the moors were black africans not ara...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#25188 May 21, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
isn't "berber" a Afroasiatic language, that has originates from the Blacks of E.Africa
Yes, that's correct.

http://picturestack.com/758/785/0gRChadictoBe...

http://picturestack.com/758/811/X9iChadictoBe...

http://www.ethnologue.com/sites/default/files...

Rogerblench,

http://rogerblench.info/Language/Afroasiatic/...

Issues in the Historical Phonology Issues in the Historical Phonology of Chadic Languages of Chadic Languages H. Ekkehard Wolff Chair: African Languages & Linguistics Leipzig University
http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/conference/08_sp...

quote:
The older occupants have craniofacial dimensions that demonstrate similarities with mid-Holocene occupants of the southern Sahara and Late Pleistocene to early Holocene inhabitants of the Maghreb.
--Lakeside Cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 Years of Holocene Population and Environmental Change

Libyan Awjila tribe:

https://flic.kr/p/cENu7

https://flic.kr/p/cENy6

https://flic.kr/p/cENBE

https://flic.kr/p/cENv7

https://flic.kr/p/cENRj

https://flic.kr/p/cEN3g

https://flic.kr/p/cEMK9

Quote :
Libyans as described by European Explorer George Francis Lyon (1795-1832):

Morzouk is a walled town, containing about 2500 inhabitants, who are blacks, and who do not, like the Arabs, change their residence.... The town has seven gates, four of which are built up in order to prevent the people escaping when they are required to pay their duties. A man is appointed by the Sultan to attend each of these gates, day and night, lest any slaves or merchandize should be smuggled into the town.... Many palms grow in the town.... The street of entrance is a broad space of at least a hundred yards, leading to the wall that surrounds the castle, and is extremely pretty: here the horsemen have full scope to display their abilities when they skirmish before the Sultan. The castle itself is an immense mud building, rising to the height of eighty or ninety feet, with little battlements on the walls (a fancy of the present Sultan’s); and at a distance looks warlike. Like all the other buildings, it has no pretensions to regularity: the lower walls are fifty or sixty feet in thickness; the upper taper off to about four or five feet. In consequence of the immense mass of wall, the apartments are very small, and few in number. The rooms occupied by the Sultan are of the best quality,(that is to say, comparatively), for the walls are tolerably smooth, and white-washed, and have ornamental daubs of red paint in blotches, by way of effect. His couch is spread on the ground, and his visitors squat down on the sandy floor at a respectful distance; we, however, were always honoured by having a corner of the carpet offered to us.

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25189 May 21, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, that's correct.
http://picturestack.com/758/785/0gRChadictoBe...
http://picturestack.com/758/811/X9iChadictoBe...
http://www.ethnologue.com/sites/default/files...
Rogerblench,
http://rogerblench.info/Language/Afroasiatic/...
Issues in the Historical Phonology Issues in the Historical Phonology of Chadic Languages of Chadic Languages H. Ekkehard Wolff Chair: African Languages & Linguistics Leipzig University
http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/conference/08_sp...
quote:
The older occupants have craniofacial dimensions that demonstrate similarities with mid-Holocene occupants of the southern Sahara and Late Pleistocene to early Holocene inhabitants of the Maghreb.
--Lakeside Cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 Years of Holocene Population and Environmental Change
Libyan Awjila tribe:
https://flic.kr/p/cENu7
https://flic.kr/p/cENy6
https://flic.kr/p/cENBE
https://flic.kr/p/cENv7
https://flic.kr/p/cENRj
https://flic.kr/p/cEN3g
https://flic.kr/p/cEMK9
Quote :
Libyans as described by European Explorer George Francis Lyon (1795-1832):
Morzouk is a walled town, containing about 2500 inhabitants, who are blacks, and who do not, like the Arabs, change their residence.... The town has seven gates, four of which are built up in order to prevent the people escaping when they are required to pay their duties. A man is appointed by the Sultan to attend each of these gates, day and night, lest any slaves or merchandize should be smuggled into the town.... Many palms grow in the town.... The street of entrance is a broad space of at least a hundred yards, leading to the wall that surrounds the castle, and is extremely pretty: here the horsemen have full scope to display their abilities when they skirmish before the Sultan. The castle itself is an immense mud building, rising to the height of eighty or ninety feet, with little battlements on the walls (a fancy of the present Sultan’s); and at a distance looks warlike. Like all the other buildings, it has no pretensions to regularity: the lower walls are fifty or sixty feet in thickness; the upper taper off to about four or five feet. In consequence of the immense mass of wall, the apartments are very small, and few in number. The rooms occupied by the Sultan are of the best quality,(that is to say, comparatively), for the walls are tolerably smooth, and white-washed, and have ornamental daubs of red paint in blotches, by way of effect. His couch is spread on the ground, and his visitors squat down on the sandy floor at a respectful distance; we, however, were always honoured by having a corner of the carpet offered to us.
LOL at your lying attempts to appear erudite.

And what is the relevance of that information? None.

Yet you can post nothing about the DNA of Maghreb sites for the past 30k years, though many studies of this have been accomplished.

What are you avoiding, liar?

The TRUTH that confirms that the Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30k years? That must be it...

Since you lack the integrity to post evidence which resolves an argument you have LOST...

SHUT UP!

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25190 May 21, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
isn't "berber" a Afroasiatic language, that has originates from the Blacks of E.Africa
Wrong. There is no evidence for that.

Berber language was more likely brought in by migrants from the Mideast, the same way Kemetic got to Egypt.

The distribution of afroasiatic languages in Africa is interesting... always correlating with the distribution of Eurasian DNA... hmmmm...

The preponderance of evidence is for a Mideastern origin for afroasiatic languages.
Sankofa

Philadelphia, PA

#25193 May 21, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Afroasiatic languages originated where? But Semitic has been spoken in the Mideast since the Neolithic, and so an African origin cannot be assumed. Migrantions from the Mideast into the Maghreb occurred, several of them, this is proven, and so where did the Berber language come from?
Let's see some GENETIC EVIDENCE, boy, or
SHUT UP!


Of the 240 Afroasiatic languages over 220 are confined to Africa, of the 19 Semitic languages, 12 are only known in Ethiopia. This is according to Joseph Greenberg, the foremost linguistic scholar on the issue. There is in no way more or even an equal amount of evidence for a Middle Eastern origin over African. Again, Semitic language is the only subgroup spoken outside Africa and most of the subgroup is confined to a single East African country.

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25194 May 21, 2014
Sankofa wrote:
<quoted text>
Of the 240 Afroasiatic languages over 220 are confined to Africa, of the 19 Semitic languages, 12 are only known in Ethiopia. This is according to Joseph Greenberg, the foremost linguistic scholar on the issue. There is in no way more or even an equal amount of evidence for a Middle Eastern origin over African. Again, Semitic language is the only subgroup spoken outside Africa and most of the subgroup is confined to a single East African country.
In every case there is Eurasian DNA corresponding to afroasiatic languages in Africa. Their patterns of distribution are those of intrusive languages... for example, Kemetic surrounded by Nilotic.

Neolithic vocabulary in proto-afroasiatic has commonalities with proto-indoeuropean vocabulary. This could only have occurred if the 2 were contiguous, which places proto-afroasiatic in the northern Mideast.
Sankofa

Philadelphia, PA

#25195 May 21, 2014
"Two other lessons have particular applicability to Afroasiatic. For one, the northerly Afroasiatic languages (Semitic, Berber, Egyptian) appear together to form just one sub-branch of the family, and if relied upon to the exclusion of the other, deeper, branchings of the family, give a misleading picture of overall Afroasiatic reconstruction. In addition, Afroasiatic is a family of much greater time depth than even most of its students realize; its first divergences trace back probably at least 15,000 years ago, not just 8,000 or 9,000 as many believe." - Ehret: Reflections on Reconstructing Proto-Afroasiatic: Vowels, Tone, Consonants, and Vocabulary

More Ehret..

"The Semitic family can also trace their origins from this area in north-eastern Africa. Most modern experts hold the theory that the Semitic precursor-language must have at first existed in a cluster with ancient Egyptian and Berber, before exiting into its unique form. However the timing for these events is quite difficult to discern. The Semitic language-precursor being, for our purposes, the "last" language in formation, was somehow transported into Arabia and further east into central and northern Asia.”

Not so intrusive as Afroasiatic is related to other African language groups and you've made several erroneous claims regarding Eurasian DNA so I'd have to see proof. If the fact that almost all Afroasiatic languages are CONFINED to Africa and Africa alone, maybe you'll take the word of leading linguists which you are not.
Sankofa

Philadelphia, PA

#25196 May 21, 2014
If Semitic, Berber, and Egyptian are taken alone, disregarding the older Afroasiatic languages to the south, a misleading picture is shown. Maybe this is what you were referring to, maybe you're just full of it.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#25197 May 21, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Cry cry cry and have a big screaming nervous breakdown all you like, boy, but the fact remains:
The Maghreb has been predominantly Eurasian for 30k years.
If not, then post genetic evidence from Maghreb sites showing no Eurasian presence for 30k years.
You cannot.
So SHUT UP!
The posters here respect LINKS not conjecture
there were NO non-Blacks on earth 30k yrs. ago. try again
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TTJDT5MTO95SI ..

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TTJDT5MTO95SI
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#25198 May 21, 2014
The Maghreb Eurasian for 30k yrs LIE....

http://www.google.com/url...

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25199 May 22, 2014
I have made no erroneous claims regarding Eurasian DNA. Are you denying R in W Africa, conicident with Chadic languages? Are you denying J all over Ethiopia? And of course the Maghreb people's base population was Eurasian.

Yes, Afroasiatic is intrusive. Look at Kemetic. If it came from the south, then why to the south is it bordered by Nilotic and not other Afroasiatic?

You pretend that linguists haave some agreement about the relationships of the various afroasiatic languages, but they do not. There is no certainty regarding which are related to which.

And with Omotic now excluded from Afroasiatic, the argument for an Ehtiopian origin is much weakened.

And what of that Neolithic vocabulary?
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#25200 May 22, 2014
Sankofa wrote:
"Two other lessons have particular applicability to Afroasiatic. For one, the northerly Afroasiatic languages (Semitic, Berber, Egyptian) appear together to form just one sub-branch of the family, and if relied upon to the exclusion of the other, deeper, branchings of the family, give a misleading picture of overall Afroasiatic reconstruction. In addition, Afroasiatic is a family of much greater time depth than even most of its students realize; its first divergences trace back probably at least 15,000 years ago, not just 8,000 or 9,000 as many believe." - Ehret: Reflections on Reconstructing Proto-Afroasiatic: Vowels, Tone, Consonants, and Vocabulary
More Ehret..
"The Semitic family can also trace their origins from this area in north-eastern Africa. Most modern experts hold the theory that the Semitic precursor-language must have at first existed in a cluster with ancient Egyptian and Berber, before exiting into its unique form. However the timing for these events is quite difficult to discern. The Semitic language-precursor being, for our purposes, the "last" language in formation, was somehow transported into Arabia and further east into central and northern Asia.”
Not so intrusive as Afroasiatic is related to other African language groups and you've made several erroneous claims regarding Eurasian DNA so I'd have to see proof. If the fact that almost all Afroasiatic languages are CONFINED to Africa and Africa alone, maybe you'll take the word of leading linguists which you are not.
Thats correct,

Quote:
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S...

The deepest branching separates A1b from a monophyletic clade whose members (A1a, A2, A3, B, C, and R) all share seven mutually reinforcing derived mutations (five transitions and two transversions, all at non-CpG sites).

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S...

How does the present MSY tree compare with the backbone of the recently published “reference” MSY phylogeny?13 The phylogenetic relationships we observed among chromosomes belonging to haplogroups B, C, and R are reminiscent of those reported in the tree by Karafet et al.13 These chromosomes belong to a clade (haplogroup BT) in which chromosomes C and R share a common ancestor (Figure 2).
--Fulvio Cruciani et al
A Revised Root for the Human Y Chromosomal Phylogenetic Tree: The Origin of Patrilineal Diversity in Africa (2011)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#25201 May 22, 2014
Sankofa wrote:
If Semitic, Berber, and Egyptian are taken alone, disregarding the older Afroasiatic languages to the south, a misleading picture is shown. Maybe this is what you were referring to, maybe you're just full of it.
Sankofa wrote:
"Two other lessons have particular applicability to Afroasiatic. For one, the northerly Afroasiatic languages (Semitic, Berber, Egyptian) appear together to form just one sub-branch of the family, and if relied upon to the exclusion of the other, deeper, branchings of the family, give a misleading picture of overall Afroasiatic reconstruction. In addition, Afroasiatic is a family of much greater time depth than even most of its students realize; its first divergences trace back probably at least 15,000 years ago, not just 8,000 or 9,000 as many believe." - Ehret: Reflections on Reconstructing Proto-Afroasiatic: Vowels, Tone, Consonants, and Vocabulary
More Ehret..
"The Semitic family can also trace their origins from this area in north-eastern Africa. Most modern experts hold the theory that the Semitic precursor-language must have at first existed in a cluster with ancient Egyptian and Berber, before exiting into its unique form. However the timing for these events is quite difficult to discern. The Semitic language-precursor being, for our purposes, the "last" language in formation, was somehow transported into Arabia and further east into central and northern Asia.”
Not so intrusive as Afroasiatic is related to other African language groups and you've made several erroneous claims regarding Eurasian DNA so I'd have to see proof. If the fact that almost all Afroasiatic languages are CONFINED to Africa and Africa alone, maybe you'll take the word of leading linguists which you are not.
The punctuation is absolutely critical and comprehensive.

Let's look at the map again:
http://oi56.tinypic.com/29270jo.jpg

Now, read this:

PLoS ONE 7(8): e42213. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.00422 13

The Earliest Matches

quote:
Abstract

Cylindrical objects made usually of fired clay but sometimes of stone were found at the Yarmukian Pottery Neolithic sites of Sha‘ar HaGolan and Munhata (first half of the 8th millennium BP) in the Jordan Valley. Similar objects have been reported from other Near Eastern Pottery Neolithic sites. Most scholars have interpreted them as cultic objects in the shape of phalli, while others have referred to them in more general terms as “clay pestles,”“clay rods,” and “cylindrical clay objects.” Re-examination of these artifacts leads us to present a new interpretation of their function and to suggest a reconstruction of their technology and mode of use. We suggest that these objects were components of fire drills and consider them the earliest evidence of a complex technology of fire ignition, which incorporates the cylindrical objects in the role of matches.

[...]

Drilling has been documented as early as the Natufian culture (15,000–11,700 years calBP) through increased numbers of cap stones and drilled stones including beads [26]–[27].

--Naama Goren-Inbar et al.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F1...
KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#25203 May 25, 2014
I think that I have been banned from Topix.

My latest posts have been deleted.
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#25204 May 25, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
I think that I have been banned from Topix.
My latest posts have been deleted.
try to reply to my response here...with the posts. Would I see your messg. if you were banned?
Try again. Try shorting your messg.

The Congo river will never stop flowing....it can't, I won't let.....try to post again

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25205 May 25, 2014
Sankofa wrote:
If Semitic, Berber, and Egyptian are taken alone, disregarding the older Afroasiatic languages to the south, a misleading picture is shown. Maybe this is what you were referring to, maybe you're just full of it.
Maybe you're a smartass.

Older languages to the south? OMOTIC is not afroasiatic. Didn't you get the memo?

The Semitic languages of Ethiopia more likely originated in a proto-Semitic which was brought in by immigrants from Arabia---Mideasterners.

Chadic languages correlate with R DNA markers, and are distributed along a migration path leading back to Egypt and up the Nile. They came from Eurasia, probably some 15k years ago.

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25206 May 25, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
The posters here respect LINKS not conjecture
there were NO non-Blacks on earth 30k yrs. ago. try again
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TTJDT5MTO95SI ..
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TTJDT5MTO95SI
Yes, fool, Afronazi racist, subhuman scum, there were “non-blacks” 30k bp. The Cro-Magnon were not “black”.

You, racist scum that you are, think anyone lighter than a full albino is “black”. Moron.

I tire of your prevarications, boy. Shut the F up.

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#25207 May 25, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
The Maghreb Eurasian for 30k yrs LIE....
http://www.google.com/url...
Well, Afronazi liar, then why can't you produce DNA evidence for any Maghreb site for the past 30k years showing an absence of Eurasian DNA?

LOL!!!

You lying piece of offal, you know damned well that EVERY site shows all or mostly Eurasian DNA.

Go to hell.
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#25208 May 25, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, fool, Afronazi racist, subhuman scum, there were “non-blacks” 30k bp. The Cro-Magnon were not “black”.
You, racist scum that you are, think anyone lighter than a full albino is “black”. Moron.
I tire of your prevarications,.
we're ALL tired of you not supplying LINKS. No one wants read your b.s. pontifications

evry time you're asked to back up what you say, you instead you 'nazi' to avoid accoutabilty. You 'effing divorced loser
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#25209 May 25, 2014
@Insect brain

"every time you're asked to back up what you say, you instead use 'nazi' to HIDE and avoid accoutabilty. You 'effing divorced loser "
Mike

Racine, WI

#25210 May 25, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
I think that I have been banned from Topix.
My latest posts have been deleted.
Brotha Kilo comeback!!!

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