No, that was my very overt way of saying that Muslims did not bring civilization to West Africa as they already had it.<quoted text>So now you try to narrow down the time frame when you did say that West African culture flourished 2000 years before the arrival of Islam which was your underhanded way of trying to imply that West African cultural or technical achievement did not necisitate any influence from outside influences.
So Black Africans didn't have any intellectual achievements because they were influenced by non-Africans, but Muslims did have their own achievements even though they were influenced by non-muslims?And yet every achievement you seek to gloat over, the algebra, architecture, philosphy, written manuscripts etc was actually the creation of Islamic Middle Eastern peoples,
>>>Do you understand just how stupid what you just said is?
No, they were the creation of Black Africans. They wrote the manuscripts. They established the schools. They taught at the Universities. They enacted the surgical procedures.
And I'm not gloating over anything. You said that West Africans made nothing comparable to the Olmecs. Now that I've easily rebuffed that garbage, you're now trying to discredit West African achievement by saying "Oh...well, maybe they were more advanced, but they had influences, so...so...it doesn't count".
I guess if we took all the influences away from Arabs, there would be no Islam at all. No Greece. No Rome. No Western Civilization.
No, it wouldn't. I just said that West Africans had civilization dating back thousands of years. Africans developed advanced polities even without and before Islam.which were we to remove them from the equation, leaves the West Africans with little to nothing.
I like how you're desperate enough to try and diminish West African achievements now that you've effective lost all you're other arguments and are now resorting to ridiculous hypocritical anecdotes about what qualifies as "real" achievement and what doesn't.I like how you were concientious enough to add the little disclaimer that all culture were influenced by other peoples. When people bring into question West african civilization they are looking for things which derive uniquely from West African people. Olmecs were mesoamericans who discoverd math, stoneworking, writing astronomical pirnciples on their own. Romans may have borrowed from the Greeks but they are neighboring peoples with a common origin. To be clear, it is reasonable to expect that cultures will borrow some things from each other but most of what you are claiming for West Africans are direct borrowings, a situation which I don't feel lends itself to a valid comparison of the scientific and technological capabilities of West Africans and Olmecs. Also for what its worth, an argument for the Olmecs being more adavanced than West African cultures EVEN WITH all the learning and science of the Arabs, when oneconsiders their advanced mathematics and design of a very accurate calendar, may not be without merit.
In other words, if Black people are influenced by outsiders, then their achievements are not valid, however, if everybody else on earth was influenced by outsiders, then its perfectly valid.
Olmecs were no where near as advanced as West Africans were during their prime.
West Africans built Universities and schools. They had surgeons and physicians who performed such procedures as removing cataracts from the eyes
West Africans had Navy Ships.
West Africans had iron swords, javelins, practically unstoppable armies, sophisticated military strategy, and chain mail armor, as well as armor for their horses.
West Africans had banks, gold coins, credit systems and stock exchanges.
You lost this argument. Big time.