the moors were black africans not ara...
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23274 Mar 12, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
Garrig said
"What?? North Africa isn't Black Africa???"
No, and I don't know antyone who thinks it is.
When you say that North Africans are indigenous you are not decribing the whole picture, their mtdna is majority Eurasian.
You can sing about African diversity all you like but significant differences in phenotype warrants categorization in a different racial group.
That's just how it works.
You can't have light skin Africans with wavy hair and straight noses and then dark pygmies with with tightly coiled hair and flat faces and say they are the same race just because they are on the continent of Africa.
Racial cateogories are based on phsyical difference not geography.
You just want to claim as many people as possible.
What's wrong with sticking to your direct line of descent, you know..in West Africa???
KiloEcho replies
http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/mitoc...
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes almost exclusively from women because egg cells have a lot of mtDNA while men's sperm cells have only a little bit.
Eurasian women and African men all the way from Norwestern Africa to the Saharan regions.
That says a lot about Eurasians' contributions to the history of North Africa, the history of Northwestern Africa, in particular.
All those Eurasian women came to Africa as a tribute given to powerful African men dating black to a period when Africans were dominant and brilliant, including in Europe (Al Andalus) or worse a booty of wars or piratical attacks on European coastal towns or ships across the Atlantic.
They were sex slaves or concubines kept in harems along with other women, including North African women.
They used the WELL KNOWN white female scheme of MARRYING UP or having children with powerful or iconic African men for the sake of profit or inheritance.
They were so successful that their biracial children known as Moriscos in Al Andalus or tawny Moors pass off themselves NOW as the White LOL and true Moors while in fact, the original, that is unmixed Moors were black skinned Africans.
Um...NOPE THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL 70 000 000 majority white Algerians/Moroccans! AND NO ONE CHANGES COLOUR IN 500 YEARS!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23275 Mar 12, 2014
Dingringsing wrote:
<quoted text>
Look the question is not where YOU think the majority of Moors came from, the question IS WHY YOU think that people in Morocco or Algeria would be named with a term that you describe as originating from the word Mauritania!!!?
Has such a thing ever happened anywhere? When will you just accept that your arguments have been exposed for the baseless garbage they are? What is this, some kind of one man racist crusade?
MAURETANIA REFERRED AT THE TIME TO THE PART OF NORTH AFRICA REPRESENTED BY ALGERIA AND MOROCCO!!!!!!!!!!
MOORS = MOROCCANS/ALGERIANS!!!!!!!!!!
www.spanish-web.com/history/moors.php

mandingowillsay
Level 4

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#23276 Mar 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>.Um.......the Moors are majority Moroccans and Algerians whether you like it or NOT! There were probably some Moors from Mauritania! You the racist who cant accept the majority of Moors were white and still are! None of them looking anything like black Africans!
Good example of how the majority of modern Moors look like:
www.marrakeshriadmarrakech.wordpress.com/2011...
MOORISH Architect in Spain COMES FROM MOROCCAN MOORS!
READ EXTREMELY EXTREMELY SLOWLY:
www.spanish-web.com/history/moors.php
THE NAME MOORS COMES FROM THE NAME MAURETANIA WHICH AT THE TIME REFERRED TO THE PART OF NORTH AFRICA NOW REPRESENTED BY ALGERIA AND MOROCCO!!!!!!!!!!
Afronazi whacked,smacked and kicked in the butt!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I don't think the point is who YOU think the majority of Moors were/are. The issue is that you rejected all the numerous and countless definitions of Moor to give your own and claim that Moor has Mauritania as its etymology.

You were asked where Mauritania is and also asked why Moroccans and Algerians would be called Mauritanians or at the very least a term that comes from Mauritania? Why do you choose to be so in denial?

You have been shut down but still act like a drowning man taking his last gulp of fresh air? I do not even have to challenge what you say (that the most Moors are Moroccan and Algerian). All I have to ask is what has already been asked; WHY WOULD MOROCCAN AND ALGERIAN People be named after a name that comes from Sub-Saharan Africa? Will I ever get an answer or will I just continue to be inundated with your pathetic and childish lies?
tina

Bridge City, TX

#23277 Mar 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>BUMBO that is modern art done by some idiot who never lived at the time of the Moors! Its like me painting African Americans! Does that mean that America is black????????
Painting by an European in the 18th century WHO DID GO TO MOROCCO:
EUGENE DELACROIX:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:Delacroix_fanatics...
That was painted in 1838! THE PEOPLE ARE MAJORITY W H I T E!!!!!!How the hell did black Moors turn white in 400 years???????
You do know that Rembrandt painting is from the 1600s...done almost 250 years before the painting you posted....also..the statues are in Europe. Why would Europeans commemorate statues of honor in the likeness of blacks if in fact they were not black??????????

Level 5

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#23278 Mar 12, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
Garrig said
"What?? North Africa isn't Black Africa???"
No, and I don't know antyone who thinks it is.
When you say that North Africans are indigenous you are not decribing the whole picture, their mtdna is majority Eurasian.
You can sing about African diversity all you like but significant differences in phenotype warrants categorization in a different racial group.
That's just how it works.
You can't have light skin Africans with wavy hair and straight noses and then dark pygmies with with tightly coiled hair and flat faces and say they are the same race just because they are on the continent of Africa.
Racial cateogories are based on phsyical difference not geography.
You just want to claim as many people as possible.
What's wrong with sticking to your direct line of descent, you know..in West Africa???
KiloEcho replies
http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/mitoc...
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes almost exclusively from women because egg cells have a lot of mtDNA while men's sperm cells have only a little bit.
Eurasian women and African men all the way from Norwestern Africa to the Saharan regions.
That says a lot about Eurasians' contributions to the history of North Africa, the history of Northwestern Africa, in particular.
All those Eurasian women came to Africa as a tribute given to powerful African men dating black to a period when Africans were dominant and brilliant, including in Europe (Al Andalus) or worse a booty of wars or piratical attacks on European coastal towns or ships across the Atlantic.
They were sex slaves or concubines kept in harems along with other women, including North African women.
They used the WELL KNOWN white female scheme of MARRYING UP or having children with powerful or iconic African men for the sake of profit or inheritance.
They were so successful that their biracial children known as Moriscos in Al Andalus or tawny Moors pass off themselves NOW as the White LOL and true Moors while in fact, the original, that is unmixed Moors were black skinned Africans.
No one has been able to conclusively establish that the Eurasian dna is mostly from recent White slavery. Studies indicate that much of it was already in North Africa back in preshitoric times.

Eurasian mtdna plus North East Africa y-dna does not equal indigenous African..sorry folks. That's just not logical.

And Berbers(North Africans) usually were mostly subserviant to Arabs in Spain. There was a pecking order among the Moors.

. In al-Andalus, the Muslim majority was composed of three powerful groups: the Arabs, a numerically slight but powerful, dominent elite; the Berbers, outnumbering the Arabs, and powerful militarily; and the Neo-Muslims, muwalladûn, eventually the majority of the population. Political life in Islamic Spain throughout the high middle ages was conditioned by the balance of power among these three culturally distinctive groups. In addition, there were two very large non-Muslim religious minorities, the Christians (Mozarabs) and Jews, who played social and economic roles that were not insignificant. In Christian Spain, from the late eleventh century on, conquest entailed the ingestion of large Muslim and Jewish enclaves whose role in society, by virtue of numbers and economic function, was significant.

Literate Berbers wrote in Arabic,..many Berbers falsified their genealogies, adopting Arab tribal names in order to dissemble their true ethnic identity. Successful Berbers who made good in Arab society as judges or government officials had no need to disguise their origins, but many noble families resorted to falsification..

Nevertheless, acculturation did not necessarily lead to cultural fusion or to the lessening of social distance.'Abd Allâh, the last Zîrîd king of Granada, whom Henri Pérès claims to have been totally Arabized, wrote that the Arabs had joined forces to fight the Berbers "owing to the hatred of their race."
tina

Bridge City, TX

#23279 Mar 12, 2014
Mike wrote:
White historian tells the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =3Kzb8ykDo2sXX&list=PL6F3F 48925E7F5F86
so...in the book Candide published in the 1700s by a European man....a white princess, her mother, and maid servants are taken as slaves to Morocco...and she describes the "Moorish CAPTAIN" as a hideous Negro??? Lol. Mmm intersting =) and upon her arrival to Morocco she speaks of people who look like BLACKS, mulattoes, and tawnies.

Great find Mike =)
tina

Bridge City, TX

#23281 Mar 12, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, I don't think the point is who YOU think the majority of Moors were/are. The issue is that you rejected all the numerous and countless definitions of Moor to give your own and claim that Moor has Mauritania as its etymology.
You were asked where Mauritania is and also asked why Moroccans and Algerians would be called Mauritanians or at the very least a term that comes from Mauritania? Why do you choose to be so in denial?
You have been shut down but still act like a drowning man taking his last gulp of fresh air? I do not even have to challenge what you say (that the most Moors are Moroccan and Algerian). All I have to ask is what has already been asked; WHY WOULD MOROCCAN AND ALGERIAN People be named after a name that comes from Sub-Saharan Africa? Will I ever get an answer or will I just continue to be inundated with your pathetic and childish lies?
no you will not get a real answer from African AE concerning why Moroccan and Algerian people are named after a name that comes from Sub-Saharan Africa...because no one on stormfront knows the answer.
Citizen 1986

UK

#23282 Mar 12, 2014
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
No one has been able to conclusively establish that the Eurasian dna is mostly from recent White slavery. Studies indicate that much of it was already in North Africa back in preshitoric times.
Eurasian mtdna plus North East Africa y-dna does not equal indigenous African..sorry folks. That's just not logical.
And Berbers(North Africans) usually were mostly subserviant to Arabs in Spain. There was a pecking order among the Moors.
. In al-Andalus, the Muslim majority was composed of three powerful groups: the Arabs, a numerically slight but powerful, dominent elite; the Berbers, outnumbering the Arabs, and powerful militarily; and the Neo-Muslims, muwalladûn, eventually the majority of the population. Political life in Islamic Spain throughout the high middle ages was conditioned by the balance of power among these three culturally distinctive groups. In addition, there were two very large non-Muslim religious minorities, the Christians (Mozarabs) and Jews, who played social and economic roles that were not insignificant. In Christian Spain, from the late eleventh century on, conquest entailed the ingestion of large Muslim and Jewish enclaves whose role in society, by virtue of numbers and economic function, was significant.
Literate Berbers wrote in Arabic,..many Berbers falsified their genealogies, adopting Arab tribal names in order to dissemble their true ethnic identity. Successful Berbers who made good in Arab society as judges or government officials had no need to disguise their origins, but many noble families resorted to falsification..
Nevertheless, acculturation did not necessarily lead to cultural fusion or to the lessening of social distance.'Abd Allâh, the last Zîrîd king of Granada, whom Henri Pérès claims to have been totally Arabized, wrote that the Arabs had joined forces to fight the Berbers "owing to the hatred of their race."
You mention only Eurasian MTDNA but leave out the SSA DNA which is 20KYs. The SSA DNA in berbers is 20% and does who identify as Arabs 30%. Talk about the whole issue not the ones that suit your agenda. Bring out the break down of their DNA and lets talk about it.
trollslayer

Alsip, IL

#23284 Mar 12, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
the racist, propaganga spreaders hate this vid
Black Native North Africans = BLACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

original N.Africans
trollslayer

Alsip, IL

#23285 Mar 12, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

original N.Africans
trollslayer

Alsip, IL

#23286 Mar 12, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Genocide of the ORIGINAL Moors.OF North Africans)

“DANGER!!”

Level 8

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#23287 Mar 12, 2014
Sankofa wrote:
<quoted text>
What?? North Africa isn't Black Africa??? Again, no one is saying these people are Bantu only that they ARE related and they ARE indigenous Africans. All this trying to make them Eurasian is bs!!
HAH!!!

Even the 'E1b1b' Y-hg cannot be proven to have actually originated in Africa, according to the I.S.O.G.G.

AUTOCHTHANOUS North Africans are a mixture of several different Y-DNA and mt-DNA. They may not necessarily be considered Eurasian but they DÁMNED SURE ARE DESCENDED FROM EURASIAN ANCESTORS AND (((NOT))) ANY BÚLLSHÍT BANTUS, DÚMB ÁSS.

Any foolishly ignorant and completely deluded attempt on your part to pretend that that they are ~somehow~ descended from Bantus is pure dog excrement folly.

If you insist that they are descended from Bantus and NOT from Eurasian then you will have to prove it because the burden of proof would be on YOU.

The only problem is that...

I've already proven in MANY ways that North Africans, for the most part, are descended from Eurasian Caucasians.

The Autochthonous North Africans are overwhelmingly Caucasian.

The 'Black' Africans that are found in North Africa, today, did NOT arrive in North Africa any sooner than ~1,200yrs ago as conscript slaves, and most of them arrived NO sooner than ~750yrs ago, as conscript slaves.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado...

"The indigenous North African ancestry may have been more common in Berber populations and appears most closely related to populations outside of Africa, but divergence between Maghrebi peoples and Near Eastern/Europeans likely precedes the Holocene (>12,000 ya)."

"We also find significant signatures of sub-Saharan African ancestry that vary substantially among populations. These sub-Saharan ancestries appear to be a recent introduction into North African populations, dating to about 1,200 years ago in southern Morocco and about 750 years ago into Egypt, possibly reflecting the patterns of the trans-Saharan slave trade that occurred during this period."

“DANGER!!”

Level 8

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#23288 Mar 12, 2014
trollslobber wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f eature=player_detailpage&v =VWIzkdqPjIs
original N.Africans
HAH!!!

Your "YouTube" búllshít is just that and nothing more.

"We also find significant signatures of sub-Saharan African ancestry that vary substantially among populations. These sub-Saharan ancestries appear to be a recent introduction into North African populations, dating to about 1,200 years ago in southern Morocco and about 750 years ago into Egypt, possibly reflecting the patterns of the trans-Saharan slave trade that occurred during this period."
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23289 Mar 12, 2014
tina wrote:
<quoted text>
so...in the book Candide published in the 1700s by a European man....a white princess, her mother, and maid servants are taken as slaves to Morocco...and she describes the "Moorish CAPTAIN" as a hideous Negro??? Lol. Mmm intersting =) and upon her arrival to Morocco she speaks of people who look like BLACKS, mulattoes, and tawnies.
Great find Mike =)
Um....there were blacks amongst the Moors but the MAJORITY WERE WHITE and still are! If you look at crowd scenes, you DO NOT see black Africans amonst them. They DO NOT see themselves as black and are racist towards blacks!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23290 Mar 12, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f eature=player_detailpage&v =VWIzkdqPjIs
original N.Africans
ORIGINAL NORTH AFRICANS and MODERN NORTH AFRICANS ARE RELATED TO THEM:
www.sciencephoto.com/media/481366/view
So the white man has been in Africa for 30000 years making white North Africans INDIGENOUS to NORTH AFRICA!
VERY INDIGENOUS NORTH AFRICANS:
www.youtube.com/watch...
If you told these guys they are not real Moroccans, they would beat the cr*p out of you!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23291 Mar 12, 2014
tina wrote:
<quoted text>
no you will not get a real answer from African AE concerning why Moroccan and Algerian people are named after a name that comes from Sub-Saharan Africa...because no one on stormfront knows the answer.
Um.....Mauretania is not in Sub-Saharan Africa!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23292 Mar 12, 2014
tina wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that Rembrandt painting is from the 1600s...done almost 250 years before the painting you posted....also..the statues are in Europe. Why would Europeans commemorate statues of honor in the likeness of blacks if in fact they were not black??????????
Rembrandt never went to Morocco! Why do Americans do the Sphinx in Las Vegas as a blue eyed blonde man! Same thing!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#23293 Mar 12, 2014
For stupid Afronazis, HISTORY OF MAURETANIA:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauretania

“DANGER!!”

Level 8

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#23294 Mar 12, 2014
trolljiggaboo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f eature=player_detailpage&v =jh37-Ua8ymE
Genocide of the ORIGINAL Moors.OF North Africans)
HAH!!!

Face it, FÓÓL, your laughable selectively twisted and completely misinterpreted fool's version of 'wish-it hadda-been' Faux 'History' is nothing more than just MORE of your asinine unprovable "YouTube" nonsense.

In order to delude yourself into believing your foolish little brand of contrived Jïggadïbøø búllshít, you have to be retárded enough not to realize that you must stubbornly contradict an almost infinite amount of ACTUAL FACTS, FÓÓL.

The genetic mixing that went on in the Sudan and even further below does NOT have any effect upon the FACT that North Africa, especially Maghribíyan North Africa was FAR more densely populated than any part of the Sahara,

and IT was definitely OVERWHELMINGLY CAUCASIAN.

'E-M78' Y-hg Peoples did not even make it down into Northern Sudan until ~6 to ~8 thousand years ago, FÓÓL.

By that time, North Africa was already overwhelmingly Caucasian.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado...

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/chavezz/media...

...BUT, HERE, since you like YouTube so much,
watch the following:



http://www.youtube.com/watch...

...it certainly makes FAR more sense than ANY of your BÚLLSHÍT, FÓÓL.
tina

Bridge City, TX

#23295 Mar 12, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Rembrandt never went to Morocco! Why do Americans do the Sphinx in Las Vegas as a blue eyed blonde man! Same thing!
It is not the same thing Rembrandt is European...not black...so why would be paint Moors as black??? He would have no reason to unless that is what they were. That is common sense. Bad analogy on your part.

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