Should African Americans buy Africa?
AFRICAN GODS

Sweden

#1775 Dec 8, 2012
-AAA-

Hockley, TX

#1777 Dec 8, 2012
ashanti king wrote:
<quoted text>So how come Barack obama and Colin Powell are

I mean aas that mean something to the aa community and not some Uncle Tom who thinks blacks are trash.
They aren't, they're regarded as "Black" men.

Better me than a non-AA Black person.
-AAA-

Hockley, TX

#1778 Dec 8, 2012
AFRICAN GODS wrote:
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Why don't yÓu post those links as Neferu requested!! Since you preach industrialization tell me one thing you have in you life that wasn't inverted by a white Man?? Why haven't you "aa" industalized anything except guns and strippers?? Get the hell outta this Forum and back to selling drugs plus keep on Smoking your little smoke but not on the forum stupid moronic "aa" with a "slave" mentality!!
Bigsmoke is Sudanese not AA!

And you and I both know what he posted is the truth.

You're so black, so dumb.

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#1779 Dec 8, 2012
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Non productive cultures
2. Most native leaders since 15th century being incompetent
3. Decolonization/Cold War effects on politics & economics (civil wars & external debts)
To me that is why in a nutshell.
i understand that something is behind all of africas major problems, i was just trying to get that dummy i originally posted to straight while he was finding it convenient to slander blamerican people.

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#1780 Dec 8, 2012
AFRICAN GODS wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't yÓu post those links as Neferu requested!! Since you preach industrialization tell me one thing you have in you life that wasn't inverted by a white Man?? Why haven't you "aa" industalized anything except guns and strippers?? Get the hell outta this Forum and back to selling drugs plus keep on Smoking your little smoke but not on the forum stupid moronic "aa" with a "slave" mentality!!
bigsmoke is not AA.
AFRICAN GODS

Sweden

#1781 Dec 9, 2012
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
bigsmoke is not AA.
Like I fuckingg Care!! Then he shudn't act like one!!
AFRICAN GODS

Sweden

#1782 Dec 9, 2012
-AAA- wrote:
<quoted text>
Bigsmoke is Sudanese not AA!
And you and I both know what he posted is the truth.
You're so black, so dumb.
And you are so Greyy, so confused!!
AFRICAN GODS

Sweden

#1783 Dec 9, 2012
I would take advice/views bout africa from my fellow AFRICANS and other Races but never from an "aa"

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1784 Dec 9, 2012
big mike M wrote:
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Thanks. I believe Ghana has the potential to become an African rising star in the future. Ghana just needs to INDUSTRIALIZE....I believe Ghana should follow Kwame Nkrumah vision again..They have the potential to succeed.
Ghana just needs industrialization.
For starters, no, Ghana does not "just" need industrializing. Industrialization is really just the mechanization of the production of goods. It is but ONE important aspect of development. It is by NO MEANS the only, main, or MOST important aspect of development.

I just want to make this point indubitably clear.

In one of my last debates with Bigsmoke, he deduced that Africa needed to place industrialization as the top priority.

This means he believes that industrialization is more important that water accessibility, sanitation, infrastructural development, education, intellectual reform, political reform, economic reform, internal investment, educational reform, energy, etc., etc.,

Agricultural and infrastructural development are the most important things Africa needs right now. Right now, most of Africa's workforce is in agriculture, but a lot of the techniques used to generate surplus among most farmers is outdated and inefficient.

Bigsmoke advocates that they simply mechanize agriculture, which is fine, but the thing is, a lot of these farmers do not possess the capital to be able to purchase the types of heavy machinery that developed countries use, which means that money towards these types of investments of machines will potentially affect much less people than would be the case if less costly methods were used.

One of Africa's great assets is its large labor force. Because there is so much low cost labor around, there is more human energy that is available to compensate for lack of capital.

For example, in Africa, you have African farmers using outdated methods of cereal grinding, using things like rocks or handmade artifacts designed to pulverize seeds for flour making. This is both labor intensive and largely inefficient as it takes more seed to create a certain amount of flour. A mill is usually used to solve these kinds of problems as they generate more flour per amount of seed than the previous method I illustrated. Obviously, they also do it at a much faster rate than any human could. However, a mill costs a lot of money generally. It costs a lot of money to buy and to maintain because it typically relies on some type of fuel. The cost might be more or less acceptable on a large scale farm, but most farmers in Africa are small farmers and are not responsible for feeding as many people as a large scale farmer would. They would also have much less capital to outlay at first.

Instead of this, one might simply invest in a few hand mills, manned by a few family members or other villagers to still create just as an efficient a rate of flour output with less cost upfront and on the back-end. Investing in these less costly hand mills would prove to have much higher demand among small farmers, the majority of Africa's farmers, than the more costly and bulky mills you would see on larger farms.

This means that you would be able to reach and benefit way more people than you would otherwise with the same amount of money spent on heavy machinery.

I tried to explain this simple concept to Bigsmoke, but because he is an illiterate, he didn't manage to understand plain english.

Infrastructure is also crucial, and would also not need to involve advanced and costly building projects. Roads for example would need to be built to facilitate transport of goods, however, they need not be the types of high-quality roads you see in more developed countries as they are cost intensive, and actually generate lower benefit per cost ratios than low quality roads in developing areas, which means the exact same money will be better spent on low quality roads than on high quality, cost intensive roads.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1785 Dec 9, 2012
Education is crucial. I have read articles written by Africans lamenting that education only teaches them how to get jobs that are usually not even readily available by the time they graduate from school. This is why Africa needs educational reform. Bigsmoke made the mention of Africa needing to focus increasing the number of middle class workers because he assumes they will be more politically savvy.

This is not a bad thing, but the focus should not be on creating more people looking for jobs in an economy that already has a vastly limited supply of them to begin with.

The focus should be teaching people how to create their own jobs and become entrepreneurial, as this will not only help more students earn money, but will add more jobs to the economy. People should be taught industrial skills like carpentry, wielding, electric wiring and installing...things that will actually make them more viable to developing economies needing people to do construction work. They need to focus more on teaching people how to appease banks, receive capital, as well to encourage business startup in fields like agriculture, transportation, energy, etc. These things will increase the diversity and dexterity in the African economies, rendering them more viable to the citizens of the land. There should also be guilds created accompanied by apprenticeship programs so that the youth will be well on their way to being employable before they even graduate.

Teaching people how to start and run businesses, or become self employable, the types of businesses they should get involved in, and how to generate capital or receive funding is way more important than teaching people how to be good workers.

These things are what should be "top priority", but do not fall under the umbrella of industrialization. Bigsmoke is obviously too mentally dysfunctional to understand these simplistic concepts.

I hope you do.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1786 Dec 9, 2012
Bigsmoke wrote:
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It really did considering it is an African country and it is the only one which has industrialized.
No, South Africa industrializing has nothing to do with this conversation.
Bigsmoke wrote:
It wasn't a plan it was a trade hence why it's called the Atlantic Slave ''TRADE''.
It was mutual trade between European merchants and African Kingdoms/states.
You act as though they were forced to sell at gun point.
I act as though Europeans started the Atlantic Slave Trade, therefore the Atlantic Slave Trade was a plan of their devising.
Bigsmoke wrote:
Times change, those who don't change with the times get left behind. The medieval times were over before the subject we're discussing here.
So in other words, you concede that I completely ripped your feeble argument a new assh0le.
Bigsmoke wrote:
I'm very much ahead of you in this conversation I suggest you take your own advice.
You just said that Africans in the 15 century upward had non productive cultures and just showed that they have plenty production going on, and thus again, ripped your feeble argument an entirely new assh0le.
Bigsmoke wrote:
They didn't modernize and have yet to do so....
They used modern weaponry to fight in battles and thus, modernized their military. So again, explain how they were incompetent.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1787 Dec 9, 2012
Bigsmoke wrote:
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Spin it which ever way you want post some afrocentric sources if you will but history shows us that native African leaders, most if not all since the 15th century have been incompetent.
History shows us nothing of the sort. Just your illiterate beliefs with nothing to back them.

Afrocentric?

Yea, just because I know what happened in Africa and why, and you don't.
Bigsmoke wrote:
Africa is the poorest continent in the world Europe is the richest continent. In the 15th century Africa and Europe were roughly around the same in wealth and development.
What happened then to make them the polar opposite today wise guy?
The profits gained from the slave trade grew European economies, and their growth in wealth led to the advancement of their their social system of capitalism. This type of environment proved more conducive to technological innovation with these societies than in Africa. Africa was less conducive to this type of innovation because many were engaged in the slave trade, which was more profitable, and thus, more favorable to traders than manufacturers, which led to a decline in innovation in such societies. The many who were not directly involved in the slave trade did not advance to the capitalist social construct because there was little pressure for their to be on their native lands, unlike in Europe where the urban populations were becoming more dense and thus required more efficient use of available resources.

When Europe finally industrialized, they began to increase strengthen their imperial influence, ensuring them resources as fuel for their growing economies and the building of their societies, meanwhile, Africans' economies were soon to be stunted by the on-bringing of colonialism under which, no African society was going to be do much of any building, at least not for themselves.

Once the Europeans left with their wealth, technology, and security in tact, the flood of competent political agitators, but incompetent nation runners began to take seat in the newly formed governments they had helped to win independence for.

Because of the incompetence of these new heads, the new governments became victoms of mismanagement, bad investments, corruption, sky high inflation, rising food prices, civil strive, neglect, poverty, social disorder, and a whole bunch of other things.

That is what happened to make them the polar opposite today.
Bigsmoke wrote:
And your mere words are evidence huh?
No, my mere evidence is evidence.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1788 Dec 9, 2012
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not interested in your homosexual fantasies or who you value.
I'm not interested in your salaciously fetishizing Euro jock piece.
Bigsmoke wrote:
From the 15th century up until recent times they have.
The USA has put man on the moon, developed nuclear weapons, annually produces 25% of the entire worlds wealth to name a few things..... You really going to compare the USA to any West African civilization.
Yes, because in terms of longevity, West African civilizations lasted longer.
Bigsmoke wrote:
No it isn't. Last time I checked Russians are not western and I'm not white.
Yes it is, because the last time I checked, Western culture emanates from white history, white ideology, and white people.
Bigsmoke wrote:
Yet you were kissing eurocentric a$$ in another thread.
You're not rational. You're just rambling emotionally.
I've never kissed any eurocentric a$$ in any thread. Perhaps you'd like to show me exactly what you are referring to.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1789 Dec 9, 2012
big mike M wrote:
Bakari western culture is NOT white...
That's exactly what is. Western culture centers on white ideology, white history, and white people.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1791 Dec 9, 2012
big mike M wrote:
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You seem to have a distaste for AA's...
I have a strong distaste for individuals and ideas I find distasteful.

Take Bigsmoke's illiteracy for example: I find Bigsmoke's complete and unending illiteracy utterly distasteful.

I wouldn't mind it so much if he kept his illiteracy to himself, but the fact that he seems adamant about relinquishing it all over this forum, and about Africa especially, this is simply uncalled for.
big mike M wrote:
The AA's who migrated to Liberia and became Liberians along time ago aren't the same as the current AA's in the US.
AA's can't just wake up and say "hey, I want to invest in different countries." Its not that simple.
Like I said, AA's need to be guy. And I already posted a video of AA'ss investing in South Africa. How do you know AA's are not investing in different countries?
It's not a few individuals doing spending money in Africa. It's just I don't really see much of it. I mean, I can see that Nigerians has contributed to countries like Ethiopia, the Congo, and Botswana.

I can't see the same for AA's.

The thing that really perplexes me is this whole thing about starting new nation.

South Sudan in planning to procure over 500 billion dollars over the next ten years to develop its country and people.

Now, let's say AA's were only looking for something around 100 billion, or even 50 billion to start with, to build their supposed new nation.

If they could even get a hold of that kind of money, it would be better used to build on an existing Black state rather than a new one, because those people need it more than AA's do.
big mike M wrote:
I'm pretty sure many AA's were helping out with Haiti after the earthquake. Anyways I really don't understand what's with you demonizing AA's. AA's really need to fix ourselves in America(which we are doing)...
I didn't demonize anybody. I simply said that AA's don't need a new nation when they have not done much of anything with the nations that are already in operation. If anything, I would advocate that those interested in establishing a base outside Western countries to simply start by setting up colonies in Black countries with the mentality of not just starting a business or two, and simply hiring local people, but creating an actual self sufficient, self sustaining economy like the colonists did in America. They came here and just decided to set up shop and build an economy virtually from scratch. I mean could you imagine AA's doing what the Nigerians did with Aduja? That's something I would love to see AA's do for and in any given African country, or Black state like Haiti or Bahia or somewhere.

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“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1792 Dec 9, 2012
***It's not >about< few individuals doing spending money in Africa
Bigsmoke

Farnham, UK

#1793 Dec 9, 2012
AFRICAN GODS wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't yÓu post those links as Neferu requested!! Since you preach industrialization tell me one thing you have in you life that wasn't inverted by a white Man?? Why haven't you "aa" industalized anything except guns and strippers?? Get the hell outta this Forum and back to selling drugs plus keep on Smoking your little smoke but not on the forum stupid moronic "aa" with a "slave" mentality!!
I'm not ''African American'' silly.
Bigsmoke

Farnham, UK

#1794 Dec 9, 2012
AFRICAN GODS wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep shut we the most educated ppl on earth sadly most of our leaders are oldskool and that I will admit but that is because some of them even aren't the educated ones!! My generation are the ones who are gonna set things right that I pledge!! Oooooh so you wanna count your self AFRICAN hahahaha tell me what country you originally from?? Maybe Lesotho hahaha dumb A$$!
Really? Literacy rates of most African countries tell me otherwise.

Modern day = 50% North Sudan + 25% South Africa + 25% somewhere in west Africa; Nigeria or Sierra Leone. Pretty much all regions of Africa is in my ancestry but I'm from the UK.

Aint I special?

:)
Bigsmoke

Farnham, UK

#1795 Dec 9, 2012
AFRICAN GODS wrote:
Anybody calling south Africa industrialized is only celebrating the white mans success!! Look up statistics since when south africa gained independence from the whites you'll see they've been on a downward spin!! Enjoy a Black success story such as Nigeria/west africa and stop being A$$ lickers!! You call south africa developed but extra judicially killings of White farmers are Rampant in south africa now tell me who does this barbaric acts except ppl with a under developed brain!! Yepp we NIGERIAN are greedy, scammers etc but yet we still got a brain for Business not killing a generation of whiteys who had no hand in Slave trade/colonization!!
South Africa
--------
Exports (focus on the blue ones)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Rail network
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Nuclear power plant
http://www.eskom.co.za/content/koeberg.jpg

Nigeria
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Exports
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Rail network
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Nuclear power plants?

“Try harder :)”

Level 8

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#1796 Dec 9, 2012
Bakari Neferu wrote:
Education is crucial. I have read articles written by Africans lamenting that education only teaches them how to get jobs that are usually not even readily available by the time they graduate from school. This is why Africa needs educational reform. Bigsmoke made the mention of Africa needing to focus increasing the number of middle class workers because he assumes they will be more politically savvy.
This is not a bad thing, but the focus should not be on creating more people looking for jobs in an economy that already has a vastly limited supply of them to begin with.
The focus should be teaching people how to create their own jobs and become entrepreneurial, as this will not only help more students earn money, but will add more jobs to the economy. People should be taught industrial skills like carpentry, wielding, electric wiring and installing...things that will actually make them more viable to developing economies needing people to do construction work. They need to focus more on teaching people how to appease banks, receive capital, as well to encourage business startup in fields like agriculture, transportation, energy, etc. These things will increase the diversity and dexterity in the African economies, rendering them more viable to the citizens of the land. There should also be guilds created accompanied by apprenticeship programs so that the youth will be well on their way to being employable before they even graduate.
Teaching people how to start and run businesses, or become self employable, the types of businesses they should get involved in, and how to generate capital or receive funding is way more important than teaching people how to be good workers.
These things are what should be "top priority", but do not fall under the umbrella of industrialization. Bigsmoke is obviously too mentally dysfunctional to understand these simplistic concepts.
I hope you do.
I understand NOT ONLY industrialization...But industrialization is important because it modernizes a country.

The USA grew because of industrialization.
With industrialization you can build the infrastructure FASTER. With industrialization agriculture would be better and faster.

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