the moors were black africans not ara...

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#20060 Jan 2, 2014
CuloHecho wrote:
Are you more qualified than Dr Clarence Weiant?
Dr. Clarence Weiant
One of the oldest and most important archaeologists in America, Dr. Clarence Weiant, who was on the site in Mexico when the first stone heads (some with African features) were discovered, defends Van Sertima against attempts by the British archaeological establishment to discredit his earlier book,“They Came Before Columbus”.
HÉLL YÉS, I'm more qualified than "Dr. Clarence Weiant"!!

A pile of dog shít makes a better archaeologist than "Dr. Clarence Weiant".

Van Sertima's only defender was a man named Dr. Clarence Weiant who was more interested in archaeology through (((PARAPSYCHOLOGY))) than through conventional archaeological scientific methods, FÓÓL.

Van Sertima, despite having achieved full tenure was NEVER given a full professorship, and he was NOT a professor of Native American Studies, but of African Studies and whatever honors he may have gotten from Rutgers were only born of political motivation, as none of his papers were ever published in any properly accredited academic journals.

The things he published were through outside publishers, like Random House, or his own Journal of African Civilizations, which he exclusively edited and published for decades.

...continued on following post.*

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#20061 Jan 2, 2014
*CONTINUATION from last post:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_van_Sertima

“Van Sertima's work has been strongly criticized by opposing academics, who describe his claims to be ill-founded and false. Van Sertima's Journal of African Civilizations was not considered for inclusion in Journals of the Century.[10] In 1997 academics in a Journal of Current Anthropology article criticized in detail many elements of They Came Before Columbus (1976).[5] Except for a brief mention, the book had not previously been reviewed in an academic journal. The researchers wrote a systematic rebuttal of Van Sertima's claims, stating that Van Sertima's "proposal was without foundation" in claiming African diffusion as responsible for prehistoric Olmec culture (in present-day Mexico). They noted that no "genuine African artifact had been found in a controlled archaeological excavation in the New World." They noted that Olmec stone heads were carved hundreds of years prior to the claimed contact and only superficially appear to be African; the Nubians whom Van Sertima had claimed as their originators do not resemble these "portraits".[5] They further noted that in the 1980s, Van Sertima had changed his timeline of African influence, suggesting that Africans made their way to the New World in the 10th century B.C., to account for more recent independent scholarship in the dating of Olmec culture.[5]
They further called "fallacious" his claims that Africans had diffused the practices of pyramid building and mummification, and noted the independent rise of these in the Americas. Additionally, they wrote that Van Sertima was "diminishe[ing] the real achievements of Native American culture" by his claims of African origin for them.[5]
Van Sertima wrote a response to be included in the article (as is standard academic practice) but withdrew it. The journal required that reprints must include the entire article and would have had to include the original authors' response (written but not published) to his response.[5] Instead, Van Sertima replied to his critics in his journal volume published as Early America Revisited (1998).[11]
In a New York Times 1977 review of Van Sertima's 1976 They Came Before Columbus, the archaeologist Glyn Daniel labeled Van Sertima's work as "ignorant rubbish", and concluded that the works of Van Sertima, and Barry Fell, whom he was also reviewing, "give us badly argued theories based on fantasies".
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In 1981 Dean R. Snow, a professor of anthropology, wrote that Van Sertima "uses the now familiar technique of stringing together bits of carefully selected evidence, each surgically removed from the context that would give it a rational explanation". Snow continued, "The findings of professional archaeologists and physical anthropologists are misrepresented so that they seem to support the [Van Sertima] hypothesis".”

His only defender was a man named Dr. Clarence Weiant who was more interested in archaeology through parapsychology than through conventional archaeological scientific methods.

Ish Tov
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#20062 Jan 2, 2014
Curious Me wrote:
*CONTINUATION from last post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_van_Sertima
“Van Sertima's work has been strongly criticized by opposing academics, who describe his claims to be ill-founded and false. Van Sertima's Journal of African Civilizations was not considered for inclusion in Journals of the Century.[10] In 1997 academics in a Journal of Current Anthropology article criticized in detail many elements of They Came Before Columbus (1976).[5] Except for a brief mention, the book had not previously been reviewed in an academic journal. The researchers wrote a systematic rebuttal of Van Sertima's claims, stating that Van Sertima's "proposal was without foundation" in claiming African diffusion as responsible for prehistoric Olmec culture (in present-day Mexico). They noted that no "genuine African artifact had been found in a controlled archaeological excavation in the New World." They noted that Olmec stone heads were carved hundreds of years prior to the claimed contact and only superficially appear to be African; the Nubians whom Van Sertima had claimed as their originators do not resemble these "portraits".[5] They further noted that in the 1980s, Van Sertima had changed his timeline of African influence, suggesting that Africans made their way to the New World in the 10th century B.C., to account for more recent independent scholarship in the dating of Olmec culture.[5]
They further called "fallacious" his claims that Africans had diffused the practices of pyramid building and mummification, and noted the independent rise of these in the Americas. Additionally, they wrote that Van Sertima was "diminishe[ing] the real achievements of Native American culture" by his claims of African origin for them.[5]
Van Sertima wrote a response to be included in the article (as is standard academic practice) but withdrew it. The journal required that reprints must include the entire article and would have had to include the original authors' response (written but not published) to his response.[5] Instead, Van Sertima replied to his critics in his journal volume published as Early America Revisited (1998).[11]
In a New York Times 1977 review of Van Sertima's 1976 They Came Before Columbus, the archaeologist Glyn Daniel labeled Van Sertima's work as "ignorant rubbish", and concluded that the works of Van Sertima, and Barry Fell, whom he was also reviewing, "give us badly argued theories based on fantasies".
•••••••
In 1981 Dean R. Snow, a professor of anthropology, wrote that Van Sertima "uses the now familiar technique of stringing together bits of carefully selected evidence, each surgically removed from the context that would give it a rational explanation". Snow continued, "The findings of professional archaeologists and physical anthropologists are misrepresented so that they seem to support the [Van Sertima] hypothesis".”
His only defender was a man named Dr. Clarence Weiant who was more interested in archaeology through parapsychology than through conventional archaeological scientific methods.
Wow, those 2 academic giants remind me for some reason of Dr. José Pimienta-Buey, David Imhotep, Runuoko Rashidi and the inimitable Clyde Winters.

Total FRAUDS!
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20063 Jan 3, 2014
Dr. Clarence Weiant is the RESPECTED AND ACCEPTED expert by BLACK people on this BLACK forum when dealing with the subject of the Olmecs.

AA and other Black people here do not care what the Mongrel-Troll brigade who offer nothing but pseudo-archaeology from fraudulent eurocentric so-called archaeologists who have LIED their way into history.

Coe is a liar and a fraud.

Those Olmec heads are BLACK AFRICANS…PROVEN AND CONFIRMED..

Now, back to the Moors..

The Moors were Black

Blacks are indigenous to North Africa.

WHATCHAGONNADO ISH TOFF?
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20064 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
Dr. Clarence Weiant is the RESPECTED AND ACCEPTED expert by BLACK people on this BLACK forum when dealing with the subject of the Olmecs.
AA and other Black people here do not care what the Mongrel-Troll brigade who offer nothing but pseudo-archaeology from fraudulent eurocentric so-called archaeologists who have LIED their way into history.
Coe is a liar and a fraud.
Those Olmec heads are BLACK AFRICANS…PROVEN AND CONFIRMED..
Now, back to the Moors..
The Moors were Black
Blacks are indigenous to North Africa.
WHATCHAGONNADO ISH TOFF?
Yip these are INDIGENOUS NORTH AFRICANS AND THE MAJORITY in Morocco:
www.youtube.com/watch...
Dr. Clarence Weiant lived when Noah was alive! He has long been pushing up daisies!
There has been DNA taken from the Olmec skeletons with the result coming out later this year! I doubt they are Africans. More likely Australoids!
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20065 Jan 3, 2014
One of the oldest and most important archaeologists in America, Dr. Clarence Weiant, who was on the site in Mexico when the first stone heads (some with African features) were discovered, defends Van Sertima against attempts by the British archaeological establishment to discredit his earlier book,“They Came Before Columbus”.
“Van Sertima's work,” Dr. Weiant writes,“is a summary of six or seven years of meticulous research based upon archaeology, egyptology, African history, oceanography, astronomy, botany, rare Arabic and Chinese manuscripts, the letters and journals of early American explorers, and the observations of physical anthropologists...As one who has been immersed in Mexican archaeology for some forty years, and who participated in the excavation of the first giant heads, I must confess, I am thoroughly convinced of the soundness of Van Sertima’s conclusions.”

—Dr. Clarence Weiant
Letter to the New York Times, May 1, 1977

CASE CLOSED

trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#20066 Jan 3, 2014
SaracenSam wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't call me a MoFo boy, we are not in the ghetto, I am not discussing original man. We are discussing the Moors, who were not West African Negr0es like yourself.
You come here trolling these forum you will be treated ANYWAY I CHOOSE. Original Moor were Original Africans. Your trollish manipulation of African history will not be tolerated here. Any white or bi-racial moors are the result white slaves being brought into Africa by the Original Moors. No I am not West African, you village IDIOT.
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#20067 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
One of the oldest and most important archaeologists in America, Dr. Clarence Weiant, who was on the site in Mexico when the first stone heads (some with African features) were discovered, defends Van Sertima against attempts by the British archaeological establishment to discredit his earlier book,“They Came Before Columbus”.
“Van Sertima's work,” Dr. Weiant writes,“is a summary of six or seven years of meticulous research based upon archaeology, egyptology, African history, oceanography, astronomy, botany, rare Arabic and Chinese manuscripts, the letters and journals of early American explorers, and the observations of physical anthropologists...As one who has been immersed in Mexican archaeology for some forty years, and who participated in the excavation of the first giant heads, I must confess, I am thoroughly convinced of the soundness of Van Sertima’s conclusions.”
—Dr. Clarence Weiant
Letter to the New York Times, May 1, 1977
CASE CLOSED
Matthew Stirling and many have confirmed the identity of Omecs. The Olmecs themselves have confirmed their ID by leaving us their sculptures
http://anthropology.si.edu/olmec/english/arch...
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#20068 Jan 3, 2014
so if Van Sertima isn't recognized by whites, then he isn't a legitimate scholar..LOL. The trolls need to do better.

Ish Tov
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#20069 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
Dr. Clarence Weiant is the RESPECTED AND ACCEPTED expert by BLACK people on this BLACK forum when dealing with the subject of the Olmecs.
AA and other Black people here do not care what the Mongrel-Troll brigade who offer nothing but pseudo-archaeology from fraudulent eurocentric so-called archaeologists who have LIED their way into history.
Coe is a liar and a fraud.
Those Olmec heads are BLACK AFRICANS…PROVEN AND CONFIRMED..
Now, back to the Moors..
The Moors were Black
Blacks are indigenous to North Africa.
WHATCHAGONNADO ISH TOFF?
LOL!!! Afronazis on Topix accept Weiant, so never mind that he was a complete fruitcake!

Coe is the leading expert on Mesoamerica. He is respected everywhere... except by Afronazis, of course.

So whom shall I believe... ALL the REAL archaeologists working on Mesoamerica... or a pack of Afronazi nutballs on Topix... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Gee I don't know. And what should I believe regarding the Maghreb... all the real scientific evidence, or a pack of Afronazi nutballs on Topix... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Ish Tov
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#20070 Jan 3, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
You come here trolling these forum you will be treated ANYWAY I CHOOSE. Original Moor were Original Africans. Your trollish manipulation of African history will not be tolerated here. Any white or bi-racial moors are the result white slaves being brought into Africa by the Original Moors. No I am not West African, you village IDIOT.
Wrong, Afronazi nutball boy. The original Moors were non-black Berbers from the Maghreb, as is proven by a mountain of evidence, contained in scientific literature you are apparently incapable of reading due to all the long words and complex sentences.

Get an education, boy.

Ish Tov
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#20071 Jan 3, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
so if Van Sertima isn't recognized by whites, then he isn't a legitimate scholar..LOL. The trolls need to do better.
Van Sertima isn't recognized by legitimate scholars.

He never proved anything, never was peer reviewed...

He was a charlatan and a fraud. He was a liar who made money conning gullible Afronazi cultists like you, boy.
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20072 Jan 3, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
Van Sertima isn't recognized by legitimate scholars.
He never proved anything, never was peer reviewed...
He was a charlatan and a fraud. He was a liar who made money conning gullible Afronazi cultists like you, boy.
He is recognised by those who know that eurocentric brainwashing such as Columbus discovered the Americas had to be put to bed.

Let's read about the Great man..

Ivan Van Sertima was born in Guyana, South America. He was educated at the School of Oriental and African Studies (London University) and the Rutgers Graduate School and holds degrees in African Studies and Anthropology. From 1957-1959 he served as a Press and Broadcasting Officer in the Guyana Information Services. During the decade of the 1960s he broadcast weekly from Britain to Africa and the Caribbean.
He is a literary critic, a linguist, an anthropologist and has made a name in all three fields.

As a literary critic, he is the author of Caribbean Writers, a collection of critical essays on the Caribbean novel. He is also the author of several major literary reviews published in Denmark, India, Britain and the United States. He was honored for his work in this field by being asked by the Nobel Committee of the Swedish Academy to nominate candidates for the Nobel Prize in Literature from 1976-1980. He has also been honored as an historian of world repute by being asked to join UNESCO's International Commission for Rewriting the Scientific and Cultural History of Mankind.

As a linguist, he has published essays on the dialect of the Sea Islands off the Georgia Coast. He is also the compiler of the Swahili Dictionary of Legal Terms, based on his field work in Tanzania, East Africa, in 1967.

He is the author of They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America, which was published by Random House in 1977 and is presently in its twenty-ninth printing. It was published in French in 1981 and in the same year, was awarded the Clarence L. Holte Prize, a prize awarded every two years “for a work of excellence in literature and the humanities relating to the cultural heritage of Africa and the African diaspora.”

He also authored Early America Revisited, a book that has enriched the study of a wide range of subjects, from archaeology to anthropology, and has resulted in profound changes in the reordering of historical priorities and pedagogy.

Professor of African Studies at Rutgers University, Dr. Van Sertima was also Visiting Professor at Princeton University. He is the Editor of the Journal of African Civilizations, which he founded in 1979 and has published several major anthologies which have influenced the development of multicultural curriculum in the United States. These anthologies include Blacks in Science: ancient and modern, Black Women in Antiquity, Egypt Revisited, Egypt: Child of Africa, Nile Valley Civilizations (now included within the pages of Egypt: Child of Africa), African Presence in the Art of the Americas, African Presence in Early Asia (co-edited with Runoko Rashidi), African Presence in Early Europe, African Presence in Early America, Great African Thinkers, Great Black Leaders: ancient and modern and Golden Age of the Moor.

As an acclaimed poet, his work graces the pages of River and the Wall, 1953 and has been published in English and German. As an essayist, his major pieces were published in Talk That Talk, 1989, Future Directions for African and African American Content in the School Curriculum, 1986, Enigma of Values, 1979, and in Black Life and Culture in the United States, 1971.
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20073 Jan 3, 2014
Continued..

Dr. Van Sertima has lectured at more than 100 universities in the United States and has also lectured in Canada, the Caribbean, South America and Europe. In 1991 Dr. Van Sertima defended his highly controversial thesis on the African presence in pre-Columbian America before the Smithsonian. In 1994 the Smithsonian published his address in Race, Discourse and the Origin of the Americas: A New World View of 1492.

He was also asked by Congress to appear before a Congressional Committee on July 7, 1987 to challenge the Columbus myth. This landmark presentation before Congress was illuminating and brilliantly presented in the name of all peoples of color across the world.

Sounds like a man who challenged the eurocentric establishment successfully, and made many take notice.

Africans made it to the Americas long before that fool Columbus.
Nothing you can do about it.
motts

Bridgetown, Barbados

#20076 Jan 3, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
Van Sertima isn't recognized by legitimate scholars.
He never proved anything, never was peer reviewed...
He was a charlatan and a fraud. He was a liar who made money conning gullible Afronazi cultists like you, boy.
You mean he isn't recognised by eurocentric racist scholars who manipulate history for their white supremacist agenda. He was recognised by very important scholars and Universities all over the world where he lectured on various topics.

If Coe had found those BLACK olmec heads, he would have destroyed the African one for sure.

People have been brainwashed by euronuts for decades, but now the cracks have appeared and all that whitewashing of history is being disinfected with TRUTH. Sad to say but all your hard work and around the clock trolling is to no avail, no one is falling for your lies. In nearly every thread you get obliterated. I love when that guy Ben Yisraeli destroyed you about the Jews' ethnicity, you didn't even have the courage to go back. LOL!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20077 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
Continued..
Dr. Van Sertima has lectured at more than 100 universities in the United States and has also lectured in Canada, the Caribbean, South America and Europe. In 1991 Dr. Van Sertima defended his highly controversial thesis on the African presence in pre-Columbian America before the Smithsonian. In 1994 the Smithsonian published his address in Race, Discourse and the Origin of the Americas: A New World View of 1492.
He was also asked by Congress to appear before a Congressional Committee on July 7, 1987 to challenge the Columbus myth. This landmark presentation before Congress was illuminating and brilliantly presented in the name of all peoples of color across the world.
Sounds like a man who challenged the eurocentric establishment successfully, and made many take notice.
Africans made it to the Americas long before that fool Columbus.
Nothing you can do about it.
Its also a known fact Vikings went to America. After all they lived in Greenland which isnt far from North America!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20078 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean he isn't recognised by eurocentric racist scholars who manipulate history for their white supremacist agenda. He was recognised by very important scholars and Universities all over the world where he lectured on various topics.
If Coe had found those BLACK olmec heads, he would have destroyed the African one for sure.
People have been brainwashed by euronuts for decades, but now the cracks have appeared and all that whitewashing of history is being disinfected with TRUTH. Sad to say but all your hard work and around the clock trolling is to no avail, no one is falling for your lies. In nearly every thread you get obliterated. I love when that guy Ben Yisraeli destroyed you about the Jews' ethnicity, you didn't even have the courage to go back. LOL!
Oh please Im on the Hebrew Israelite all the time! Jews originated in Israel according to PALESTINIAN Dr. Nadia AL Zahery;
www.israelunseen.com/myth-exposed-ashkenazi-j...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#20079 Jan 3, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
so if Van Sertima isn't recognized by whites, then he isn't a legitimate scholar..LOL. The trolls need to do better.
He was an Afronazi and now he is pushing up daisies LOL

“DANGER!!”

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#20080 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
Dr. Clarence Weiant is the RESPECTED AND ACCEPTED expert by BLACK people on this BLACK forum when dealing with the subject of the Olmecs.
AA and other Black people here do not care what the Mongrel-Troll brigade who offer nothing but pseudo-archaeology from fraudulent eurocentric so-called archaeologists who have LIED their way into history.
Coe is a liar and a fraud.
Those Olmec heads are BLACK AFRICANS…PROVEN AND CONFIRMED..
Now, back to the Moors..
The Moors were Black
Blacks are indigenous to North Africa.
WHATCHAGONNADO ISH TOFF?
"Dr. Clarence Weiant is the RESPECTED AND ACCEPTED"!!???

HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!

NOBODY gives a flying FÚÇK what a wild whooping pack of Jïggadïboob áss hóles like YOU happen to 'think', excepting of course for the sake of entertainment.

Clairvoyant Archaeology much?
African AE

Brackenfell, South Africa

#20081 Jan 3, 2014
motts wrote:
Continued..
Dr. Van Sertima has lectured at more than 100 universities in the United States and has also lectured in Canada, the Caribbean, South America and Europe. In 1991 Dr. Van Sertima defended his highly controversial thesis on the African presence in pre-Columbian America before the Smithsonian. In 1994 the Smithsonian published his address in Race, Discourse and the Origin of the Americas: A New World View of 1492.
He was also asked by Congress to appear before a Congressional Committee on July 7, 1987 to challenge the Columbus myth. This landmark presentation before Congress was illuminating and brilliantly presented in the name of all peoples of color across the world.
Sounds like a man who challenged the eurocentric establishment successfully, and made many take notice.
Africans made it to the Americas long before that fool Columbus.
Nothing you can do about it.
He is an Ahole without any proof! DNA testing is being done this year so hopefully the truth will come out!!!! The other thing is, NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE NO AFRICAN DNA!!!!!!! Where the Olmecs all gay or were they shooting blanks ??????????

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