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#17008 Aug 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong and yes it is a joke. Santa Claus had nothing to do with any 'Moors', and that Dutch 'tradition' of "Black Pete" you are talking about only came to be around during the mid to late 1800s, there was no 'Black Pete' before that connected to any Santa Claus. And not the Dutch didn't know nor claimed any suppose ' true Moorish origins', they added a Santa's helper/servant "Black Pete" to go along with their racist beliefs of black people being subservient to white people. Some sources indicate that Zwarte Piet was originally such an enslaved devil, forced to assist his captor, but in the 19th century Netherlands the character emerged in the likeness of a "Black Pete", a servant of Santa Claus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet
ummmmmm are you quoting wikipedia again Jeffery the gaul?

Now you stating that the have extracted DNA from skeleton ash remains. Your joking right? you have to be joking.
Faruq

Middle River, MD

#17009 Aug 7, 2013
Moor were the aboriginals of Africa. Despite shade of color. While most of Europe were going through the dark ages, Spain and Portugal were being enlightened. The Moors ruled the waterways.America's first treaty was with Morocco. (Which said moors should not be enslaved) There is proof that Moors were here a long time before Columbus .His navigator was a Moor. I see a lot of racial post but it's simple, the Moors were people of color....they were not arab (middle eastern descent) although they were Muslim. The regional caliphs (rulers) were arabs,they were put in place to rule the land they colonized. All you all have to do is READ....to many history books that verify the were men of color. ...ask yourself this is every person of color dark.....that's the beauty of being a person of color is we have different hues... unlike others who only have one

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#17010 Aug 7, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG I used to joke in here that Afronazis would be claiming Santa Claus, and they actually did it! Unbelievable!
Next: Frosty the Snowman.
Sorry to break your little britinculi mind gaul. But moor does not mean islamic.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#17011 Aug 7, 2013
PHARAOHXI wrote:
<quoted text>
ummmmmm are you quoting wikipedia again Jeffery the gaul?
Now you stating that the have extracted DNA from skeleton ash remains. Your joking right? you have to be joking.
Where in my post did I say anything about extracted DNA from skeleton ash remains, "PHARAOHXI the Afrocentric? No where. Learn to comprehend what is being written.

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#17012 Aug 7, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
EXACTLY. See you have to watch "barros aka 'siju'" closely. He's a double-talking, manipulative SOB. He hates the trollslayer...cuz I see right thru his b.s.
You're full of crap, babble-boy.

You make outlandish statements based on your pathetic pop knowledge of anthropology, and you manage to always get it wrong!

You should shut up and listen to us educated folks explain things to you.

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#17013 Aug 7, 2013
PHARAOHXI wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to break your little britinculi mind gaul. But moor does not mean islamic.
Don't smartass me, you dried turd.

Moor means “Western”. It originally did not mean Muslim or black.

It came to mean Western Muslims in Medieval times, while the eastern Muslims were called Saracens.

Most Moors in Iberia were non-black Berbers from Morocco and Algeria.

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Since: Nov 11

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#17014 Aug 7, 2013
Faruq wrote:
Moor were the aboriginals of Africa. Despite shade of color. While most of Europe were going through the dark ages, Spain and Portugal were being enlightened. The Moors ruled the waterways.America's first treaty was with Morocco.(Which said moors should not be enslaved) There is proof that Moors were here a long time before Columbus .His navigator was a Moor. I see a lot of racial post but it's simple, the Moors were people of color....they were not arab (middle eastern descent) although they were Muslim. The regional caliphs (rulers) were arabs,they were put in place to rule the land they colonized. All you all have to do is READ....to many history books that verify the were men of color....ask yourself this is every person of color dark.....that's the beauty of being a person of color is we have different hues... unlike others who only have one
Wrong.

Most of Europe was not in a “Dark Age”. When the Romans left Britain, a Celtic golden age occurred. The Ostrogothic kingdom in northern Italy was anything but “dark”.

The Moors controlled the Western Mediterranean, and their blocking of sea trade between W Europe and Constantinople prolonged the “Dark Ages” for centuries. The Moors were more the cause of the darkness than its cure.

The Moors were Berbers, mostly. Not Arab or black Africans. Berbers. The people everyone ignores, as if they don't exist. But they still do exist, in the Maghreb, and they are desiring their freedom from Arab culture and religious imperialism.

“People of color” is a meaningless phrase, you racist turd. Others have only one hue? LOL... you moron, white come in many shades.

You're a racist idiot. Speak racism in my presence, boy, and you'll wish you'd kept silent.
pn1cladelover

Bristol, UK

#17015 Aug 7, 2013
SOUTHERN EUROPEANS MORE AFRICAN THEN FIRST THOUGHT

http://news.yahoo.com/southern-europeans-more...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17016 Aug 7, 2013
pn1cladelover wrote:
SOUTHERN EUROPEANS MORE AFRICAN THEN FIRST THOUGHT
http://news.yahoo.com/southern-europeans-more...
You do realize you just posted a study that state Italians have as little to no African admixture as all other Europeans, right? Let me break it down for you:

A) That news article is misleading and written by a "journalist" who has not read the actual study and who obviously is geographically challenged and can't find Italy on a map. I mean, when has Italy all of the sudden become SOUTHWESTERN Europe? Has there been a huge climatic event where the earth shifted landscapes that we haven't hear about? Maybe the 'journalist' should take a course in geography before she starts to tackle the highly complex subject of human genetics.

B) Here is what the actual scientists state about their findings. Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante is one of the scientists who lead the study, his comments that South Central European regions like Italy and Southeast European countries like Greece had little to no North African admixture is clear as can be:

"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow,----> BUT THERE WAS LITTLE <--- in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante

C) That study talks about gene flow from North Africa into Iberia, not Sub Saharan Africans since it distinguishes the difference between North Africans and Sub Saharan Africans as its Abstract states below:

Abstract
Using SNP data from 2,099 individuals in 43 populations, we show that estimates of recent shared ancestry between Europe and Africa are substantially increased when gene flow from North Africans, rather than Sub-Saharan Africans, is considered. The gradient of North African ancestry accounts for previous observations of low levels of sharing with Sub-Saharan Africa and is independent of recent gene flow from the Near East.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/30/...
pn1cladelover

Bristol, UK

#17017 Aug 7, 2013
JEFF said

"such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African"

which is the point of the thread about most of the moors in spain being black

thanks

lololololo
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17018 Aug 7, 2013
pn1cladelover wrote:
JEFF said
"such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African"
which is the point of the thread about most of the moors in spain being black
thanks
lololololo
Ehm, no, again you are wrong. Did you read what the study states that the African admixture in Spain and Portugal is of NORTH AFRICAN and NOT Sub Saharan admixture? In other words the scientists are distinguishes the difference between North Africans and Sub Saharan Africans as its Abstract states below:

Abstract
Using SNP data from 2,099 individuals in 43 populations, we show that estimates of recent shared ancestry between Europe and Africa are substantially increased when gene flow from North Africans,---> RATHER THAN SUB SAHARAN AFRICANS <---, is considered. The gradient of North African ancestry accounts for previous observations of low levels of sharing with Sub-Saharan Africa and is independent of recent gene flow from the Near East.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/30/...

Any suppose 'Sub Saharan' admixture was indirectly introduced via North Africans. In other words you just posted a study that not only states Italy has little to no African admixture but most of the moors in Spain were not black but North Africans. lol
pn1cladelover

Bristol, UK

#17019 Aug 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Ehm, no, again you are wrong. Did you read what the study states that the African admixture in Spain and Portugal is of NORTH AFRICAN and NOT Sub Saharan admixture? In other words the scientists are distinguishes the difference between North Africans and Sub Saharan Africans as its Abstract states below:
Abstract
Using SNP data from 2,099 individuals in 43 populations, we show that estimates of recent shared ancestry between Europe and Africa are substantially increased when gene flow from North Africans,---> RATHER THAN SUB SAHARAN AFRICANS <---, is considered. The gradient of North African ancestry accounts for previous observations of low levels of sharing with Sub-Saharan Africa and is independent of recent gene flow from the Near East.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/30/...
Any suppose 'Sub Saharan' admixture was indirectly introduced via North Africans. In other words you just posted a study that not only states Italy has little to no African admixture but most of the moors in Spain were not black but North Africans. lol
what is north African dna

thanks
KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#17020 Aug 8, 2013
Jeff said

Did you read what the study states that the African admixture in Spain and Portugal is of NORTH AFRICAN and NOT Sub Saharan admixture?

In other words you just posted a study that not only states Italy has little to no African admixture but most of the moors in Spain were not black but North Africans.

KiloEcho replies

You don't give up, do you?

Africa south of the Sahara is a geographic region and not an indicator of race.

How many times do we have to tell you that North Africa is not devoid of indigenous Black Africans (Black Egyptians, Black Berbers, Nubians, Black Libyans etc.) who live, MAINLY in rural areas, southern regions or in cities' poorest neighborhoods?

Libya is at least 30% Black. In Egypt, there are indigenous Black Africans who live in the South who are predominantly Nubians. There are millions of Egyptians who are ethnically Nubians not Arabs. There are still North Africans.

Soudan is part of North Africa. Take a hard look at Soudanese, they are culturally Arabs but predominantly phenotypically Black Africans. That is why, Arabs called them Sudani aka Black people.

Dark brown North Africa became lighter and lighter over time due White settlements (Spaniards, Romans), White invasions (Vandals, Greeks), White slavery (Mameluks, Janissaries, Barbary slaves and Saqaliba) and not the other way around. Arabs and Turks settled IN MASSE when they conquered North Africa.

YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BRAINWASHED BRAINWASHED

When you are brainwashed, you have no sense of reality.

The vast majority of North Africans, like all Mediterraneans, look like light skinned mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons and quitrons AND FOR A VERY GOOD REASON THEY HAVE DARK BROWN SKINNED ANCESTORS THEY HATE TO ACKNOWLEDGE PUBLICLY.

Here are some pictures of dark brown skinned indigenous Southern Europeans: Estruscans and Minoans.

Minoans

http://www.geraldbrimacombe.com/France/Greece...

http://www.greeceathensaegeaninfo.com/a-greec...

Etruscans

http://www.maravot.com/Etruscan_mural_francoi...

"White" Mediterraneans are a rarity. Nordicists call Mediterraneans, Wogs and even Italians guineas because of their known or visible Black African ancestry.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#17021 Aug 8, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
You don't give up, do you?
Oh look,'motts' is back posting as "KiloEcho" even though you never left but continue to post under your various other fake usernames.
KiloEcho wrote:
Africa south of the Sahara is a geographic region and not an indicator of race.
Don't play stupid....on second thought, scratch that, you are stupid. You know very well that scientists mean black African when they say "Sub Saharan African".
KiloEcho wrote:
How many times do we have to tell you that North Africa is not devoid of indigenous Black Africans (Black Egyptians, Black Berbers, Nubians, Black Libyans etc.) who live, MAINLY in rural areas, southern regions or in cities' poorest neighborhoods?
Libya is at least 30% Black. In Egypt, there are indigenous Black Africans who live in the South who are predominantly Nubians. There are millions of Egyptians who are ethnically Nubians not Arabs. There are still North Africans.
Soudan is part of North Africa. Take a hard look at Soudanese, they are culturally Arabs but predominantly phenotypically Black Africans. That is why, Arabs called them Sudani aka Black people.
Dark brown North Africa became lighter and lighter over time due White settlements (Spaniards, Romans), White invasions (Vandals, Greeks), White slavery (Mameluks, Janissaries, Barbary slaves and Saqaliba) and not the other way around. Arabs and Turks settled IN MASSE when they conquered North Africa.
That study "your friend" posted talks about gene flow from North Africa into Iberia, not Sub Saharan Africans since it distinguishes the difference between North Africans and Sub Saharan Africans as its Abstract states below:

Abstract
Using SNP data from 2,099 individuals in 43 populations, we show that estimates of recent shared ancestry between Europe and Africa are substantially increased when gene flow from North Africans,---> RATHER THAN SUB SAHARAN AFRICANS <-----, is considered. The gradient of North African ancestry accounts for previous observations of low levels of sharing with Sub-Saharan Africa and is independent of recent gene flow from the Near East.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/30/...
KiloEcho wrote:
YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BRAINWASHED BRAINWASHED
When you are brainwashed, you have no sense of reality.
The vast majority of North Africans, like all Mediterraneans, look like light skinned mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons and quitrons AND FOR A VERY GOOD REASON THEY HAVE DARK BROWN SKINNED ANCESTORS THEY


There are vast majority of Mediterraneans who are white, not "mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons and quitron", moron, cause a vast majority of Mediterraneans do not have black African admixture, especially those European Mediterraneans, dingleberry.

"In the PCA plot of the old world dataset (Mediterranean countries and Ivory Coast), the 13 populations from around the Mediterranean are clustered together while the Ivory Coast is positioned further away (Figure 3b). This plot revealed a clear separation between the North Africans and South Europeans along both PC1 and PC2. The North African samples are slightly closer to the sub-Saharan sample than are the European samples in PC1. This may reflect a higher genetic affinity of sub-Saharan Africa with North Africa than with South Europe, due to a potentially higher gene flow from the south of the Sahara towards North Africa" ~ The Mediterranean Sea as a barrier to gene flow
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17022 Aug 8, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
HATE TO ACKNOWLEDGE PUBLICLY.
Here are some pictures of dark brown skinned indigenous Southern Europeans: Estruscans and Minoans.
Minoans
http://www.geraldbrimacombe.com/France/Greece...
http://www.greeceathensaegeaninfo.com/a-greec...
Etruscans
http://www.maravot.com/Etruscan_mural_francoi...
Moron, those pictures are not race base but sex based where males were typically depicted darker to distinguish them from the females who were typically depicting as pale skinned.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Southern Europeans like Estruscans and Minoans were light skinned Europeans similar genetically and phenotypically to modern Europeans today.

"Ancient Greek civilization was European
The comparison seemed to rule out an origin for the Minoans in North Africa: the ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis.
Locally sourced: The ancient Minoan DNA was most similar to populations from Europe. The population showed particular genetic affinities with Bronze Age populations from Sardinia and Iberia and Neolithic samples from Scandinavia and France. They also resembled modern Greek people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists.
The authors therefore conclude that the Minoan civilisation was a local development, originated by inhabitants who probably reached the island around 9,000 years ago, in Neolithic times."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...
KiloEcho wrote:
"White" Mediterraneans are a rarity. Nordicists call Mediterraneans, Wogs and even Italians guineas because of their known or visible Black African ancestry.
Actually Nordics accepted Mediterraneans as white, but if you are talking a racist KKK types, those are few and far in between and those types also claim black people to be sub humans...do you believe and give credence to their claims that you blacks are sub human too, you lying propagandistic one sided hypocrite?

"White" Mediterraneans were and still are very common, in fact ancient Greeks and Romans division of 'racial' humanity were into 3 categories: leukoi, xanthoi and Aithiopes (Lucian Herm. 31), a categorization of Southern Europeans & Near Eastern people (Mediterraneans) was leukoi=Greek work for white, Central-Northern Europeans was xanthoi= Greek word for yellow-haired palefaces, and blacks was Aithiopes.(Lucian Herm. 31). Italians do not have any 'known or visible Black African ancestry' since they have as little to no black African admixture as all other Europeans, even the study your alter ego posted stated as much, idiot.

"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow,----> BUT THERE WAS LITTLE <--- in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante

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#17023 Aug 8, 2013
LOL... this gets chased around from every angle, and always ends up the same... with Eurasian-type Berbers in the Maghreb for a LONG time...

N Afr DNA in Spain!!! Afronazis immediately claim, it's black because Africa is all-black all-the-time, by doctrine.

But we're talking about Mediterranean Berber DNA. There's Iberian DNA in N Africa also, and very old.

I once lived in Spain. It is curious that I never saw anyone there who looked like they were part African. And that includes the "moros"---Moroccan immigrants, Moors. The only Africans I ever encountered were from Equatorial Guinea.

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Kinshasa, Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#17024 Aug 8, 2013
Jeff said

Moron, those pictures are not race base but sex based where males were typically depicted darker to distinguish them from the females who were typically depicting as pale skinned.

Southern Europeans like Estruscans and Minoans were light skinned Europeans similar genetically and phenotypically to modern Europeans

Actually Nordics accepted Mediterraneans as white, but if you are talking a racist KKK types,

those are few and far in between and those types also claim black people to be sub humans...do you believe and give credence to their claims that you blacks are sub human too,

"White" Mediterraneans were and still are very common,

Italians do not have any 'known or visible Black African ancestry' since they have as little to no black African admixture as all other Europeans

KiloEcho replies

You should stop believing in the pack of lies White his-torians taught you because they are part and parcel of the White supremacy machine.

The sex based convention of White Minoan women and Black Minoan men is one of those many lies.

Here is the truth, the Mediterraneans are the descendants of aboriginal dark brown skinned people and migrating white skinned people who intermixed and intermarried over a long period of time when there was no color prejudice.

Here is a site on minoan frescoes where you can see both White and Black people presented as Minoans. There are Black minoan woman along White minoans men.

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/MinoanFres...

There are tons of works of art in Greek museums depicting dark brown skinned minoans women.

You are lying about Nordics and their perceptions of Mediterraneans.

The KKK types are saying loudly and publicly what the others say privately or in a hush voice.

Africa begins in Rome, Africa starts at Calais, Africa starts at the Pyrennees are old expressions long before the KKK was even founded.

There were even LAWS LAWS LAWS LAWS banning Southern Europeans, Italians and Portuguese in particular, to immigrate to both Canada and the USA.

Colonial rethoric and negrophobic propaganda were used to justify the enslavement, the forced Christianization, and colonization of Africans and the theft of African lands.

Italians and Portuguese have as much African blood as any other Europeans ???!!!

Why are Italians called the Guineas of Europe then?

Why Portuguese are regarded as Europeans with the highest Black African ancestry?

Concerning the Moors, tell us why Black Africans with no links whatsoever with Islam or Northwestern Africa were called Moors, like Saint Maurice of Egypt, Saint Benedict the Moor or Johannes Maurus.


Jeff

Natick, MA

#17025 Aug 8, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
You should stop believing in the pack of lies White his-torians taught you because they are part and parcel of the White supremacy machine.
The sex based convention of White Minoan women and Black Minoan men is one of those many lies.
Here is the truth, the Mediterraneans are the descendants of aboriginal dark brown skinned people and migrating white skinned people who intermixed and intermarried over a long period of time when there was no color prejudice.
Here is a site on minoan frescoes where you can see both White and Black people presented as Minoans. There are Black minoan woman along White minoans men.
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/MinoanFres...
There are tons of works of art in Greek museums depicting dark brown skinned minoans women.
Oh look "motts" posting as idiot "KiloEcho" is black. So according to your dumbass suppose 'black' men were dissing black women and favoring pale skinned white women even in ancient times? lol! Why don't you go tell your fellow black women that your black men didn't want them in ancient times either so I can laugh some more at how stupid you are, "KiloEcho' or whatever other fake name you post under next. lol!

What a delusional jackass you are. Stop lying there aren't "tones" of dark brown skinned minoans women, dumbass. There are TONES of pale skinned minoans women because those pictures are not race base but sex based where males were typically depicted darker to distinguish them from the females who were typically depicting as pale skinned.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Mediterraneans are the descendants of aboriginal light skinned Eurasian types as genetically and phenotypically they show to be similar to modern Europeans and Near Eastern people, not Sub Saharan Africans, "KiloEcho" the delusional self hating trolling Afroclown.

"Ancient Greek civilization was European
The comparison seemed to rule out an origin for the Minoans in North Africa: the ancient Cretans showed little genetic similarity to Libyans, Egyptians or the Sudanese. They were also genetically distant from populations in the Arabian Peninsula, including Saudis, and Yemenis.
Locally sourced: The ancient Minoan DNA was most similar to populations from Europe. The population showed particular genetic affinities with Bronze Age populations from Sardinia and Iberia and Neolithic samples from Scandinavia and France. They also resembled modern Greek people who live on the Lassithi Plateau today, a population that has previously attracted attention from geneticists.
The authors therefore conclude that the Minoan civilisation was a local development, originated by inhabitants who probably reached the island around 9,000 years ago, in Neolithic times."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...
Jeff

Natick, MA

#17026 Aug 8, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
You are lying about Nordics and their perceptions of Mediterraneans.
The KKK types are saying loudly and publicly what the others say privately or in a hush voice.
Africa begins in Rome, Africa starts at Calais, Africa starts at the Pyrennees are old expressions long before the KKK was even founded.
There were even LAWS LAWS LAWS LAWS banning Southern Europeans, Italians and Portuguese in particular, to immigrate to both Canada and the USA.
Actually Nordics DID accepted Mediterraneans as white, many of them even claiming ancestry from Mediterraneans, stupid.

"The first Physical and Social description of the Mediterranean race (then termed "Celtic race") was given by the Scottish scientist William Rhind in 1851. In -Section XV – The Caucasian race and its sub-races- Rhind gave the following description:

"On the south and west this type comes into contact and mixes with the dark whites .... The Celtic Race (anc. Galatae, Pyreni), are characterised by a well-formed head, elongated from front to back, and moderate in breadth; face oval; features well defined and elegantly formed; complexion dark; dark brown or black eyes; black hair turning early gray; form middle size, handsome; feet and hands small. Mental powers quick, active, and energetic, rather than profound. Passions and affections strong. Fond of society, but not forgetful of injuries. Monarchial in their governments. They occupy the southern and insular parts of Europe."

Stop lying, reject, there were never any laws that banned Southern Europeans from migranting to the USA or Canada. Now you did not answer my question, dumbass:KKK types groups also claimed black people to be sub humans...do you believe and give credence to their claims that you blacks are sub human too, you lying propagandistic one sided hypocrite?
KiloEcho wrote:
Italians and Portuguese have as much African blood as any other Europeans ???!!!
Why are Italians called the Guineas of Europe then?
Why Portuguese are regarded as Europeans with the highest Black African ancestry?
Concerning the Moors, tell us why Black Africans with no links whatsoever with Islam or Northwestern Africa were called Moors, like Saint Maurice of Egypt, Saint Benedict the Moor or Johannes Maurus.
Italians and Portuguese have as little to no Sub Saharan African admixture as most all other Europeans. According to that study your alter ego posted Portuguese have some North African, not Sub Saharan, admixture, and Italians show to have little to NO African admixture, "KiloEcho" the idiot.

"To me, the differences among Southern European populations were really interesting. Populations in southwestern Europe, such as Spain and Portugal, showed clear evidence of North African gene flow,----> BUT THERE WAS LITTLE <--- in south-central regions such as Italy, or in the southeastern populations of Greece or Turkey. We attribute this to relatively recent gene flow in historical times (most likely during the period of Moorish inhabitation in Iberia) that differentially impacted European regions." ~ Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante

Level 3

Since: Oct 12

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#17027 Aug 8, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong and yes it is a joke. Santa Claus had nothing to do with any 'Moors', and that Dutch 'tradition' of "Black Pete" you are talking about only came to be around during the mid to late 1800s, there was no 'Black Pete' before that connected to any Santa Claus. And not the Dutch didn't know nor claimed any suppose ' true Moorish origins', they added a Santa's helper/servant "Black Pete" to go along with their racist beliefs of black people being subservient to white people. Some sources indicate that Zwarte Piet was originally such an enslaved devil, forced to assist his captor, but in the 19th century Netherlands the character emerged in the likeness of a "Black Pete", a servant of Santa Claus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet
Whatever. What this shows is that the Dutch knew that the Moors in Spain were Black. And they should. Part of the Holland controlled by Spain (1556–1714) and many Moors and Jews settled there. Lol!
Better get your blood pressure medication crakkka!

"In Spain, a royal edict is issued by the nation's Catholic rulers declaring that all Moriscos and Jews who refuse to convert to Christianity will be expelled from the country. Most Spanish Jews chose exile rather than the renunciation of their religion and culture, and the Spanish economy suffered with the loss of an important portion of its workforce. Many Spanish Moriscos and Jews went to North Africa, the Netherlands, and the Americas, where their skills, capital, and commercial connections were put to good use. Among those who chose conversion, some risked their lives by secretly practicing Judaism, while many sincere converts were nonetheless persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition."

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