Poor Whites In Africa

[nickieca]

Seems like the the working class whites folks are having a tough time over there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I feel bad for them to a degree, but I think it's good to to see the circumstance be reversed for a change...
Can't these white folks go back to Europe, if things are getting so bad for them?

[taino man]

nickieca wrote:

Seems like the the working class whites folks are having a tough time over there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I feel bad for them to a degree, but I think it's good to to see the circumstance be reversed for a change...
Can't these white folks go back to Europe, if things are getting so bad for them?

LOL. You're being sarcastic... right? Whites settled in South Africa hundreds of years ago. That's like saying any AA's having financial problems should go back to Africa.

[Harrison]

Well... think about it.

We have impoverished whites in the USA with no dental care, ramshackle trailers for homes, zero marketable skills as far as a middle-class income is concerned, and to top it off, roughly 1 in 10 white American adults is functionally illiterate.

Can THEY go back to Europe if things are getting so bad for them over here???? If so, where? LOL

I'd be surprised if poor white Africans have options that are any better.

[taino man]

Harrison wrote:

Well... think about it.
We have impoverished whites in the USA with no dental care, ramshackle trailers for homes, zero marketable skills as far as a middle-class income is concerned, and to top it off, roughly 1 in 10 white American adults is functionally illiterate.
Can THEY go back to Europe if things are getting so bad for them over here???? If so, where? LOL
I'd be surprised if poor white Africans have options that are any better.

I think we could start a colony for poor Whites, like Liberia, but call it "Whiteria" (just a suggestion). Maybe we could use Antartica? Its a continent and its not claimed by any nation. Also, aren't whites evolved for colder climates. They would probably thrive there.

[nickieca]

taino man wrote:

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LOL. You're being sarcastic... right? Whites settled in South Africa hundreds of years ago. That's like saying any AA's having financial problems should go back to Africa.

You have a point there,same with the below poster saying about the poor people in the US not being able to go back to Europe too.
Still I didn't know that things had gotten that bad for the white africans over there....some are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[Harrison]

taino man wrote:

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I think we could start a colony for poor Whites, like Liberia, but call it "Whiteria" (just a suggestion). Maybe we could use Antartica? Its a continent and its not claimed by any nation. Also, aren't whites evolved for colder climates. They would probably thrive there.

Although I appreciate the humorous intent, this is not an issue I can get too LOL-ish about at this moment.

Poor whites in the USA are forced to suffer outrageous humiliation at the hands of their more affluent brethren. The psychological torment must be horrendous.

Imagine growing up white and seeing (via TV) the carnival of affluent "American Dream"-style Caucasian-American consumerism - an endless parade of sporty SUVs, spacious suburban middle-class homes with immaculate lawns, and witty, handsome/pretty people with perfect teeth and jobs that pay for all of the above. It's a party that you're not invited to; not now; not tomorrow, and most likely NEVER! Your offense? Being born to parents whom the beautiful TV-people smugly label as "white trash." Even more grating is seeing supposedly "inferior" non-white types (like Obama) joining the party as well.

One could argue, "So what?? This misery is standard operating policy for millions of impoverished families of color." Which would be true.

But the problem with being poor and white in the USA is that, too often the temptation to seek out someone lower on the social ladder to scapegoat or humiliate, becomes irresistible. This is a class of folks who can make themselves extremely dangerous to black folks and all minorities as they flail about in ignorance, desperately trying to patch up their wounded self-esteeem with racial slurs and hate-group membership and most recently, Obama-hate.

Somehow my sense is that as long as America's poor white "problem" remains, so too will the most deep-seated racism.

Apologies for the long digression; after all, this is a thread about African whites.

[Roman Sulu Malay]

Harrison wrote:

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Although I appreciate the humorous intent, this is not an issue I can get too LOL-ish about at this moment.
Poor whites in the USA are forced to suffer outrageous humiliation at the hands of their more affluent brethren. The psychological torment must be horrendous.
Imagine growing up white and seeing (via TV) the carnival of affluent "American Dream"-style Caucasian-American consumerism - an endless parade of sporty SUVs, spacious suburban middle-class homes with immaculate lawns, and witty, handsome/pretty people with perfect teeth and jobs that pay for all of the above. It's a party that you're not invited to; not now; not tomorrow, and most likely NEVER! Your offense? Being born to parents whom the beautiful TV-people smugly label as "white trash." Even more grating is seeing supposedly "inferior" non-white types (like Obama) joining the party as well.
One could argue, "So what?? This misery is standard operating policy for millions of impoverished families of color." Which would be true.
But the problem with being poor and white in the USA is that, too often the temptation to seek out someone lower on the social ladder to scapegoat or humiliate, becomes irresistible. This is a class of folks who can make themselves extremely dangerous to black folks and all minorities as they flail about in ignorance, desperately trying to patch up their wounded self-esteeem with racial slurs and hate-group membership and most recently, Obama-hate.
Somehow my sense is that as long as America's poor white "problem" remains, so too will the most deep-seated racism.
Apologies for the long digression; after all, this is a thread about African whites.

Good post.. I agree, Poor whites do suffer the most humiliation because they fail in a society that is geared for their success.

It is a party they are invited however IMO, White America invites anyone to join the party so long as they adhere to 'W.A.S.P' ideals. The thing about white trash is that they can clean up to regular 'white' status. Since George Bush Jr. is one of them basically, he should be their inspiration.

Imagine growing up 'non white' and seeing only 'white' people on T.V living well.. Seeing women that looked like your mother and sisters depicted as whores and 'practice girls'... and men that looked like your brothers and uncles being depicted as effeminate.. Imagine how it would feel if the rest of society was subliminally taught to think of you as closer to apes.
http://www.jossip.com/wp/docs/2008/03/voguele...
Imagine growing up with your people being described as inherently less intelligent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IQ-4races-...
despite the fact that many IQ tests have questionable intentions and methods.

[Harrisson]

Roman Sulu Malay wrote:

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Good post.. I agree, Poor whites do suffer the most humiliation because they fail in a society that is geared for their success.

It is a party they are invited however IMO, White America invites anyone to join the party so long as they adhere to 'W.A.S.P' ideals. The thing about white trash is that they can clean up to regular 'white' status. Since George Bush Jr. is one of them basically, he should be their inspiration.

IMO, the obstacles to dirt-poor whites are so high as to render their chances for upward mobility to a little above zero.

And I'm guessing we both know that George Bush is NOT "white trash." He's just a priviliged, rich, white guy with a learning disability or some other cognitive defect that prevents him from accomplishing anything of professional substance. IMO the 4-wheel-drive Ford pickup, the boots, the ranch, etc. are all a stage act for the GED crowd in the ranks of white voters.

Your points about psychological trauma that non-white kids suffer are very important - no denying it. We've historically been a more resilient race (just my opinion) because we were geared for hardship. Most of us know we'll be working with our hands; and that there are few cushy office positions that await our kids, since so few of them graduate college, much less high school.

Once we have the audacity to banish the TV (BET is the electronic version of the Bubonic Plague) from our homes, imagine what could be achieved!!!

[Mixed Zimbabwean]

Harrison wrote:

Well... think about it.
We have impoverished whites in the USA with no dental care, ramshackle trailers for homes, zero marketable skills as far as a middle-class income is concerned, and to top it off, roughly 1 in 10 white American adults is functionally illiterate.
Can THEY go back to Europe if things are getting so bad for them over here???? If so, where? LOL
I'd be surprised if poor white Africans have options that are any better.

The whites are NOT Africans, they are European South Africans just like your a European American.

Why dont you help the Afrikaners who are YOUR kin.

[Harrisson]

Mixed Zimbabwean wrote:

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The whites are NOT Africans, they are European South Africans just like your a European American.
Why dont you help the Afrikaners who are YOUR kin.

LOL! Your identities are all mixed up. I am a black American. Our history here since the 1600s gives us the right to call ourselves Americans.

So too should Afrikaners' history in South Africa since the 1600s, give them the right to call themselves Africans.

As far as help is concerned, if Americans cannot (or will not) fix the problem of white poverty in the USA, it's hard to see them getting wound up about the South African variety.

Most impoverished American Appalachian whites probably would struggle to even find South Africa on a map...

[Mixed Zimbabwean]

Harrisson wrote:

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LOL! Your identities are all mixed up. I am a black American. Our history here since the 1600s gives us the right to call ourselves Americans.
So too should Afrikaners' history in South Africa since the 1600s, give them the right to call themselves Africans.
As far as help is concerned, if Americans cannot (or will not) fix the problem of white poverty in the USA, it's hard to see them getting wound up about the South African variety.
Most impoverished American Appalachian whites probably would struggle to even find South Africa on a map...

I thought you were white so now at least I know your an African american, the Afrikaners are South African NOT African

I agree that white America should fix their own problems first but I dont think the Afrikaners should be included as members of the African family, if you were a black or other non white South African these same Afrikaners would not see you as their equal and you would have been reduced to a second class citizen with very limited rights so please think about that, the Afrikaners implemented and supported apartheid so please also remember that.

[Nubia Women]

Mixed Zimbabwean wrote:

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I thought you were white so now at least I know your an African american, the Afrikaners are South African NOT African
I agree that white America should fix their own problems first but I dont think the Afrikaners should be included as members of the African family, if you were a black or other non white South African these same Afrikaners would not see you as their equal and you would have been reduced to a second class citizen with very limited rights so please think about that, the Afrikaners implemented and supported apartheid so please also remember that.

I agree one hundred per cent

[lord of this world]

if those white africans go to the u.s. then they can be african-americans too and get welfare and some foo stamps.

[Harrisson]

Mixed Zimbabwean wrote:

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I thought you were white so now at least I know your an African american, the Afrikaners are South African NOT African

I agree that white America should fix their own problems first but I dont think the Afrikaners should be included as members of the African family, if you were a black or other non white South African these same Afrikaners would not see you as their equal and you would have been reduced to a second class citizen with very limited rights so please think about that, the Afrikaners implemented and supported apartheid so please also remember that.

Yes, I've had this discussion before and it's rare to meet people who see things from my perspective. Here's my problem with your logic:

* Almost EVERY society on earth has some sort of ranking system whereby people fall into 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class status. The USA is probably the most dramatic example... and yet nobody seriously thinks about denying whites with an *extremely racist* background the right to call themselves "American" or a people of the Americas.

* Go to Chile or Mexico or most Latin American societies and it's the same: A privileged white minority holding the majority of economic power and/or political power. Indians and Blacks are usually at the bottom. Mixed-race (Spanish-Indian) people form the middle strata, typically. And Whites at the top.

Yet nobody tries to strip whites of their identity as "South American" or "Latin American" or Chilean or Brazilian from them, due to the most outrageous racism and exploitation practiced by their ancestors.

So, with that in mind, I don't think your proposal for an exclusionary notion of "African" identity bears much resemblance to the real world outside of Africa.

In fact, I'd say it's a recipe for future war and/or genocide or ethnic cleansing - the type which black Africans have been happy to practice on other black African tribes in places like Kenya or Rwanda. But if your exclusionary vision of who is/isn't African becomes reality, there are deranged/extremist people who WILL eventually attempt to exterminate or expel Afrikaners due to their "alien" status, just as Idi Amin did to the Asians in Uganda.

THAT would be a tragedy of the most horrendous sort, if for no other reason than that a good deal of South Africa's development potential lies in the educated strata of Afrikanerdom and Anglo-South Africans who choose to stick it out and stay in the country and build it into what could be the first developed nation on the African continent.

Where else BUT from the ranks of white South Africans are you going to draw the talent pool to do something like, say, overhaul and revive South Africa's domestic nuclear power industry??

Most Americans with Ph.Ds in Nuclear Engineering - whether white, black or Hispanic - likely have no interest in relocating 3,500+ miles away from home to do what South Africans could be doing for themselves.

It's all about Human Capital!

[Ebony]

lord of this world wrote:

if those white africans go to the u.s. then they can be african-americans too and get welfare and some foo stamps.

Their is no such thing as a white African that term 'white African' is a FALLACY.

No way should they be included as African Americans they were opressors and STILL see themsleves above anyone who is black.

[And so]

Ebony wrote:

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Their is no such thing as a white African that term 'white African' is a FALLACY.
No way should they be included as African Americans they were opressors and STILL see themsleves above anyone who is black.

I see you are in the UK. So are you also saying there can be no such thing as someone who is Black and British? The dangerous thing is when you say a White person can't be African, it opens the doors to others saying a Black person can't really be European. This attitude does exist in many places anyway, like in India where the black Siddis, have been there centuries longer than Blacks have been in America, but are looked upon and treated as untouchables, because they aren't indigenous and are the descendents of former slaves.

[Harrisson]

Ebony wrote:

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Their is no such thing as a white African that term 'white African' is a FALLACY.
No way should they be included as African Americans they were opressors and STILL see themsleves above anyone who is black.

Your reasoning isn't logical. The African-American community already HAS individuals who are oppressors or who work in an oppressive capacity but retain their credentials as "African-Americans."

What roles do you think that Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell have played in the lives of the Iraqi people?

[Ebony]

And so wrote:

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I see you are in the UK. So are you also saying there can be no such thing as someone who is Black and British? The dangerous thing is when you say a White person can't be African, it opens the doors to others saying a Black person can't really be European. This attitude does exist in many places anyway, like in India where the black Siddis, have been there centuries longer than Blacks have been in America, but are looked upon and treated as untouchables, because they aren't indigenous and are the descendents of former slaves.

I dont regard myself as European and nor do most British blacks and why are you making such ridiculous comparions, the siddis in India did not opress anyone but the Afrikaners believed in white supremacy and treated anyone not white as a inferior, thanks to them blacks were denied even the most basic human rights and were opressed, even now they still look down on black people and are not sorry about the past, I am indeed British but NOT european, learn the difference between nationality and ethnicity.

I am suprised at you being a American

[And so]

Ebony wrote:

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I dont regard myself as European and nor do most British blacks and why are you making such ridiculous comparions, the siddis in India did not opress anyone but the Afrikaners believed in white supremacy and treated anyone not white as a inferior, thanks to them blacks were denied even the most basic human rights and were opressed, even now they still look down on black people and are not sorry about the past, I am indeed British but NOT european, learn the difference between nationality and ethnicity.
I am suprised at you being a American

You are saying Whites can't claim themselves African or even South African because they are white, and because Africa is indigenous to Blacks Well Great Britain, just like the rest of Europe is indigenous to Whites, so if you don't follow what I am saying then my point is obviously lost on you. But you do open the door to that kind of thinking by saying things like that. No matter who oppressed who.

[nicboo32]

Harrison wrote:

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Although I appreciate the humorous intent, this is not an issue I can get too LOL-ish about at this moment.
Poor whites in the USA are forced to suffer outrageous humiliation at the hands of their more affluent brethren. The psychological torment must be horrendous.
Imagine growing up white and seeing (via TV) the carnival of affluent "American Dream"-style Caucasian-American consumerism - an endless parade of sporty SUVs, spacious suburban middle-class homes with immaculate lawns, and witty, handsome/pretty people with perfect teeth and jobs that pay for all of the above. It's a party that you're not invited to; not now; not tomorrow, and most likely NEVER! Your offense? Being born to parents whom the beautiful TV-people smugly label as "white trash." Even more grating is seeing supposedly "inferior" non-white types (like Obama) joining the party as well.
One could argue, "So what?? This misery is standard operating policy for millions of impoverished families of color." Which would be true.
But the problem with being poor and white in the USA is that, too often the temptation to seek out someone lower on the social ladder to scapegoat or humiliate, becomes irresistible. This is a class of folks who can make themselves extremely dangerous to black folks and all minorities as they flail about in ignorance, desperately trying to patch up their wounded self-esteeem with racial slurs and hate-group membership and most recently, Obama-hate.
Somehow my sense is that as long as America's poor white "problem" remains, so too will the most deep-seated racism.
Apologies for the long digression; after all, this is a thread about African whites.

Excellent post!