the moors were black africans not ara...

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#20096 Jan 4, 2014
AberdiTheOlodumare wrote:
Bottom line Moor and Berber populations are admixed with East Africans and Europeans (and Arabic) DNA.
And, btw, you it's clear you don't know anything about the prehistory of West African people, so leave that to other people who actually care.
I know one thing about West Africans, they're no Moors.

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#20097 Jan 4, 2014
SaracenSam wrote:
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I know one thing about West Africans, they're no Moors.
Of course they are not.
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20098 Jan 4, 2014
SaracenSam wrote:
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I am no Mulatto, but I know most of you WAA are a cocktail of WA, European, Carribean, Native American & God knows what else is thrown in there. Most of you don't even know who your fathers are as your mother mates w/anyone who provides her with crack cocaine down in the ghetto where most of you WAA fake revisionist pseudo-historian Moor-wannabes.
The light-skinned North Africans are mulatto sons and daughters of white slaves.

Black people are indigenous to North Africa.

If you are North African and not Black, you are a mongrel.
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20099 Jan 4, 2014
AberdiTheOlodumare wrote:
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Of course they are not.
THE MOORS WERE BLACK

"The anthropological examination of skeletons found in tombs in Carthage proves that there is no racial unity [...] The so called Semitic type, characterized by the long, perfectly oval face, the thin aquiline nose and the lengthened cranium, enlarged over the nape of the neck has not been found in Carthage. On the other hand, another cranial form, with a fairly short face, prominent parietal bumps, farther forward and lower down than is usual is common [...] most of the Punic population in Carthage had African and even Negro ancestors" - Charles Picard "Daily Life in Carthage at the time of Hannibal"

Appian relates that the figurative Ethiopians "extend from eastern Ethiopia westward to the Mauritanian Mount Atlas."

Cambridge History of Africa: "The Soninke, the people of ancient Ghana, are the northernmost Sudanic people. Before the arrival of the Berbers, their ancestors had occupied the Sahara, as is suggested by the survival of black groups in Walata, Nema, Tichit, and as far Shinqit, who speak Azer, which is a Soninke dialect." 80% of Berber Y-chromosomes originate in east Africa, south of Egypt.

"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).

 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).

"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.

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#20102 Jan 4, 2014
motts wrote:
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The light-skinned North Africans are mulatto sons and daughters of white slaves.
Black people are indigenous to North Africa.
If you are North African and not Black, you are a mongrel.
Because you say so? Because your Afronazi ideology demands it?

Well, too bad, but such questions are decided by evidence rather than ideology. You just can't seem to grasp that...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20103 Jan 4, 2014
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
The light-skinned North Africans are mulatto sons and daughters of white slaves.
Black people are indigenous to North Africa.
If you are North African and not Black, you are a mongrel.
Nope...liar, these white Moors carry INDIGENOUS NORTH AFRICAN HAPLOGROUPS and are therefore INDIGENOUS TO NORTH AFRICA! Black Africans are NOT indigenous to North Africa!
www.youtube.com/watch...
Afronazis cant bear the fact that whites can be indigenous to Africa! Cry Afronazis!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20104 Jan 4, 2014
Try again, very INDIGENOUS Moroccans:
www.youtube.com/watch...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20105 Jan 4, 2014
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
THE MOORS WERE BLACK
"The anthropological examination of skeletons found in tombs in Carthage proves that there is no racial unity [...] The so called Semitic type, characterized by the long, perfectly oval face, the thin aquiline nose and the lengthened cranium, enlarged over the nape of the neck has not been found in Carthage. On the other hand, another cranial form, with a fairly short face, prominent parietal bumps, farther forward and lower down than is usual is common [...] most of the Punic population in Carthage had African and even Negro ancestors" - Charles Picard "Daily Life in Carthage at the time of Hannibal"
Appian relates that the figurative Ethiopians "extend from eastern Ethiopia westward to the Mauritanian Mount Atlas."
Cambridge History of Africa: "The Soninke, the people of ancient Ghana, are the northernmost Sudanic people. Before the arrival of the Berbers, their ancestors had occupied the Sahara, as is suggested by the survival of black groups in Walata, Nema, Tichit, and as far Shinqit, who speak Azer, which is a Soninke dialect." 80% of Berber Y-chromosomes originate in east Africa, south of Egypt.
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).
 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).
"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.
Dumbo if the Moors were black how did they all turn white in 500 years????LOL
The Moors were white, descendants of the Moors:
www.youtube.com/watch...
Why do modern Moors carry NO Sub-Saharan DNA?

“DANGER!!”

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#20106 Jan 5, 2014
AberdiTheOlodumare wrote:
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You are both wrong.
Culturally Moors and Berbers are arabized and now mostly muslims followers. But genetically they are admixed.
They carry both Y-DNA from East Africa in origin and MtDNA from Europe in origin as well as some introgression of Arabic haplogroup (like J). For example, the E-M81 hg ultimately originated in Eastern Africa while the MtDNA H haplogroup originated in Europe and the J somewhere in the Middle East.
So Moors and Berbers are admixed people. Admixed with haplogroups and thus DNA from different geographical origin.
I don't consider Moors and Berbers good representative of African people because they are admixed and they are both Arabized and converted to Islam. Although that's an nice mixture of cultures.
'E-M81' Y-Hg did NOT originate in SSA and the Hg's from whence it did evolve had been strictly in Maghribíya for at least 20,000years.

In that amount of time, it interbred strictly with Caucasian mtDNA, only, and that coupled with 20,000 years in the Temperate Zone was more than enough for the inevitable forces of evolution to cause a HUGE GENETIC DRIFT AWAY FROM BEING 'BLACK'.

It is incredible that delusional Afro-Centrists are incapable of comprehending that very important and undeniable point.
trollslayer

Chicago Heights, IL

#20107 Jan 5, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
How DARE you use the word “scholars”, when you're nothing but a racist cult-following ideological Afronazi?
Really, this is beyond ridiculous, not to mention offensive.
ur in a severe meltdown mode. I show no malice toward anyone. You want to lie about African culture and keep it "tucked away".....while pretending that Africans had NO influence on the world. The type of racism will not be tolerated here.

Luckily, there were honest scholars like matthew STRILING
trollslayer

Chicago Heights, IL

#20108 Jan 5, 2014
SaracenSam wrote:
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You are probably another one of those Chitown Southside Negr0es from the ghetto with an identity crisis as yo mamma doesn't know who yo daddy be & where he at. So you turn to these fake pseudo-scholars like the Mulatto Van Sertima for a father-figure & some pride in your so-called African heritage. All the world knows you WAA are from West Africa & West Africa has nothing to do with the Moors who were Berbers & Arabs. Get a life loser, you're the troll in here.
you're a total, low life, below trailer-trash idiot.....stop trolling these forums with ur racism.
go back to stormfront. No I have nothing to with W.A. you stereotyping low-life
trollslayer

Chicago Heights, IL

#20109 Jan 5, 2014
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
THE MOORS WERE BLACK
"The anthropological examination of skeletons found in tombs in Carthage proves that there is no racial unity [...] The so called Semitic type, characterized by the long, perfectly oval face, the thin aquiline nose and the lengthened cranium, enlarged over the nape of the neck has not been found in Carthage. On the other hand, another cranial form, with a fairly short face, prominent parietal bumps, farther forward and lower down than is usual is common [...] most of the Punic population in Carthage had African and even Negro ancestors" - Charles Picard "Daily Life in Carthage at the time of Hannibal"
Appian relates that the figurative Ethiopians "extend from eastern Ethiopia westward to the Mauritanian Mount Atlas."
Cambridge History of Africa: "The Soninke, the people of ancient Ghana, are the northernmost Sudanic people. Before the arrival of the Berbers, their ancestors had occupied the Sahara, as is suggested by the survival of black groups in Walata, Nema, Tichit, and as far Shinqit, who speak Azer, which is a Soninke dialect." 80% of Berber Y-chromosomes originate in east Africa, south of Egypt.
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).
 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).
"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.
thanks for the scholarly references.

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#20110 Jan 5, 2014
Afronazis wouldn't know scholarship from Marvel Comics.

That's why they believe in nonsense like black Olmecs, black Cro-Magnon, etc.

They have self-esteem problems.
dreamhunk

Calgary, Canada

#20111 Jan 5, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
Afronazis wouldn't know scholarship from Marvel Comics.
That's why they believe in nonsense like black Olmecs, black Cro-Magnon, etc.
They have self-esteem problems.
marvel comic is a racist company why would black people want listen to a racist company like marvel? Marvel has still not hired a black writer since Reginald Hudlin left Black Panther in 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20112 Jan 5, 2014
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
THE MOORS WERE BLACK
"The anthropological examination of skeletons found in tombs in Carthage proves that there is no racial unity [...] The so called Semitic type, characterized by the long, perfectly oval face, the thin aquiline nose and the lengthened cranium, enlarged over the nape of the neck has not been found in Carthage. On the other hand, another cranial form, with a fairly short face, prominent parietal bumps, farther forward and lower down than is usual is common [...] most of the Punic population in Carthage had African and even Negro ancestors" - Charles Picard "Daily Life in Carthage at the time of Hannibal"
Appian relates that the figurative Ethiopians "extend from eastern Ethiopia westward to the Mauritanian Mount Atlas."
Cambridge History of Africa: "The Soninke, the people of ancient Ghana, are the northernmost Sudanic people. Before the arrival of the Berbers, their ancestors had occupied the Sahara, as is suggested by the survival of black groups in Walata, Nema, Tichit, and as far Shinqit, who speak Azer, which is a Soninke dialect." 80% of Berber Y-chromosomes originate in east Africa, south of Egypt.
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).
 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).
"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.
AFRONAZI ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!!!!! If the Moors were all black, how did they turn white ?????? Chameleons ????? Modern Moors of Morocco:
www.youtube.com/watch...
7New Earth7

Europe

#20113 Jan 5, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
Afronazis wouldn't know scholarship from Marvel Comics.
That's why they believe in nonsense like black Olmecs, black Cro-Magnon, etc.
They have self-esteem problems.
Lol! Prior to the 19th century, blacks invented everything even electronics, but due to ww1 and ww2, whites started lying as if they are theirs!

So blacks don't have a self esteem problem, even Jesus was black ansd could heal and raise the dead, without reading and writing, just with divine skills! So all the drugs and lab science are retarded (backwardness)!
7New Earth7

Europe

#20114 Jan 5, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>AFRONAZI ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!!!!! If the Moors were all black, how did they turn white ?????? Chameleons ????? Modern Moors of Morocco:
www.youtube.com/watch...
Oh so this is where u at? Boo!

“I'm out hunting”

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Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#20115 Jan 5, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
He is identifying as a Moslem. That is why he claims to have conquered Persia and Romania (Eastern Empire). This is what the Arabs did to the minds of the Amazighen. Now it's the “Arab Maghreb”, and those who bought into this crap in order to have social status... well it's best described as analogous to a severe Uncle Tom in the USA, so eager to be validated by whites.
There are Amazigh people who still have ethnic consciousness. They are agitating, when they can, for language and cultural rights, in Morocco and Algeria. Most of this activism takes place in France.
The conscious ones say things like: The Arabs arrived on camels, they can leave on Boeings...
The Arab imperialists were very good at getting conquered people to act as their front men. Amazighen, Fulani, Mande... many bought into this. The handmaidens of Islam.
It's sickening.
Don't forget the Sudanese "Arabs" who are the descendants of Nubians who resisted Arab attacks for hundreds of yrs.

“I'm out hunting”

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Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#20116 Jan 6, 2014
motts wrote:
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You are so right. You see, they NEED Black people to believe their Eurocentric nonsense which is why they are here on this AA forum. Unfortunately for the EURONUT Trolls, there are no takers which is why they get so upset. Too bad for them.
They said Columbus discovered the New World..even though people were there already LOL!1
When people say that Columbus discovered the new world, they mean to say that he discovered infrom Europe
7New Earth7

UK

#20117 Jan 6, 2014
emperorjohn wrote:
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Don't forget the Sudanese "Arabs" who are the descendants of Nubians who resisted Arab attacks for hundreds of yrs.
What do u mean by Sudanese Arabs? Arabians are fair people !!

Arabians are from the Caucus mountains!

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