the moors were black africans not ara...
Ilmu Batin

Paris, France

#15023 Apr 10, 2013
Bernard Lewis in " Race and Slavery in the Middle East" documented the presence of white slaves in North Africa, some came from the European slave trade with muslims ( Gold and other for slaves), including Byzance ( see Youval Rotman).

- Some were kidnapped by the North Africans Pirates ( Davis), in Spain, south of France, Italy, England etc
- Charles Sumner revealed that until the 19th century there was white European slaves in North Africa

others European who went to North Africa :

- Renegades ( see Jacques Cheers)
- white European Spanish ( see Dozy) who took islam and took refuge in North Africa after the reconquista...

so millions of Europeans passed to north Africa, and have change the composition, like the African slaves changed the composition of North, Central and South America and the WI.

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15024 Apr 10, 2013
Ilmu Batin wrote:
He is a clown in denial , Slavs and others ( Finns, Flemish, Irish etc) were sold to Muslim Spain, Egypt, Turkey, and all down the Muslim kingdoms in Asia.
Plus many of these white European slaves were hunted down by the Viking slave drivers, some finished as slaves in the North African slave markets.
In West Africa it is documented that Ghana ( Soninkés empire not the Ashantis) had few white slaves and Mansa Musa had few white slaves (see Joseph Kim Zerbo and William D Phillips)
Nonetheless, it is well proven that the Maghreb was inhabited by Eurasian types for 30,000 years.

Your tirade about slaves is part of the attempt to make an originally black Maghreb turn “white”, but since the Maghreb was Eurasian in the first place, your efforts amount only to a weak squeaky fart.

The MOORS who conquered part of Iberia were not black, fool. So much evidence confirms this that only a racist Afronazi cultist such as your pathetic ass would attempt to maintain otherwise.

Get a real education.
Ilmu Batin

Paris, France

#15025 Apr 10, 2013
BS most of the slaves in Muslim countries were white folks....Bernard Lewis, Charles Verlinden, Evariste Levi Provençal, William D Phillips, Jack D Forbes etc,etc

all these scholars me be Afronazis ....

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15026 Apr 10, 2013
Ilmu Batin wrote:
BS most of the slaves in Muslim countries were white folks....Bernard Lewis, Charles Verlinden, Evariste Levi Provençal, William D Phillips, Jack D Forbes etc,etc
all these scholars me be Afronazis ....
The most number of slaves ever taken were black Africans by Muslims, fool.

How absurd and offensive that you would gloss over that slave trade, which killed far more Africans than the Euro trade did, in order to sustain your idiotic racist proposition that the Berbers were black!

This constitutes several crimes: whitewashing a grave atrocity against Africa created by the Arabs; as well as denying the Berbers their true history and identity.

You are indeed a vile individual, and a racist, therefore subhuman.
Ilmu Batin

Paris, France

#15027 Apr 10, 2013
William D Phillips JR in " Slavery from Roman Times to the Early Transatlantic Trade" p 69 says:

"...During the late middle ages until the fall of Granada in the late fifteenth century, most slaves...of the Muslims were Christians from the Northern Kingdoms..."

about Sclavus p 57

"... Around the early twelfth century...To describe the true slaves a new word was coined, derived, from the most numerous ethnic group in the medieval slave trade, the Slavs...The word has cognates in all western languages: slave in English, esclave in French, esclavo in Spanish, escravo in Portuguese, Schiavo in Italian and Sklave in German..."
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#15028 Apr 10, 2013
Ilmu Batin wrote:
BS most of the slaves in Muslim countries were white folks....Bernard Lewis, Charles Verlinden, Evariste Levi Provençal, William D Phillips, Jack D Forbes etc,etc
all these scholars me be Afronazis ....
Liar. A lot of the slaves in Muslim countries were also black too. Black people were enslaved just as much as white, Asians, Middle Eastern and all other people were. The Moorish rulers had this tradition of emasculating black male slaves that they used as guards for their harems that lasted well into the modern era. For the record while slavery has been outlawed in all Developed Nations today it is still a common practice in Africa.

"The continent of Africa is one of the most problematic regions in terms of contemporary slavery. Slavery in Africa has a long history, within Africa since before historical records, but intensifying with the medieval Arab slave trade and again with the early modern trans-Atlantic slave trade; the demand for slaves created an entire series of kingdoms (such as the Ashanti Empire) which existed in a state of perpetual warfare in order to generate the prisoners of war necessary for the lucrative export of slaves. These patterns have persisted into the colonial period during the late 19th and early 20th century. Although the colonial authorities attempted to suppress slavery from about 1900, this had very limited success, and after decolonization, slavery continues in many parts of Africa even though being technically illegal.

The problem is most severe in the Sahel region (and to a lesser extent the Horn of Africa), along the racial boundary of Arabized Berbers in the north and blacks in the south. This concerns the Sahel states of Mauritania, Mali, N ! g er, Chad and Sudan in particular, continuing a centuries-old pattern of hereditary servitude going back to the Muslim conquests."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_moder...
Ilmu Batin

Paris, France

#15029 Apr 10, 2013
Lying snake, googling scholar, you need to read books man ...Wikipedia ???? LOLLLLLLLL
Ilmu Batin

Paris, France

#15030 Apr 10, 2013
Charles Verlinden in " The Beginnings of Modern Colonization" chap 1 " The Transfer of Colonial Techniques from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic ", exposes the different slave trades in Europe:

Romans ( Jules Caesar took 1 million white slaves in Gaul)
Genoan
Venitians
Black sea ( tana and caffa)
The Slavs ( German king Henry the fowler)
The Muslims who bought slaves from the Christians

And p 32-33 he acknowledges that black or Africans just came to replace the whites in the slavery status ( whites have been slaves from antiquity to the 19th century, like those of Russia, and verlinden gives example of slaves in Spain in the 19th century...):

"...the only important change was that the white victims of slavery were replaced by a much greater number of African Negroes..."
Amelia DANCEHALL XStasy

Castle Rock, CO

#15031 Apr 10, 2013
I just want to get straight to the point. Yes, the moors ARE indeed black, not white. Berbers are more white. Ever met an actual moorish person? Not white.
Ilmu Batin

Paris, France

#15032 Apr 10, 2013
Whites have been the benchmark for slaves from Roman times to the Atlantic slave trade...Even when African were sold as slaves in the new world, there are many evidences of asientos for white female slaves called esclavas blanc as ( see George Scelle vol 1), some Greek slaves were sold to Cuba, and Mexico (Aguirre Beltran).

In the first documents of Santo Domingo related to the slave rebellion of 1522, the cedula speaks about three type of slaves : NEGROS (blacks), blancos ( whites) and , canarios ( Guanches).

George Scelle shows that white slaves have been sold from the 16th to the 17th century in the new world...

Most of the slaves in Muslim countries were circassians, Greeks, Slavs, Caucasians ( from Russia), turks etc see Bernard Lewis book...

Euro nuts will never accept that even in ancient Phenicia , Egypt or Sumer most of the slaves were white folks....It would destroy their superiority BS...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#15033 Apr 10, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
The most number of slaves ever taken were black Africans by Muslims, fool.
How absurd and offensive that you would gloss over that slave trade, which killed far more Africans than the Euro trade did, in order to sustain your idiotic racist proposition that the Berbers were black!
This constitutes several crimes: whitewashing a grave atrocity against Africa created by the Arabs; as well as denying the Berbers their true history and identity.
You are indeed a vile individual, and a racist, therefore subhuman.
His an idiot. The number of enslaved Europeans by Muslims is placed at around 2 million, compared that to nearly 18 million black African slaves enslaved by Muslims and another 15 million enslaved during the Trans Atlantic Slave trade by Europeans. Lets see 2 million Euros vs. nearly 33 million black Africans....hmmmm guess he isn't that good at math too.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#15034 Apr 10, 2013
Ilmu Batin wrote:
Charles Verlinden in " The Beginnings of Modern Colonization" chap 1 " The Transfer of Colonial Techniques from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic ", exposes the different slave trades in Europe:
Romans ( Jules Caesar took 1 million white slaves in Gaul)
Genoan
Venitians
Black sea ( tana and caffa)
The Slavs ( German king Henry the fowler)
The Muslims who bought slaves from the Christians
And p 32-33 he acknowledges that black or Africans just came to replace the whites in the slavery status ( whites have been slaves from antiquity to the 19th century, like those of Russia, and verlinden gives example of slaves in Spain in the 19th century...):
"...the only important change was that the white victims of slavery were replaced by a much greater number of African Negroes..."
Lying mythically challenged dumbass. The number of enslaved Europeans is placed at around 2 million, compared that to nearly 18 million black African slaves enslaved by Muslims and another 15 million enslaved during the Trans Atlantic Slave trade by Europeans. Lets see 2 million Euros vs. nearly 33 million black Africans....hmmmm guess you aren't that good at math either, Identity Confused Jackass who is now trying to deny that black Africans were more enslaved then Euros or that slavery is still a common practice in Africa today with most of those enslaved being black African.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_ou...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6938032.stm

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Kinshasa, Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#15035 Apr 10, 2013
Jeff said

Liar. A lot of the slaves in Muslim countries were also black too.

Black people were enslaved just as much as white, Asians, Middle Eastern and all other people were.

The Moorish rulers had this tradition of emasculating black male slaves that they used as guards for their harems that lasted well into the modern era.

For the record while slavery has been outlawed in all Developed Nations today it is still a common practice in Africa

"The continent of Africa is one of the most problematic regions in terms of contemporary slavery.

Slavery in Africa has a long history, within Africa since before historical records, but intensifying with the medieval Arab slave trade and again with the early modern trans-Atlantic slave trade; the demand for slaves created an entire series of kingdoms (such as the Ashanti Empire) which existed in a state of perpetual warfare in order to generate the prisoners of war necessary for the lucrative export of slaves.

These patterns have persisted into the colonial period during the late 19th and early 20th century. Although the colonial authorities attempted to suppress slavery from about 1900, this had very limited success, and after decolonization, slavery continues in many parts of Africa even though being technically illegal.

The problem is most severe in the Sahel region (and to a lesser extent the Horn of Africa), along the racial boundary of Arabized Berbers in the north and blacks in the south. This concerns the Sahel states of Mauritania, Mali, N ! g er, Chad and Sudan in particular, continuing a centuries-old pattern of hereditary servitude going back to the Muslim conquests."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_moder...

KiloEcho replies

Instead of calling him a liar, you should adress your concerns to the authors who wrote the passages about White slavery.

You seem blind to modern day slavery in Europe (sex rafficking, human trafficking, economic exploitation etc.) in Europe or the extent of White slavery at the hands of the Moors, Arabs and Turks that lasted centuries if not a thousand years.

Millions of White looking Arabs, Turks and Berbers are the descendants of European slaves.

Unmixed Arabs, Turks and Berbers have facial features and skin color very very different from Europeans.

How can you explain that?

Millions of Arabs, Berbers and Turks paleface with blond hair or light hair?

White slavery (or slavery) is outlawed and yet it is still practiced in Europe but it recieve very little media coverage compared to slavery in Africa or in Asia

Modern day slavery in the United Kingdom

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/modern-sla...

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15036 Apr 10, 2013
Amelia DANCEHALL XStasy wrote:
I just want to get straight to the point. Yes, the moors ARE indeed black, not white. Berbers are more white. Ever met an actual moorish person? Not white.
Most Moors were Berbers! Really, you freaks should learn history before you attempt to discuss this stuff.

You actually believe there was some ethnic group, a civilization even, called "The Moors", LOL!!!

Really, get an education.

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15037 Apr 10, 2013
Ilmu Batin wrote:
Whites have been the benchmark for slaves from Roman times to the Atlantic slave trade...Even when African were sold as slaves in the new world, there are many evidences of asientos for white female slaves called esclavas blanc as ( see George Scelle vol 1), some Greek slaves were sold to Cuba, and Mexico (Aguirre Beltran).
In the first documents of Santo Domingo related to the slave rebellion of 1522, the cedula speaks about three type of slaves : NEGROS (blacks), blancos ( whites) and , canarios ( Guanches).
George Scelle shows that white slaves have been sold from the 16th to the 17th century in the new world...
Most of the slaves in Muslim countries were circassians, Greeks, Slavs, Caucasians ( from Russia), turks etc see Bernard Lewis book...
Euro nuts will never accept that even in ancient Phenicia , Egypt or Sumer most of the slaves were white folks....It would destroy their superiority BS...
Nice distraction, talking about ancient peoples, but the argument occurring, and which you've already lost (join the ranks of your vanquished Afronazi cohorts here), was regarding the nature of the MOORS who occupied and parasitized parts of Iberia for 7 centuries.

And they were mostly Berbers, mostly of Eurasian type, as are the Berbers generally, and have been for 30,000 years.

Get a real education.
Amelia DANCEHALL XStasy

Castle Rock, CO

#15038 Apr 10, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Most Moors were Berbers! Really, you freaks should learn history before you attempt to discuss this stuff.
You actually believe there was some ethnic group, a civilization even, called "The Moors", LOL!!!
Really, get an education.
Moorish people were black, sorry Sinajuavi. Learn your history.

Level 5

Since: Sep 12

Kinshasa, Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#15039 Apr 10, 2013
Jeff said

Lying mythically challenged dumbass. The number of enslaved Europeans is placed at around 2 million, compared that to nearly 18 million black African slaves enslaved by Muslims and another 15 million enslaved during the Trans Atlantic Slave trade by Europeans. Lets see 2 million Euros vs. nearly 33 million black Africans....hmmmm guess you aren't that good at math either, Identity Confused Jackass who is now trying to deny that black Africans were more enslaved then Euros or that slavery is still a common practice in Africa today with most of those enslaved being black African.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_ou...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6938032.stm

KiloEcho replies

The number of enslaved Europeans is put at 2 millions for a very short period of time in world history (less than 300 years)

The so called Whites are the first slaves in world history.

Whites were enslaved for a LONG LONG LONG period of time in Africa, in ancient Europe and in Asia by non Whites.

This is untold history as part of the White Master Race
propaganda.

I am saying this because all the descriptions and representations of Black Africans on very ancient coins across Europe,(Greece and Etruria, in particular) and heraldic symbols provide hints that a long long long time ago, there were powerful Blacks who held Whites in bondage.

The official explanation is prowess during the Crusades or simply unexplained mysteries

but these are all lies and cover-ups of the past slave status of the Whites at the hands of powerful Black people who ruled and controlled North Africa, Ancient Europe and Western Asia.

The Whites managed to free themselves slowly but surely after using tactics like the white female scheme, feigned obedience, intermixing and intermarrying with those blacks for profit, survival or just plain greed.

You know perfectly well that the number of African slaves brought to the America is overrated because there were already several groups of Native Americans who looked exactly like Africans, particularly in tropical and equatorial regions of the Americas.

The Euro-slavers used expressions like negroes of terra vs negroes of Guinea to distinguish Black Native Americans vs Black Africans.

In addition, countless of African influenced place names in Latin America are hard to explain away by slavery.

Slaves are not honored or remembered in countless of place names or geographic locations.

African names like Mandingo, Mandinga, Congo, Guinea, Guineo, Kongo, Congo, Lovango, Mondongo can be found for places or geographic locations (volcanoes, bays, kays, points, islands, rock, canyons, valleys, forests etc).

Only people in power or of high status are in position can name places or geographic locations.

Sinajuavi
Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15040 Apr 10, 2013
Amelia DANCEHALL XStasy wrote:
<quoted text>
Moorish people were black, sorry Sinajuavi. Learn your history.
I know history, better than you, obviously.“Moors” referred in Medieval times to the Muslims in the West. Those who invaded Iberia were from Algeria and Morocco. They were Berbers, from areas known to be populated by Eurasian-type Berbers. Iberian depictions show them as Eurasians.

And there is plenty of proof that the Maghreb was populated by Eurasian peoples for 30,000 years.

Islam spread also to W Africa, and the black Muslims then appearing in the Maghreb and in Iberia were also termed “Moors” by the Europeans. Their ethnicity, in fact, included such groups as Fulani, Soninke, Mande, etc.

Most of the Moors in Iberia were Berbers, not black Africans or nor Arabs.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#15041 Apr 10, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
Jeff said
Instead of calling him a liar, you should adress your concerns to the authors who wrote the passages about White slavery.
You seem blind to modern day slavery in Europe (sex rafficking, human trafficking, economic exploitation etc.) in Europe or the extent of White slavery at the hands of the Moors, Arabs and Turks that lasted centuries if not a thousand years.
Millions of White looking Arabs, Turks and Berbers are the descendants of European slaves.
Unmixed Arabs, Turks and Berbers have facial features and skin color very very different from Europeans.
How can you explain that?
Millions of Arabs, Berbers and Turks paleface with blond hair or light hair?
White slavery (or slavery) is outlawed and yet it is still practiced in Europe but it recieve very little media coverage compared to slavery in Africa or in Asia
Modern day slavery in the United Kingdom
http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/modern-sla...
He is a liar and so are you for trying to down play the fact that many more black Africans were enslaved then whites. Those authors never claimed that black slavery did NOT exist, in fact those same authors have stated time and again that black slavery was 10 tens larger then white slavery, and the numbers prove it, 2 million Europeans enslaved, compared that to nearly 18 million black African slaves enslaved by Muslims and another 15 million enslaved during the Trans Atlantic Slave trade by Europeans. Human trafficking is illegal in the UK and not openly practice, as it is openly practiced in many parts of Africa today. All human trafficking is illegal in the UK and operated underground by gangs, often time these are Albanians, Ex-Soviet Eastern Block Slavs, Africans and Asian gangs who explode their own people, and lets not forget the racist card they play when the PC authorities go after these criminals, see Sharia Laws in the UK. So your lame attempting in trying to falsely claim slavery is an accepted practice in the UK is not only a lie but a big failure in your down playing the fact that many black people were enslave during Moorish, Arab and Trans Atlantic slave trades.

“DANGER!!”

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Since: Feb 08

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#15042 Apr 10, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
You can deny, deny, deny historical facts evidenced by studies and researches of reputabla Western and Muslim scholars, but it will not make the truth go away.
You are just mad because White slavery in Africa and in Asia shatters the myth of the White master race.
The white slave trade at the hands of the Moors, the Arabs and the Turks is a historical fact.
Whites were sold on public markets in North Africa, in Andalusia (Muslim Spain) and in Western Asia.
You are NOT any so-called "panafricanist".

What you are is just an Afro-Jáçkáss.

You are certainly no Aethiopid and you would only serve as slave material in North Africa.

The Repel Libyans, who were the victors of the latest conflict there, spent the final days of that conflict catching and killing off as many 'Black' combatants as they could, because Gaddafi had hired so many 'Black' mercenaries from the Sudan.

If you look at any NEWS footage of any part of the Maghrib, the People that you will see are a People that are OVERWHELMINGLY CAUCASIAN MIDDLE EASTERN PHENOTYPES, and legitimate modern DNA analysis has proven with out doubt that there has not been any significant change in its genetic profile since before the late Holocene Period.

In the face of THAT irrefutable bit of information,

ALL of your wishful rhetoric is nothing more than laughably pathetic fantasy.

There may indeed have been Slavic slaves utilized in any part of Europe and the Middle East TOO,

but where is your unassailable 'proof' that any more than a very slight few European Caucasians were sold to North Africans, when it is a known fact that the real money had always been in the Turkish Ottoman portion of the Middle East and that even the Caucasian North African Berbers were merely the henchmen of the Middle Eastern purse string authority from the very beginning of that 8th century push into Spain.

As per that "100 ransom virgins" of which you droolingly asinine Negro ÁSS HÓLE Afro-Fools dream you were the recipients,

none of that, whether it actually occurred or not, had anything at all to do with any of the conscript Negros of the Almoravid Dynasty who did not even set foot in Spain until the beginning of the 12th century.

Whatever ransoming that may ever have actually taken place did not last beyond the 8th century, and there certainly were no Negros amongst those Moors.

NONE of this need even be debated anyway since SPANISH AUTOSOMAL DNA STUDIES have put a laughing end to your nasty naughty little níggërshines.

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