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As an African American would you go (back) to Africa?

Created by DeeQueen on Apr 3, 2012

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“Africa”

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Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#636 May 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
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Maybe your "title" tells us who & WHAT YOU really are.
No one will tell Africans which "part" of Africa.... they can & can't embrace. The divide & conquer ploys are OVER. Africans through the diaspora can and should embrace any and ALL things African.
Divide and conquer ploys don't have anything to do with AA's/afrocentrist self hatred and constant fleeing from their own ancestry in favor of a make-believe ancient past.

Egyptians, and north Africans in general, hardly even "embrace" other Black Africans, let alone AA's. Any Black person wishing to 'embrace' non-Black people who do not even see themselves as having anything to do with you is nothing more than self hatred/low self esteem.
trollslayer wrote:
Fact is DNA genealogy tests on where AA's are suppose to be from in Africa e.g. "west Africa" is bogus and proven to be only 5% accurate of that much. I have the study. Pinpointing with even 50% accuracy where a group PPL. are from..... is painstakingly impossible.
AA's are from West/Central Africa. Show me a study that says anything different. The only other place some AA's come from, nominally, is southern Africa.

Nowhere near Egypt.
trollslayer wrote:
2) Africans were taken throughout Africa and BROUGHT to the west coast of Africa.
Says who? Nobody.

They were taken primarily from West/Central Africa, and is evidenced by the fact that they cluster genetically with such peoples.

They weren't taken from the Horn.

They weren't taken from Sudan.

They weren't taken from Algeria or Libya.

And they weren't taken from Egypt.
trollslayer wrote:
Bottom line....NO ONE can say for sure that ALL AA's are from "WEST Africa". The constant "AA's are from WEST Africa" is quite ERRONEOUS and is used to further DIVIDE Africans (throughout the diaspora).
I'm sorry, but this right here is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard from you. And you're using extreme language like "all" when no one ever said all. We're speaking in general terms here.

The Atlantic slave trade promoted by West European empires (15th–19th centuries) forcibly moved at least 11
million people from Africa, including about one-third from west-central Africa, to European and American destinations. The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) genome has retained an imprint of this process, but previous analyses lacked west-central African data. Here, we make use of an African database of 4,860 mtDNAs, which include 948 mtDNA sequences from west-central Africa and a further 154 from the southwest, and compare these for the first time with a publicly available database of 1,148 African Americans from the United States that contains 1,053 mtDNAs of sub-Saharan ancestry. We show that >55% of the U.S. lineages have a West African ancestry, with <41% coming from west-central or southwestern Africa. These results are remarkably similar to the most up-todate analyses of the historical record.

AA's are West Africa predominantly. Those that aren't are either Central or Southern African. That is it.

No one is dividing anything. AA's come from West/Central Africa with some genetic components coming form other SOUTHERLY bantu people.

In other words, AA's are N][ger Congolese with some Chadic. Nothing to do with Egypt.
trollslayer wrote:
YES, WEST Africa was a departure point, but it doesn't mean ALL AA's came from there.
No one ever said all, but that is the majority.

"This latter work suggested a majority contribution of West Africa to the mtDNA pool of North and Central Americans of recent African descent, with a slightly smaller component from west-central Africa...No significant component was detected from other regions..."

"No significant component was detected from other regions"

Meaning nothing come from Egypt, as can clearly be seen here.

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
epic

South San Francisco, CA

#637 May 26, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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Admiring and 'claiming' are two different things. Why is it that you people get so offended when Caucasians claim Ancient Egypt, but you don't have a problem doing it yourselves?
White people claiming Egypt does not bother me. They can claim all of Africa if they want. Who are we to question what people claim? I'm not a Afrocentric, Black Nationalist nor Pan African. I don't see color but human beings.
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#638 May 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe your "title" tells us who & WHAT YOU really are.

No one will tell Africans which "part" of Africa.... they can & can't embrace. The divide & conquer ploys are OVER. Africans through the diaspora can and should embrace any and ALL things African.

_____

Fact is DNA genealogy tests on where AA's are suppose to be from in Africa e.g. "west Africa" is bogus and proven to be only 5% accurate of that much. I have the study. Pinpointing with even 50% accuracy where a group PPL. are from..... is painstakingly impossible.

2) Africans were taken throughout Africa and BROUGHT to the west coast of Africa. Bottom line....NO ONE can say for sure that ALL AA's are from "WEST Africa". The constant "AA's are from WEST Africa" is quite ERRONEOUS and is used to further DIVIDE Africans (throughout the diaspora).

YES, WEST Africa was a departure point, but it doesn't mean ALL AA's came from there.
Yes, we are from west Africa.
spicy mike

Portland, OR

#639 May 26, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
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if you just minded your business, you would have saved yourself a lot of frustration. im still trying to figure our how your lowly, nobody behind became vicar over what we decide to discuss and be interested in...
that kraka has no business,remember they still think the rich white brothern need them for slave patrol,they have been trick into beleving the pink skin puts them in the same catagory as there rich white brotheren who dont give a shit about them,you know hes trash,because pink people who are about somthing dont waste time on black forums,there to busy trying to captolize on there pink skin,remember they were brought here aganist there will=bannished from europe,if we ignore them we take there mental energy away from them,and the more we concentrate on us the less we pay attention to them,and when we pay no attention to them they wont exist anymore,TRY THIS the next time you see a kraka ignore him and watch there reaction, SO DONT GET MADD AT THEM THERE JUST DOING WHAT THEY WERE CREATED TO DO,CAUSE AS MUCH CHAOS,CONFUSION and DESTRUCTION=EVIL
Earl

Hyde Park, MA

#640 May 26, 2013
I wouldn't mind, just like I wouldn't mind the Caribbean, and other places but to be honest most AAs don't care for Africa
spicy mike

Portland, OR

#641 May 26, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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Yes, we are from west Africa.
ask yourself,how could 2 boatloads of pink people,who could'nt read or write until the 16th century ace, who thought the world was flat,still suffering from the blue-bonic plaque,could'nt cook there food right, get on a boat come to america,REMEMBER when the came here they thought they were in INDIA,then get back on the boat's go to AFRICA, another place they never been, get 100-200 million african as slaves,come back to america,and build a nation,remember they could'nt read maps, PHYS,IMPOSSIBLE, 200 million africans taken from africa,there would be no africans left in africa today,where are all the slave ships,im quite sure with what they say 200 million africans being taken,they must be some evidence of all thoese slave ships needed to bring 200 million people.you mean to tell me 2 boatloads of whites can do all that come on i know you were'nt born last night,OK, YOU-TUBE WALTER ASHBY KLECKER, he was the 1st mortician in the 1st penal colony call the state of VIRGINA today, He was a WHITE SUPREMIST who changed the death certificates from INDEGIOUS TO AFRICAN, PEACE
spicy mike

Portland, OR

#642 May 26, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we are from west Africa.
80% of the people who call themselves AA or BLACK were allready here, YOU-TUBE OR GOOGLE IN TH NAME WALTER ASHBY KLECKER, a white supremist and !st mortician of the 1st penal colony,called the staate of VIRGINA now, HE CHANGED THE DEATH CERTIFICATE'S FROM INDEGIOUS TO AFRICAN OR NEGRO, we have been on this PLANET FOR 3 1/2 MILLION YEARS,WERE THE ONLY TRUE INDEGIOUS PEOPLE'S ON THIS ENTIRE PLANET, as a matter of fact most ARCHEGOLOGIST KNOW THIS IS OUR PLANET, BLACK POWER
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#643 May 26, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
Divide and conquer ploys don't have anything to do with AA's/afrocentrist self hatred and constant fleeing from their own ancestry in favor of a make-believe ancient past.
Who's "fleeing from African history"? Africans where ever they are have a right to study any part of African history they want....and doesn't MEAN they are claiming anything. Even if they were it's better than trying to be "white" or using whites as a standard to validate whats right wrong. I could give to craps what a "white study" says about Africa...if it's negative, which it usually is. Anytime a black person disagrees with a white summation they become "afrocentric"....bac k in the 60's and 70's it was "black militant". Just a lotta' b.s. labels to divide blacks.
__________

"Fact is DNA genealogy tests on where AA's are suppose to be from in Africa e.g. "west Africa" is bogus and proven to be only 5% accurate of that much. I have the study. Pinpointing with even 50% accuracy where a group PPL. are from..... is painstakingly impossible."
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#644 May 26, 2013
spicy mike wrote:
<quoted text>80% of the people who call themselves AA or BLACK were allready here, YOU-TUBE OR GOOGLE IN TH NAME WALTER ASHBY KLECKER, a white supremist and !st mortician of the 1st penal colony,called the staate of VIRGINA now, HE CHANGED THE DEATH CERTIFICATE'S FROM INDEGIOUS TO AFRICAN OR NEGRO, we have been on this PLANET FOR 3 1/2 MILLION YEARS,WERE THE ONLY TRUE INDEGIOUS PEOPLE'S ON THIS ENTIRE PLANET, as a matter of fact most ARCHEGOLOGIST KNOW THIS IS OUR PLANET, BLACK POWER
...thanks for the info. Of course this was originally a black....which is why I don't why PPL. don't embrace the fact that Blacks or PPL. of Black descent can be found anywhere on earth.

Or sure....if a person tells the truth about the origins of the 1st PPL. on earth...they are labeled "black militant" or "afrocentric".
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#645 May 26, 2013
The majority of PPL. in Egypt now are Arab. Yes, there are still indigenous blacks in Egypt too. I don't think anyone is claiming Arabs as the original Egyptians or claiming to be Arab.

Fact of the matter is there are still Africans from the West coast of Africa who view AA's as "slaves" who share nothing with them.
spicy mike

Portland, OR

#646 May 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's "fleeing from African history"? Africans where ever they are have a right to study any part of African history they want....and doesn't MEAN they are claiming anything. Even if they were it's better than trying to be "white" or using whites as a standard to validate whats right wrong. I could give to craps what a "white study" says about Africa...if it's negative, which it usually is. Anytime a black person disagrees with a white summation they become "afrocentric"....bac k in the 60's and 70's it was "black militant". Just a lotta' b.s. labels to divide blacks.
__________
"Fact is DNA genealogy tests on where AA's are suppose to be from in Africa e.g. "west Africa" is bogus and proven to be only 5% accurate of that much. I have the study. Pinpointing with even 50% accuracy where a group PPL. are from..... is painstakingly impossible."
Let's not forget, the same people who (tried) to keep us ignorant, are the same people who have kept the poor white masses ignorant,as a matter of fact,they were there 1st subject's,while in europe,the king's,queen.s,pope's,jesuit's ,who used to burn them in oil,impaled,drowned,hung,just for speaking out,or going aganist the church, remember the european medtagology is based on the atlantic's theory=there subject's are to stupid to think for themselve's,so they need to be told what to do,i think we give the pink people to much credit,THERE NOT INTELIGENT,DONT get emotional with them there IGNORANT

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#647 May 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's "fleeing from African history"? Africans where ever they are have a right to study any part of African history they want....and doesn't MEAN they are claiming anything.
But that's exactly what they are doing. They are "claiming" non-Black people as Black people, as well as "claiming" them as part of Black history, which is ridiculous.
trollslayer wrote:
Even if they were it's better than trying to be "white" or using whites as a standard to validate whats right wrong.
Deluding yourself into thinking your ancestors were Egyptians isn't 'better' than trying to be 'white'. It's just another form of self hatred/self-delusion.

Neither are better or worse than the other.
trollslayer wrote:
I could give to craps what a "white study" says about Africa...if it's negative, which it usually is.
What is 'negative' is or is not is your own opinion, and therefore irrelevant to any test's validity.

There's nothing 'negative' about not having anything to do with Egypt, Moors, Olmecs, or any of that other crap.

They are called FACTS.
trollslayer wrote:
Anytime a black person disagrees with a white summation they become "afrocentric"....bac k in the 60's and 70's it was "black militant". Just a lotta' b.s. labels to divide blacks.
No one is dividing anyone. AA's have zero to do with Ancient Egyptians. End of.

There is no division of Blacks that you keep bemoaning about.
trollslayer wrote:
"Fact is DNA genealogy tests on where AA's are suppose to be from in Africa e.g. "west Africa" is bogus and proven to be only 5% accurate of that much. I have the study. Pinpointing with even 50% accuracy where a group PPL. are from..... is painstakingly impossible."
This means nothing. Exact detection of which specific African ethnic group(s) a particular AA might be a descendant of is not what we are concerning here, and you know it. So why are you even bringing this irrelevance up?

We are concerning which African population clusters AA's are most closely related to, which just so happens to be.......

West/Central Africa. Gee, what a surprise.

Like I said, if you have a study that says anything different, or that those studies I presented are flawed, or 'only 5% accurate', then bring them forth, otherwise, what I presented is perfectly valid, and proves the point I've been making since the beginning:

AA's have absolutely nothing to do with Egyptians.
trollslayer wrote:
The majority of PPL. in Egypt now are Arab.
No they're not, and you have no evidence of this. The majority of people in Egypt are Egyptian, descendants of the same Ancient Egyptians that built all those pretty pyramids and tombs.
trollslayer wrote:
Yes, there are still indigenous blacks in Egypt too. I don't think anyone is claiming Arabs as the original Egyptians or claiming to be Arab.
Fact of the matter is there are still Africans from the West coast of Africa who view AA's as "slaves" who share nothing with them.
So because some West Africans don't like you that means you must not be West African.

Is the point we are expected to extrapolate from this?
Self hating tools

Ashburn, VA

#648 May 26, 2013
You negroes are such losers. No wonder Africans are so ashamed of you and the egyptians and moors that you claim don't even see you as human beings.
Self hating tools

Ashburn, VA

#649 May 26, 2013
spicy mike wrote:
<quoted text>80% of the people who call themselves AA or BLACK were allready here, YOU-TUBE OR GOOGLE IN TH NAME WALTER ASHBY KLECKER, a white supremist and !st mortician of the 1st penal colony,called the staate of VIRGINA now, HE CHANGED THE DEATH CERTIFICATE'S FROM INDEGIOUS TO AFRICAN OR NEGRO, we have been on this PLANET FOR 3 1/2 MILLION YEARS,WERE THE ONLY TRUE INDEGIOUS PEOPLE'S ON THIS ENTIRE PLANET, as a matter of fact most ARCHEGOLOGIST KNOW THIS IS OUR PLANET, BLACK POWER
my alias^
Self hating tools

Ashburn, VA

#650 May 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's "fleeing from African history"? Africans where ever they are have a right to study any part of African history they want....and doesn't MEAN they are claiming anything. Even if they were it's better than trying to be "white" or using whites as a standard to validate whats right wrong. I could give to craps what a "white study" says about Africa...if it's negative, which it usually is. Anytime a black person disagrees with a white summation they become "afrocentric"....bac k in the 60's and 70's it was "black militant". Just a lotta' b.s. labels to divide blacks.
__________
"Fact is DNA genealogy tests on where AA's are suppose to be from in Africa e.g. "west Africa" is bogus and proven to be only 5% accurate of that much. I have the study. Pinpointing with even 50% accuracy where a group PPL. are from..... is painstakingly impossible."
Your whole argument is rubbish because most of you self hating fools harldy discuss anything that has to do with your black African ancestors. You maybe of west, central, east and southern African descend but non of you tools are of Egypt descend, so why are you always discussing egypt which has nothing to do with you negrocentric imbeciles? Egypt this, egypt that. There are more threads here about egypt which has nothing to do with you than threads about all sub saharan civilizations and cultures combined.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#651 May 27, 2013
Self hating tools wrote:
<quoted text> Your whole argument is rubbish because most of you self hating fools harldy discuss anything that has to do with your black African ancestors. You maybe of west, central, east and southern African descend but non of you tools are of Egypt descend, so why are you always discussing egypt which has nothing to do with you negrocentric imbeciles? Egypt this, egypt that. There are more threads here about egypt which has nothing to do with you than threads about all sub saharan civilizations and cultures combined.
Kemet was ORIGINALLY BLACK and is a country on the continent of AFRICA. There are STILL Blacks in Kemet. Hell YOU don't even know the real name of the place. I guess since they split the Sudan, that country was never Black too ...right? Africans can discuss any country in Africa. Africans can bond with any African culture.
Hell you've got whites running around calling themselves "egyptologist"...yet ancient Kemet has nothing to do with them. Your time would be spent railing on them.

Just because ARABS are in Egypt NOW does not mean they were always there. READ THIS AGAIN. Nobody said AA's are Arab.

Your statements are typical of whites try to divide & conquer Africans. Coming to a AA forum trying to tell PPL. who they are, what and who they are to discuss, study etc. It's the colonial ploy that was used to colonize Africa. Pit one against the other.

Ancient Kemet IS part of Africa (non-white) culture....as is all of Africa at one point or another.

Stop trying to take Kemet outta Africa. Stop giving ancient Kemet to NON-BLACKS.

I guess this guy hates himself...right? The divide & conquer b.s. is OVER

http://www.google.com/url...
Louie Taught Me

San Diego, CA

#652 May 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Kemet was ORIGINALLY BLACK and is a country on the continent of AFRICA. There are STILL Blacks in Kemet. Hell YOU don't even know the real name of the place. I guess since they split the Sudan, that country was never Black too ...right? Africans can discuss any country in Africa. Africans can bond with any African culture.
Hell you've got whites running around calling themselves "egyptologist"...yet ancient Kemet has nothing to do with them. Your time would be spent railing on them.
Just because ARABS are in Egypt NOW does not mean they were always there. READ THIS AGAIN. Nobody said AA's are Arab.
Your statements are typical of whites try to divide & conquer Africans. Coming to a AA forum trying to tell PPL. who they are, what and who they are to discuss, study etc. It's the colonial ploy that was used to colonize Africa. Pit one against the other.
Ancient Kemet IS part of Africa (non-white) culture....as is all of Africa at one point or another.
Stop trying to take Kemet outta Africa. Stop giving ancient Kemet to NON-BLACKS.
I guess this guy hates himself...right? The divide & conquer b.s. is OVER
http://www.google.com/url...
C/S The nerve of these folks tryin' to tell us which part of Africa we must embrace and which we should not. Besides, the moors have Sub-saharan west African roots.
Louie Taught Me

San Diego, CA

#653 May 27, 2013
Self hating tools wrote:
You negroes are such losers. No wonder Africans are so ashamed of you and the egyptians and moors that you claim don't even see you as human beings.
Those are usurpers. Besides we don't a sh!t what they think about us.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#654 May 27, 2013
Historian wrote:
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As for some counties in North Africa, for example Egypt... The country is sometimes considered to be Arab, European (they can sing in the EuroVision Song Contest, was once a part of the former Roman Empire) or African. This is not the same for Sub-Sahara Africa.
Arabs came to Kemet in 700AD. By the time Romans got there Kemet was down the tubes.

ALL the great achievements of ancient Kemet HAVE nothing to with Arab or Europeans. Kemet IS NOT separate from the rest of Africa.( sub-sahahra is just a newly, concocted, racist term) I 've talked to Africans and they don't see consider themselves "sub-saharan". Thats a b.s. term to divide & conquer.Read this again.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#655 May 27, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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Would you have suggested that advice to Malcolm X?
<quoted text>
I'm still trying to figure out why you take so much offense towards me for disparaging self-haters but not self-haters themselves.
It's like you are content with people deluding themselves and shunning their own ancestors who were brutalized and stripped of their dignity and humanity for their worthless a$$s.
You don't see a problem with that?
remember a while back....I showed you a so-called "self-hater" in Sammy Sosa ( whitning his skin).

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