the moors were black africans not ara...
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17485 Sep 27, 2013
...at 14:40, what is this? Who are these PPL.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17486 Sep 27, 2013
start at 17:00...onward why does she say those non-whites are Minoan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17487 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
Why didn't they use Minoan male DNA samples in the study?
THE ANCIENT MINOANS/CRETANS WERE OF AFRICAN DESCENT
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
???????? why NO MALE samples?????
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17488 Sep 27, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:

In his Genes, Peoples and Languages 2001, Cavalli Sforza, repeats what he said in 1997 that Europeans are, in their ancestry, two-thirds Asians and one-third African.
Claiming that the E haplogroup or one of many subclades is not of African origin is a blatant lie.
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2
Y-DNA Haplogroup E originated in Africa and is an early branch of the Y-DNA lineage. Only three genetic variations (SNPs) on the Y-DNA of Haplogroup E separate it from the founding Y-DNA Haplogroup A , aka ‘Y-DNA Adam’.
Haplogroup E is abundant in all regions in Africa and in some populations it makes up nearly 100% of the Y-DNA.
The origin of this Y-chromosome is most likely in East Africa, near Ethiopia.
Migrations to the no places are still Black Africans for a very good reason, they did not mix with Eurasian or Western Asians invaders, settlers, occupiers or slaves.
Why can't you just accept that Europe, a vast peninsula of the continent of Eurasia is a fairly RECENT racially-based geopolitical construction and a cultural invention?
Before the creation of the European "continent", Africans migrated and settled in the European peninsula.
They mixed with Eurasians and of indigenous Black Tunisians, Moroccans, Algerians, Libyans, Mauritanians.
You must be blind not to see that stereotypical indigenous light brown Maghrebi have varying levels of Black African ancestry.
Man you are stupid. Genetic scientists including Cavalli Sforza have stated many times that Y-DNA Haplogroup E found in Europe is predominately that of the Eurasian EV13 marker, this marker did NOT arise among you Sub Saharan types but among Eurasians in the Near East its mutation was among Neolithic Eurasians from the Near East but it AROSE in Europeans that is why its most common in Europeans because its a European markers, which is why it is NOT common in Africans.

"As to a western Asia–Europe connection, our data suggest that -----> western Asians carrying E-V13 <---- may have reached the Balkans anytime after 17.0 ky ago, but expanded into Europe not earlier than 5.3 ky ago. Accordingly, the allele frequency peak is located in Europe, whereas the distribution of microsatellite allele variance shows a maximum in western Asia (fig. 5). Based on previously published data (Scozzari et al. 2001; Di Giacomo et al. 2004; Semino et al. 2004; Marjanovic et al. 2005), we observed that another haplogroup, J-M12, shows a frequency distribution within Europe similar to that observed for E-V13."

"The European E-V13 microsatellite haplotypes are related to each other to form a nearly perfect star-like network (fig. 4A), a likely consequence of a rapid demographic expansion (Jobling et al. 2004). The TMRCA of the --> EUROPEAN <-- E-V13 chromosomes turns out to be 4.0–4.7 ky (under 2 different demographic expansion scenarios, see Subjects and Methods; 95% CI 3.5–4.6 ky and 4.1–5.3 ky, respectively).

The low E-V13 frequency (0.9%) and microsatellite variance (0.13) in northern Africa do not support an antiquity greater than in western Asia. Thus, the E-V13 ----> ORIGINATED <--- in western Asia about 11 ky ago, and its presence in northern Africa is the result of a more recent introgression. E-V13 chromosomes sampled in western Asia and their coalescence estimate detect a likely Paleolithic exit out of Africa of E-M78 chromosomes ---> DEVOID <--- of the V13 mutation, which later occurred somewhere in the Near East/Anatolia." ~ Cruciani et al.

"Moors" did not hold a racial identity, stupid, it was originally meant towards North African Berbers, later on it was applied towards mostly Muslims of ANY COLOR and race including many who were white, black, brown, mixed and everything in between, moron. In other words included many Moors who were not 'black'.
http://warfare.totalh.net/Cantiga/Cantigas_de...
http://warfare.totalh.net/Cantiga/Cantigas_de...

Now go pound sand, you Afrocentric idiot.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17489 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
start at 17:00...onward why does she say those non-whites are Minoan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch
No one says any Minoans were 'none whites', you stupidass with your idiotic Youtube videos. All scientific and archeological evidence shows te Minoans to be Europeans aka white folk and NOT related to your Sub Saharan Africans, dumbass. Deal with it, you reject.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17490 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
???????? why NO MALE samples?????
They test MALE samples that showed to be predominated European/Eurasian with NO Sub Saharan African evidence what so ever, you hard of reading Afroclownish troll.

"Sudies of the ancient Y-DNA from the earlier Neolithic cave burials of Cardium pottery culture men shows they were mainly haplogroup G2a. These 'Neolithic lineages' accounted for 22% of the total European Y chromosome gene pool, and were predominantly found in Southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southeastern Bulgaria, southeastern Iberia)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe
dreamhunk

Calgary, Canada

#17491 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
THE ANCIENT MINOANS/CRETANS WERE OF AFRICAN DESCENT
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
why are all the men dark with Dreadlocks or closely cropped hair?
your links do not work can you re post them please.
dreamhunk

Calgary, Canada

#17492 Sep 27, 2013
maybe even give the name of the youtube video
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17493 Sep 27, 2013
dreamhunk wrote:
<quoted text>
your links do not work can you re post them please.
The Afroclownish youtube link doesn't work because its fool of crap just like you. The Ancient Minoans/Creans were of European Descent similar to modern Europeans today. Hebrew were Middle Eastern people similar to modern Middle Eastern people today. And North Africans were similar to modern North Africans today, No Truth Dumbass.

North African Populations Carry the Signature of Admixture with Neandertals

Federico Sánchez-Quinto et al.

One of the main findings derived from the analysis of the Neandertal genome was the evidence for admixture between Neandertals and non-African modern humans. An alternative scenario is that the ancestral population of non-Africans was closer to Neandertals than to Africans because of ancient population substructure. Thus, the study of North African populations is crucial for testing both hypotheses. We analyzed a total of 780,000 SNPs in 125 individuals representing seven different North African locations and searched for their ancestral/derived state in comparison to different human populations and Neandertals. We found that North African populations have a significant excess of derived alleles shared with Neandertals, when compared to sub-Saharan Africans. This excess is similar to that found in non-African humans, a fact that can be interpreted as a sign of Neandertal admixture. Furthermore, the Neandertal's genetic signal is higher in populations with a local, pre-Neolithic North African ancestry. Therefore, the detected ancient admixture is not due to recent Near Eastern or European migrations. Sub-Saharan populations are the only ones not affected by the admixture event with Neandertals.
dreamhunk

Calgary, Canada

#17494 Sep 27, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
The Afroclownish youtube link doesn't work because its fool of crap just like you. The Ancient Minoans/Creans were of European Descent similar to modern Europeans today. Hebrew were Middle Eastern people similar to modern Middle Eastern people today. And North Africans were similar to modern North Africans today, No Truth Dumbass.
North African Populations Carry the Signature of Admixture with Neandertals
Federico Sánchez-Quinto et al.
One of the main findings derived from the analysis of the Neandertal genome was the evidence for admixture between Neandertals and non-African modern humans. An alternative scenario is that the ancestral population of non-Africans was closer to Neandertals than to Africans because of ancient population substructure. Thus, the study of North African populations is crucial for testing both hypotheses. We analyzed a total of 780,000 SNPs in 125 individuals representing seven different North African locations and searched for their ancestral/derived state in comparison to different human populations and Neandertals. We found that North African populations have a significant excess of derived alleles shared with Neandertals, when compared to sub-Saharan Africans. This excess is similar to that found in non-African humans, a fact that can be interpreted as a sign of Neandertal admixture. Furthermore, the Neandertal's genetic signal is higher in populations with a local, pre-Neolithic North African ancestry. Therefore, the detected ancient admixture is not due to recent Near Eastern or European migrations. Sub-Saharan populations are the only ones not affected by the admixture event with Neandertals.
I kicked your butt before don't even get me started
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17495 Sep 27, 2013
dreamhunk wrote:
<quoted text>I kicked your butt before don't even get me started
The only thing that got kicked was your Afrocentric idiotic lies, No TruthDumbass. You are nothing but an uneducated fraud and a liar.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17496 Sep 27, 2013
If these do not work paste the title below into the YouTube browser. OK dreamhunk and other NON-troll posters...here are the questions observations this vid brings up. By the way, pictures and artifacts ARE REAL and AUTHENTIC in the vid. Ok let's go:

1)Why didn't they use Minoan male DNA samples in the study?

2)why are all the men dark with Dreadlocks or closely cropped [email protected] 9:04, 8:37, 14:40 & 14:48

3)...at 14:40, what is this? Who are these PPL.?

4) note the Nubian sheilds @ 13:00

5) note the "boxing glove" @ 15:06. How can this be explained away as NOT being of African influence>

6) Why do all the MEN HAVE DARK 0r BROWN-skin like
Ethiopians in the paintings, frescoes and reliefs?

7) Here's the coups de grâce........ start at 17:00...onward why does she say those non-whites are Minoan?

THE ANCIENT MINOANS/CRETANS WERE OF AFRICAN DESCENT

http://www.google.com/url...
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17497 Sep 27, 2013
THE FRESCOES DO NOT LIE. Believe what you see, question what is written by history manipulators.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancien...
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http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancien...

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http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancien...

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trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17498 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
If these do not work paste the title below into the YouTube browser. OK dreamhunk and other NON-troll posters...here are the questions observations this vid brings up. By the way, pictures and artifacts ARE REAL and AUTHENTIC in the vid. Ok let's go:
1)Why didn't they use Minoan male DNA samples in the study?
2)why are all the men dark with Dreadlocks or closely cropped [email protected] 9:04, 8:37, 14:40 & 14:48
3)...at 14:40, what is this? Who are these PPL.?
4) note the Nubian sheilds @ 13:00
5) note the "boxing glove" @ 15:06. How can this be explained away as NOT being of African influence>
6) Why do all the MEN HAVE DARK 0r BROWN-skin like
Ethiopians in the paintings, frescoes and reliefs?
7) Here's the coups de grâce........ start at 17:00...onward why does she say those non-whites are Minoan?
THE ANCIENT MINOANS/CRETANS WERE OF AFRICAN DESCENT
http://www.google.com/url...
Bump for the non-troll posters
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17499 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
If these do not work paste the title below into the YouTube browser. OK dreamhunk and other NON-troll posters...here are the questions observations this vid brings up. By the way, pictures and artifacts ARE REAL and AUTHENTIC in the vid. Ok let's go:
1)Why didn't they use Minoan male DNA samples in the study?
2)why are all the men dark with Dreadlocks or closely cropped [email protected] 9:04, 8:37, 14:40 & 14:48
3)...at 14:40, what is this? Who are these PPL.?
4) note the Nubian sheilds @ 13:00
5) note the "boxing glove" @ 15:06. How can this be explained away as NOT being of African influence>
6) Why do all the MEN HAVE DARK 0r BROWN-skin like
Ethiopians in the paintings, frescoes and reliefs?
7) Here's the coups de grâce........ start at 17:00...onward why does she say those non-whites are Minoan?
THE ANCIENT MINOANS/CRETANS WERE OF AFRICAN DESCENT
http://www.google.com/url...
Reject trolling dumbass. Nothing about that Afroclownish Youtube clip you posted is 'authentic'. Its another crazyass and laughable clip that some Afroclown like you posted that makes black people look foolish trying to claim clearly Europeans like the Minoans who were never black NOR related to your Sub Saharan African types, you self hating idiot. No one has claimed the Minoans as non-whites, and the Minoans did not have dreadlocks, nor do they cluster genetically nor phenotypically with any Ethiopians or Sub Saharan Africans, jackass. The dark skin on males was SEX based not Race based, you self hating reject. Or are we suppose to believe that even in ancient times Pale Skinned White women were preferred by males over your BLACK Females? HAHA! What a self hating Afroclown of a Jackass you are.

The dark skinned males, white female depictions in Minoan was SEX based and NOT race based, idiot. Males typically depicted dark and females pale white.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Both Male DNA and Female DNA was sampled from ancient Minoans and it proved without a doubt that THE ANCIENT MINOANS/CRETANS WERE OF EUROPEAN DESCENT. Now go search for your long lost relatives in West Sub Sahara Africa and NOT in people who were NEVER black NOR Sub Saharan Africans, you trolling clown.

"Sudies of the ancient Y-DNA from the earlier Neolithic cave burials of Cardium pottery culture men shows they were mainly haplogroup G2a. These 'Neolithic lineages' accounted for 22% of the total European Y chromosome gene pool, and were predominantly found in Southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southeastern Bulgaria, southeastern Iberia)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe ...

"Ancient Greek civilization was European
The comparison seemed to rule out an origin for the Minoans in North Africa: the ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis.
Locally sourced: The ancient Minoan DNA was most similar to populations from Europe. The population showed particular genetic affinities with Bronze Age populations from Sardinia and Iberia and Neolithic samples from Scandinavia and France. They also resembled modern Greek people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists.
The authors therefore conclude that the Minoan civilisation was a local development, originated by inhabitants who probably reached the island around 9,000 years ago, in Neolithic times."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17500 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
THE FRESCOES DO NOT LIE. Believe what you see, question what is written by history manipulators.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancien...
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http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancien...
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http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancien...
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Those aren't Minoans, you self hating idiot. And you Afroclowns DO lie, you have such self hate for your own Sub Saharan African roots that you run around trying to claim civilizations and people that were never black NOR Sub Saharan Africans. Go seek help for your self image and identity issues, trolling clown.

What doesn't like is DNA and DNA of Minoans show them to be Europeans and NOT related to you Sub Saharan types, asswipe.

"Sudies of the ancient Y-DNA from the earlier Neolithic cave burials of Cardium pottery culture men shows they were mainly haplogroup G2a. These 'Neolithic lineages' accounted for 22% of the total European Y chromosome gene pool, and were predominantly found in Southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southeastern Bulgaria, southeastern Iberia)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe ...

"Ancient Greek civilization was European
The comparison seemed to rule out an origin for the Minoans in North Africa: the ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis.
Locally sourced: The ancient Minoan DNA was most similar to populations from Europe. The population showed particular genetic affinities with Bronze Age populations from Sardinia and Iberia and Neolithic samples from Scandinavia and France. They also resembled modern Greek people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists.
The authors therefore conclude that the Minoan civilisation was a local development, originated by inhabitants who probably reached the island around 9,000 years ago, in Neolithic times."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17501 Sep 27, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Bump for the non-troll posters
In other words more trolling crap from the biggest troll around. Yeah tell us some more how even in ancient times pale skinned WHITE women were preferred by males over your black African women so we can laugh at your stupidity some more. LoL! What an idiot you are that you can't tell when depictions are sex based and not race based.

Oh and neither are you a Hebrew, you self hating reject.

Oh look the Nubians were depicting people with light skin their artwork...must mean Nubians were white. BWAHAHAHA!!

Nubian - "Anna, mother of the mother of God"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Nubian the story from Daniel 3
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Virgin and Child with saints and angels, and the Hand of God above, 6th century, Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#17503 Sep 27, 2013
" ........the concept ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ is absurd and misleading, if not a meaningless classificatory schema.

Its use defies the science of the fundamentals of geography but priorities hackneyed and stereotypical racist labeling. It is not obvious, on the face of it, which of the four possible meanings of the prefix ‘sub’ its users attach to the ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ labeling.

Is it ‘under’ the Sahara Desert or ‘part of’/‘partly’ the Sahara Desert? Or, presumably,‘partially’/‘nearly ’ the Sahara Desert or even the very unlikely (hopefully!) application of ‘in the style of, but inferior to’ the Sahara Desert, especially considering that there is an Arab people sandwiched between Morocco and Mauritania (northwest Africa) called Saharan? "

-Herbert Ekwe-Ekwe

Mr. Ekwe-Ekwe is African. Anybody who comes out against him for voicing his dis-pleasure with the term "sub-shara" is a racist POS.

http://www.google.com/url...

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KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#17504 Sep 28, 2013
Jeff said

Everyone knows when scientists say Sub Saharan African they mean black Africans. North Africans are not Sub Saharans, but nice try's idiot

Actually most of Europe, including Balkans regions like Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Serbia have less then 1% of any 'Sub Saharan African' haplogroup.

The E3b haplogroup subclade that is the third in Europe is the Eurasian EV13 marker, stupid. The majority of e1b1b in Europe is the Eurasian EV13 marker.

"Moors" did not hold a racial identity

KiloEcho replies

Repeating the same lies over and over again will not make the truth go away

Africa south of the Sahara is a geographic location not a racial type

North Africans are not African South of the Sahara because North Africa is above the Sahara geographically.

not because they have no genetic nor historical connections with Africans from Saharan nor sub-Saharn regions.

Indigenous North Africans carry the E3b haplogroup they inherited from their East Africans ancestors. East Africans are considered Black Africans.

The presence of the E haplogroup and ALL its subcaldes including the E3b, in Europe is considered African admixture.

THERE IS NOTHING EURASIAN ABOUT THE E HAPLOGROUP AND ITS SUBCLADES

North-East and Saharan Africans carriers of the E3b haplogroup migrated and settled in Europe and mixed with Eurasians. Their mixed descendants still carry the African signature genes.

DNA does not lie.

African admixture among Europeans has been proven by countless of DNA studies.

Europeans used the moor for Black Africans in countless of expressions and instances as well as for people with no connection with Islam or Northwestern Africa. Saint Maurice, Saint Benedictt the Moor.

Stop being in denial about the word moor and its racial connotation for dark or black skinned people in ancient and medieval Europe LONG BEFORE THE ADVENT OF ISLAM
Shaniqua

Cleveland, MS

#17505 Sep 28, 2013
Kenya Moor and David Moor are black, thank you

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