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wrong

Omaha, NE

#582 Mar 3, 2013
HAHA wrote:
Why do these people who know absolutely NOTHING about Louisiana creole culture trying to tell others who and who isn't creole. One of the main ways you can spot a creole perpetrator is when they trying to insinuate that being creole has something to do with being "mixed". Basically trying to white(& red)-wash the identity of creole people and the culture. Creole people & culture is and will ALWAYS be the culture that the Senegambian, Central Afr. Congo, and Dahomian slaves from Africa that BUILT LOUISIANA from the ground up their knowledge of water dredging for ditches, rice cultivating, and artisan architecture(shotgun houses anyone?). These people came to this colonial state with their own culture and genes, mixed and created Louisiana creole culture. Now I won't deny that yes they did mix to some degree with whites and natives and took some cultural influence from them, but there's a difference between cutlural influences(european & native) and a cutlural base(AFRICAN). Creole culture is Afro-Louisianian culture POINT BLANK PERIOD! Whites have their own traditional colonial french or cajun culture in Louisiana, natives have their own traditional tribal cultures as well. So, why when it comes to Louisiana creole culture we have to be mulitculutral, share with everybody, and pretend like Africans and their descendants didn't lay the ground work for all things creole in Louisiana, denying our ancestors legacy? Let me say it again.....
Louisiana creole culture is *AFRO-LOUISIANIAN* culture.
Just like Haitian creole culture is Afro-Haitian or Surinam Creole culture is Afro-Surinamese culture. Antillean Creole culture is Afro-Antillean culture. Everybody knows about those so why would all of a sudden when talking about Louisiana creole culture everybody likes to say it's about being "mixed"(highlighting the european & native specifically and down playing the Africanness)?
French or Cajun Louisianian = ethnically Caucasian-Louisianian
Creole Louisianian = ethincally African-Louisianian
Yes, over the centuries there's some miscegenation and mixing between the two, but distinction is still to be made. Any questions?
first of all, speaking as a proud louisiana creole myself, most louisiana creoles are more french and spanish than black. frenchmen and spaniards created the term and owned louisiana! many can pass for white/hispanic and DID. second, the dominant culture is french and spanish just like latinos, we have the same ancestors and similar food & same ingredients as they do. this whole "afro louisiana" stuff you created is false. no such thing. there is no major west & central african domininance in our culture. stop trying to african americanize us. yes some of us are african descent and were beyond proud of it! make no mistake! BUT....we are LATIN! GET OVER IT! we speak french, spanish, and creole no african nothing! you came up with what YOU think creole culture is to YOU in your EYES(which are obviously glued shut) you are completely CLUELESS about my people, our history, and our culture. i thought google still works? smh..

Level 7

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#583 Mar 3, 2013
wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
BUT....we are LATIN! GET OVER IT! we speak french, spanish, and creole no african nothing! you came up with what YOU think creole culture is to YOU in your EYES(which are obviously glued shut) you are completely CLUELESS about my people, our history, and our culture. i thought google still works? smh..
Nope, still black
dumb

Houston, TX

#586 Mar 3, 2013
@Nevada idiot

I knew some dumb a*& would eventually bite if I put the hook out there, so now I think I'll have some fun schooling your wanna-be creole a%^ while living all the way in Nevada. lol

First of all you obviously know all d*&k about the etymology of the world creole. So, I'm not even about to sit and explain it for you, I'll just quote a REAL Louisiana scholar.....

"Normally in the United States, the word creole refers exclusively to the people and culture of Lower Louisiana. But, it has a broader meaning throughout the Americas. It derives from the Portuguese word crioulo, meaning slave of African descent born in the New World. Thereafter, it was extended to include Europeans born in the Americas, now the only meaning of the word in Portugal. In eighteenth-century Louisiana, the term creole referred to locally born people of at least partial African descent, slave and free, and was used to distinguish American born slaves from African born slaves when they were listed on slave inventories. They were identified simply as creoles if they were born locally, or as creoles of another region or colony if they had been born elsewhere in the Americas. In the English Atlantic colonies, the term "country-born" had the same meaning as creole. "

"After the US took over Louisiana, creole cultural identification became a means of distinguishing that which was truly native to Louisiana from that which was Anglo. Creole has come to mean the language and folk culture that was native to the southern part of Louisiana".

-Gwendolyn Midlo Hall, a PH.d historian who's conducted by far the most extensive research and analysis on colonial Louisiana archived documentation to this day. Did I mention she happens to be white?

So that > Any fringe anonymous wiki definitions that you can post up that reflects a bias, completely untrue, eurocentric, revisionist standpoint on OUR Afro-Louisianian culture & history.
French settlers settled in Northern New France(Canada) and the falkland islands where little to no African slaves were brought. If "creole" meant native born person of European descent in the Americas, then why aren't their descendants called creoles? Is it just a coincidence that the term only appears in various forms where significant numbers of African slave where brought(Haiti, Martinique, Suriname) all used in the same context to refer to New World born people of African descent? Why is it that the language of the original French settlers and their descendants in Louisiana is called Plantation French or Colonial French, while the Pidgin language first documented as being spoken by Bamabara slaves from West Africa is called LOUISIANA CREOLE(which FYI isn't a dialect of French, it's a CREOLE which means it's a completely different language which linguist have studied to be mutually intelligible Haitian Kreyol & Mauritian Creole spoken off the coast of Africa, but not that of standard french or it's dialects. The vocab is mostly French derived, but the lexicon and grammatical structure is overwhelmingly African.)? So many historical, linguistic, and etymological contradictions that appear with this ridiculous eurocentric theory, yet it is continuously touted as truth with such blind conviction and arrogance.

And as far as cultural influences goes, I already explained how the language we now call Louisiana creole is based on early African pidgin languages, now lets touch on music, and how jazz which was born in Congo square(I hope you're smart enough to get the reference in that name) in New Orleans were enslaved Africans & AA creoles would dance, sing, play instruments like the banjo, drums & horns, and is today based almost exclusively on the various African tradition musics played by the slaves today, aside from the use of some western manufactured equipment. Look up the origins of these American instruments will ya (Banjo, Quillz/Pan pipes, blues fife, kazoo, mouthbow, diddly bow, washtub bass).
dumb

Houston, TX

#587 Mar 3, 2013
@Nevada idiot

I knew some dumb a*& would eventually bite if I put the hook out there, so now I think I'll have some fun schooling your wanna-be creole a%^ while living all the way in Nevada. lol

First of all you obviously know all d*&k about the etymology of the world creole. So, I'm not even about to sit and explain it for you, I'll just quote a REAL Louisiana scholar.....

"Normally in the United States, the word creole refers exclusively to the people and culture of Lower Louisiana. But, it has a broader meaning throughout the Americas. It derives from the Portuguese word crioulo, meaning slave of African descent born in the New World. Thereafter, it was extended to include Europeans born in the Americas, now the only meaning of the word in Portugal. In eighteenth-century Louisiana, the term creole referred to locally born people of at least partial African descent, slave and free, and was used to distinguish American born slaves from African born slaves when they were listed on slave inventories. They were identified simply as creoles if they were born locally, or as creoles of another region or colony if they had been born elsewhere in the Americas. In the English Atlantic colonies, the term "country-born" had the same meaning as creole. "

"After the US took over Louisiana, creole cultural identification became a means of distinguishing that which was truly native to Louisiana from that which was Anglo. Creole has come to mean the language and folk culture that was native to the southern part of Louisiana".

-Gwendolyn Midlo Hall, a PH.d historian who's conducted by far the most extensive research and analysis on colonial Louisiana archived documentation to this day. Did I mention she happens to be white?

So that > Any fringe anonymous wiki definitions that you can post up that reflects a bias, completely untrue, eurocentric, revisionist standpoint on OUR Afro-Louisianian culture & history.
French settlers settled in Northern New France(Canada) and the falkland islands where little to no African slaves were brought. If "creole" meant native born person of European descent in the Americas, then why aren't their descendants called creoles? Is it just a coincidence that the term only appears in various forms where significant numbers of African slave where brought(Haiti, Martinique, Suriname) all used in the same context to refer to New World born people of African descent? Why is it that the language of the original French settlers and their descendants in Louisiana is called Plantation French or Colonial French, while the Pidgin language first documented as being spoken by Bamabara slaves from West Africa is called LOUISIANA CREOLE(which FYI isn't a dialect of French, it's a CREOLE which means it's a completely different language which linguist have studied to be mutually intelligible Haitian Kreyol & Mauritian Creole spoken off the coast of Africa, but not that of standard french or it's dialects. The vocab is mostly French derived, but the lexicon and grammatical structure is overwhelmingly African.)? So many historical, linguistic, and etymological contradictions that appear with this ridiculous eurocentric theory, yet it is continuously touted as truth with such blind conviction and arrogance.

And as far as cultural influences goes, I already explained how the language we now call Louisiana creole is based on early African pidgin languages, now lets touch on music, and how jazz which was born in Congo square(I hope you're smart enough to get the reference in that name) in New Orleans were enslaved Africans & AA creoles would dance, sing, play instruments like the banjo, drums & horns, and is today based almost exclusively on the various African tradition musics played by the slaves today, aside from the use of some western manufactured equipment. Look up the origins of these American instruments will ya (Banjo, Quillz/Pan pipes, blues fife, kazoo, mouthbow, diddly bow, washtub bass)

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#588 Mar 3, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
I'm REALLY mixed race you guys...I'm not black.
you are white
dumb

Houston, TX

#589 Mar 3, 2013
Now lets talk food, and how gumbo(based on the Bantu word N'gumbo meaning okra, one of the main ingredients in any good gumbo dish) as a American dish came to South Carolina some years before Louisiana was settled,through the slave trade. It has been one of the staple dishes of the gullah/geechee people, our(LA creole's) cousins from the south eastern states for centuries. It came to Louisiana the same way, but just added so some french and indigenous choctaw veggies to give it it's own Louisiana creole flavor. Or we can talk about Calalou, the thick soup or stew similar to gumbo. Ferdinand Ortiz traced calalu to African coilu, Mandingo name for plant resembling spinach. In Pointe Coupee, Louisiana, it is a rich soup or stem in which one or more kinds of calalu leaves are the chief ingredients. Name given to several plants having edible leaves, eaten as greens, in soup, or used medicinally. Or Bantu Jambalaya based on the tshimbolebole, dish of tender, cooked corn. African influenced dish similar go gumbo,particular to New Orleans. Brought to Louisiana by Africans from the Kongo. I could go on.

And as far as Regilion well, there's Louisiana creole voodoo & hoodoo......I don't think I need to say anything more than that

So, as far as claiming that Louisiana creole culture is "Latin" just becaues it was colonized by the French and Spanish for a time gives me loads of laughs, because it was enslaves Africans & creoles(Louisiana born Africans) that BUILT and laid the foundation for it's sustainability, with their skills in rice cultivation, artisanry(row houses), and water dredging. But, even with out that by your stupid a&^ logic states, like Texas and Florida are more Latin than Louisiana seeing as they were colonized by "latin" colonizers MUCH longer than Louisiana ever was, and Latin language is still dominiant in those states where as French & Cajun is dwindling everyday(you can't count LA creole, because it's an Afro-Franco language as I've already explained.

So, I guess all there's left for you to do now is to sit at the table and eat a big plate of crow. lol Enjoy!

“I'm a proud grandma”

Level 7

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#591 Mar 3, 2013
I wish I had a nice big pot of gumbo.
dumb

Houston, TX

#592 Mar 3, 2013
Turns out the idiot was from Nebraska, not Nevada. I forgot the Abbreviation of the state for a minute there. My mistake. Either way my point stands. This guy all the way in Nebraska shouldn't be trying to tell anyone what and what isn't creole in Louisiana. LMAAAO!
Phoenix

Humble, TX

#593 Mar 3, 2013
dev143 wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, still black
Creoles I know state they are not black, sir.
dumb

Houston, TX

#594 Mar 3, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text>
Creoles I know state they are not black, sir.
Then you don't know any creoles, ma'am. See my comments above.
Phoenix

Humble, TX

#595 Mar 3, 2013
dumb wrote:
<quoted text>Then you don't know any creoles, ma'am. See my comments above.
Perhaps you should convey that to the Creoles that state they are not black. I'm not one to say they are or aren't.
dumb

Houston, TX

#596 Mar 3, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps you should convey that to the Creoles that state they are not black. I'm not one to say they are or aren't.
Like I said these people who you're coming into contact with are not CREOLE, but simply culture vulture scum, that have chosen our Afro-Louisianian culture and identity to leach off of, as some badge of "exoticness" or some crap. We are not "French", "Spanish", "Native American", "Latin" or any of that crap we are Afro-Louisianian, sub-group of African-Americans, like the gullah/geechee people of South Carolina, our cousins.

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#597 Mar 3, 2013
dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said these people who you're coming into contact with are not CREOLE, but simply culture vulture scum, that have chosen our Afro-Louisianian culture and identity to leach off of, as some badge of "exoticness" or some crap. We are not "French", "Spanish", "Native American", "Latin" or any of that crap we are Afro-Louisianian, sub-group of African-Americans, like the gullah/geechee people of South Carolina, our cousins.
you have brought profound and UNDENIABLE proof of what a creole really is, and folk still want to argue with you. its because of people like yourself, enforcing and telling the creole history that people like me now know what a creole is and is not.

and i did read gwendolyn midlos book, which was very informative.
jumpstart

United States

#598 Mar 3, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
I'm REALLY mixed race you guys...I'm not black.
youre not white either so get over yourself. Theyll toss a banana at you too.
dumb

Houston, TX

#599 Mar 3, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
you have brought profound and UNDENIABLE proof of what a creole really is, and folk still want to argue with you. its because of people like yourself, enforcing and telling the creole history that people like me now know what a creole is and is not.
and i did read gwendolyn midlos book, which was very informative.
It's moments like these that I just remember to keep calm and listen to some creole blues.


So, latin and not AA at all, isn't it?
dumb

Houston, TX

#600 Mar 3, 2013
^^^^^I mean stuff like that is so different from AA music, right?


"English speaking Texas blues"
dumb

Houston, TX

#601 Mar 3, 2013
Sorry, THIS is the Texas blues song.

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#602 Mar 3, 2013
dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
It's moments like these that I just remember to keep calm and listen to some creole blues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zPGkELrnFu0XX
So, latin and not AA at all, isn't it?
LOL!! this is us, 100%

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#603 Mar 3, 2013
i have added both these rich heritage videos to my youtube page. thanks for sharing!!!
dumb

Houston, TX

#604 Mar 3, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
i have added both these rich heritage videos to my youtube page. thanks for sharing!!!
Don't mention it.

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