much better off once the negro is deported.
In one year in which there were about 300 murders in France, there were something like 10,000 in America. Even if you subtracted the number of homicides attributed to blacks and Hispanics, the violent murders and assaults by white Americans would still be over five times the whole of murders in France. A similar comparison would apply to Germany, England and numerous other countries.
You will also note that economic or class divisions are now greater in America than in industrialized Western Europe. There's universal health care there, and the level of health and education (with relatively high literacy) is far above what we have here.
Maybe when Europeans see those Teabaggers, Christian Right zealots and other American primitivists, they get the impression that America is less then civilized.
And, by the way, your racial attitudes is one thing that a number of Europeans I've met here and in Europe, find so extraordinarily puzzling about the USA.
One elderly Italian woman whom I met on a flight to Paris in 1988 mentioned her shock when she first came to America and saw those "For Whites Only" signs in public accomodations. Even contemporary racial attitudes (circa 1980s) she found quite exasperating. I'm reading the COMPLETED ESSAYS OF MONTAIGNE(which got her attention and led her to strike up a conversation with men), and she's wondering how those stereotypes about Blacks apply to the actual human individual whom she was talking to on the plane.
In Luxemburg and Paris, white and black Europeans expressed to me their puzzlement at our racial madness.
It is precisely this attitude---"America will be better off once the negro is deported"--that inclines many Europeans to feel superior.
What's remarkable is that even those who do hold America in low esteem--and MOST do not---often express more positive attitude to Black Americans than to white Americans. I guess even your cousins can barely stomach your arrogance.
And it must be eating some of you REACTIONARY whites alive to know that one of those "negroes" whom you'd like to deport, but who is now President of the USA, has done more to ELEVATE America's reputation abroad than any political leader of purely European descent.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#12 Oct 31, 2009
BlackLady wrote:
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Go back to Stormfront with your hate.
LOL! Calm down and take your medicines. Otherwise, we'll have to call the men in the white coats.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#13 Oct 31, 2009
ANY EUROPEANS IN THE HOUSE?

If there are residents or citizens of any Europeans countries here, what do you of what we've been talking about?

It seems some of your kinfolk here want to disown you--until they need to claim European culture as a badge of their own racial and national superiority.

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#14 Oct 31, 2009
Savant wrote:
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In one year in which there were about 300 murders in France, there were something like 10,000 in America. Even if you subtracted the number of homicides attributed to blacks and Hispanics, the violent murders and assaults by white Americans would still be over five times the whole of murders in France. A similar comparison would apply to Germany, England and numerous other countries.
You will also note that economic or class divisions are now greater in America than in industrialized Western Europe. There's universal health care there, and the level of health and education (with relatively high literacy) is far above what we have here.
Maybe when Europeans see those Teabaggers, Christian Right zealots and other American primitivists, they get the impression that America is less then civilized.
And, by the way, your racial attitudes is one thing that a number of Europeans I've met here and in Europe, find so extraordinarily puzzling about the USA.
One elderly Italian woman whom I met on a flight to Paris in 1988 mentioned her shock when she first came to America and saw those "For Whites Only" signs in public accomodations. Even contemporary racial attitudes (circa 1980s) she found quite exasperating. I'm reading the COMPLETED ESSAYS OF MONTAIGNE(which got her attention and led her to strike up a conversation with men), and she's wondering how those stereotypes about Blacks apply to the actual human individual whom she was talking to on the plane.
In Luxemburg and Paris, white and black Europeans expressed to me their puzzlement at our racial madness.
It is precisely this attitude---"America will be better off once the negro is deported"--that inclines many Europeans to feel superior.
What's remarkable is that even those who do hold America in low esteem--and MOST do not---often express more positive attitude to Black Americans than to white Americans. I guess even your cousins can barely stomach your arrogance.
And it must be eating some of you REACTIONARY whites alive to know that one of those "negroes" whom you'd like to deport, but who is now President of the USA, has done more to ELEVATE America's reputation abroad than any political leader of purely European descent.
Dang!

“Just me”

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Since: Oct 09

USA `´ KENYA

#15 Oct 31, 2009
BlackLady wrote:
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Go back to Stormfront
Don,t you think is time for you to step outside for some fresh air !!
Sinajuavi

United States

#16 Oct 31, 2009
Savant points out the inferiority of the USA social system relative to that of Europe, and therein lies the answer to the original question... it is political, I think. Corporate powers want Yanks to be skeptical and even hostile of Europe, lest they LIKE them and notice that their social system is more evolved and superior. They have to mock France, because they dare not let all those dittohead dupes know what life is really like in France. We must harbor negative stereotypes toward them, lest we adopt their demosocialist attitudes.

It's the same dynamic as with the rightwing rhetoric against Obama. He's a Nazi socialist, he's a stealth Muslim, etc., anything to divert from the truth of what he is trying to do.

Then there are other factors. The USA has been separate, and very provincial, for most of its history. Remember that not until WW2 was the USA one of the big powers. Before that Yanks resented the richer and more advanced Europeans, whether French, German or English.

Politically, France has always been a USA ally, but that is lost in the bigotry. France was the cultural center of Europe for centuries, and in some ways still is. They know it, and Yanks resent it. And Yanks know the Brits think we are hicks.

And politically, it works well for the GOP to create antagonism with Europe. Naturally their more evolved politics is not going to mesh with cowboy diplomacy such as that of Reagan or Bush.

I find it amusing that white Yanks often think the French are pussies yet the Germans are somehow admirable, when in fact Germany is possibly more leftist than France. But, Yanks are impressed with the Nazis, and beyond that they know little of Germany.

It is remarkable that white Yanks are like this. That they are so easily suckered even about their parent countries. Also remarkable, I think, that they harbor such ignorance and bigotry toward their large nextdoor neighbor, Mexico.

It's a xenophobic and paranoid culture.

bozino
Level 6

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#17 Oct 31, 2009
Savant wrote:
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In one year in which there were about 300 murders in France, there were something like 10,000 in America. Even if you subtracted the number of homicides attributed to blacks and Hispanics, the violent murders and assaults by white Americans would still be over five times the whole of murders in France. A similar comparison would apply to Germany, England and numerous other countries.
You will also note that economic or class divisions are now greater in America than in industrialized Western Europe. There's universal health care there, and the level of health and education (with relatively high literacy) is far above what we have here.
Maybe when Europeans see those Teabaggers, Christian Right zealots and other American primitivists, they get the impression that America is less then civilized.
And, by the way, your racial attitudes is one thing that a number of Europeans I've met here and in Europe, find so extraordinarily puzzling about the USA.
One elderly Italian woman whom I met on a flight to Paris in 1988 mentioned her shock when she first came to America and saw those "For Whites Only" signs in public accomodations. Even contemporary racial attitudes (circa 1980s) she found quite exasperating. I'm reading the COMPLETED ESSAYS OF MONTAIGNE(which got her attention and led her to strike up a conversation with men), and she's wondering how those stereotypes about Blacks apply to the actual human individual whom she was talking to on the plane.
In Luxemburg and Paris, white and black Europeans expressed to me their puzzlement at our racial madness.
It is precisely this attitude---"America will be better off once the negro is deported"--that inclines many Europeans to feel superior.
What's remarkable is that even those who do hold America in low esteem--and MOST do not---often express more positive attitude to Black Americans than to white Americans. I guess even your cousins can barely stomach your arrogance.
And it must be eating some of you REACTIONARY whites alive to know that one of those "negroes" whom you'd like to deport, but who is now President of the USA, has done more to ELEVATE America's reputation abroad than any political leader of purely European descent.
We have over five times the population of France sire. If you subtract out all the murders by Negroes and Hispanics then our murder rate would be approximately the same as in France. Many Negroes do not seem to be able to understand per capita though. I have had Negroes argue that the United States has an astronomical number of murders compared to the Vatican, and trying to convince them that you can only compare something on a per capita basis is a waste of time.

Economic and class divisions are an absolute necessity to keep the peasantry in their place my lord. I am shocked that a member of the ruling elite such as yourself would advocate otherwise. Are you a traitor to your class???

The European Union does not have a higher standard of living or a higher per capita income or a higher level of education than do Americans. That is all rubbish. If you take out the backward and non-progressive Negro from the calculation then our health is much better than in Europe too.

No one is concerned what an ignorant Italian woman on a plane told you. Anyone who has had to endure living anywhere near the evil and vile Negro knows what I am talking about. The Europeans are being overrun with Muslims and Negroes. They will learn in short order what it is like to live with vermin. In fifty years the little Italian women will be ranting and raving about the primitive Negro just the same as everyone else in the world.
pinky 42

United States

#18 Oct 31, 2009
I agree with black lady....you should go back to stormfront!
BlackLady

AOL

#19 Oct 31, 2009
You all need to go back to Stormfront!!!!
Sinajuavi

United States

#20 Oct 31, 2009
Alright, the bus for Stormfront is now boarding at gate 666... get on now, move it...

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