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#1918
Dec 22, 2012
 
@Big smoke

Please define modernization, whats your criteria
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I'm going to buy sassyntrashy one day, I'm saving up for that purchase.
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#1920
Dec 22, 2012
 
dkanela wrote:
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Please define modernization, whats your criteria
''Industrialization'' I thought I made it clear.

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#1921
Dec 22, 2012
 
Very good question. I wouldn't buy anything in Africa nor any of the African countries. I would rather invest more into buying businesses and land in this country, the U.S. or even Haiti. It would be useless to buy or invest anything into African in my opinion. Most if not all of Africa's countries and their culture is just of so much contrast to what I'm used to. It's too much chaos over there and civil disapora amongst them for me to handle. It'd be natural to want to exploit their resources for your own benefit instead, much like the Chinese are doing now, because there is nothing else you can do with any of their countries unfortunately. I am looking into doing some sort of work in Haiti or with Haiti though.

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#1922
Dec 22, 2012
 
I think African Americans, in my opinion, should put more focus into Haiti and maybe investing there. I think Haiti could once again have a prosperous future. The people desperately need it and want it. It's just their incompetent leaders today.

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#1923
Dec 22, 2012
 
Bigsmoke wrote:
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Really yet 99.9% of western music isn't of European origin.
Western music originated in Europe. Look it up before I have to educate you again.

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#1924
Dec 22, 2012
 
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No it was a mutual trade between the African and European elite. Both sides started it.
No, Europeans started it when they started taking Africans across the Atlantic. Prior to that point, there was no Trans Atlantic Slave Trade.

Simple logic has the strange habit of evading you.
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An army which imports its main munitions relies heavily in those who import the munitions thus if in war with them they'd be cut off from munitions thus completely vulnerable.
Incompetence.
"If"? We are not concerning "if" here. We are concerning what was. They weren't importing weapons from their enemies so your "if" is invalidated.

How were they incompetent for importing weapons for use against the Europeans and other African raiders?

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Dec 22, 2012
 
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If you don't find selling human captives in return for muskets instead of making them yourself a sign of incompetence then I just have to question your logic.
Africans were not taught how to make muskets. The ones of the groups that did make them would have been of inferior quality, and it would have been more cost effective to buy them anyway.

You still haven't explained how importing weapons is a sign of incompetence.
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Industrialization = modernization.
No it doesn't. If it did, African nations would be modernized.

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#1926
Dec 22, 2012
 
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No 99.9% of Western music has its roots in Central-West African polyrhythms in genres made famous by ''African Americans'' and I forgot to mention Jamaicans.
Western music originated in Europe, by white people.
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Look at you now desperately trying to downplay music in culture.
I'm not trying to downplay anything. You have the strange habit overstating the value of things.

First industrialization, now music. I love music as much as anybody, but culture originates with social ideology, not music.

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sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>But you are not AA and you will never be.
You are not AA and you never will be.

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Dec 22, 2012
 
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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People modernize a country. Modernization takes place due to an amalgamation of factors, not just the use of mechanization. Political, economic, educational, and infrastructural reforms are what is needed and the most important aspects of modernization.
All industrializing does is increase the capacity for one to produce and build. Industrialization itself does not modernize anything.
Africans have been making efforts to industrialize for over 6 decades. Obviously, industrialization is not the key determinant here. The problem is a lot more complex than that.
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You offer no tenable substantiation for this illiteracy. The true problem with Africa is one which you refuse to acknowledge; namely, the fact that African governance has not politically, educationally, economically, and socially reformed their nations to manifest an environment conducive for development of the common people, at least not to the degree that would have rendered their nations much more further along than they are now.
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A fact is verifiable. That Africans are inherently less intellectually able than other groups is not. If that were the case, then Black African immigrants wouldn't be spanking Euros in academics, along with North Africans, Arabs, Mexicans, and the rest.
Sire,

Your thoughts and opinions are tedious in the extreme. Do tell the forum exactly how a nation can build infrastructure without first industrializing. LOL. You just talk for no other reason than that you like the sound of your own voice.

If you do not consider the FACT that Negroes have the lowest IQ's of any race of people, which is readily verifiable by looking at the scores of the SAT, ACT, LSAT, GRE, ASVAB, IQ, middle school and high school achievement tests, corporate, and government tests worldwide then you are a fool. The same results occur no matter where in the world Negroes are tested. Taking a non-random sample of a population in no way alters this FACT. Good day to you attorney general.

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#1929
Dec 22, 2012
 
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Says the guy typing from an industrialized country.
It clearly does.
Energy putting machines to work is not modern to you huh? Please go to a forest butt naked and try to survive by your own means. Lets see if you can come post on here again.
Your crippled way of rationalizing things is overly annoying.

Industrialization is a COMPONENT of the modern world and modernization.

It does not EQUAL modernization and it does not DEFINE the modern world.

Try industrializing without applying any economic, intellectual, educational, political, or social reform and see how far your stupid ass gets.

Oh yea, I forgot.

All you need to do is look at Africa to see how well that strategy worked out for them.

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#1930
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big mike M wrote:
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With industrialization life becomes easier and things are made faster.
You can have Advanced intellectualism, science,socialization..But you'll get your ńss whooped by other nations. Just ask the Chinese.
And you need industrialization to have those "advanced technology." Just ask the Union and British empire.
Advanced technology came way before industrialization, Mike. Industrialization did not bequeath advanced technology.

Advanced technology bequeathed industrialization.

I'm not saying that African countries shouldn't industrialize. That's what Bigsmoke keeps trying to paint my arguments as due to his illiteracy.

What I am saying is that industrialization DOES NOT equate to a modern country any more than MONEY equates to a modern country.

You people oversimplify complex issues. If industrialization was the main thing that Africa was missing, Africa would not be in the condition that it is in.

It is easy to spend money on machines, as that is exactly what the African leaders did when they first got into power, and guess what?

60 years later and they STILL have not modernized.

Once again, industrialization is a COMPONENT of development, it is not the TOTALITY of development, nor does it STEER development.

If you think that it is, then you don't understand what development is.

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LAcreole wrote:
I think African Americans, in my opinion, should put more focus into Haiti and maybe investing there. I think Haiti could once again have a prosperous future. The people desperately need it and want it. It's just their incompetent leaders today.
I completely agree with this. This is exactly what I said actually.

Haiti, Bahia, Guyana, Belize, these places would all be great for AA's to invest and help build with their diasporic kin.

I would personally love to see AA's do exactly this.

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#1932
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bozino wrote:
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Sire,
Your thoughts and opinions are tedious in the extreme. Do tell the forum exactly how a nation can build infrastructure without first industrializing. LOL. You just talk for no other reason than that you like the sound of your own voice.
That's interesting. I always think the exact same thing about you.

Would you like to tell the forum exactly how China managed to build infrastructure before industrialization ever having existed?
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If you do not consider the FACT that Negroes have the lowest IQ's of any race of people, which is readily verifiable by looking at the scores of the SAT, ACT, LSAT, GRE, ASVAB, IQ, middle school and high school achievement tests, corporate, and government tests worldwide then you are a fool. The same results occur no matter where in the world Negroes are tested. Taking a non-random sample of a population in no way alters this FACT. Good day to you attorney general.
Thank you for that oration. Now please tell me what the scores on those tests were when they were strictly comparing African immigrants with other immigrants.

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Dec 22, 2012
 
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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I completely agree with this. This is exactly what I said actually.
Haiti, Bahia, Guyana, Belize, these places would all be great for AA's to invest and help build with their diasporic kin.
I would personally love to see AA's do exactly this.
I was actually going to mention Belize as an investment as well earlier in the last post, but I don't feel the need to invest there. I wouldn't mind seeing it even if some choose to invest in African nations. I see no harm in that. My focus would personally be in Haiti because the history there in them having some sort of control and economic boom at one point until the corrupt leaders came in. They've revolted before and someday they will do it again. I would invest there also because it's the poorest country in all of the west over here. I personally feel connected to them myself because of the role they played in the revolution of New Orleans. But all of this wouldn't be such a bad idea at all.

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LAcreole wrote:
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I was actually going to mention Belize as an investment as well earlier in the last post, but I don't feel the need to invest there. I wouldn't mind seeing it even if some choose to invest in African nations. I see no harm in that. My focus would personally be in Haiti because the history there in them having some sort of control and economic boom at one point until the corrupt leaders came in. They've revolted before and someday they will do it again. I would invest there also because it's the poorest country in all of the west over here. I personally feel connected to them myself because of the role they played in the revolution of New Orleans. But all of this wouldn't be such a bad idea at all.
Yes, AA's and Haitians have probably had the closest relations out of the diasporic groups.

Haiti has historically placed great importance on AA expatriation and contribution to Haiti, even having inviting us to live and work there.

Even in this day, Haiti still welcomes AA investment.

If AA's did start funneling investments into Haiti, it would become a Black stronghold in the West; a true inspiration for all the other diasporans, and possibly even Africans.

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#1935
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Bakari Neferu wrote:
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Yes, AA's and Haitians have probably had the closest relations out of the diasporic groups.
Haiti has historically placed great importance on AA expatriation and contribution to Haiti, even having inviting us to live and work there.
Even in this day, Haiti still welcomes AA investment.
If AA's did start funneling investments into Haiti, it would become a Black stronghold in the West; a true inspiration for all the other diasporans, and possibly even Africans.
I totally agree. Haiti has hope I believe because they want more. They would be a model for everyone else in the community around the world once their country get back on its feet. What did you think of the artist from the group The Fugees trying to run for President of Haiti? Do you think he would've been good for Haiti or not?

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So sad that too many of us still don't see the big picture.
Laceole wants to invest in Haiti but not Africa? Whats the difference? It really means that many of you know very little about africa. More information is needed for many of you.

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#1937
Dec 22, 2012
 
dkanela wrote:
So sad that too many of us still don't see the big picture.
Laceole wants to invest in Haiti but not Africa? Whats the difference? It really means that many of you know very little about africa. More information is needed for many of you.
I knew one black person would come on here getting upset about my own personal decision or opinion to not wanting to invest into Africa. Landscape and aspirations are the differences between the two. Don't give me the "we're all Africans and belong to the motherland" education lesson because I know that's where you're going to next. Why not invest into Haiti? Give me some reasons not to invest into Haiti. I can agree to disagree with you. Likek I stated before, I think it's awesome that some black Americans wouldn't mind investing into Africa, but truth of the matter is I'm not your sheep boy.

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