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#267
Jul 30, 2012
 
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I was recently pondering the current situation in international ACADEMIA, and the impact of "Europe's" rise politically, economically and socially in the last 500 years or so on the global perspective on history and regional importance. But, since such a topic based on a overly broad perspective of the above points mentioned seems completely outlandish. I've chosen to start a topic solely discussing the one dimensional aspect of Northwest Eurasian or "European" civilization, and it's striking contrast with other regions or "continents" on this point, specifically Africa.
The term "Western civilization" is often used as a sense of pride for people of European descent, in regard to their so called superior advancement and accomplishments. But, in a way, it undermines it, since it creates a one dimensional theme in which limits the term "civilization" in the case of Europe.
The Minoan civilization is often regarded as the principal culture in which the rest of the Western civilization grew out off. But, from what I can understand the Minoans were not exactly of European descent, via Greece; but instead draws from both
Antolian and African populations and cultures. The Minoans are therefore distinct from later periods, i.e. the Mycenaeans and Classical Greece. And with that regard are only tied to Western Civilization via geography.
Western civilization is often regarded as a continuous product.
You see a continuous process beginning with the Mycenaeans, gradually progressing into traditional or Classical Greece, which then influences and partially impacts Rome ( Roman civilization can be seen as a mixture of both indigenous "Italic" cultures and those of Greece, and a possible Anatolian injection), which then with the fall of Rome ends up being completely borrowed or copied by other Europeans, i.e. Germanic, Celtic, and Slavic populations, who for the most part, historically, lacked any degree of "civilization". These Romanized populations, who later fall into the influence of Moorish, Central Asian, and Southwest Asian "Arab" civilizations, evolve into the modern European states of today. All in all, this process defines European or Western civilization... one spark, one wildfire.
Therefore "One Dimensional"!
And even worse is the fact that the spark isn't exactly European to begin with.
Not only were the Myenaeans and Classical Greece influenced by Syro-Hittite, Assyrian, Phoenician and Egyptian cultures, etc. Not to mention the influence of the Minoan civilization on mainland Greece.
Greeks in general, both historically and present, link more closer to Southwest Asian populations then they do with peoples to the north and west of them, except in the case of some Balkan populations, i.e. Albanians and Macedonians, and Italian populations due to admixture and contact.
Greece and the southeastern region of the mythical continent of Europe, not Turkey, should be recognized at the transition point between Northwestern Asia "Europe" and Southwestern Asia "Middle East"... due to the fact that they share partial linkage with both groups, genetically, culturally, and to an extent linguistically... with Greece being more Southwest Asian then "European".
No one can deny the parallel evolution of both Greece and Anatolia or Turkey.
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With the collapse of Rome, European civilization again added non-European influences into it's so called complex in the centuries to come falling the demise of Rome... to the south in regard to African Moors, to the East it was inflicted by Central Asian populations and Islamic Southwest Asians.
But this one-dimensional interpretation is incorrect!

It ignores the importance of SE European civilizations older than Minoa (which was European, by the way, not mixed---Minoa was primarily an offshoot of Vinca).
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#268
Jul 30, 2012
 
Also, the Celts are ignored, and other pre-Greek civilizations such as the Ligurians, Etruscans, Tartessans, Cerny, etc.

Patriarchal imperialism, such a that of Rome and its successor kingdoms, is indeed one-dimensional. But this is not a characteristic of indigenous European culture. It is something imposed by these imperialists.

Notice that the Romans exterminated the Druids... hmmmm... so now Europeans claim their heritage is ROME, and forget the Druids... this is not an accurate perspective.

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#269
Jul 30, 2012
 
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<quoted text>IQ by whose standards?
Exactly,a form of intellectual measurement created by those that for the most part score the highest.Now that Asians are scoring the highest it's just a matter of time before standardized IQ testing as we know it becomes outmoded.
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Jul 30, 2012
 
Bazald wrote:
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Also I think you just made a strong point on my behalf. Reinforces what I already know.
No it doesn't. When I say “Europeans invented city-building” that doesn't mean that Africans did NOT invent it! I'm simply refuting Cladeboy's anti-white racism at the same time I refute your anti-black racism.
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#271
Jul 30, 2012
 
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<quoted text>You misunderstood me. I did not mean to infer that if blacks and whites interbreed then the white gene makes the offspring smarter. I meant that the very fact that they CAN interbreed is proof that the genome is compatible enough to do so. This being the case,there are no substantial differences in the races on a genetic level. THAT being the case means that it can only be environmental.
Means that blacks ans White People are the same species, that's all. Different breeds of dog or chicken can interbreed too. Usually leads to a hybrid with some traits of both parents or amalgamated traits (think molatos and Labradoodles)
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#272
Jul 30, 2012
 
by being european
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I have often been puzzled as to why Europeans came to dominate the world. Everywhere you look you are faced with their legacy:
Cars: Karl Benz
Jet Engine: Frank Whittle
Radio Marconi
Television: John Logie Baird
Roads Romans
Central heating Romans
Infact it is often used by racists as a way of undermining black people and even with non-racist whites it sometimes feels like the elephant in the room.
Many black people will use ‘excuses’ as to why Europeans and indeed other races were so far ahead of the game technological and academically than traditional African communities.
I think it is time to sensibly take this notion on because it will forever play on the psychic of both black and white alike.
This is often used as an example of black Africans having less intelligence than other races. If you are coming from my perspective that of every race being equal then we need to find an explanation for this to combat the clunky prejudiced thinking of some of us.
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#273
Jul 30, 2012
 
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It's a well known fact that europeans the leaders in fabricating and concocting lies, and you, my pale friend are no different.
Egypt is the world's first advanced civilization, so stop tying up lies. It only makes europeans look like bastard lies who can't help but concoct stories to make themselves look and smell like flowers.
You, simple-$hit racist whom I would slap down in person, don't know much about history, obviously.

Egypt was NOT the first. Sumer was older, but Sumer was just a later outlyer of Aratta, now called Jiroft. Vinca and Cucuteni-Tripolye in Europe were older civilizations than Europe.

You do not know my color, so shut the F up, boy.

You Afronazis concoct lies to make yourself smell like flowers, so how are you any different from any drooling white racist Nazi kluxer lowlife? Not different at all, and I'll slap both of you down.
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#274
Jul 30, 2012
 
...older than Egypt, I meant. Also look at the Saharan (African Aquatic) society, only beginning to be understood. Older than Egypt.

India is likely the oldest civilization on earth.

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Jul 30, 2012
 
Barros Serrano wrote:
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What technological differences? Those only appear really with industrialization. You could say, well, Rome had concrete but they didn't have it in Cameroons... well, so what? They didn't have it in Norway either.
Ironworking in West Africa appeared about the same time as in the Caucasus. The Ghana Empire and the Roman Empire both fought with spears and shields. Where is this technological difference of which you speak?
I'm talking about such differences as farming for example. Prior to 10,000 years ago all humans were hunter gatherers. From there we see the taming and herding of livestock but then around 10,000 years ago or so certain cultures began farming. And this was a huge technological leap for makind because it allowed him to settle in one area as opposed to being nomadic. This led to the opportunity for communities to grow,villages,towns,and eventually cities.
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#276
Jul 30, 2012
 
Bazald wrote:
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Rushton did prove it. I've yet to see any evidence that blacks are a intellectually equal to White. Every test I've ever seen seems to say otherwise followed by a barrage of apologetic excuses and mitigating factors; otherwise the conductors of the experiment are boycotted and ostracized as Rushton was.
A quick look a the Wiki and I can find many scientists who admired Rushton's work.
E.O. Wilson
Arthur Jensen,
Hans Eysenck,
Richard Lynn,
Linda Gottfredson
Thomas Bouchard
plus many more.
Bulldooky.

Anthropologist Walter Goldschmidt studied the agricultural San Joaquín Valley at a time when many Okies were in the fields, where now the workers are nearly all Mexican. He would sit on the porch with the growers, the owners of the agribiz, and listen to them talk about their workers.

They were convinced that okies were inferior.“Look how their foreheads slope,” said the growers. The growers, mostly brown-haired Anglo-German types, even used the generally bright yellow hair of the Okies as an example of their inferiority.

How putrid, for those who are abusing the labor of another group to invent these superiority myths, just as whites did about their black slaves, just as whites do now about the Mexicans doing all the hard work, just as the European aristocrats did about the peasants...

It's all CRAP.
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Jul 30, 2012
 
Bazald wrote:
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Rushton did prove it. I've yet to see any evidence that blacks are a intellectually equal to White. Every test I've ever seen seems to say otherwise followed by a barrage of apologetic excuses and mitigating factors; otherwise the conductors of the experiment are boycotted and ostracized as Rushton was.
A quick look a the Wiki and I can find many scientists who admired Rushton's work.
E.O. Wilson
Arthur Jensen,
Hans Eysenck,
Richard Lynn,
Linda Gottfredson
Thomas Bouchard
plus many more.
science i.e biology,genetics etc

a lot of people says alot of things i.e OPINIONS

i want science

as stonecold pointed out. if even one african scores a very high I.Q test your views of genetic intelligence gets debunked

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#278
Jul 30, 2012
 
Bazald wrote:
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I agree 100%. We all have strengths and weaknesses. As I have said many times before. Black people have physical strength, white people have intelligence. I'm sure other races have different strengths and weaknesses too; I'm just not as familiar with them. People are different even at a biochemical level. Asian people can't metabolize alcohol well for example. I'm not saying it makes anyone inherently inferior it just that no race/breed/ethnicity/subspecie s (whatever you want to call it) is going to be superior in every way.
Again,all these differences that you're highlighting can be put down to environment. Countless centuries of living in a specific environment will yeild superficial differences within a species. The polar bear is white and somewhwat larger than it's North American counterpart due entirely to the different environments.The races of man are inherently the same otherwise there would not be ANY exceptions to the rule.

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Jul 30, 2012
 
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Valid points. But unfortunately the pale european trash don't get it and will never get it.
They are the cancer of human history. They are rotten to the core!
Umm..heh heh...I'm white.
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Jul 30, 2012
 
pn2cladelover wrote:
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waht strong point ,none of his points help you to prove genetic intelligence of europeans superiority over africans
if you think is anywhere near as advanced as nubia or egypt you had better do your research
Here you go again with the Afrosuperiority crap, as a response to Eurosuperiority crap. It's all CRAP!!!

We can find very amazing things in civilizations besides Egypt. Teohuacán in the Altiplano. China. India. Mayans.

Look, black is beautiful, Africa is amazing, Egypt was great... ok?

But so were other places.
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Jul 30, 2012
 
science i.e biology,genetics etc

a lot of people says alot of things i.e OPINIONS

i want science

as stonecold pointed out. if even one african scores a very high I.Q test your views of genetic intelligence gets debunked

like below,she academicaly more intelligent then you



http://imafidons.com/
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#282
Jul 30, 2012
 
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Bulldooky.
Anthropologist Walter Goldschmidt studied the agricultural San Joaquín Valley at a time when many Okies were in the fields, where now the workers are nearly all Mexican. He would sit on the porch with the growers, the owners of the agribiz, and listen to them talk about their workers.
They were convinced that okies were inferior.“Look how their foreheads slope,” said the growers. The growers, mostly brown-haired Anglo-German types, even used the generally bright yellow hair of the Okies as an example of their inferiority.
How putrid, for those who are abusing the labor of another group to invent these superiority myths, just as whites did about their black slaves, just as whites do now about the Mexicans doing all the hard work, just as the European aristocrats did about the peasants...
It's all CRAP.
Didn't mention Walter Goldschmidt so don't know why you're referring to him. As far as I know, all the scientists I mentioned are pretty well respected.
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#283
Jul 30, 2012
 
pn2cladelover wrote:
science i.e biology,genetics etc
a lot of people says alot of things i.e OPINIONS
i want science
as stonecold pointed out. if even one african scores a very high I.Q test your views of genetic intelligence gets debunked
Not true. I never said all blacks are stupid. People are different externally as everyone can see. If different races can be distinguished by outward appearance why is it hard to believe that they can be slight differently internally also. Black white and asian, male and female brains are all physiologically different. Fact. Why do people presuppose that there is no difference in intellectual potential despite all the evidence indicating it?
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Jul 30, 2012
 
Bazald wrote:
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Didn't mention Walter Goldschmidt so don't know why you're referring to him. As far as I know, all the scientists I mentioned are pretty well respected.
and the blacks that score higher then you in I.Q test

destroys the notion of genetic intelligence

as you should be genetically more intelligent then all blacks
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Jul 30, 2012
 
pn2cladelover wrote:
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and the blacks that score higher then you in I.Q test
destroys the notion of genetic intelligence
as you should be genetically more intelligent then all blacks
Not true, I'm very sure some blacks would score higher than I would. Doesn't mean that blacks are generally more intelligent than Whites. you're making a logical error there.
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#286
Jul 30, 2012
 
Bazald wrote:
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Not true. I never said all blacks are stupid. People are different externally as everyone can see. If different races can be distinguished by outward appearance why is it hard to believe that they can be slight differently internally also. Black white and asian, male and female brains are all physiologically different. Fact. Why do people presuppose that there is no difference in intellectual potential despite all the evidence indicating it?
because people need to see hard evidence like SCIENCE i.e biology,genetics etc why someone is inferior

not a written paper test and opinions

have you got more intellectual potential then me ??

if yes

tell me why???

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