Racism and the American Right

Racism and the American Right

There are 1009 comments on the OpEdNews story from May 20, 2013, titled Racism and the American Right. In it, OpEdNews reports that:

Racism has been a consistent thread weaving through the American Right from the early days when Anti-Federalists battled against the U.S. Constitution to the present when hysterical Tea Partiers denounce the first African-American president.

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#540 Jun 24, 2013
Stoneman wrote:
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Oh goody. The predictable "Nazi" reference.
We will set aside that completely stupid assertion (you can't back it up) and see if we can coax some meat out of you. When pressed for specifics, you lefties usually start blubbering.
Let's get started.
First, what's the proof in your tiny mind that Conservatives hate women? Is it because we object to having somebody provide $15 in free screw pills for a woman that attends an extremely expensive private university? Rational people would look at that and wonder why we should be concerned about her ability to pay $15/month for her backstroke sport. Tiny minded people can't see anything odd about it.
Second, what has any Conservative politician said that indicates racism? I recall a Senator that was a big wheel in the S/D until he died in the early 2000's who was a leader in the KKK. I recall a black presidential candidate from the 80's who is still extorting money out of businesses by the name of Jackson who referred to Jewish people has "heimies". But perhaps you can cough up a few examples of leading conservatives being racist.
Unless, of course, you interpret anybody that wants to put a cap on rampant spending and corruption in the entitlements (because we all KNOW that blacks and minorities CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT GUBBERMINT HANDOUTS, according to S/D leadership and the NAACP) as racist.
Go.
Sorry, but i could'nt even get past, "free screw pills".......BTW, Government assistance did'nt start with this President.....though, you'd like everyone to think that....

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#541 Jun 24, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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But Nkrumah explicitly said he is not a Marxist. He said, "I am a Marxian socialist and a Christian..." Your problem is you cannot read simple English. You want to twist what he said and make it seem like it is something you wnat him to say. But, you cannot show us one quote anywhere where Nkrumah ever claimed Marxism. In Consciencism I think he did mention Engels a few times. But he mentioned just about every other European philosopher also. So, how can mentioning Engels make him a Marxixt? You are either stupid or a liar or both.
Only problem is that he quotes Engels FAVORABLY, and writes his CONSCIENCISM from an unmistakably Marxian perspective. The man was educated and received a degree in Philosophy, you fool! Anyone who is chooled in philosphy and writing a philosophical treatise is bound to mention or discuss numerous philosophers. But he is not equally favorable to all of them. Nkruman not only uses (sometimes effectively) DIALECTICS, but reasons dialectically from a Marxian MATERIALIST point of view. Or did you think he was writing from a Cartesian or Humean point of view in CONSCIENCISM and CLASS STRUGGLE IN AFRICA? The problem is that YOU are the one who can't read, or can't comprehend what you read. And even if you quote Nkrumah corectly (but with no source) as saying "I am a Marxian and a Christian"--that is directly CONTRARY to your claim that he denied being a Marxist. Whether you can be BOTH Christian and Marxist with philosophical consistency, may be debatable. But he's saying that he IS a Marxist, you half-literate fool....unless you got the quotation wrong. I don't wonder whether you're stupid or a liar. I KNOW that you're a stupid goose...probably even too stupid to lie.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#542 Jun 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Wiggle out of what, azzhole. i said Nkrumah was a Marxist and his own writings show it.
That is another one of your arrogant and stupid lies. You have provided no evidence to substantiate your stupid claims.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Negritude was a Francophone cultural movement, and had little influence in former British colonies.
True. The whole idea was to pre-empt and prevent English revolutionary ideas from infiltrating the francophone areas. Right now, y'all are trying to prevent French revolutionary ideas from, entering English. That is why Sekou Toure's works have not been translated.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>It could not have been a distraction in Ghana.
It was a distraction in French speaking areas. Clown, we are Pan-Africanists. That means have to communicate to French speakers as well as to English speakers. But, n-word-tude tried to prevent us from communicating to the French speakers. Of all the African members of the French parliament at that time under African Democratic Rally, Sekou Toure and the Malians were the only ones to join the Union of African States with Nkrumah. All those French speaking African leaders chose to remain French colonies and slaves. But Sekou Tore told De-Gaul: "we prefer poverty in liberty to riches in slavery." This is what we are talking about. While Sekou Toure was agitating for such positive and progressive revolutionary ideas and values, you punks were talking about n-word-tude. And you were doing it at exactly the same time that we were fighting for liberation.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>In former French colonies it began to lose steam, or at least relevanced as movements advanced.
True. It was a miserable failure by the 1960's as all of Africa was becoming independent. So why do you keep throwing it in our faces when we are trying to talk about Nkurmahism? You are a traitor and a coward.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#543 Jun 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
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Only problem is that he quotes Engels FAVORABLY, and writes his CONSCIENCISM from an unmistakably Marxian perspective.
Of course, we Nkrumahists have very, very "favorable" attitudes towards Engels, Marx and Lenin and Stalin and Hitler. But we are not Marxist Leninists. We are Nkrumahists: http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cppnorthame...

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>The man was educated and received a degree in Philosophy, you fool! Anyone who is chooled in philosphy and writing a philosophical treatise is bound to mention or discuss numerous philosophers. But he is not equally favorable to all of them.
Nkrumah rejected all European philosophers equally in terms of philosophy. However, he did prefer Marxian scientific methods in economics. Economics is not philosophy. Therefore, using Marx's economic theory is not equivalent to be a Marxist. To be a Marxist one has to agree with Marx's philosophy which is atheism. Nkrumah was a philosophical theist, not an atheist, not a Marxist. He was a Christian preacher by profession.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Nkruman not only uses (sometimes effectively) DIALECTICS, but reasons dialectically from a Marxian MATERIALIST point of view.
Christians and Muslims use dialectical materialism all the time. But, we are not Marxists.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Or did you think he was writing from a Cartesian or Humean point of view in CONSCIENCISM and CLASS STRUGGLE IN AFRICA? The problem is that YOU are the one who can't read, or can't comprehend what you read. And even if you quote Nkrumah corectly (but with no source) as saying "I am a Marxian and a Christian"--that is directly CONTRARY to your claim that he denied being a Marxist.
When he said, "I am a Christian..." that denied being a Marxist at the philosophical level. At the philosophical level, Nkrumah was a Christian, a Believer, a theist, not a Marxist. He was a Marxian socialist, not a Marxist.

I recall that quote as being in the autobiography. But I cannot find it in the edition that is available to me here in Saint Louis. It would be in the "Introduction" to the book.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Whether you can be BOTH Christian and Marxist with philosophical consistency, may be debatable.
You can be a theistic Christian in terms of philosophy. But you have the option to use scientific economic theory. Nkrumah chose the Marxian model, not the Marxist model. You need to understand the difference between "Marxian" and "Marxist". One is merely a theory. The other is a philosophy. Nkrumah was not a "Marxist". Also, Nkrumah used the Adam Smith model of economic theory. Thus the economy he created in Ghana was called a "mixed economy" not a Marxist economy. Today, it is called "public-private partnership". Nkrumah created this model, not Marx. This is the model that is currently being used in China and India. Thus, our model is the correct one. And Africa would be as prosperous as China and India had the CIA not overthrown our government. Both Nehru, Gandhi and Chairman Mao and what's his name had tremendous respect for us in Ghana and Guinea. They copied what we created.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>But he's saying that he IS a Marxist, you half-literate fool....unless you got the quotation wrong.
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He said "Marxian", not "Marxist" Big difference.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I don't wonder whether you're stupid or a liar. I KNOW that you're a stupid goose...probably even too stupid to lie.
Well, I am too stupid to lie. But YOU are not that stupid. You lie all the time.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#544 Jun 24, 2013
The Chinese leader after Mao was Deng. He was a midget compared to Mao. Nehru, Nkrumah, Castro and Ho chi Minh. So I forget his name some times. But Nehru implemented Nkrumahian economics in India first. Later Deng implemented Nkrumahian economics in China. But they were not Nkrumahists. Now, it is our duty to bring Nkrumahian economics back to Africa and to the African Diaspora. Bringing Nkrumahian economics to the African Diaspora in North America is what the Convention People's Party in North America is all about.( http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cppnorthame... )
former frat brat

Chevy Chase, MD

#545 Jun 24, 2013
The simple fact of the matter is that there are plenty of americans, black white hispanic asian etc etc who are too stupid to make it on their own in a civilized society and so we need to have some version of welfare or they would cannablize each other and rob the rest of us. The problem is that there are more and more as time goes on and too many losers will topple the apple cart. When you make welfare easy people working for minimum wage will find out quick they they can get free food stamps, free obamacare and a free cell phone and there will be no reason to work as long as they can find a place to crash.

We brought it on ourselves by lying to people of all colors and telling them they were college material when they are not.

If you can't make it in america you are a loser and the current welfare rules already give you more than you deserve. Anyone that blames their failure on racism is just afriad to admit that they are unwilling to earn their keep. Everyone has a flaw that someone else does not like. They might be short fat, too pretty, too ugly, surly, too nice. black, white muslim, atheist, jewish, a woman, a man, gay, strait or whatever...

The left wants you dependent to insure they stay in office, the right wants you indepenent so they don't have to feed your sorry backside. Neither side cares about you as a person.
OBNTG

Carol Stream, IL

#546 Jun 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
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Racism is so deeply rooted in American society and culutre that it cuts across the political spectrum, from Right to Left.
But the most stubborn, persist, militant and violent forms of racism has come from the RIGHT. The Left did not create the KKK, the American Nazis, white militias, etc. Neither liberals nor socialists formed the racist lynch mobs or repressive racist police; nor did were they the ones bombing our homes and churches in Alabama and Mississippi.
And it is not the LEFT who are before the Supreme Court as we speak trying to repeals or gut the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Never let the left off the hook for their racism, but make no mistakes. The greatest enemies of Black America, and of humanity, usually comes from the Right.
Hitler and Stalin were if anything left-wing. Have a great day!

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Since: Dec 11

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#547 Jun 24, 2013
OBNTG wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler and Stalin were if anything left-wing. Have a great day!
Hitler was conservative at the highest imaginable level.
OBNTG

Carol Stream, IL

#548 Jun 24, 2013
Darkjaemess wrote:
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Hitler was conservative at the highest imaginable level.
No he was socialist- left wing.

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Since: Oct 12

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#549 Jun 24, 2013
...F*ck the labeling, keep your eye on the ball.......

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Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#550 Jun 24, 2013
Darkjaemess wrote:
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Hitler was conservative at the highest imaginable level.
And he was basically sexually immoral and a suspected homosexual. Hitler would have favored "gay marriage". He was a middle aged man who had never married and did not marry until the day he decided to commit suicide. That is liberalism at its worse.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#551 Jun 24, 2013
64 years On, Mission Unaccomplished.

The Convention People’s Party (CPP) was founded sixty-four years ago on the 12th June 1949. An anniversary which provides opportunity for much introspection and reflection.
It had a mission to spearhead the struggle for freedom and unity of Ghanaians and Africans, restore our dignity and cultural identity that was shaken after decades of colonialism, balkanization and exploitation, to improve the living conditions of our people.
The CPP was founded to demystify the myth of the inferiority of our ‘race’ that emerged after slavery and subsequent exploitation under colonialism and economic marginalization.
We did succeed on many fronts and Ghana was among the wealthiest and most socially advanced areas in Africa, with schools, railways, hospitals, social security and an advanced economy. The CPP government had created a welfare system, started various community programs, and established more and more schools. Forestry, cattle-breeding and fishing, expanded production of cocoa doubled, and deposits of bauxite and gold exploited more effectively. The construction of a dam on the Volta River provided water for irrigation and hydro-electric power, which produced enough electricity for the towns as well as for a new aluminimum plant. Government funds were also provided for village projects in which local people built schools and roads, while free health care and education were introduced. The CPP attempted to rapidly industrialise Ghana's economy and spearheaded continental unity.
The party’s dream for the nation and Africa was shattered, largely derailed and all would admit that today we have less control over our resources and even less over our economy.
Our economy and rich resources must be for the benefit of Ghanaians and Africans, and the lack of basic needs for our citizens is a manifestation of this loss of control.
Various sectors of our life must work again - Health, Education, Housing, Transportation, Sanitation, Energy, Infrastructure and the economy generally.
Over sixty years ago, we would not have emerged as a political force without effectively inspiring a spirit of sacrifice, commitment and devotion to our nation and her people. Today, we will have to do the same all over again.
The CPP must lead Ghana with courage that comes from conviction to help us overturn years of dependency in managing our affairs and planning our development. The CPP’s mission is to propose and promote a radical departure from the way our country is run and to reconnect politics to the people we serve.
Read more: http://conventionpeoplesparty.org/...
Stoneman

Boise, ID

#552 Jun 24, 2013
anonymousofcourse wrote:
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Welfare? Welfare abuse? two different things.
... be addressed. But, I can say from experience, that if I had to resort to welfare as hard as I have worked over the years only to have radical far rights and white supremacist take almost every opportunity I had away or sabotage something in my life due to their stupidity, paranoia, narrow-mindedness, etc., then that welfare is of some use and it should stay. But, for others who abuse it, they should face repercussions. Just like with ANTHING in our society. But, you know those people who caused me unnecessary harm, they have yet to be brought to justice. They did not clean up THEIR mess, I mostly did along with the government's 1-1/2 years help.
Goodness GRACIOUS you have a hang-up! You are too blind with your racist rage toward white conservatives because of whatever somebody did to you to get my point! I said SOCIALIST/DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS BELIEVE that blacks can't survive without handouts from the gubbermint. READ IT AGAIN. If the words are too long, get somebody to help you.

Yep, you're a racist. If I raged against all black people because a group of blacks mugged me years ago, wouldn't I be a racist? If a black celebrity admits publicly that he voted for Lord Obama "because he's black", isn't he a racist? I don't know-- go ask Samuel L. Jackson.

Answer: yes, you are a racist. You can't get over whatever happened to you, so you seize on the easy way out: The Man (a white, middle-aged bald rich guy) is KEEPING YOU DOWN.

You're pretty pathetic. You can't come up with solid examples to back up your rage about Conservatives being "Nazi" (whoooooooo! Original!), you can't get over your hang-up, all you can do is blame all of your underachievement on The Man. Can't explain why the sperm donor to your kids isn't supporting. Is he gone because of The Man or did he lose interest?

I suggest you get over it. Being a "victim" is gutless. And boring.
anonymousofcours e

Honolulu, HI

#553 Jun 24, 2013
Stoneman wrote:
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Goodness GRACIOUS you have a hang-up! You are too blind with your racist rage toward white conservatives because of whatever somebody did to you to get my point! I said SOCIALIST/DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS BELIEVE that blacks can't survive without handouts from the gubbermint. READ IT AGAIN. If the words are too long, get somebody to help you.
Yep, you're a racist. If I raged against all black people because a group of blacks mugged me years ago, wouldn't I be a racist? If a black celebrity admits publicly that he voted for Lord Obama "because he's black", isn't he a racist? I don't know-- go ask Samuel L. Jackson.
Answer: yes, you are a racist. You can't get over whatever happened to you, so you seize on the easy way out: The Man (a white, middle-aged bald rich guy) is KEEPING YOU DOWN.
You're pretty pathetic. You can't come up with solid examples to back up your rage about Conservatives being "Nazi" (whoooooooo! Original!), you can't get over your hang-up, all you can do is blame all of your underachievement on The Man. Can't explain why the sperm donor to your kids isn't supporting. Is he gone because of The Man or did he lose interest?
I suggest you get over it. Being a "victim" is gutless. And boring.
provide ONE sentence (quoted) proving that I am racist. K?

I don't deal with my baggage the same as you. stop projecting and accusing and start ASKING!
anonymousofcours e

Honolulu, HI

#554 Jun 24, 2013
Stoneman wrote:
<quoted text>
Goodness GRACIOUS you have a hang-up! You are too blind with your racist rage toward white conservatives because of whatever somebody did to you to get my point! I said SOCIALIST/DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS BELIEVE that blacks can't survive without handouts from the gubbermint. READ IT AGAIN. If the words are too long, get somebody to help you.
Yep, you're a racist. If I raged against all black people because a group of blacks mugged me years ago, wouldn't I be a racist? If a black celebrity admits publicly that he voted for Lord Obama "because he's black", isn't he a racist? I don't know-- go ask Samuel L. Jackson.
Answer: yes, you are a racist. You can't get over whatever happened to you, so you seize on the easy way out: The Man (a white, middle-aged bald rich guy) is KEEPING YOU DOWN.
You're pretty pathetic. You can't come up with solid examples to back up your rage about Conservatives being "Nazi" (whoooooooo! Original!), you can't get over your hang-up, all you can do is blame all of your underachievement on The Man. Can't explain why the sperm donor to your kids isn't supporting. Is he gone because of The Man or did he lose interest?
I suggest you get over it. Being a "victim" is gutless. And boring.
Do you really think the masses are this stupid! YOu hope so! I never had failures. I survived all that was dished out! The point is that I should have never had to survive it in the first place especially as a single parent! How dare you criticise an assumption instead of asking me about my past. This proves who and what you are. I did not force you. you did it all by yourself. I have no control over my children as adults. But, white supremacist thought differently. Does my presence bother you? WhY? Me, a victim? you must be projecting AGAIN! This is not about me. it's about what AMerica professes that it is all about.......democracy!
You want more "fishing" info? You think I cannot take it? You're wrong! I can inform the public about how the ex was .....the long story...but I think you have already an idea. You want to verbally tango, ask me specific questions , and I will give you specific answers otherwise you are playing politics. And, I will take you up on that too. K?
Stoneman

Boise, ID

#555 Jun 24, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, but i could'nt even get past, "free screw pills".......BTW, Government assistance did'nt start with this President.....though, you'd like everyone to think that....
Of course vote-buying thru gubbermint handouts didn't start with Lord Obama. It was turned into an art form with FDR, purchasing him multiple terms as president in spite of his incompetence at fixing the Great Depression. Lord Obama is copying him precisely.

And thanks for illustrating how lefties can't get a point even if it's written in a coloring book for them. Yes, the Georgetown bimbo wanted free pills so she could engage in sex without worrying about getting knocked up. While attending one of the most expensive private colleges in the country. Conservatives asked about the logic in that, leftist pinheads howled about how we hate women.

Most of us get the irony of it. Pinheads can't.
OBNTG

Carol Stream, IL

#557 Jun 25, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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And he was basically sexually immoral and a suspected homosexual. Hitler would have favored "gay marriage". He was a middle aged man who had never married and did not marry until the day he decided to commit suicide. That is liberalism at its worse.
Read Jim Marrs "Rise of the Forth Reich" it shows just how much Hitler had it common with liberal progressives. It is quite the eye opener.
anonymousofcours e

Honolulu, HI

#558 Jun 25, 2013
all politics, religions, ideologies, philosophies have been vehicled for bad and good....it's not the vehicle it's the person behind it...for example, communism sounds utopian and good on paper, but when it's used and in reality, in order for everyone to be equal, you have to control and take away rights and freedoms. On paper it's not thought through all of the way.

.....same as , it's not a gun..it's the person holding the gun.....or the society managing them.

Hitler just hated and his target was Jews even though his bodyguard was a Jew and served in a high position in the Reich.

i'm politically an independent......I enjoy balance.
anonymousofcours e

Honolulu, HI

#559 Jun 25, 2013
correction: it's not the gun's fault , it's the person or society behind the gun that causes the violence. (which I agree with )

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#560 Jun 25, 2013
OBNTG wrote:
<quoted text>No he was socialist- left wing.
Left wing?

Some of his views are specifically from extreme right still nowadays. Look the endemic anti-immigration stance of the right, for example. If the Right is against Latino immigrants, in the same way Hitler was against the Slavs, Jews and all non-Germans in lands he deemed Germanic.

There are a hundred of examples.

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