the moors were black africans not arabs!!!

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<quoted text>Uh..its an absolute cr*p story all Jews must be dark! The Kurds are very INDIGENOUS TO THE MIDDLE EAST and have blue eyes and blonde hair:
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Also the Kurds are known to cluster close genetically to Middle Eastern Jews.

"Investigations made by Nebel et al.on the genetic relationships among Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish and Sephardi (North Africa, Turkey, Iberian Peninsula, Iraq and Syria) indicate that Jews are more genetically similar to groups in northern Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks and Armenians) than to Arabs. Considering the timing of this origin, the study found that "the common genetic Middle Eastern background (of Jewish populations ) predates the ethnogenesis in the region and concludes that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of Middle East".

Nebel Almut, Filon Dvora, Brinkmann Bernd, Majumder Partha P., Faerman Marina, Oppenheim Ariella (2001). "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East".

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There are hundreds of paintings showing the Moors at the time they were in Europe, as white!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reconquista4.jpg
The majority of Moors were white! There were WHITE Libyans according to wall paintings of ancient Egypt!
Online dictionary says Moors were Mixed Arabs/Berbers!
Before you believe that moron Garrig, just remember that Kurds being connected to REAL MIDDLE EASTERN SEMITE JEWS, does not connect European Ashkenazi to Israel. It simply refers to a biological connection that even North East Africans shares with Middle Easterners.

Basically all human populations are connected, on a scale, some closer some further. it is not like a puzzle you just join together then claim Indians are the Japanese just because they share a chromosome.

The bottom line is like all the cites from reliable sources I have posted say, the Ashkenazi are EUROPEAN period. The greater part of their DNA comes from Europe which makes them European.

There is no point listening or heeding the ramblings of people who are completely ignorant about how DNA is read or dispersed worldwide.

By the same token you can connect all humanity together.

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Also the Kurds are known to cluster close genetically to Middle Eastern Jews.
"Investigations made by Nebel et al.on the genetic relationships among Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish and Sephardi (North Africa, Turkey, Iberian Peninsula, Iraq and Syria) indicate that Jews are more genetically similar to groups in northern Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks and Armenians) than to Arabs. Considering the timing of this origin, the study found that "the common genetic Middle Eastern background (of Jewish populations ) predates the ethnogenesis in the region and concludes that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of Middle East".
Nebel Almut, Filon Dvora, Brinkmann Bernd, Majumder Partha P., Faerman Marina, Oppenheim Ariella (2001). "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East".
Half my family are Armenian none claim to be Jewish. This is really common sense.

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Mar 6, 2014
 
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Truth must be must told about the Moors in order to shatter Europeans' false claim to racial superiority over black skinned Africans dating back to their crushing victories over Muslim Moors as early as mid the 14C.
http://www.urome.be/fr2/hispen.htm
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Ironically, the discovery of the Congo by the Portuguese in 1482 is a direct consequence of the wars that Christian Europe had waged against Muslims: in fact, it is after having successfully repelled the last Moors, after the fall of Ceuta, the key border frontier with North Africa that the Portuguese thought of continuing their journey south.
For long time, this obsession with the hunt for "the Moor" drove them to pursue their journey. With the hunt for the Moor firmly in mind, they managed to successively discover Senegal, Congo, and Zambezi.
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There were a Black Moors but not the majority. One of the first historical mentions of the large employement of Black troops was under the Amloravid leader Yusuf ibn Tashfin 1061-1106 who brought in soldiers from Senegal.

"He came to al-Andalus with a force of 15,000 men, armed with javelins and daggers, most of his soldiers carrying two swords, shields, cuirass of the finest leather and animal hide, and accompanied by drummers for psychological effect. Yusef's cavalry was said to have included 6,000 shock troops from Senegal mounted on white Arabian horses. Camels were also put to use..
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9078167/...

He also had 2,000 black horsemen as personal body guards. A tradition that was continued right down to the time of Moulay Ismail of Morocco.

One other point about the Euroepans captured in Iceland etc. This was during the time of the Barbary pirates who were alligned with the Ottoman Turks long after the Moors were kicked out of Spain. Some of the pirates were muslom refugees from, many turks and Arabs and some were even renegade Dutch and English pirates. Look it up.

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muslim refugees from Spain...

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"Secondly the invention of the term AFROCENTRIC is geared towards automatically discrediting and countering anyone who challenges the nonsense 15-18th century Western scholars pass off as history. This is why you say it then think you have refuted a solitary point I made. It's a bit the word Anti-Semitic, it was invented to stop anyone challenging the questionable activities of Europeans claiming to be Jews in Israel. Despite majority of those Israeli SO-CALLED JEWS not even being Semitic. Do you get my point good sir?
Stop thinking like most WHITE racists that accusing people of being Afrocentric is a point in itself, it is not; lol! It doesn't debunk anything I said. That's your opinion fine, but it hasn't refuted me. You wheel this tired attack on people's integrity every time someone challenges your warped notions. It says a lot about false claims you're open and want to gain knowledge (even if those opinions contradict/refute yours)"
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it's just in the 60's, challenge the LIES of racists and you were labeled "black militant".
Ahhhh, but YOU and ALL of your commiserate buddies are NOT simply just "Afrocentrists".

Much more importantly, you are all Afro-Fool-Ass MRNS.

You are the very embodiment of "Black militant" and you have always been about the business of violently attacking any shred of legitimate historical accounting,SS HLE.

You have contrived this laughably indefensible pseudo-stance that all opinions contrary to your own are mere manifestations of ghosts from what YOU have blanketed as the highly ignorant 15th-18th Centuries, when in fact you and all of your Afro-Ass-Hole buddies base most of your dredged up and misinterpreted nonsense almost strictly from irrelevant bllsht created by doped up inexpert artists and highly speculative pseudo-scientists from between the 15th and 18th Centuries, a time when the school of Anthropology did NOT even properly exist.

There is a psychological term for what you have stated.

It's called (((PROJECTING))), FL.

The rest is just ignorant uneducated Afro-Fool-Ass misinterpretation.



No one created the term, "Afrocentrist" in order to discredit any of you BUFFOONS.

The fact is that "Afrocentrist" is a kind word for what all of you actually ARE, in practice.

In case you haven't noticed, I don't use that exact term much if at all, anymore, FL.

Quite simply and taken on a case by case basis, such as for instance yourself, you ARE an Afrocentrist BUT, irrespective of that, your own ignorant brand of cocky sht slathered ignorance has been countered and discredited at every tern which further brands you, rather, as an Afro-Fool-Ass MRN.

Which came first...

the CHICKEN or the EGG??

They are actually both the same as both things are merely manifestations of the same article from differing temporal viewpoints of a seemingly never ending repetitive cycle.

Applying Occam's Razor to this seeming dilemma would dictate that we should treat the question simply as if both things are essentially the identical entity.

In YOUR case, it can be simplified to say that you have ALWAYS been an Afro-Fool-Ass BUFFOON and everything that you ever have said has ALWAYS been contradicted and discredited.

It is just one more way in which it can be shown that YOU ARE JUST AN AFRO-FL-MRN when you say that the one came before the other, as it is readily obvious that THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
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For the record there are some in Sudan from ancient Meroe.
http://www.ancient.eu.com/uploads/images/2318...
But apart from that, for the most part, Egyptian learning and science never really took root in other parts of Africa. But instead became the Inheritance of the West...
Half of Sudan is covered by the Saharan desert, but point well taken.
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If the Ancient Egyptians were negroes, people would have found such pyramids, palaces and so forth in places like Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Botswana, etc..........Yet, no such pyramids and physical artifacts dating thousands of years ago from Ancient Egypt have NEVER been found in such aforementioned African countries.

Just goes to show the LIES and BULLSHIT that the negroes spew just to make themselves feel good.

Even the Bible has the slaves in Egypt as Hebrews, NOT negroes.

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The bible has no credibility and is not physical history or anthropology. You criticize the Hebrew Israelites then go on to do exactly what they do; moronically quote the bible like there is any merit to what it says, lmao!!
I have already shown pictorial evidence that the Middle East was joined to Africa right up to the 19th century and today is separated by a a very narrow man made Suez canal. I'm baffled why you think we are not satisfied that I proven my claim conclusively with pictures.
What point do you think you can make now? Are you claiming the British are lying? Do you claim the pictures are forgeries? Come on grow up.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
I have already explained, the Middle East was only separated during the scramble for Africa, read up on it idiot.
SO WHAT, MRN!?

None of your 'chosen' authors actually proved a dmned thing but they did manage to make a buck or two by selling you their books.

The Ashkenazim are NOT the Khazars of Europe and they are NOT related.

The Ashkenazim may have European genetic admixture but they are still of overall majority DNA that is no different than from that of their true cousins, the Sephardim, and they have only been separated from the rest of the Sephardim for only a matter of centuries, NOT thousands upon thousands of years(20,000yrs) as is the case between Autochonous SSA's and both the 'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's.

Europe is attached to Northeast Asia and Eastern Europe is still overwhelmingly European type Caucasian, but Northeast Asians are also still members of the Mongoloid genetic classification..

The Himalayan Mountain Passes are even less of a separating boundary than the Saharan desert, yet the Chinese are still Chinese Mongoloids and Northern Indians are still Caucasian.

I do realize that the Sinai Desert is not as formidable a boundary as the Saharan Desert is but then so did the Eurasian Caucasians who have been crossing into North Africa since 30,000yrs ago.

You also seem incapable of comprehending the genetic drift forces of evolutionary time, natural selection, and sexual selection.

You seem to 'think' that the North African Caucasians, whom have been shown to have been overwhelmingly majority Caucasian even before 12,000yrs ago, would NOT have acted as an insurmountable barrier to any would be SSA interlopers.

In absolute MRNIC CONTRAST concerning your FL SS opinion of the Ashkinazim, YOU even attempt, quite unsuccessfully, to claim that the members of the 'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's are somehow 'closely' related to your imaginary would-be SSA interlopers.

They most certainly are NOT.

There is absolutely no SSA 'L' mtDNA-hg's amongst the purely autocthonous 'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's, either, FL.

YOU and the rest of your Afro-Fool-Ass chums are constantly wanting to believe that the'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's are somehow closely related to all SSA's, even though they HAVE been thoroughly integrated into the Eurasian genetic landscape, and away from any SSA's for over 18,000yrs.

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SO WHAT, MRN!?.
"None of your 'chosen' authors actually proved a dmned thing but they did manage to make a buck or two by selling you their books.
The Ashkenazim are NOT the Khazars of Europe and they are NOT related"

Khazars are not European, they are a Turkic people, which pretty much falls in line with your Geography illiterate pals are saying. But Turkic people as well as Europeans are not indigenous to the region in question,(the Middle East)

"The Ashkenazim may have European genetic admixture but they are still of overall majority DNA that is no different than from that of their true cousins, the Sephardim"

Hmm! No Sephardim are a completely different branch of JUDAIC PEOPLE. Ashkenazi so-called Jews are mostly bona-fide racist Europeans. Who have taken that same White supremacist gay friendly ideology and attitude to the Middle East.

http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-je...



"and they have only been separated from the rest of the Sephardim for only a matter of centuries, NOT thousands upon thousands of years(20,000yrs) as is the case between Autochonous SSA's and both the 'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's"

You have made no point here.

"Europe is attached to Northeast Asia and Eastern Europe is still overwhelmingly European type Caucasian, but Northeast Asians are also still members of the Mongoloid genetic classification"

No point here either since it does not challenge or refute anything I said.

"The Himalayan Mountain Passes are even less of a separating boundary than the Saharan desert, yet the Chinese are still Chinese Mongoloids"

More meaningless psychobabble that refutes nothing.

"and Northern Indians are still Caucasian"

They are not THEY ARE THAT ERRONEOUS TERM 'CAUCASOID' Not Caucasian which means White. White is not just having White skin and features. They are not Germanic or Slavic.

"I do realize that the Sinai Desert is not as formidable a boundary as the Saharan Desert is but then so did the Eurasian Caucasians who have been crossing into North Africa since 30,000yrs ago"

Where's your evidence that they just crossed and were not taken as slaves? What you realize, think insinuate has no relevance here.

"You also seem incapable of comprehending the genetic drift forces of evolutionary time, natural selection, and sexual selection"

More psychobabble, attach this to a point or there is nothing to be answered here.

"You seem to 'think' that the North African Caucasians, whom have been shown to have been overwhelmingly majority Caucasian even before 12,000yrs ago, would NOT have acted as an insurmountable barrier to any would be SSA interlopers"

There is no such thing as a homogenous group called North Africa Caucasians anywhere in Africa at any time. After Whites arrived as slaves, settlers and later as invaders they always had full blooded Black Africans in the places they arrived. You claim they made a barrier, yet it never stopped Blacks traveling to continents outside Africa!? Yet they stopped them on their own continent? Your claims are as delusional as always. Even Egypt was people with Black Sudanese too.

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"I do realize that the Sinai Desert is not as formidable a boundary as the Saharan Desert is but then so did the Eurasian Caucasians who have been crossing into North Africa since 30,000yrs ago.

You also seem incapable of comprehending the genetic drift forces of evolutionary time, natural selection, and sexual selection.

You seem to 'think' that the North African Caucasians, whom have been shown to have been overwhelmingly majority Caucasian even before 12,000yrs ago, would NOT have acted as an insurmountable barrier to any would be SSA interlopers."

Again, where is the evidence of Eurasians 30ka in North Africa? Does Caucasian define someone with ties to the Caucasus Mountains or just someone with gracile facial features? The representations AE has presented don't do. It seems you rely heavily on Henn et al which has many problems. Can any of you point to hard evidence of Eurasians in Africa some 20-30ka, or better yet, that North Africans were mostly "Caucasian" dating back to the Holocene?

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SO WHAT, MRN!
"There is absolutely no SSA 'L' mtDNA-hg's amongst the purely autocthonous 'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's, either, FL"

More psychobabble.

"YOU and the rest of your Afro-Fool-Ass chums are constantly wanting to believe that the'E-V12' and 'E-V13' Y-hg's are somehow closely related to all SSA's, even though they HAVE been thoroughly integrated into the Eurasian genetic landscape, and away from any SSA's for over 18,000yrs"

More psychobabble.

The points I made that have not been and WILL NOT BE REFUTED.

No Western European can take credit for the empires that rose in Southern Europe because they have no hand in the inception or foundation of these. That they have no connection to these empires is reflected in the fact that Western Europe has not one solitary ancient empire.

They have nothing like Rome and nothing like Greece. These were Middle Eastern civilizations not European. The ancient Greeks identified and respected those in the South (Africa). They regarded Germanic as nothing more than scavengers and a nuisance.

The first connection Slavs and Germanic had with any empire was as slaves in those empires.
No White man speaks a so called Afro-Asiatic language because they are nothing to do with the civilizations that rose in and around the Nile.

Africa has several civilizations similar to Egypt because Egypt was essentially just another African civilization amongst the many illustrious and industrious BLACK AFRICANS created.

There's is nothing in Western Europe that can even remotely show a connection to any people in Africa very simply because they are not connected to any of them in any capacity.

Africa has a long and proud history, that White racists have tried to distort and steal for centuries now.

I am so happy to be a dark skinned BLACK AFRICAN brother, so happy sometimes I could burst.

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If the Ancient Egyptians were negroes, people would have found such pyramids, palaces and so forth in places like Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Botswana, etc..........Yet, no such pyramids and physical artifacts dating thousands of years ago from Ancient Egypt have NEVER been found in such aforementioned African countries.
Just goes to show the LIES and BULLSHIT that the negroes spew just to make themselves feel good.
Even the Bible has the slaves in Egypt as Hebrews, NOT negroes.
That's like saying if Whites built Greece and Rome, you would have other empires identical to Greece and Rome in Western Europe, you don't so what does that say about White people?

Places like Tanzania and Zimbabwe had their own civilizations, which are also hailed by European historians. why on earth do you think all Black people would be building identical civilizations? Does that make sense even to a fool like you?

Was Europe identical in ancient times? How many centers of commerce did Europe have?

Mining dates to 55,000 years old in South Africa. It's clear they had their own things happening.
Only a stupid White fool who has never built anything would make such dumb observations.
try and look at things comparatively then realize how incredibly stupid you Hillbilly red-neck fools are.

How many thriving empires in the whole of the Americas? But how many groups of Native Indians were there all over- Maya and Aztec then what else? History and politics show that rarely do empires stand at the same time.

One rises and another falls, and so on and so forth. Then people simply move from one from the other, moving the technology and advancement from the old area to the new.

Africa is no different. The only hindrance and hurdle Africa encumbered is colliding with destructive White men who destroy everything in their wake. Rome and Greece feel after Germanic's infiltrated. Same with Europeans when they arrived in Maya and Aztec. None of these places stood after the arrival of the destructive White man.

You may not like the reality but that is the provable reality, and the history that the West do not teach.

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Half of Sudan is covered by the Saharan desert, but point well taken.
I made the point first so shut the hell up and f**k off.

Sudan is Black AND in Sub-Saharan Africa. They also built pyramids which was what you asked.

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Western Europeans, many who actually have some ROMAN ANCESTRY as in the French, and to a lesser extent the English, have a much more logicaland meaningful claim to the Roman Empire than any West African to Egypt. We could list compelling cultural, genetic,and lingiustic considerations etc, as I have expounded on in the past.

But perhaps more salient, is the fact that it doesn't appear that West Africans and Ancient Egyptians ever even met. LMAO!
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We can argue our points without using racism. Hurling insults places us on opposite sides of the same coin with white supremacists and really only serves to slow progress. I understand it may be emotionally therapeutic given the level and duration of racist ideology we've all encountered. Still, it makes anyone arguing these perspectives seem like black racists looking to for some blog-based vengeance when this isn't the case. Herodotus referred to men of Kemet as the "faultless men". Let us use that as motivation. I believe black supremacy is just as bad an ideology as white supremacy, but if you truly feel you are superior, let it be shown in the nature of your comments.
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I made the point first so shut the hell up and f**k off.
Sudan is Black AND in Sub-Saharan Africa. They also built pyramids which was what you asked.
So you don't deny that half of Sudan is in the Saharan desert? Pull out a map and look before posting.

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Western Europeans, many who actually have some ROMAN ANCESTRY as in the French, and to a lesser extent the English, have a much more logicaland meaningful claim to the Roman Empire than any West African to Egypt. We could list compelling cultural, genetic,and lingiustic considerations etc, as I have expounded on in the past.
But perhaps more salient, is the fact that it doesn't appear that West Africans and Ancient Egyptians ever even met. LMAO!
Lmao! A few English with Italian ancestry does not equal Germanic people having any connection to ancient Rome, lol! Your stupidity is astounding.

West Africans don't need to claim Egypt they/we had plenty of our own empires. I'm okay for ancient Blacks in the North and East of Africa to stake their rightful claim on ancient Egypt. Don't be under the impression West Africans are as desperate as you.

All Africa has cultural, linguistic and historical links. The Igbo's of West Africa are reputedly also a Semitic people who migrated further into Sub-Saharan Africa when Whites invaded to steal everything.

And never forget the 52 million Hausa (Afro-Asiatic) speakers in WEST AFRICA, I have a feeling your Geography ignorant ass tends to forget them.

Any more surprise claims, like the Uganda is is Asia? Lmao!!

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Sankofa wrote:
We can argue our points without using racism. Hurling insults places us on opposite sides of the same coin with white supremacists and really only serves to slow progress. I understand it may be emotionally therapeutic given the level and duration of racist ideology we've all encountered. Still, it makes anyone arguing these perspectives seem like black racists looking to for some blog-based vengeance when this isn't the case. Herodotus referred to men of Kemet as the "faultless men". Let us use that as motivation. I believe black supremacy is just as bad an ideology as white supremacy, but if you truly feel you are superior, let it be shown in the nature of your comments.
My apologies but sometimes it is hard not to deal with these people this way.
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Places like Tanzania and Zimbabwe had their own civilizations, which are also hailed by European historians. why on earth do you think all Black people would be building identical civilizations?
If negroes built all these great civilizations in southern Africa, why aren't there any visible remnants of these civilizations today?

At least I could travel to Mexico, Greece and Egypt today and visibly see with my own eyes the pyramids and monuments there.

No such thing could be visibly seen by any person going to southern Africa today. Enough said!

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