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Houston, TX

#559 Jan 6, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
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banana. ;-D
I like how you try, and pass off Cafundo as a creole language when linguist who study in Brazil maintain that it does not fit the classification of a TRUE creole language. Aside from a handful of Bantu derived loan words Portuguese is the primary source of vocabulary, plus the fact that the syntax, morphology, and phonology is overwhelming standard in that of Brazilian-Portuguese. It is basically just a subset of the São Paulo Caipira dialect. The Helvécia dialect is also mostly grounded in the idiosyncrasies of regualar vernacular Brazilian Portuguese. These are what we call in liguistics "mesolects", which is a dialect spoken that is the mid-point between a true creole language and the parent language to where it's based. Which is can be equated to what regualar African-American vernacular(what most AAs today speak in SOME form) is to American English, Mostly English vocab, with a list of West & Central African loan words, although Africaness of it is mostly identifiable in the pronunciation and grammatical structures though it is still not foreign enough from Standard American English to be considered a true creole.

A true creole must fit these qualifications to be considered as such.

-no inflectional morphology (or no more than two or three inflectional affixes)
-no tone on monosyllabics
-no semantically opaque word formation

^^^^There are three surviving languages spoken by AAs today that fit the above definition- Louisiana creole, Gullah/Geechee creole, Afro-Seminole creole(the most Africanized of the three).

Sit and spin you baboon butt on that, on that while you try to wrap your head on the concept for me.
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Houston, TX

#560 Jan 6, 2013
It seems the other part of my response to the monkey failed to show up. hmmmm...........
Anonymous

Ashburn, VA

#561 Jan 6, 2013
Who cares? F off

“I'm a proud grandma”

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#564 Jan 11, 2013
In Louisiana when people are arrested do they classify creoles separate from Blacks, like they do dark skinned Hispanics?

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Anaheim, CA

#566 Jan 26, 2013
I am definitely not a linguistics major/minor and do not know much about language morphology or anything like that, however I do know what a creole is Fixed. I was born and raised in california, so if anything i have more hispanic culture than french, but you seem mad. Creole can be an ethnicity, or it can have to do with culture. Ethnic creoles are like myself: we can be born anywhere and still retain our creole background (just like a Mexican being born and raised in someplace far-removed like New York still remains ethnically Mexican)

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Anaheim, CA

#567 Jan 26, 2013
and my black creole ancestors are from louisiana, not haiti Fixed. I was using Haiti as an example earlier. Too bad you seemed so flustered as not to realize that.

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#568 Jan 27, 2013
It doesn't really matter when you look like this though:

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#569 Jan 27, 2013
Ms Mack wrote:
It doesn't really matter when you look like this though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =RNE0krwZcTUXX
That young man is a guy who cares way too much about what other people think about him.

I might expect something like that from a 15 year old girl...

Fact is, he will have to eventually just recognize the fact that in this country he is just BLACK, and move on.

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#570 Jan 27, 2013
dev143 wrote:
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That young man is a guy who cares way too much about what other people think about him.
I might expect something like that from a 15 year old girl...
Fact is, he will have to eventually just recognize the fact that in this country he is just BLACK, and move on.
It is not just him though, it is a mindset.

The passe blanc types that wish they were white, were told as late as 1983 that despite their mixture in the state of Louisiana, they would be classified as Black.

Quote for the day-"don't hate the man bringing you bad news, hate the man that is making it happen"
Maria OConnor

Perris, CA

#571 Jan 31, 2013
Creoles, in Louisiana cannot be considered black or white, because Louisiana did not belonged to the anglo model of Slavery, so the definition of blackness is different from the anglo world. Louisiana systems is similar the Latin American System. In Latin America, there are whites, blacks, indians and mixe tod people. French and Spanish fathers treated their mixed children lovingly, educating them, and making them legal heirs even if their mother was an slave. White of Louisiana (Frenchs & Spaniards), admitted having sexual/love relationship with black woman free or slaves, taking financial responsibility for their lover and their children. Unlike the anglo model, in which the dominant society divided the two races and considered one drop of black blood to be black, the New Orleans system produced a third group, the Creoles which equals the criollo from Latin America.
Creoles and criollos, usually have full blood white brothers and sisters.

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louisiana

#572 Feb 1, 2013
Maria OConnor wrote:
Creoles, in Louisiana cannot be considered black or white, because Louisiana did not belonged to the anglo model of Slavery, so the definition of blackness is different from the anglo world. Louisiana systems is similar the Latin American System. In Latin America, there are whites, blacks, indians and mixe tod people. French and Spanish fathers treated their mixed children lovingly, educating them, and making them legal heirs even if their mother was an slave. White of Louisiana (Frenchs & Spaniards), admitted having sexual/love relationship with black woman free or slaves, taking financial responsibility for their lover and their children. Unlike the anglo model, in which the dominant society divided the two races and considered one drop of black blood to be black, the New Orleans system produced a third group, the Creoles which equals the criollo from Latin America.
Creoles and criollos, usually have full blood white brothers and sisters.
this is false.
HAHA

Houston, TX

#573 Feb 4, 2013
Why do these people who know absolutely NOTHING about Louisiana creole culture trying to tell others who and who isn't creole. One of the main ways you can spot a creole perpetrator is when they trying to insinuate that being creole has something to do with being "mixed". Basically trying to white(& red)-wash the identity of creole people and the culture. Creole people & culture is and will ALWAYS be the culture that the Senegambian, Central Afr. Congo, and Dahomian slaves from Africa that BUILT LOUISIANA from the ground up their knowledge of water dredging for ditches, rice cultivating, and artisan architecture(shotgun houses anyone?). These people came to this colonial state with their own culture and genes, mixed and created Louisiana creole culture. Now I won't deny that yes they did mix to some degree with whites and natives and took some cultural influence from them, but there's a difference between cutlural influences(european & native) and a cutlural base(AFRICAN). Creole culture is Afro-Louisianian culture POINT BLANK PERIOD! Whites have their own traditional colonial french or cajun culture in Louisiana, natives have their own traditional tribal cultures as well. So, why when it comes to Louisiana creole culture we have to be mulitculutral, share with everybody, and pretend like Africans and their descendants didn't lay the ground work for all things creole in Louisiana, denying our ancestors legacy? Let me say it again.....

Louisiana creole culture is *AFRO-LOUISIANIAN* culture.

Just like Haitian creole culture is Afro-Haitian or Surinam Creole culture is Afro-Surinamese culture. Antillean Creole culture is Afro-Antillean culture. Everybody knows about those so why would all of a sudden when talking about Louisiana creole culture everybody likes to say it's about being "mixed"(highlighting the european & native specifically and down playing the Africanness)?

French or Cajun Louisianian = ethnically Caucasian-Louisianian

Creole Louisianian = ethincally African-Louisianian

Yes, over the centuries there's some miscegenation and mixing between the two, but distinction is still to be made. Any questions?
HAHA

Houston, TX

#574 Feb 4, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
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this is false.
Why even bother. I mean seriously, there's a delusional contingent of people that have hi jacked this beautiful rich heritage and tried to turn it into some ignorant, shallow "I'm mixed & got gud hair" cult.

I wish they would do that to the Gullah people's heritage, and see how the REAL Gullahs handle them, and quit leaching off the identity of Louisiana creoles.
dumb

Houston, TX

#575 Feb 18, 2013
Maria OConnor wrote:
French and Spanish fathers treated their mixed children lovingly, educating them, and making them legal heirs even if their mother was an slave. White of Louisiana (Frenchs & Spaniards), admitted having sexual/love relationship with black woman free or slaves,ollos, usually have full blood white brothers and sisters.
I can't believe I missed this BS. Well, I already addressed that creole has absolutely nothing to do with being "mixed", in my previous post. But let me just point out that I can't stand when foolish jezebels try to romanticize slave/slave master encounters as if it was some kind of big touching love story. Slave rapes, beatings, maimings, where all common at the hands of French & Spanish slave masters just the same if not MORE than in the British colonies of the eastern seaboard. In fact historians tend to agree that one of the most brutal slave masters ANYWHERE in the New World Americas was a French settler in Louisiana by the name of Jacques Charpentir dit Le Roy.

Documents report that Charpentir was known to rape female slaves in the open fields in front of other slaves before he proceeded to beat them. He had beaten beaten 4 slave women who were all pregnant with his biological children causing them all to abort. In fact one instance a woman who was nursing her own baby as well as an orphan had been bleeding for 9 or 10 months. By the time she was sent to the hospital her womb was rotten and she died.

Yeah, the French were so nice and loving that the Saint Dominique(Haiti) slaves revolted in pure rage and nearly slaughtered them all, to escape the brutality at the hands of them. How dare those savage slaves rebel in name of their freedom against those wonderful French slave masters *sarcasm*....The same thing would've happened in Louisiana too if the Africans & Creole born slaves had the numbers and didn't have to deal with Native American slave catchers. How about YOU look up the Samba Bambara plot or the Jean Saint Malo revolt of creole maroons(in Spanish Louisiana).

JACQUES CHARPENTIR! Remember the name of that french bastard next time you try to disrespect our African & Creole born ancestors by romanticizing or downplaying the horror that went through.
whatever

Hyde Park, MA

#576 Feb 18, 2013
who cares
MixedGirlFrenchG uadeloupe

Saint-genis-laval, France

#577 Feb 18, 2013
My mom is from Guadeloupe, Caribbean island, she is light skinned with curly hair and hazel eyes. Her mom is half black half Indian (India) and her dad is black, french and indian
She never calls herself Black but Creole

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#578 Feb 20, 2013
Silly western Negroes always trying to show how non black they are.

I wash my hands of ALL of you. totally worthless.

“found a good one! ”

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Houston, TX

#579 Feb 26, 2013
dev143 wrote:
Silly western Negroes always trying to show how non black they are.
I wash my hands of ALL of you. totally worthless.
I don't think anyone is trying to downplay their "blackness" rather they are highlighting their unique culture/s.
muminfreedomfigh ta

United States

#580 Feb 26, 2013
dev143 wrote:
Silly western Negroes always trying to show how non black they are.
I wash my hands of ALL of you. totally worthless.
c/ s No other race runs from thier ancestors like the ashamed africans in the western hemisphere.
holycrap

Powell, OH

#581 Feb 26, 2013
dumb wrote:
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I can't believe I missed this BS. Well, I already addressed that creole has absolutely nothing to do with being "mixed", in my previous post. But let me just point out that I can't stand when foolish jezebels try to romanticize slave/slave master encounters as if it was some kind of big touching love story. Slave rapes, beatings, maimings, where all common at the hands of French & Spanish slave masters just the same if not MORE than in the British colonies of the eastern seaboard. In fact historians tend to agree that one of the most brutal slave masters ANYWHERE in the New World Americas was a French settler in Louisiana by the name of Jacques Charpentir dit Le Roy.
Documents report that Charpentir was known to rape female slaves in the open fields in front of other slaves before he proceeded to beat them. He had beaten beaten 4 slave women who were all pregnant with his biological children causing them all to abort. In fact one instance a woman who was nursing her own baby as well as an orphan had been bleeding for 9 or 10 months. By the time she was sent to the hospital her womb was rotten and she died.
Yeah, the French were so nice and loving that the Saint Dominique(Haiti) slaves revolted in pure rage and nearly slaughtered them all, to escape the brutality at the hands of them. How dare those savage slaves rebel in name of their freedom against those wonderful French slave masters *sarcasm*....The same thing would've happened in Louisiana too if the Africans & Creole born slaves had the numbers and didn't have to deal with Native American slave catchers. How about YOU look up the Samba Bambara plot or the Jean Saint Malo revolt of creole maroons(in Spanish Louisiana).
JACQUES CHARPENTIR! Remember the name of that french bastard next time you try to disrespect our African & Creole born ancestors by romanticizing or downplaying the horror that went through.
**tears** Heart wrenching. If I had a few wishes, one of them would certainly be for the blacks especially to stop romanticizing slavery. It's so disgusting and disgraceful.

Excellent post. Thank you.

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