the moors were black africans not ara...
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#24512 Apr 12, 2014
Sankofa wrote:
<quoted text>
So where did they come from? Please show any evidence of Homo Sapien that is not part of OOA migration. The burden of proof is on you and your hair-brain perspective. Atleast post literature from someone who knows what they're talking about and gives a credible rebuttal to OOA. Northern Europeans do in fact have African dna and they don't look more like Neanderthal than other humans. Neanderthals were absolutely huge, more like bigfoot than any other human. Europeans and Africans (or any other group) have no problem mating while humans and Neanderthal obviously had issues creating fertile children. We are not the same species and you are completely biased in your foolish want to claim Europeans (Homo sapien sapien) are more related to Neanderthal than other sapien groups because they have lower levels of melanin in the skin.
well there are a couple things "alf" is trying to promote 1) whites & near humans were
first on earth and 2) whites started civilization
LION

Charlotte, NC

#24513 Apr 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Yukab al Mansur daddy was a white man! I cant find Yusuf Tachiffin!! Why do you never use links????
I don't knowhow to post links and yukub al Mansur father was part black, part Arabic. His mother was a pure negro from senagal.
LION

Charlotte, NC

#24514 Apr 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Ethiopians ARE BLACK AFRICANS more related to other black Sub-Saharan Africans than anyone else! Their MTDNA shows about 98% black African!
Many Ethiopians carry a predominate eurasion and caucasion dna sequence.
LION

Charlotte, NC

#24515 Apr 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>According to some sites the Saracens were of MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGIN which means THEY WERE MOST DEFINITELY NOT BLACK!!!According to Wiki, Muslims were considered evil and were called black as in meaning evil, even though they were not physically black!
Saladin was the leader of the Saracens:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin
But yet most eyewitnesses of the moors called them negroes. And saladin was not a moor but he did lead Moorish armies into battles.
And you still did not answer my question.
WHY WERE THE MOORS IN SONG OF ROLAND DESCRIBED AS BLACK ETHIOPIANS?
LION

Charlotte, NC

#24516 Apr 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>THE MOORS WERE MUSLIMS and still are MUSLIMS! The Moors who conquered Europe looked EXACTLY like todays modern Moroccans and Algerians! THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT BLACK AFRICANS and DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES BLACK!!!
But yet early eyewitnesses called them negroes.
Moorish lit?

morein

song or roland

Othello

aaron the moor

merchant of vienece

nagaymath turquio

These are all moors of early lit and they all were black. Why is this?
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#24517 Apr 12, 2014
LION wrote:
<quoted text>
Many Ethiopians carry a predominate eurasion and caucasion dna sequence.
Lion how could this be.....man originated in east African B4 "eurasion and caucasion" remember ???
lmao

Arlington, VA

#24518 Apr 12, 2014
Mike wrote:
<quoted text> You liar, Middle Eastern people carry the same sickle cell trait as Sub Saharan Africans, Caucasians don't carry that trait, the more you type the more you put that keyboard in your mouth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
Nice one, I like this link myself: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
LION

Charlotte, NC

#24519 Apr 12, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Lion how could this be.....man originated in east African B4 "eurasion and caucasion" remember ???
Keep in mind that there were a large fluxuation of eurasions (caucasions) that migrated down into north and east Africa thousands of years ago.
In fact, these eurasions would mix in with the black Nubians, creating the mulato Egyptians that we are so fascinated by. Most likely, they mixed in with many Ethiopians as well who were also present in ancient Egypt.
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#24520 Apr 12, 2014
LION wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep in mind that there were a large fluxuation of eurasions (caucasions) that migrated down into north and east Africa thousands of years ago.
In fact, these eurasions would mix in with the black Nubians, creating the mulato Egyptians that we are so fascinated by. Most likely, they mixed in with many Ethiopians as well who were also present in ancient Egypt.
It wasn't that long ago that the invaders came. The racists like to say these invaders were responsible for the greatest of Kemet.

Which is a lie. Blacks (non-whites) were in fact responsible for the greatest of Kemet. The original Egyptians were Black. Kemet was on a down spin when the greeks, white arabs and others started to come into Africa.

There's no fascination in my mind about the those who much later came and 'mixed' into the original population. They helped to bring E.Africa down.

By the way, those keen features some Africans have...were original to Africa. The mutation of no melanin came later
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#24521 Apr 13, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't that long ago that the invaders came. The racists like to say these invaders were responsible for the greatest of Kemet.
Which is a lie. Blacks (non-whites) were in fact responsible for the greatest of Kemet. The original Egyptians were Black. Kemet was on a down spin when the greeks, white arabs and others started to come into Africa.
There's no fascination in my mind about the those who much later came and 'mixed' into the original population. They helped to bring E.Africa down.
By the way, those keen features some Africans have...were original to Africa. The mutation of no melanin came later
White man builds Sphinx:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
White man builds the largest pyramids at Giza:
www.flickr.com/photos/menesje/8480102302/
The above men ARE NOT NGROID!!!!!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#24522 Apr 13, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't that long ago that the invaders came. The racists like to say these invaders were responsible for the greatest of Kemet.
Which is a lie. Blacks (non-whites) were in fact responsible for the greatest of Kemet. The original Egyptians were Black. Kemet was on a down spin when the greeks, white arabs and others started to come into Africa.
There's no fascination in my mind about the those who much later came and 'mixed' into the original population. They helped to bring E.Africa down.
By the way, those keen features some Africans have...were original to Africa. The mutation of no melanin came later
THE VERY WHITE EURASIAN MIDDLE EASTERN FARMERS CAME TO EGYPT 7000-5000 YEARS AGO and interbred with them making them all mixed mutts!!!! So by the time the pyramids were built the MAJORITY OF EGYPTIANS WERE OF MIXED RACE looking EXACTLY LIKE MODERN EGYPTIANS! There were some black Africans and some whites amongst them JUST LIKE TODAY!
MODERN EGYPTIANS AND ANCIENT EGYPTIANS at the time of the pyramids ARE THE SAME PEOPLE!
Read the history of Egypt before the pyramids BUMBO!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#24523 Apr 13, 2014
Mike wrote:
<quoted text> You liar, Middle Eastern people carry the same sickle cell trait as Sub Saharan Africans, Caucasians don't carry that trait, the more you type the more you put that keyboard in your mouth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
SAUDI ARABIANS DO NOT CARRY THE SAME HAPLOGROUP OF J as other parts of the Middle East! Saudia Arabians had black slaves which they interbred with. INDIGENOUS Middle Eastern people like Assyrians, and these INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE sickle cell disease:
www.israelite-samaritans.com
Nor do any Jews like the ancient Mizrahi Jews of the Middle East have sickle cell disease! Go figure!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#24524 Apr 13, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
African AE said
THE MOORS WERE MUSLIMS and still are MUSLIMS!
The Moors who conquered Europe looked EXACTLY like todays modern Moroccans and Algerians!
THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT BLACK AFRICANS and DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES BLACK!!!
KiloEcho replies
Go away, dummy!
The word moor predates Islam and the Arabo-Berber Muslim conquest of Iberia and other parts of Europe (Septimania in Southern France, Crete, Sicily in the 8C BY AT LEAST OF THOUSAND YEARS
The word moor is also used for Christian Saints from Africa WITH NO REFERENCE AT ALL TO ISLAM
-Saint Benedict the Moor; --Saint Zeno, the Moor; -Saint Gregory, the Moor; Saint Victor the Moor; Saint Maurus; -Saint Maurice, the Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Empire, a black skinned man from Egypt
.
ALL THESE SAINTS HAVE IN COMMON IS THEIR BLACK SKIN AND THEIR AFRICAN ORIGIN.
The original Moors looked no different than the elongated Africans with thin features, including the Afars or the Beja, carriers of the E3b haplogroup.
Saint Isidore of Seville wrote in the 6C: "the Moors have bodies as black as night while the skin of the Gauls is white"
https://sites.google.com/site/theetymologies/...
In Isidore’s day, Moors were black by definition…”(Staying Roman: Conquest and identity in Africa and the Mediterranean, 439-700. Jonathan Conant, 2012 Cambridge University Press
Sir Jean Mandeville, wrote that: "and men of Nubia be Christian, but they be black as the Moors for great heat of the sun"
http://www.romanization.com/books/mandeville/...
The word moor was an early English term for n@gro and the word moor was a synonym for n@gro across ancient and medieval Europe.
The English word moor has equivalents for black skinned Africans in other European languages:
Maure or Moricaud in French
Mohr or Mohren in German
Morien in old French
Mavros in Greek
Murzyn in Polish
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
Moor (n.)
Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "N@gro;"
LATER (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India.
You must suffer from a reading disability
How many times do we have to tell you that the word moor acquired a racial connotation for very dark or black skinned people across ancient and medieval Europe?
Mauritania was the land of the Mauri or the black or blackish ones.
----------
http://bridgingcultures.neh.gov/muslimjourney...
Moors' from Oxford Islamic Studies Online
ABOUT THIS RESOURCE
This article explains the term "Moor" as background to Menocal's Ornament of the World and Maalouf's Leo Africanus.
The article by David Assouline, a French national, is reprinted from The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World in the Oxford Islamic Studies Online.
ORIGIN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE TERM.
The origins of the term remain elusive. Its derivation from the Semitic etymon mahourím,“people of the West,” is questionable, and the Arabic al-Mar is extremely rare and does not occur in Andalusi Arabic sources.
Mauroi is late Greek and may have been derived from the Latin ethnic name Mauri, both meaning “dark ones.”
Following the destruction of Carthage in 146 B.C.E., the term mauri was used to indicate the tribes inhabiting the Roman provinces of Mauretania, corresponding to modern-day western Algeria and northeastern Morocco.
In the Latin Middle Ages, Mauri referred to a mixture of Berbers and Arabs inhabiting the coastal regions of Northwest Africa. In Spain, Portugal, and Italy, Mauri became Moros (Maures in French).
More commonly, HOWEVER, it was a RACIAL DESIGNATION FOR DARK-SKINNED OR BLACK PEOPLES, as in its English usage, which is seen as early as the fourteenth century.
YOUR SUCH A LIAR! Nowhere is St Zeno called a Moor! He was a WHITE MAN!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#24525 Apr 13, 2014
THE WORD MOOR COMES FROM MAURETAMIA! It means NORTH AFRICANS from Algeria/Morocco!!!!!!!!!!
Saint Zeno and St Maurice ARE NOT CALLED MOORS BY WIKI!!!!!
Victor THE MOOR WAS A REAL MOOR FROM MAURETANIA and is portrayed as a white North African!
St Gregory the Moor DOESNT SEEM TO EXIST!
Europeans used the word N**ER to describe black people! IT COMES FROM THE BIBLE!
Leo Africanus was a WHITE MOOR! Just like the majority of Moorish Kings and scientists!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Africanus
KING BOABDIL:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_XII_of_Granada
AND OF COURSE THE MAJORITY OF PAINTINGS AT THE TIME OF THE MOORS PAINT THEM AS W H I T E:
www.warfare.totalh.net/Cantiga/Cantigas_de_Sa...
The majority of Moors who conquered Europe looked EXACTLY LIKE THESE MOORS:
www.histoiredumaroc.com
The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF MOORS WERE WHITE!
Modern Moors looking nothing like black Africans:
www.marrakeshriadmarrakech.wordpress.com/2011...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#24527 Apr 13, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
well there are a couple things "alf" is trying to promote 1) whites & near humans were
first on earth and 2) whites started civilization
Um....WHITES DID START CIVILIZATION! Heard of the Sumerians??????They portrayed themselves as white with blue eyes:
www.arthistoryworlds.org/sculpture-from-sumer...
NEANDERTHALS AND HOMINIDS WERE THE VERY FIRST EVERYWHERE ON EARTH!!!!!There are NO ancient African Homo-Sapien-Sapiens found outside Africa! Their remains HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND! The oldest remains found of Homo Sapien Sapiens FOUND OUTSIDE AFRICA ARE CROMAGNON, the very first modern human in the Middle East,Europe,North Africa!
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#24528 Apr 13, 2014
My non-troll friends. Never let the racists tell you Africans take a back seat white PPL. and the world, when it comes to civilization. It's a horrific lie. A well known LIE designed to promote the racist LIE of whites (who mutated from Blacks).....being above all else on earth. As the LIE goes, whites are above all the beasts on earth. It's all outdated b.s. started after
the trans-Atlantic slave trade.....to promote so-called "white superiority".

We KNOW Africans started civilization and spread it throughout the world. No matter what a few FRINGE RACISTS say Africa is the mother to all of us.
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#24529 Apr 13, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
African AE said
THE MOORS WERE MUSLIMS and still are MUSLIMS!
The Moors who conquered Europe looked EXACTLY like todays modern Moroccans and Algerians!
THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT BLACK AFRICANS and DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES BLACK!!!
KiloEcho replies
Go away, dummy!
The word moor predates Islam and the Arabo-Berber Muslim conquest of Iberia and other parts of Europe (Septimania in Southern France, Crete, Sicily in the 8C BY AT LEAST OF THOUSAND YEARS
The word moor is also used for Christian Saints from Africa WITH NO REFERENCE AT ALL TO ISLAM
-Saint Benedict the Moor; --Saint Zeno, the Moor; -Saint Gregory, the Moor; Saint Victor the Moor; Saint Maurus; -Saint Maurice, the Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Empire, a black skinned man from Egypt
.
ALL THESE SAINTS HAVE IN COMMON IS THEIR BLACK SKIN AND THEIR AFRICAN ORIGIN.
The original Moors looked no different than the elongated Africans with thin features, including the Afars or the Beja, carriers of the E3b haplogroup.
Saint Isidore of Seville wrote in the 6C: "the Moors have bodies as black as night while the skin of the Gauls is white"
https://sites.google.com/site/theetymologies/...
In Isidore’s day, Moors were black by definition…”(Staying Roman: Conquest and identity in Africa and the Mediterranean, 439-700. Jonathan Conant, 2012 Cambridge University Press
Sir Jean Mandeville, wrote that: "and men of Nubia be Christian, but they be black as the Moors for great heat of the sun"
http://www.romanization.com/books/mandeville/...
The word moor was an early English term for n@gro and the word moor was a synonym for n@gro across ancient and medieval Europe.
The English word moor has equivalents for black skinned Africans in other European languages:
Maure or Moricaud in French
Mohr or Mohren in German
Morien in old French
Mavros in Greek
Murzyn in Polish
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
Moor (n.)
Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "N@gro;"
LATER (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India.
You must suffer from a reading disability
How many times do we have to tell you that the word moor acquired a racial connotation for very dark or black skinned people across ancient and medieval Europe?
Mauritania was the land of the Mauri or the black or blackish ones.
----------
http://bridgingcultures.neh.gov/muslimjourney...
Moors' from Oxford Islamic Studies Online
ABOUT THIS RESOURCE
This article explains the term "Moor" as background to Menocal's Ornament of the World and Maalouf's Leo Africanus.
The article by David Assouline, a French national, is reprinted from The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World in the Oxford Islamic Studies Online.
ORIGIN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE TERM.
The origins of the term remain elusive. Its derivation from the Semitic etymon mahourím,“people of the West,” is questionable, and the Arabic al-Mar is extremely rare and does not occur in Andalusi Arabic sources.
Mauroi is late Greek and may have been derived from the Latin ethnic name Mauri, both meaning “dark ones.”
Following the destruction of Carthage in 146 B.C.E., the term mauri was used to indicate the tribes inhabiting the Roman provinces of Mauretania, corresponding to modern-day western Algeria and northeastern Morocco.
In the Latin Middle Ages, Mauri referred to a mixture of Berbers and Arabs inhabiting the coastal regions of Northwest Africa. In Spain, Portugal, and Italy, Mauri became Moros (Maures in French).
More commonly, HOWEVER, it was a RACIAL DESIGNATION FOR DARK-SKINNED OR BLACK PEOPLES, as in its English usage, which is seen as early as the fourteenth century.
thanks for using sources ( unlike wiki) which can't be edited. Lets all take a page from KiloEcho's book and stay away from so-called "sources" ..which can be constantly EDITED at the drop of a hat
LION

Stanley, NC

#24530 Apr 13, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't that long ago that the invaders came. The racists like to say these invaders were responsible for the greatest of Kemet.
Which is a lie. Blacks (non-whites) were in fact responsible for the greatest of Kemet. The original Egyptians were Black. Kemet was on a down spin when the greeks, white arabs and others started to come into Africa.
There's no fascination in my mind about the those who much later came and 'mixed' into the original population. They helped to bring E.Africa down.
By the way, those keen features some Africans have...were original to Africa. The mutation of no melanin came later
The original pyramids have black Nubian type on the hieroglyphics. But as the years went by, they seem to lighten up. This had to come from black Nubians race mixing with eurasions or caucasions later on.
LION

Stanley, NC

#24531 Apr 13, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>White man builds Sphinx:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
White man builds the largest pyramids at Giza:
www.flickr.com/photos/menesje/8480102302/
The above men ARE NOT NGROID!!!!!
You in serious denial. The sphinx is of a negro. Blacks build the pyramid of giza. And it is clear that your biggest fear in life are blacks.
LION

Stanley, NC

#24532 Apr 13, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Um....WHITES DID START CIVILIZATION! Heard of the Sumerians??????They portrayed themselves as white with blue eyes:
www.arthistoryworlds.org/sculpture-from-sumer...
NEANDERTHALS AND HOMINIDS WERE THE VERY FIRST EVERYWHERE ON EARTH!!!!!There are NO ancient African Homo-Sapien-Sapiens found outside Africa! Their remains HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND! The oldest remains found of Homo Sapien Sapiens FOUND OUTSIDE AFRICA ARE CROMAGNON, the very first modern human in the Middle East,Europe,North Africa!
Why were the moors in SONG OF ROLAND described as black Ethiopians? You never answered me.

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