the moors were black africans not ara...
motts

UK

#18173 Oct 26, 2013
THE EUROPEANS KNOW WHAT MOORS LOOKED LIKE, WHILE YANKEE EURONUTS PERSIST WITH THEIR FANTASIES OF WHITE MOORS...

THE MOORS
Moor figure in sanssouci potsdam, Germany
http://wikimapia.org/17270480/Moorish-Rondell...

Moor figure in scauffhausen, Switzerland (copy and paste, all one link)
http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/infra_anlagen...

Statue of Saint Benedict the Moor in the Franciscan church in Santiago de Compostela, Spain
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3560/338451882...

Another image of a Black Moor can be seen on the Coat of Arms of His Holiness Benedict XVI.:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xv...

The following link show a statue of BLACK AFRICAN MOORS in Venice Italy

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-83388826/stoc...

Moor sculpture in Memmingen, Germany
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Memmin...

The Coburg Moor
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zsenya/499998250...

St. Mauritius the Moor
http://www.taneter.org/moors.html

A MOOR on the COAT OF ARMS of CORSICA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arm...

4 MOORS on the COAT OF ARMS of SARDINIA
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Coats_of_ar...
Image of Gannibal the Moor of St Petersburg

http://bulletsandhoney.wordpress.com/2005/08/...
motts

UK

#18174 Oct 26, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why is all that black DNA not in Spain now, boy?
LOL... you have no answer, just more BS.
You dumb turd.
Whatchagonnado about all the REAL evidence confirming that:
1. the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years; and,
2. most of the Moors in Iberia were non-black Berbers.
Eh, putz?
COME ON BS....STOP THE BS....YOU BIG RACIST FRAUD!!

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
c
motts

UK

#18175 Oct 26, 2013

Ish Tov
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#18176 Oct 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
there a vid on utube with all the indigenous African N. Africans listed. I'll try to find it
Youtube University. That's the only transcript you can provide, boy.

Payaso.

Ish Tov
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Since: Sep 13

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#18177 Oct 26, 2013
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
COME ON BS....STOP THE BS....YOU BIG RACIST FRAUD!!
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
c
You don't address the evidence posted, boy.

That is because you're a racist culture-vulture liar.

That makes you a subhuman piece of crap, boy.

You have no evidence for any Africans in the Maghreb 30,000 years ago, do you, boy.

Of course you don't.

So keep on BS'ing, boy. That's all you know.
whatsinaname

Versailles, IN

#18178 Oct 26, 2013
Did any of you take history class?

The Moors were actually quite diverse. Mostly Black AND Arab, some Spaniards, strung together by Islam.

They were massacred during the crusades. 50,000 died in one battle.

Ish Tov
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Since: Sep 13

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#18179 Oct 26, 2013
motts wrote:
MOOR = BLACK = AFRICAN
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).
 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).
"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.
CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WE ALL KNOW …MOORS WERE BLACK.
Wrong again, boy.

They castrated male slaves and did not allow babies to survive from the females, used as concubines.

More Africans died in the trans-Sahara crossing under Mozlem control than in the Middle Passage across the Atlantic.

And what? Subsaharan ancestry in Berbers is due to Medieval slavery? LOL!!!

You just punked & debunked your own case, clown.

Ish Tov
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#18180 Oct 26, 2013
whatsinaname wrote:
Did any of you take history class?
The Moors were actually quite diverse. Mostly Black AND Arab, some Spaniards, strung together by Islam.
They were massacred during the crusades. 50,000 died in one battle.
Wrong. Most were Berbers.

You make the usual mistake of pretending that the Berbers don't exist. You think a Eurasian looking person in the Maghreb is an Arab. Wrong. Arabs there are a minority, the result of the imperialist Arab expansion which has oppressed the Maghreb as many other places for centuries.

“DANGER!!”

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#18181 Oct 26, 2013
motts wrote:
MOOR = BLACK = AFRICAN
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).
 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).
"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.
CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WE ALL KNOW …MOORS WERE BLACK.
What does credibility could "UNESCO" ever possibly hope to possess!!???

It's an organization which has spurned non Muslim and non Congoid scientific anthropological analyses.

They 'think' themselves immune from having to provide proof for any of their wild pronouncements.

It is merely a pseudo-intellectual's socio-political rhetorical spewing hole.

There is no truth in them.

You or anyone else say that something is so, because "UNESCO" said it's so, will still have to provide LEGITIMATE PROOF with which to support their drivel, FÓÓL.

“DANGER!!”

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#18182 Oct 26, 2013
Ooooops, should have proof read...

"What credibility could "UNESCO" ever possibly hope to possess!!???
motts

UK

#18183 Oct 26, 2013
MOOR = BLACK = AFRICAN

"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).

 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).

"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.

CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WE ALL KNOW …MOORS WERE BLACK.
motts

UK

#18184 Oct 26, 2013
SPAIN'S DARK HISTORY REVEALED!!

HOW THE BLACK MOORS CONQUERED, CIVILISED AND EDUCATED SPAIN

http://ixwa.hubpages.com/hub/The-History-And-... #

Moros_y_Cristianos or Moors and Christians.
AKA.. BLACK BEANS and WHITE RICE!!

I think we know who the 'BLACK BEANS' were, never mind the 'WHITE RICE'

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres...

TROLL (Barros) and TROLLETTE (Vacuous she)...no amount of ranting and raving will erase the fact that Black men ruled Spain for 800 years, breeding the women and leaving Spain virtually a mixed-race nation.
motts

UK

#18185 Oct 26, 2013
The following link charts part of the Moors History in Jamaica during Slavery.:
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http://www.caribbeanmuslims.com/attachments/1...

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#18188 Oct 26, 2013
There is no need to separate Mouro, Moors and N* egroes as they represent the SAME people. Dark brown skinned Africans were known as Mouro or Moors in ancient and medieval Europe they became N* egroes when the Moors were defeated, enslaved and sold to America by European slavers and colonialists in 15C

"Though men of Nubia be Christians they be as the Moors for the great heat of the sun,
trollslayer

Lansing, IL

#18189 Oct 26, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why is all that black DNA not in Spain now, boy?
LOL... you have no answer, just more BS.
You dumb turd.
Whatchagonnado about all the REAL evidence confirming that:
1. the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years; and,
2. most of the Moors in Iberia were non-black Berbers.
Eh, putz?
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
COME ON BS....STOP THE BS....YOU BIG RACIST FRAUD!!
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
c
good job motts....don't ever stop. Your question SLAYS the troll element
trollslayer

Lansing, IL

#18190 Oct 26, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't address the evidence posted, boy.
That is because you're a racist culture-vulture liar.
That makes you a subhuman piece of crap, boy.
You have no evidence for any Africans in the Maghreb 30,000 years ago, do you, boy.
Of course you don't.
So keep on BS'ing, boy. That's all you know.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
JUST POST it!

Ish Tov
Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#18191 Oct 26, 2013
motts wrote:
SPAIN'S DARK HISTORY REVEALED!!
HOW THE BLACK MOORS CONQUERED, CIVILISED AND EDUCATED SPAIN
http://ixwa.hubpages.com/hub/The-History-And-... #
Moros_y_Cristianos or Moors and Christians.
AKA.. BLACK BEANS and WHITE RICE!!
I think we know who the 'BLACK BEANS' were, never mind the 'WHITE RICE'
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres...
TROLL (Barros) and TROLLETTE (Vacuous she)...no amount of ranting and raving will erase the fact that Black men ruled Spain for 800 years, breeding the women and leaving Spain virtually a mixed-race nation.
No amount of evidence substantiates your idiotic and racist claim.
Obviously you like to wank to fantasies of raping pearly-bottomed slave girls.
You sick bastard.

Ish Tov
Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#18192 Oct 26, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS?
JUST POST it!
You're failing to provide evidence for Africans in the Maghreb 30,000 years ago.

You're failing to account for the extensive archeological and genetic evidence for Eurasians in the Maghreb for 30,000 years.

So cram it.
trollslayer

Lansing, IL

#18195 Oct 27, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
You're failing to provide evidence for Africans in the Maghreb 30,000 years ago.
You're failing to account for the extensive archeological and genetic evidence for Eurasians in the Maghreb for 30,000 years.
So cram it.
you DEFLECTING LITTLE TROLL YOU COME TO A AA FORUM TALKING UNPROVEN B.S., then ASK IN TURN FOR PROOF OF YOUR B.S.

Are stupid enough to think you use psychological manipulation on MY WATCH.....bring your links or STFU and STOP TROLLING.
trollslayer

Lansing, IL

#18196 Oct 27, 2013
motts wrote:
MOOR = BLACK = AFRICAN
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous”(wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste." (S.O.Y Keita, "Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa," American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 83:35-48 (1990).
 Joseph Vogel stressed: "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north." (Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California, 1997, pp. 465-472).
"Except for the Zandj (black slaves) from lower Iraq, no large body of blacks historically linked to the trans-Saharan slave trade existed anywhere in the Arab world ... The high costs of slaves, because of the risks inherent in the desert crossing, which would have not permitted such a massive exodus ... Until the Crusades the Muslim world drew its slaves from two main sources: Eastern and Central Europe (Slavs) and Turkestan. The Sudan only came third." - Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988.
CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WE ALL KNOW …MOORS WERE BLACK.
The return of Blacks to N.Africa
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3941/backf...
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" Frigi, Keita and others show substantial "sub-Saharan" gene presence in North Africa, again contradicting all to convenient "Eurasian" claims."

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/153/hypocr...
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Skewed sampling of N.Africa

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1120/harichs...
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