Bill Cosby Tells Don Lemon Black Men Need To Raise Their Kids, Has...

Sep 15, 2013 Full story: Free Republic 248

CNN anchor Don Lemon has, of late, turned the focus of his frequent conversations on race to the idea of personal responsibility in the African American community.

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Sadbuttrue

Chantilly, VA

#184 Sep 21, 2013
Psychatrist wrote:
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well your not lying but if thats the case we dont women look for mentors a father like figure for their child. I dont know if you are of Christian faith but we do have good men who could mentor at church. Thats what the women at my church do and A lot of boys at our church being responsible young men.
MACEO

This is excellent response!

Tariq Nasheed: Response To "Why Black Women Are Less Physically Attractive"

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“Democraps are stupid.”

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#185 Sep 21, 2013
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
Bill Cosby is a joke. Stop taking him seriously.
Bill Cosby speaks the words of truth you hate to hear.

Damages the ego.
Sadbuttrue

Chantilly, VA

#186 Sep 21, 2013
London--MACEO wrote:
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Actually, yes, I can say it doesn't work because of the state of the aa community. If mentoring, having mass majority fatherless homes, lacking resources/access were a good model for a successful community, blacks would indeed have a successful community by now. I don't know why this is still being debated. Mentoring does not replace a parent sir. That's a very bizarre suggestion..
Since almost 78% of Black Men are not Fathering "Mentoring" is a good step. I talked to several Black males who had a mentor and "no Father" who are successful.

They said had they not had that man "mentor" them where they wanted to aspire to be something they would not have accomplished anything they would have been like YOU!

Chasing WW SEX in your company like most dumb Black men do that waste time! Nothing wrong with IR, nothing wrong with marrying a WW but you focused thousands of hours hating on Black women calling them out of their name when you acted like a "Ho Yourself" and chased Poor WW Trash!

Your character, doesn't give you the Right to say a "Damn thing" because your not a "Good Black Man" nor are you someone that anybody should follow; your by yourself from your selfish, self centered ways1
London-MACEO wrote:
<quoted text>
Sex is
a part of human nature. We all want love and we all want sex that should come with it. There is nothing at all abnormal about that. What's abnormal is producing children and expecting society to do for them what you refuse to do.
Maceo

I agree; you can't get a Boy to act like a man! Either he has it or he doesn't and many don't because they didn't have any Fathers like yourself!
Sadbuttrue

Chantilly, VA

#187 Sep 21, 2013
London--MACEO wrote:
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Actually, yes, I can say it doesn't work because of the state of the aa community. If mentoring, having mass majority fatherless homes, lacking resources/access were a good model for a successful community, blacks would indeed have a successful community by now. I don't know why this is still being debated. Mentoring does not replace a parent sir. That's a very bizarre suggestion..
Since almost 78% of Black Men are not Fathering "Mentoring" is a good step. I talked to several Black males who had a mentor and "no Father" who are successful.

They said had they not had that man "mentor" them where they wanted to aspire to be something they would not have accomplished anything they would have been like YOU!

Chasing WW SEX in your company like most dumb Black men do that waste time! Nothing wrong with IR, nothing wrong with marrying a WW but you focused thousands of hours hating on Black women calling them out of their name when you acted like a "Ho Yourself" and chased Poor WW Trash and married a Poor White Uneducated woman based on skin color alone!

Your character, doesn't give you the Right to say a "Damn thing" because your not a "Good Black Man" nor are you someone that anybody should follow; your by yourself from your selfish, self centered ways!

Sorry you don't get any kudos from me; your a Fool & Scoffer
London-MACEO wrote:
<quoted text>
Sex is
a part of human nature. We all want love and we all want sex that should come with it. There is nothing at all abnormal about that. What's abnormal is producing children and expecting society to do for them what you refuse to do.
Maceo

I agree; you can't get a Boy to act like a man! Either he has it or he doesn't and many don't because they didn't have any Fathers like yourself!

You messed your life up and have nothing to show for your time!

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#188 Sep 21, 2013
London wrote:
<quoted text> Stop looking to society for ANYTHING. Society owes you absolutely NOTHING. All one can do is impact social views and norms. The ONLY way to do this, in the case of blacks, is to have self love. LOVE is the ONLY way and this must not be outward focused but INWARD focus.
Social movements can not and will not teach love and responsibility for oneself.
<quoted text> All basic needs humans must satisfy themselves. Love is a basic need. It's not societies job to love you nor provide for you in anyway.
<quoted text> Presence is the foundation for building sir. Presence is everything in terms of building. I believe you are being deliberately obtuse.
Learn to comprehend. I did NOT say we should look for governments to help us. BUT guess what we all do when we choose too live in a Nation which has a government. You also contradict yourself because you stated presence is everything yet we should teach self LOVE. Why teach self LOVE if presence itself is everything?? Evidently it's NOT everything. All you want to do is give women credit for simply being present. You as woman cannot complain about a man who share the same belief toward women. You get back what you put out!

“Freedom”

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Since: Jan 10

United States

#189 Sep 21, 2013
London wrote:
<quoted text> Sir, I'm not sure how saying something as simple as presence is the foundation for building is debatable. What next, will we all the need for water? The black community has a majority of its children lacking a dad whose present in their lives. And it's an overwhelming majority, to the point where it's almost 100%. That is a major problem in terms of building because you can't build without a foundation and parents are the foundation. One parent missing in the majority of cases isn't going to grow a community, much less sustain it. What more proof do we need that this model does not work?
What about LOVE?? Why is this NOT a foundation?? Just having Parents doesn't build. Parents are simply the result of a baby being born in this world. Have you ever heard the phrase everyone is a parent but everyone isn't a mother or father?? Mothers & Fathers who invest in their children should NOT be groped with those who do NOT because there is a difference between them. Even if BM were present, this alone still wouldn't make them a father. You have low exceptions which means you want get much back in return.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#190 Sep 21, 2013
Expectations*

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#191 Sep 22, 2013
Poverty and racism, which during the time of slavery destroyed our families, keeps Blacks from trusting each other! This is true even today among family members, so of course other relationships suffer! We, as Black people, do not combine well, so we don't grow! Even among the Black middle class, family members are often considered competitors not siblings! Too many think that to be involved in anything or anyone that is Black is a step back and everything White is a step up! For us to achieve, it will take a concerted effort within each family to trust, love, and plan for COMBINED growth!
London

Columbus, OH

#192 Sep 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Learn to comprehend. I did NOT say we should look for governments to help us. BUT guess what we all do when we choose too live in a Nation which has a government. You also contradict yourself because you stated presence is everything yet we should teach self LOVE. Why teach self LOVE if presence itself is everything?? Evidently it's NOT everything. All you want to do is give women credit for simply being present. You as woman cannot complain about a man who share the same belief toward women. You get back what you put out!
Maybe you should learn to comprehend Redefined. Clearly I said presence is everything in terms of building. Presence is the foundation for building--thus it is everything IN TERMS OF BUILDING. Do you understand? IF, we, as a community, are wanting to hold discussions on the BUILDING UP of the black community, the FIRST THING WE MUST DISCUSS IS ***PRESENCE**. There must be presence BEFORE we can proceed to do anything else. IF THERE IS NO PRESENCE, we can not simply go on to the next level BECAUSE THERE IS NO FOUNDATION FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING.

Do you understand this Redefined?
London

Columbus, OH

#193 Sep 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Learn to comprehend. I did NOT say we should look for governments to help us. BUT guess what we all do when we choose too live in a Nation which has a government. You also contradict yourself because you stated presence is everything yet we should teach self LOVE. Why teach self LOVE if presence itself is everything?? Evidently it's NOT everything. All you want to do is give women credit for simply being present. You as woman cannot complain about a man who share the same belief toward women. You get back what you put out!
In terms of building, women in the black community have satisfied the most basic of requirements for building BY,***YES*** simply being PRESENT!!! Being PRESENT is the foundation for BUILDING.

example: Can the teach teach if the students aren't PRESENT? In order to get an education, you must first be PRESENT. Being PRESENT is the foundation for an education.
London

Columbus, OH

#194 Sep 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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What about LOVE?? Why is this NOT a foundation??
Because love may not be PRESENT. The black community is a very dysfunctional, disorganized group. Love can start to form through the foundation, by being present. Presence is what's needed most.
Redefined wrote:
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Just having Parents doesn't build.
Well then you will not have a community. Presence is the foundation for building. Parents/family are the foundation for any successful community. You will not find a successful community without parents.
Redefined wrote:
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Parents are simply the result of a baby being born in this world. Have you ever heard the phrase everyone is a parent but everyone isn't a mother or father?? Mothers & Fathers who invest in their children should NOT be groped with those who do NOT because there is a difference between them. Even if BM were present, this alone still wouldn't make them a father. You have low exceptions which means you want get much back in return.
Actually you are the ones with low expectations. You also have a very lazy way of dealing with differences. The world is NOT a utopia. In terms of building, you will have to deal with those who do not have the mentality, loyalty, heart for building. What you are trying to do is think of ways where you won't have to deal with these types when there is no way not to deal with these types. Whenever you set to do something you must always have contingency plans to deal with what's at odds with your plans. If you can't do this..sit down and quit trying to lead.

Of course we know once the presence is there, there will be those who are then not suitable for building. However, that can only be determined by them first being present. Right now the black community needs more parents who are present. Bottomline.

But this will probably never happen anyway. Blacks have way too many cowards trying to run the show.

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#195 Sep 22, 2013
Raptors Revenge wrote:
<quoted text>Bill Cosby speaks the words of truth you hate to hear.
Damages the ego.
True some black people love to stay on the defense when ugly facts come about. Stop it you only hurt yourselves in the end.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#196 Sep 22, 2013
London wrote:
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Maybe you should learn to comprehend Redefined. Clearly I said presence is everything in terms of building. Presence is the foundation for building--thus it is everything IN TERMS OF BUILDING. Do you understand? IF, we, as a community, are wanting to hold discussions on the BUILDING UP of the black community, the FIRST THING WE MUST DISCUSS IS ***PRESENCE**. There must be presence BEFORE we can proceed to do anything else. IF THERE IS NO PRESENCE, we can not simply go on to the next level BECAUSE THERE IS NO FOUNDATION FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
Do you understand this Redefined?
Well if we want to have a discussion on how we can build & solve our social ills of course presence is important. However I don't see how presence would be important for Parents who are NOT having this discussion. We have to 1st see the value in our community & our children to even wanna have such a discussion. Getting some of us as group too see the value in ourselves in general seem to be the issue IMO. Why would want to buildup someone whom you see very little value in?? The white supremacists system is an example which is why I agree we shouldn't depend on our government.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#197 Sep 22, 2013
London wrote:
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In terms of building, women in the black community have satisfied the most basic of requirements for building BY,***YES*** simply being PRESENT!!! Being PRESENT is the foundation for BUILDING.
example: Can the teach teach if the students aren't PRESENT? In order to get an education, you must first be PRESENT. Being PRESENT is the foundation for an education.
If ur a teacher who doesn't really value the students, why should their presence be held as such importance?? Everyone's presence is NOT important because everyone isn't planning on bringing something to the table & thus I don't really see it as a foundation in this case.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#198 Sep 22, 2013
London wrote:
<quoted text> Because love may not be PRESENT. The black community is a very dysfunctional, disorganized group. Love can start to form through the foundation, by being present. Presence is what's needed most.
<quoted text> Well then you will not have a community. Presence is the foundation for building. Parents/family are the foundation for any successful community. You will not find a successful community without parents.
<quoted text> Actually you are the ones with low expectations. You also have a very lazy way of dealing with differences. The world is NOT a utopia. In terms of building, you will have to deal with those who do not have the mentality, loyalty, heart for building. What you are trying to do is think of ways where you won't have to deal with these types when there is no way not to deal with these types. Whenever you set to do something you must always have contingency plans to deal with what's at odds with your plans. If you can't do this..sit down and quit trying to lead.
Of course we know once the presence is there, there will be those who are then not suitable for building. However, that can only be determined by them first being present. Right now the black community needs more parents who are present. Bottomline.
But this will probably never happen anyway. Blacks have way too many cowards trying to run the show.
Presence is NOT what's needed the most. We need to see value in ourselves 1st& foremost. The world has taught NOT only BP but all the darker races too view themselves as lesser value. So when these groups are in each other presence, there is no building or development occurring. The difference between us & them is they see a little MORE value in themselves. So we cannot expect success even with presence involved because this alone isn't the foundation.
London

Columbus, OH

#199 Sep 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Well if we want to have a discussion on how we can build & solve our social ills of course presence is important. However I don't see how presence would be important for Parents who are NOT having this discussion. We have to 1st see the value in our community & our children to even wanna have such a discussion. Getting some of us as group too see the value in ourselves in general seem to be the issue IMO. Why would want to buildup someone whom you see very little value in?? The white supremacists system is an example which is why I agree we shouldn't depend on our government.
Well the point about being present is not just about those wanting to have discussions on social ills. The point of being present is much more intimate. Parents must be present Redefined before a discussion concerning building can be had. Why are you so adamant that this isn't needed? What proof do you have this isn't needed?

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#200 Sep 22, 2013
London wrote:
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Well the point about being present is not just about those wanting to have discussions on social ills. The point of being present is much more intimate. Parents must be present Redefined before a discussion concerning building can be had. Why are you so adamant that this isn't needed? What proof do you have this isn't needed?
I've already agreed Parents should be present if they are planning on having some sort of constructive discussion.

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#201 Sep 22, 2013
London wrote:
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Well the point about being present is not just about those wanting to have discussions on social ills. The point of being present is much more intimate. Parents must be present Redefined before a discussion concerning building can be had. Why are you so adamant that this isn't needed? What proof do you have this isn't needed?
Speaking of presence, please consider the fact that schools were desegregated because in psychological tests, kids were choosing the White doll over the Black doll! Black children at that time did not, indeed could not have learned that from Whites or even TV! They learned and to this day are still learning that kind of self hatred from us! We, as Black people, suffer because we truly don't trust each other or like ourselves. Poverty and racism from slavery are at the root of the problem, but we make the madness flourish! This is true even of middle class Black families, where as I mentioned before, siblings often become competitors! Until we COMBINE at least as families and stop favoring White standards of beauty, culture, education, etc over Black standards, we will not grow!
London

Columbus, OH

#202 Sep 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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If ur a teacher who doesn't really value the students, why should their presence be held as such importance?? Everyone's presence is NOT important because everyone isn't planning on bringing something to the table & thus I don't really see it as a foundation in this case.
How can you determine if a teacher values students if they don't have any students present to teach?

The teach is important because the role of teaching was given to the teacher. If the teacher doesn't value the students enough to teach, well clearly you must deal with that and take person out of the position of teaching by any means available.
London

Columbus, OH

#203 Sep 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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I've already agreed Parents should be present if they are planning on having some sort of constructive discussion.
Parents should be present for PARENTING Redefined. NOTHING replaces this role. You can't skip the needs for parents to be PRESENT for parenting in order to fill social needs. Social needs are filled through parenting and the only way one can parent is through PRESENCE.

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