African Americans = Debauch and Worthless Culture

[Bakari Neferu]

Redefined wrote:

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You claim African cultures were superior. How can you claim African cultures are superior when their cultures are not even embraced more so than AA or Jamaican culture?? PLZ explain.

You're talking about popularity. I never said anything about popularity. Lil wayne is more embraced than Marcus Garvey. So what? Soulja boy is more popular than any of of the Zouk (Caribbean music) artists that I've heard and the Ghanaian artists I've heard. So what? Coca Cola is more embraced than Coconut water. Superior popularity doesn't mean superior quality.

I don't follow those americanized definitions of what is better or lesser. African culture is superior for the simple fact that it's more respectable. On the whole, if I were to grade African vs. AA culture, I would find that Africans are more friendly, more respectful, less likely to be public nuisance, more likely to start a business and employ other Blacks, more likely to give back to their community, more likely to spend money on and with each other, and more likely to do what is necessary to affect change for their nations. There are many other aspects of traditional African culture that completely blow away anything mainstream AA society does, but the fact is, overall, African culture is just more respectable.

[Bakari Neferu]

realitee wrote:

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C/S and the complaining is becoming annoying. I noticed when he complains he never mentions what he has done or what he plans to do about the issues or what can be done to make things better.

You make things better by creating an atmosphere of unrelenting intolerance to debauchery as well . That's how you make things better.

[Redefined]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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You're talking about popularity. I never said anything about popularity. Lil wayne is more embraced than Marcus Garvey. So what? Soulja boy is more popular than any of of the Zouk (Caribbean music) artists that I've heard and the Ghanaian artists I've heard. So what? Coca Cola is more embraced than Coconut water. Superior popularity doesn't mean superior quality.
I don't follow those americanized definitions of what is better or lesser. African culture is superior for the simple fact that it's more respectable. On the whole, if I were to grade African vs. AA culture, I would find that Africans are more friendly, more respectful, less likely to be public nuisance, more likely to start a business and employ other Blacks, more likely to give back to their community, more likely to spend money on and with each other, and more likely to do what is necessary to affect change for their nations. There are many other aspects of traditional African culture that completely blow away anything mainstream AA society does, but the fact is, overall, African culture is just more respectable.

I stated AA & Jamaican culture were more influential not because I felt the cultures were superior but because there are PPL around the world who admire some aspects of AA culture. I don't feel AA culture is worthless. Sure there may be some things about AA culture that are not positive but the same can be said about many cultures around the world. No ethnic group as far as I'm concerned set the standard for Human morality. In order for someone to claim their culture is superior, their lifestyle should be of Quality....Mentally & Physically.

[Redefined]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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There is no particular culture whose cultural aspects I respect. There are many different African cultures that I have found aspects to that I find respectable, which is why I don't specify just one in particular. African culture as a whole just seems more idyllic to me.
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I don't reject people with differing views as being inferior. I welcome differing opinions. I don't welcoming cry baby internet tantrums, and emotionally disturbed verbiage. Most people on here don't know how to have an actual mature debate. And when they come to me with their ineptitude, I show no respect usually, not because I don't agree with them, but because I don't respect their approach towards me and I don't respect their lack of a coherent and sound argument. Anyone who has taken a careful look at my posts will see that I definitely have the ability to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.
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This discussion has nothing to do with well being, so I don't know where you pulled that from. And there is no hype. It's no mystery that African culture is more respectable that AA culture is. They are just easier all around to deal with. I've made African friends so easily just by showing interest in these peoples' cultures. I just talk about general issues that interest me like business, African affairs, culture, etc. If I try to talk about these things with AA's it's gonna be like pulling teeth.
I actually have an easier time talking to some of the Africans I just met, than I do my own family. I don't even talk to my family anymore. They aren't even ghetto really, they just have nothing of interest to talk about. I have to strain myself to try and come up with a conversation topic because I literally have nothing in common with these people. We don't have anything to talk about; and I've known these people my entire life!
I don't hate them or dislike them, but I've never really had much of any connection with any of them, except for my nieces and nephews, even as a youth before I even had an interest in Africa. And it's been like that practically all my life, not just with my family, but with AA's period, and it wasnt' until recently, once I became exposed to real respectable Black culture, that I found out why I never really had any real connection with them.

These are simply ur experiences. We all have 'em but that doesn't mean our experiences is everyone else. Many PPL have met Africans who were disrespectful, rude & arrogant. So I guess these PPL can say African culture is garbage based of their experience.

[Redefined]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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No, you're not conveying your point very coherently. You said it's not about failing or succeeding, but the impact. Well what do you consider failing or succeeding? Is that not an impact?
I'm not talking about Chinese in China. I'm talking the ones right here with their chinatown mini countries that nobody can come in and tell them to do a damn thing with. They actually contribute to the economy, so nobody's gonna f*ck with them. AA's don't contribute sh*t (except consumerism), so when Whites start falling, the people leaning on them for support and hanging on for dear life (AA's), are going to fall with them.
But not the Chinatowns.

This is incorrect. Asian Americans are also suffering from high unemployment rates like everyone in America when the economy was at it's worst. Chinatown didn't help them either.
http://www.epi.org/publication/ib323s-asian-a...

You have many Chinese immigrants in America who work at the same jobs with

[Bakari Neferu]

Redefined wrote:

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These are simply ur experiences. We all have 'em but that doesn't mean our experiences is everyone else. Many PPL have met Africans who were disrespectful, rude & arrogant. So I guess these PPL can say African culture is garbage based of their experience.

I don't mainstream AA culture is garbage based off a few bad experiences I have had here and there. I say it's garbage because of all the qualities I hate in people, AA's have and continue to demonstrate them more than anybody else. I don't even have to talk or interact with them. Just the way they carry themselves in comparison to every other ethnic group is deplorable.

I am far more likely to come across a rude or disrepectful AA, even if I'm being nice, or even if I don't say anything to them at all, than I'm of an African.

Why is it that I can't go one day, not even one, where I don't see revolting tattoos on AA's but I rarely see them on any African? Why is it that, AA's are more likely to smoke weed, or smoke period than Africans are? Why are AA's more likely to be baby mamas or wear weaves or be unnecessarily loud and immature, or more confrontational, or just overall unpleasant, unsightly, and unbecoming people?

[Bakari Neferu]

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This is incorrect. Asian Americans are also suffering from high unemployment rates like everyone in America when the economy was at it's worst. Chinatown didn't help them either.
http://www.epi.org/publication/ib323s-asian-a...
You have many Chinese immigrants in America who work at the same jobs with

What the hell does this garbage have to do with anything I said? I'm starting to think you're brain is defective or something.

Nothing in that piece said anything about Chinatown. Chinatown doesn't suffer unless the people of Chinatown leave it, not because of whatever is going on in the white economy.

[Redefined]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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I don't mainstream AA culture is garbage based off a few bad experiences I have had here and there. I say it's garbage because of all the qualities I hate in people, AA's have and continue to demonstrate them more than anybody else. I don't even have to talk or interact with them. Just the way they carry themselves in comparison to every other ethnic group is deplorable.
I am far more likely to come across a rude or disrepectful AA, even if I'm being nice, or even if I don't say anything to them at all, than I'm of an African.
Why is it that I can't go one day, not even one, where I don't see revolting tattoos on AA's but I rarely see them on any African? Why is it that, AA's are more likely to smoke weed, or smoke period than Africans are? Why are AA's more likely to be baby mamas or wear weaves or be unnecessarily loud and immature, or more confrontational, or just overall unpleasant, unsightly, and unbecoming people?

Perhaps you attract negative attention. You defiantly don't seem very pleasant yourself.

[Eriq Barrington]

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What's odd is society refuse to highlight any of the positive in within' AAs. For example whenever AA's do something great, you will never hear about it in mainstream, you literally have to look it up on ur own.

Nothing odd about it. It's this consistent failure create POSITIVE stereotypes based on the good acts of a few that leaves me skeptical of non-blacks intentions.

[Redefined]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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What the hell does this garbage have to do with anything I said? I'm starting to think you're brain is defective or something.
Nothing in that piece said anything about Chinatown. Chinatown doesn't suffer unless the people of Chinatown leave it, not because of whatever is going on in the white economy.

Not all Asians live in Chinatown for one. The fact is all ethnic groups felt the impact of the economy. European economic decision impact everyone regardless if Asians have their own successful communities in America.

[Bakari Neferu]

Redefined wrote:

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Perhaps you attract negative attention. You defiantly don't seem very pleasant yourself.

No, I don't have any issues getting along with Africans, Asians, Hispanics, Whites, or even high cultured AA's and respectable AA's. Not to say that I prefer the company of Asians, Hispanics or Whites over Blacks, but the fact that I get along with them more than AA's displeases me.

I get along better with AA's of the older generation, like 50s and above, than I do people in their twenties and even thirties in many cases. Older people actually have a personality and a point of reference to converse about.

So I definitely wouldn't say it was a personality defect.

[Redefined]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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No, I don't have any issues getting along with Africans, Asians, Hispanics, Whites, or even high cultured AA's and respectable AA's. Not to say that I prefer the company of Asians, Hispanics or Whites over Blacks, but the fact that I get along with them more than AA's displeases me.
I get along better with AA's of the older generation, like 50s and above, than I do people in their twenties and even thirties in many cases. Older people actually have a personality and a point of reference to converse about.
So I definitely wouldn't say it was a personality defect.

OK! Well maybe you should not associate with AA's then. It's that simple.

[Bakari Neferu]

Redefined wrote:

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Not all Asians live in Chinatown for one. The fact is all ethnic groups felt the impact of the economy. European economic decision impact everyone regardless if Asians have their own successful communities in America.

Impact doesn't equate with low economic standing and certainly doesn't explain it. The fact is, whether Chinese or anybody is affected by the larger economy or not, they still stand at a higher economic standing than those with less economic opportunity furnished to them by their communities.

[Bakari Neferu]

Redefined wrote:

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OK! Well maybe you should not associate with AA's then. It's that simple.

No it's not that simple. This isn't about who I associate with or don't. I didn't make this thread to find friends. I came here to discuss a problem. Whether I voluntarily associate with AA's or not, mainstream AA culture is still debauch and problematic.

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THE NERVE OF THIS FOOL WHO CAN BE MORE CORRUPT THAN AFRICANS?..I HAVE BEEN O SEVERAL AFRICAN NATIONS AS WELL AND BELIEVE ME...YOU GUYS ARE NOOOO PICNIC ....ALAYS DECEITFUL AND FULL OF TRICKERY..UNTIL YOU AFRICANS START BEING MORERESPONSIBLE ON YOUR OWN SOIL ...DONT YOU DARE SAY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS...EXCUSE THE ERRORS BUT IM PISSED OFF.....ONE MORE THING LEARN TO TAKE MORE SHOWERS YOU BODY ODOR IS SO OFFENSIVE AND TELL YOUR WOMEN TO CLEAN UP THERE HOMES ONCE IN A WHILE.

[BlkSelenaGomez]

Bakari...I have to agree...

[Black Deal]

btn wrote:

THE NERVE OF THIS FOOL WHO CAN BE MORE CORRUPT THAN AFRICANS?..I HAVE BEEN O SEVERAL AFRICAN NATIONS AS WELL AND BELIEVE ME...YOU GUYS ARE NOOOO PICNIC ....ALAYS DECEITFUL AND FULL OF TRICKERY..UNTIL YOU AFRICANS START BEING MORERESPONSIBLE ON YOUR OWN SOIL ...DONT YOU DARE SAY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS...EXCUSE THE ERRORS BUT IM PISSED OFF.....ONE MORE THING LEARN TO TAKE MORE SHOWERS YOU BODY ODOR IS SO OFFENSIVE AND TELL YOUR WOMEN TO CLEAN UP THERE HOMES ONCE IN A WHILE.

You come from west Africans so STFU

[Bakari Neferu]

btn wrote:

THE NERVE OF THIS FOOL WHO CAN BE MORE CORRUPT THAN AFRICANS?..I HAVE BEEN O SEVERAL AFRICAN NATIONS AS WELL AND BELIEVE ME...YOU GUYS ARE NOOOO PICNIC ....ALAYS DECEITFUL AND FULL OF TRICKERY..UNTIL YOU AFRICANS START BEING MORERESPONSIBLE ON YOUR OWN SOIL ...DONT YOU DARE SAY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS...EXCUSE THE ERRORS BUT IM PISSED OFF.....ONE MORE THING LEARN TO TAKE MORE SHOWERS YOU BODY ODOR IS SO OFFENSIVE AND TELL YOUR WOMEN TO CLEAN UP THERE HOMES ONCE IN A WHILE.

Corruption is a problem in Africa, but corruption is most found in the upper levels of society among the elites, who comprise of the minority of Africas, while most of the rest of Africa society don't have any control over how those countries are ran, and in any event, corruption isn't an inherent part of traditional African culture. Corruption was always sought to be omitted with extreme prejudice. I can even cite you quotes to show that corruption was never accepted among the people in traditional African culture. In fact, I just read a tweet about how this one African group ended up beheading a "bad" chief and parading his dead body all over the place to show just bad chiefs are dealt with. Here, read this

"Not all Africans follow that tradition of not speaking ill of the dead. Among the Temne of Sierra Leone, the corpse of a BAD chief was dragged along the ground and mocked by those who hated him. By defiling the corpse, the Temne believed they would prevent his soul from joining the spirits of the ancestors. Most often, "that indignity of funeral ceremony acted as a check on bad chiefs" (Amoah, 1988; p.178)."

So like I said, corruption is an insidious sub culture, not mainstream African culture.

I'm also not sure exactly what countries you're talking about. Which ones have you been to?

And no, Africans are not "always" deceitful or full of trickery. Most Africans I've meet are extremely friendly and respectable, not just in their personality, but in how they carry themselves, how they conduct themselves in public, how they dress, and how they interact with folk. When Africans come over here to the states, I've found them to be well behaved, so I don't understand your point of view.

As far as how I view AA's, I will say whatever I wish about them. Am I wrong? I don't excuse corruption in Africa among elites, just like I don't excuse debauchery found among mainstream AA culture. It's sickening.

What I dislike most about AA's isn't even their personalities, but the fact that decadent practices, like tattoos, smoking, baby mamas, weaves, etc., are so common here and so readily accepted.

If I speak against African corruption, most Africans will join me in my disgust, but if I speak against homosexuality, or single baby mamas, or weaves, or smoking, or tattoos, you know how many AA's will stand up and defend that crap?

Utterly disgusting.

[Bakari Neferu]

BlkSelenaGomez wrote:

Bakari...I have to agree...

You have to agree with what? You agree with what that racist just said about AA ancestors, or you you agree with what I've been saying about mainstream AA culture being disgraceful?

[kikuyuguy]

Sometimes,black people need to hear the truth,IMO. We all have issues,however AAs have been deliberately targeted for detrsuction as a people for decades-Chancelor Williams himself said as much. The crack epidemic or the strange undying popularity of rap are meant to sabotage AAs and it has succeeded.
"There are 2 theories,not unconnected and may be in fact mutually reinforcing . The first is that black music was a means for the World Rapers who control the US government to negatively influence and sabotage black American culture.

Titled “The FBI War On Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders: U.S. Intelligence's Murderous Targeting of Tupac, MLK, Malcolm, Panthers, Hendrix, Marley, Rappers & Linked Ethnic Leftists”, t"
http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2012/09/is-...