the moors were black africans not ara...
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#13403 Feb 20, 2013
This isn't "weathered"

Stone head from Veracruz, Mexico, Classic period, c. A.D. 900; American Museum of Natural History, New York

http://home.mindspring.com/~elevencats/sitebu...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13404 Feb 21, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again, dropout. I thought UK education was better than USA, but you must have slept in class.
The bible sometimes is confirmed by finds. The presence of Hebrews in Egypt as slaves has been confirmed by archaeology. However, the return to Canaan (from where they'd come) is not described accurately. Archaeologists find no evidence of the extensive warfare suggested by the Bible account, and we have to conclude that the Hebrew scribes exagerrated to make themselves look like bad asses... same thing the Pharaoh did in reliefs of him singlehandedly slaying half the Hittite nation, etc.
So... it is not to be trusted as historically accurate. It has to be tested against archaeological evidence.
Yes, many “missing links” have been found. One that is very nearly a chimp ancestor, with a few human traits, also the link between Australopithecus and Homo was found in S Africa, You know so little about human evolution it is absurd to discuss it with you. Do you know what species was “Lucy?” Of course not.
http://carm.org/can-we-trust-new-testament-hi...

http://www.manavai.com/articles/art1.htm

Yes of course there are many confirmed finds because the Bible is historically accurate.

Just because your archaeologists can't find evidence, doesn't mean it is non existent.

You seem to think though that archaeologists are 'Gods'. You need to bear in mind that the Bible does not need to be tested by any archaeological evidence, as it stands alone in its historical accuracy.

We know however that carbon dating is extremely unreliable and that puts many question marks over archaeology and archaeological evidence.

http://voices.yahoo.com/have-scientists-disco...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13405 Feb 21, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Those depictions are all legitimate. There is no argument against them by any historian. They are well known. I have seen them all before numerous times. It's just that you are uneducated and ignorant.
What the Olmec heads look like to you is irrelevant. They look just as much like Native Americans. Again, what do you know about it? Have you studied Mexican archaeology? No. Have you ever been to Mexico? No. I've been all over Veracruz as well as other states. I know very well what Native people there look like.
Archaeologists with evidence from numerous sites have proven that the Olmecs originated in Soconusco, which is on the Pacific coastal plane of Chiapas and Guatemala.
Sorry, you're not a Hebrew Berber Olmec Chinese Viking.
Looks like Black Africans made it to the Americas long before Columbus and his posse

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/americasoldne...

http://www.google.co.uk/search...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13406 Feb 21, 2013
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
You've dedicated a huge portion of your time obsessively convincing yourself that the Africans established civilizations they had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in... and we're sad because we actually like to occasionally remind you of the truth? Ha! It would be like if I, as a white man, prattled on endlessly about how the entirety of the great Chinese civilization throughout history was actual the direct result of white people. Evidence? Bah, who needs it! I’ll just make some up.
This is largely not a forum about actual African history, it's not a "black forum"; it is a forum about other civilizations (European, Native American, Arab, Berber, etc.) wherein a small portion of loony Afrocentrics attempt to co-opt the credit for those civilizations’ respective accomplishments. It makes no sense, I know, but here we are….I know you'd like the rest of us to sit idly by and allow you to ramble on and on about how you are the progenitors of every advanced modern civilization but why would we? It's just so blatantly ridiculous.
No one will ever take you seriously. I know this must upset you, but it’s true. Why is this so? It’s because you so obviously do not have the facts and actual history on your side. Your version of history is much like the list of the topic titles on the main page of this sub-forum: Laughable, distorted, and sad. So, it’s only fitting it’s confined to this place.
You mean remind me of your eurocentric version of the truth LOL! Like I said, you can save that for your kiddies or anyone who is happy to be brainwashed with your whitewashing of black historical truths. I know the American education system is lacking and they have really brainwashed alot of people such as yourself, not dissimilar to how many Afrikaaners in South Africa are taught they were in South Africa before Black people were.

I don't mind that you were brainwashed, but confine it to your family , friends and any other fool who chooses to take you seriously.

Now grab some popcorn and watch some videos of the Black Moors...Enjoy!

Moors in Europe 2: Germany and the Holy Roman Empire



Moors in Europe 3: Who was that Head-Banded Man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The Heralded Moors
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Blacks Moors Ruled at one time in Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The BLACK Moorish Artifacts Speak for themselves (LISTEN CAREFULLY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

THE SPANISH KNOW BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE WHAT THE MOORS LOOKED LIKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Moors in Europe - Black Gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

100's of BLACK negro Moors Images in Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Black royalties in ancient europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Powerful Images of Black Moors in Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch... .

&#8234;Ancient Black Egypt Early African Spain&#8236;

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13407 Feb 21, 2013
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
You've dedicated a huge portion of your time obsessively convincing yourself that the Africans established civilizations they had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in... and we're sad because we actually like to occasionally remind you of the truth? Ha! It would be like if I, as a white man, prattled on endlessly about how the entirety of the great Chinese civilization throughout history was actual the direct result of white people. Evidence? Bah, who needs it! I’ll just make some up.
This is largely not a forum about actual African history, it's not a "black forum"; it is a forum about other civilizations (European, Native American, Arab, Berber, etc.) wherein a small portion of loony Afrocentrics attempt to co-opt the credit for those civilizations’ respective accomplishments. It makes no sense, I know, but here we are….I know you'd like the rest of us to sit idly by and allow you to ramble on and on about how you are the progenitors of every advanced modern civilization but why would we? It's just so blatantly ridiculous.
No one will ever take you seriously. I know this must upset you, but it’s true. Why is this so? It’s because you so obviously do not have the facts and actual history on your side. Your version of history is much like the list of the topic titles on the main page of this sub-forum: Laughable, distorted, and sad. So, it’s only fitting it’s confined to this place.
The Black Moors were highly regarded throughout Europe...

Moor figure in sanssouci potsdam, Germany
http://wikimapia.org/17270480/Moorish-Rondell...

Moor figure in scauffhausen, Switzerland (copy and paste, all one link)
http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/infra_anlagen...

Statue of Saint Benedict the Moor in the Franciscan church in Santiago de Compostela, Spain
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3560/338451882...

Another image of a Black Moor can be seen on the Coat of Arms of His Holiness Benedict XVI.:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xv...

The following link show a statue of BLACK AFRICAN MOORS in Venice Italy

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-83388826/stoc...

Moor sculpture in Memmingen, Germany
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Memmin...

The Coburg Moor
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zsenya/499998250...

St. Mauritius the Moor
http://www.taneter.org/moors.html

A MOOR on the COAT OF ARMS of CORSICA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arm...

4 MOORS on the COAT OF ARMS of SARDINIA
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Coats_of_ar...
Image of Gannibal the Moor of St Petersburg

http://bulletsandhoney.wordpress.com/2005/08/...

THE MOORS
Some lovely Black Moors statues. OOOOOOOH! Aren't they BEAUTIFUL!!
(Copy and paste-all one link)
http://www.google.com/search...

Paintings and depictions of black moors-(Copy and paste-all one link)
http://www.google.com/search...

The following link charts part of the Moors History in Jamaica during Slavery.:

http://www.caribbeanmuslims.com/attachments/1...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13408 Feb 21, 2013
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate to break the news to you, but you saying something is a fact doess continent was reported to the peoples of Europe and to the Spanish empire immediately, they just didn't consider them part of the "ci word."
You must try this dish called Moors and Christians or Black Beans and White rice.

You can figure out which is which.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13409 Feb 21, 2013
Bill wrote:
And if you actually look at the picture I posted you can see where the helmet continues well below the ears and below the beginning of the jawline to secure itself to the head, and this is common among all giant Olmec heads, although no one is sure what these helmets signify or what their cultural meaning was to the Olmecs. The basis of his argument seems to be that that is a specific Olmec without a helmet, that is a complete falsehood.
He says "I have other pics of olmecs without helmets" - I'd like to see them. So, post them.
Looks like Black Africans made it to the Americas long before Columbus and his posse!

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/americasoldne...

http://www.google.co.uk/search...
Jake

Bronx, NY

#13410 Feb 21, 2013
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Black Africans made it to the Americas long before Columbus and his posse!
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/americasoldne...
http://www.google.co.uk/search...
No they didn't cause you kkkknnneeee gggrrooosss have no clue how to build boats, they would have drowned like most of you knnneee gggrroooss do trying to reach the modern advanced developed Western nations of YT. Look at your knnnee gggrrrooo asss, posting from YT Western Developed nation with the higher living standards instead of your undeveloped crapola kkknnneee ggggrrroooo lands in Africa. Always talking about how "great" you kkkknnneeee ggrrroooss were in the past, which is a big fat lie, because if you great back then, your kkknnneeee gggrrroooo lands in crapola Africa wouldn't be the undeveloped hell holes they are today.
You Kneegroos like to claim you are the "oldest" humans around and that Europeans are the youngest humans on Earth yet the industrial revolution that ushered in the modern ages was all YTs doing. YTs have colonized most of the planets and YTs descendants walked on the Moon. ALL major modern mathematical, technological and scientific accomplishments in the last few hundred years have come from our European ancestors and their YT descendants. Knneeegroos were in the stone age when we found you and many still are today. Africa is the only continent where you can go almost anywhere and still find people living in mud huts and unable to feed themselves. Blacks achieve NOTHING of any consequence in the world today. You kneegroos still are primitives living in mud huts, the modern ages has passed you kneegroos right by. Shithole black Africa always a shithole, OoooongaNoooognaaaBamboon. 


You knnneeee ggggrrrrooossss still live like primitives in the jungle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Kkkknnnnneeeee gggggrrrroooosss version of a "Space Programs", What a joke! lol
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/5483100...
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#13412 Feb 21, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Especially this one....the trolls hate this 1
http://t0.gstatic.com/images...
that picture is blatantly black african and baross or anyone else cant debunk it, ive never seen a person from the americas that look like that
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#13413 Feb 21, 2013
Ancient Egyptian wrote:
<quoted text>
That mofo be fake boy lol You Afrocentrics kill me. Why is that the only picture of that mofo?????
You afrocentrics are a riot... You are some amusing kiddies lol
translation

i cant debunk the picture so ill talk rubbish and fake laugh

“I'm out hunting”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#13414 Feb 21, 2013
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
http://carm.org/can-we-trust-new-testament-hi...
http://www.manavai.com/articles/art1.htm
Yes of course there are many confirmed finds because the Bible is historically accurate.
Just because your archaeologists can't find evidence, doesn't mean it is non existent.
You seem to think though that archaeologists are 'Gods'. You need to bear in mind that the Bible does not need to be tested by any archaeological evidence, as it stands alone in its historical accuracy.
We know however that carbon dating is extremely unreliable and that puts many question marks over archaeology and archaeological evidence.
http://voices.yahoo.com/have-scientists-disco...
The buybull is the work of historical fiction masked as an authenthic work of history and faith. Just like Robin Hood is fake and King Richard is real, so does the buybull describe fictional and real people and places
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#13415 Feb 21, 2013
Ancient Egyptian wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL You idiot that is a fake coin used by Afrocentrics....He posted true coins minted by HANNIBAL'S OWN F#CKING FAMILY YOU MORON!!
That goofy "sultan" is the reason the Moors were not considered black or slaves in the US south...He is the KING OF MOROCCO you moron!!!!! A berber....A Moor
Those are taken from actual text from the moorish occupation of spain you Afrocentric retard!!!
Wake up reality is calling!!!!!
You mofos are from sub-Saharan Africa... You have no recorded history except that recored from the Arab, the Berber or the European...Bottom line.
You cannot disprove this.. All you can do is whine and complain about YT hiding African history....Its all bs with you people.
so what colour were the moors who were from senegal?????

troll
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#13416 Feb 21, 2013
Jake wrote:
<quoted text>
No they didn't cause you kkkknnneeee gggrrooosss have no clue how to build boats, they would have drowned like most of you knnneee gggrroooss do trying to reach the modern advanced developed Western nations of YT. Look at your knnnee gggrrrooo asss, posting from YT Western Developed nation with the higher living standards instead of your undeveloped crapola kkknnneee ggggrrroooo lands in Africa. Always talking about how "great" you kkkknnneeee ggrrroooss were in the past, which is a big fat lie, because if you great back then, your kkknnneeee gggrrroooo lands in crapola Africa wouldn't be the undeveloped hell holes they are today.
You Kneegroos like to claim you are the "oldest" humans around and that Europeans are the youngest humans on Earth yet the industrial revolution that ushered in the modern ages was all YTs doing. YTs have colonized most of the planets and YTs descendants walked on the Moon. ALL major modern mathematical, technological and scientific accomplishments in the last few hundred years have come from our European ancestors and their YT descendants. Knneeegroos were in the stone age when we found you and many still are today. Africa is the only continent where you can go almost anywhere and still find people living in mud huts and unable to feed themselves. Blacks achieve NOTHING of any consequence in the world today. You kneegroos still are primitives living in mud huts, the modern ages has passed you kneegroos right by. Shithole black Africa always a shithole, OoooongaNoooognaaaBamboon. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qkY93OPh77wXX
You knnneeee ggggrrrrooossss still live like primitives in the jungle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Kkkknnnnneeeee gggggrrrroooosss version of a "Space Programs", What a joke! lol
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/5483100...
stop trolling jake
Jake

Bronx, NY

#13417 Feb 21, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
stop trolling jake
Says the kkknnnneeee ggggrrrooo living in YTs Western Modern Developed nations while kkknnnneee ggggrrroooss in undeveloped crapola Africa are still living like primitives in mud huts and starving. Africa is over populated and undeveloped, its gotten so bad that black people can't even feed themselves in Africa because of over population, they need aid from Western developed nations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13418 Feb 21, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
The buybull is the work of historical fiction masked as an authenthic work of history and faith. Just like Robin Hood is fake and King Richard is real, so does the buybull describe fictional and real people and places
You saying it is so doesn't make it so.
motts

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#13419 Feb 21, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
stop trolling jake
He can't stop trolling, because he is a troll! LOL!

Level 2

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#13420 Feb 21, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are a fringe lunatic... damn.
Are you claiming Noah found bison, grey wolves, and water buffalo in Africa? Snow leopards? Bighorn sheep? Cavies? Alpacas?
Scripture “fully translated”... what you mean is twisted into shape so it will suit your cult ideology. The way the KKK did with the Bible to justify its bullshit. The “curse of Ham” justifying slavery.
You are not a Hebrew.
Most Moors were non-black Berbers from the Maghreb.
You are funny boy. You pagans dont want to believe now but you will very soon. I dont twist anything by the way. And if so what have I twisted? And slavery isnt the curse of ham.

If Im a lunatic then what are you? Animals change depending on their habitat. They also migrate. Their description of animals were different than today. No one said he found them, he just took two of everything he could. So why should I listen to a pagan about the bible?
Jake

Bronx, NY

#13421 Feb 21, 2013
motts wrote:
<quoted text>
He can't stop trolling, because he is a troll! LOL!
Kkkknnnnneeeee gggggrrrroooosss version of a "Space Programs", What a joke! lol
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/5483100...
KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#13423 Feb 21, 2013
Bill said

This is largely not a forum about actual African history, it's not a "black forum"; it is a forum about other civilizations (European, Native American, Arab, Berber, etc.) wherein a small portion of loony Afrocentrics attempt to co-opt the credit for those civilizations’ respective accomplishments. It makes no sense,

No one will ever take you seriously. I know this must upset you, but it’s true. Why is this so?

It’s because you so obviously do not have the facts and actual history on your side.

Your version of history is much like the list of the topic titles on the main page of this sub-forum: Laughable, distorted, and sad.

KiloEcho replies

This is typical Euro-centric ignorance and arrogance.

You are terribly mistaken or severely brainwashed by the fake whitewashed version of world history (North Africa, in particular) conconted by Europeans in the 18C.

Please carefully read the following passage written on races and world dominance by Paul Gaffarel, a Western scientist of French origin, back in the 19C.

Several races seem to have, in turn, exercised world dominance, and been at the forefront of civilization.

The order of succession is now very difficult to determine.

However, the Black race appears to be the first in order of succession.

The Malays hunted down Blacks in the islands of Polynesia; the Hindus chased them far into the interior of the Deccan and Ceylon.

Blacks are represented in Egyptian monuments and easily recognizable by the color of their skin, snub nose and slanted eyes. They were later replaced by invaders.

THE FINAL TRIUMPH OF OUR RACE (THE WHITE RACE) DATES ONLY FROM THE 16C WHEN NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES WERE DESTROYED OR ABSORBED BY EUROPEANS.

The true history of Africans belongs to ALL Africans, including diasporic Africans who happened to live outside Africa

by choice (settlers, traders, explorers, ambassadors, mercenaries, conquerors, colonizers, missionaries, servants, students, etc.)

by force (slave soldiers, slave laborers, sex slaves etc.)

by chance (shipwreck sailors)

If you want to learn true history, study the migrations and genetics.

There have been gene flows to and fro Africa and other continents since the beginning of time.

Berbers, aka Imazighen (plural of Amazigh) are indigenous Africans. Their history and civilizations are African history and civilizations

The indigenous North Africans, including the Berbers were originally dark brown skinned, aka Black Africans of Hamitic type.

The original North Africans looked no different than their genetic brothers from the Horn of Africa. They all carry the e1b haplogroup.

Dark brown North African became lighter and lighter over time through White slavery, White settlements and White invasions from Europe and West Asia AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND

Today's Moors are the mixed offspring of the aboriginal dark brown skinned North Africans and Eurasian female concubines, sex slaves and wives.

We do not co-opt credit for all the civilizations you cited.

However, we emphasized the aboriginal inhabitants of North Africa, Europe and Western Asia were dark brown skinned.

They looked like either Horners or Dravidians. They were not White people at all or worse Caucasians.

We underline that dark brown skinned people owned and ruled the world before the awakening of the so called White race whose homeland is in Central Asia.

Dark brown skinned people ruled in ancient Europe, in North Africa, in Asia, in America.

They were later erased and/or replaced by their mixed offspring with invaders who took credit for their accomplishments and achievements.

We stressed that white skin is a genetic mutation from brown skin.
Jake

Bronx, NY

#13424 Feb 21, 2013
KiloEcho wrote:
However, we emphasized the aboriginal inhabitants of North Africa, Europe and Western Asia were dark brown skinned.
They looked like either Horners or Dravidians. They were not White people at all or worse Caucasians.
We underline that dark brown skinned people owned and ruled the world before the awakening of the so called White race whose homeland is in Central Asia.
Dark brown skinned people ruled in ancient Europe, in North Africa, in Asia, in America.
They were later erased and/or replaced by their mixed offspring with invaders who took credit for their accomplishments and achievements.
We stressed that white skin is a genetic mutation from brown skin.
Dumbass kkkneeee ggggrrrrrooo, Europe is the homeland of us whites and always was Europe is an advanced Western developed region cause YT always ruled our homelands while we can see that where you kneegrooos ruled in shithole undeveloped Africa and Haiti the kneeegrooo still live as stoneage primitives in mud huts wearing lion clothes and hunting animals with spears.


You kkknnneeeegggrrrrooossss  do not have the intelligence to rule modern advance countries cause you played shit in advancing in the world, while's YTs Europeans ancestors evovled to give the world the modern ages you kkknnnneeee gggrrooosss still live like primitives in shithole undeveloped Africa, that is why every place you infest are undeveloped shitholes like Haiti or black Africa where you primitives still live like you are stuck in the stoneages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You knneegrooos talk about being so great and powerful outside of Africa in countries where you kneegroos never really had a presence but in your kneegroos lands in Africa you kneegroos still live in mud huts. What's wrong, you can't do shit to pull shithole Black Africa into the modern ages? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

What happened, kneegrooo, you were-supposedly so "great" outside of Africa but forgot everything when it comes to your own knnnegrrooo 
homelands? Did you get stuck on stupid or something, kneegroo? Dumb kneegroo always blaming your black failures on YT and playing the victimhood, typical black mentality. Europe is an advance developed modern region cause it was never ruled by any kkknnneeee gggggrrrrroooosss cause if it ever was then Europe would be like the undeveloped shithole knnnneeee ggggrrroooo Africa is to this day infested by jungle hoodrats living in undeveloped shit holes mud huts like you knneegroos do in shit hole Africa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You Kneegroos like to claim you are the "oldest" humans around and that Europeans are the youngest humans on Earth yet the industrial revolution that ushered in the modern ages was all YTs doing. Black Africa is the only continent where you can go almost anywhere and still find people living in mud huts and unable to feed themselves. Blacks achieve NOTHING of any consequence in the world today. You kneegroos still are primitives living in mud huts, the modern ages has passed you kneegroos right by. Shithole black Africa always a shithole, OoooongaNoooognaaaBamboon. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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