I'm not BLACK I'm Creole
jumpstart

United States

#651 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
in other words, if they found a drop of black blood in ricky martin he'd be thrown in as AA/of the "negro" race, "aka not white/spanish" (back in the day) if he didn't stretch to identify as "something else".
not necessarily because most if not all Hispanics have African ances in this case it would depend on what part of the world you're from. he would still be considered Puerto Rican the racial divide what a girl with his own culture .
jumpstart

United States

#652 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
dev, there's no one AA 'look', as by the ODR in the US pretty much ANYONE can be AA by any mixture if they have african ancestry anywhere down the line. Any "white (by latin standards....aka ricky martin)" Haitian, dominican, puerto rican, brazilian can become LEGALLY AA/"black" as soon as they land on U.S. soil, but luckily many don't choose to ID as AA, they choose their original culture, or else yall would be FCKED two ways from Sunday.
yes they do. I know a guy who chose black so that he can get financial aid for college.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Glendale, CA

#653 Mar 4, 2013
jumpstart wrote:
<quoted text> not necessarily because most if not all Hispanics have African ances in this case it would depend on what part of the world you're from. he would still be considered Puerto Rican the racial divide what a girl with his own culture .
you need to get off that phone with auto-correct/insert lol your sentences make no sense.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Glendale, CA

#654 Mar 4, 2013
jumpstart wrote:
<quoted text> yes they do. I know a guy who chose black so that he can get financial aid for college.
oh, he's playin the system. lol

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Since: Jun 10

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#655 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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it's generally accepted that if the mother does not have a french/creole/spanish surname then that person is not creole
By extension you are saying if the mother has a french surname, then the person is creole? My mother has a French surname. You still want to call me creole just because of my surname? I doubt it. And I know from experience many people in Louisiana would call me a Yankee and not regard me as one of them.

You keep moving the goalposts on what creole is =P

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Glendale, CA

#656 Mar 4, 2013
dev143 wrote:
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By extension you are saying if the mother has a french surname, then the person is creole? My mother has a French surname. You still want to call me creole just because of my surname? I doubt it. And I know from experience many people in Louisiana would call me a Yankee and not regard me as one of them.
You keep moving the goalposts on what creole is =P
i never moved any goalposts. You are like beyonce then, your mother is creole. Beyonce is considered Louisiana creole also even though her last name is knowles, but her child, blue ivy carter is not because she married jigga.

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Since: Jun 10

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#657 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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i never moved any goalposts. You are like beyonce then, your mother is creole. Beyonce is considered Louisiana creole also even though her last name is knowles, but her child, blue ivy carter is not because she married jigga.
What if we found out that Jigga's mom had the surname of LeBlanc and was from Point Coupee?

Would we then consider their child creole? You see where I am going with this??
jumpstart

United States

#658 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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oh, he's playin the system. lol
using race.just like this creole thing. Tell what is a creole. For hstians its a language kreyol, for caribbean hispanics is s type of food ror something indigenoud comida criolla.so please explain ehat it means to you. Ive worked for about 2 months in louisiana.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Glendale, CA

#659 Mar 4, 2013
dev143 wrote:
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What if we found out that Jigga's mom had the surname of LeBlanc and was from Point Coupee?
Would we then consider their child creole? You see where I am going with this??
the baby would be half creole like her parents then. it's not rocket science. They would just have to explain themselves a bit more regarding how they are creole if they don't have spanish/french surnames.

it's like being half white: my gg-grandparents were all half caucasian mulattoes, but I don't consider myself half caucasian because it is not immediate enough of a mix to be considered biracial alghouth genetically i'm probably 40-65% white. so, therefore the farther removed you are from the source the less likely you are to be able to claim "creole" if that is not your make-up/upbringing. like a 25% white, 75% black kid could not claim to be "biracial", even though they would be a heavy mix (think obama's kids).

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Since: Jun 10

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#660 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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the baby would be half creole like her parents then. it's not rocket science. They would just have to explain themselves a bit more regarding how they are creole if they don't have spanish/french surnames.
it's like being half white: my gg-grandparents were all half caucasian mulattoes, but I don't consider myself half caucasian because it is not immediate enough of a mix to be considered biracial alghouth genetically i'm probably 40-65% white. so, therefore the farther removed you are from the source the less likely you are to be able to claim "creole" if that is not your make-up/upbringing. like a 25% white, 75% black kid could not claim to be "biracial", even though they would be a heavy mix (think obama's kids).
You missed the point :(

Only AAs (like you) go to such great lengths to determine the exact amount of white blood they have.
blackevilshalldi e

Lake Worth, FL

#661 Mar 4, 2013
I'm mixed but I call myself black one drop rule
black man1

Coatesville, PA

#662 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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the baby would be half creole like her parents then. it's not rocket science. They would just have to explain themselves a bit more regarding how they are creole if they don't have spanish/french surnames.
it's like being half white: my gg-grandparents were all half caucasian mulattoes, but I don't consider myself half caucasian because it is not immediate enough of a mix to be considered biracial alghouth genetically i'm probably 40-65% white. so, therefore the farther removed you are from the source the less likely you are to be able to claim "creole" if that is not your make-up/upbringing. like a 25% white, 75% black kid could not claim to be "biracial", even though they would be a heavy mix (think obama's kids).
so, you should take your butt to the creole, caucasian mulatto forum. so, get off of the african american forum moron. you are not black mixed up in the head stupid moron.
dumb

Houston, TX

#663 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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^From the mouth of wikipedia.(which you can link to see the references yourself on the numbers there). Now, you have to take EVERYTHING you have just said back haha, where's our little promise?
You know, I think it's really cute that you've managed to copy and paste some material you found on wikipedia who's links only lead to fridge websites, and some random uni. spreadsheets that don't even contained proof the requested information. What I was looking for was actually archived information from 18th century(yes colonial officials did tally population demographic figures back then), but you once again failed to deliver, Cali girl, so no I wont be taking anything back, but instead feeding you a big spoon full of foot in your mouth. Let me show a little how it's done.

THIS is how you link someone to actually archived data on population demographics of the past.

"Creole & African Slaves by Age and Sex Pointe Coupee 1771-1802"
http://books.google.com/books...

-Creole New Orleans: Race and Americanization, By Arnold Richard Hirsch page. 86, Figure 4.

Now, lets see if you can give that one more try. FIND ME ONE DOCUMENTED ARCHIVED EVIDENCE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF LOUISIANA THAT LABLES ANY WHITES AS CREOLE BEFORE THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE.(pre-1803)? As you can see above there's clear evidence on my part that show that the term was used to distinguish African born slaves from that of Louisiana born(African descendant slaves). Now show me your evidence DIRECTLY from the source(archived data from the 18th century.
dumb

Houston, TX

#664 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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zydeco is not cajun, he's right. It's not "white" anglo-saxon, however it is creole, which means a blend of french, spanish, native and african beats. So it is linked to "whites" in someway. You seem prejudice as hell against anyone resembling European/white. Whites and blacks did contribute to this country. Blacks unfortunately had it the worst in the western hemisphere, but without the mix of cultures (and sometimes genetics) creoles would not exist.
The zydeco music of rural Louisiana is similar to the Mississippi Delta blues in they are characterized as pentatonic scale, absence of asymmetrical time-line patterns, a relatively simple motional structure lacking complex polyrhythm but using subtle off-beat accents, and a declamatory vocal style with wavy intonation, melisma, raspy voices, heterophony, and so one. All traits found within the Savanna hinterland and Sahel regions of upper West Africa(where more slaves were taken to North&#65279; America than anywhere else in the new world, especially LOUSIANA).

The only differences is that zydeco utilizes different LEAD instruments such as the accordion & washboard, whereas Delta blues favors the guitar. Both use the banjo(an instrument with it's origins in Africa) from time to time. But, then again, I doubt you know anything about that living in sunny gay urban California

If you take me coming in here to completely debunk your ignorant, Jezebel, eurocentric notions are MY HERITAGE, as being prejudiced then so be it, but I wont stand and watch what my ancestors developed be made for a joke, and completely miss represented by ignoramuses, who like to claim it just make their selves seem more "exotic" than they actually are. Not on my watch!
dumb

Houston, TX

#665 Mar 4, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
by the way, if you hit that wikipedia link to lousiana creole people, you will see my hometown, Los Angeles right up in the right hand corner under: Regions with Significant Populations.
#istaywinninBITCHEZ!
You love that wikipedia, don't you? Makes you feel special to not actually know anything about Creole cutlure or identity and be able to false claim it, because some wikipedia poster listed your city as one of the places with creole pop. lol And if you also look at the second place on that list, you will see the next state over from Louisiana, EAST TEXAS. Now look at my IP address, then slap yourself. At least that wiki page got at least ONE thing right.

BTW..... You don't have to take my word for ANY of this stuff I've said thus far, because well for one I've already provided my emperical data from sources, but here's yet another scholar on Louisian creole history echoing that EXACT same thing I've been saying all along, and he provides actually written accounts from the 18th century.

"There was one document that said:'We are selling these two black men. They say they are Bambara,' so the slaves were identifying their own nation. We see that Fannie's son is described as a Creole. This means that he was born in Louisiana. Whenever a slave is described as a Creole, that's what it means, that they were descended from Africans but born in Louisiana. Almost invariably, the word Creole in the 18th century meant black folks or mixed bloods and not whites. So the way the word Creole was used changed over time. Today, many Creoles insist that it means they were mixed-blood former free and that their ancestors were freed under slavery. Some elite whites in Louisiana insist that Creole meant pure white. But that was not how it was used, at least not in the 18th century."
dumb

Houston, TX

#666 Mar 4, 2013
dumb

Houston, TX

#667 Mar 5, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
Dumb is obviously a geechee.
\And you're obviously a drunk, Cali-hippie, troll but you don't see me trying to put you on blast.

Yeah, geechee in Texas, yep that's me......

“Proceed with caution”

Level 1

Since: Oct 11

Richmond TX

#668 Mar 5, 2013
dumb wrote:
Identity theft ring alert. They want u to click the link to steal ur information.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Glendale, CA

#669 Mar 5, 2013
CyberSoulSista wrote:
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Identity theft ring alert. They want u to click the link to steal ur information.
thanks!

@Dumb: Plus, I've already provided multiple reference links. If wikipedia, multiple encyclopedias written by professional researchers and historians (who have already done the arduous task of perusing through a cornucopia of historical archives), and other LA Creoles cannot make you see the one-sidedness of your argument (because your are only considering one side (the African side) to creole legacy), then no one can change your stubborn mind.

i would give your references to my own family archives if this was not a public place and if you were not a non-related stranger. I swear to god, some people never learn.
smh

Omaha, NE

#670 Mar 6, 2013
you cant be half or 75% 25% creole since its not a race. either youre a creole or youre not. im creole myself so i obviously know these things.

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