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the reason many black men don't go to college

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KOOKY

Bronx, NY

#1 Dec 5, 2010
An Asian friend of mine was surprised I have my degree hanging on the wall in my living room. After giving me praise for my hard work she asked me this question:

"How come so many black men don't go to college and further their education?"

It's very simple. It's not because black men aren't smart or lazy (if black guys and run drug enterprises & stand on the corner all hours of the day and night to make money apparently they couldn't be all that dumb and lazy) the fact is more and more black men are starting to realize that even IF they get a college degree it will be just as hard or even harder for them to find jobs and get hired at all, as compared to black men without college under their belt, it's the same difference.
I read an article about the reasons why employers aren't too thrilled about hiring black men. One said, "Black men tend to have a chip on their shoulder, they resent authority & feel someone is always out to cheat them."
Another said, "I hire black women, they follow instructions and don't have the poor work ethics many black men have today."
More and more black men say to themselves, "why bother? Why bother racking up student debt, why go to college, graduate and still not get the job because of a felony conviction from years ago. The white male and sometimes white female employers would rather have booty-licious "Tanisha" working in the office shaking her T&A than Tyrone doing the company's filing & answering the phones. Since "I" am looked at as a failure, then by gosh I will live up to every expectation and stereotype of it! I will live day to day, hustle and then one day pass on to the next life where college, money and status doesn't matter."

In Florida there are MANY black males in this situation. Most down there are dating liberal white women, who actually take care of these men. Some white women are working two jobs as they are paying all the bills while the black men stay at home, cook meals, house clean and water her plants all day. The black men there have said, "white women understand what black men face today, the black woman feels since they are finishing school & getting hired why can't black men do the same. Maybe they don't realize or care that there are many white people that don't want to see black men succeed at all, this is why black men say the white man is keeping him down."
These men have essentially become "housewives" to these white women it's a shame. A black female friend of mine moved down there & told me about all this, she went on to say that the black guys in Florida are spoiled! Her and her sister haven't dated a black guy since they got there 2 years ago. So expect to see MORE black men not attending college campuses, expect to see MORE black men going to jail and coming out with a Felony conviction with decreases there already low employment opportunities, expect to see MORE black men giving up on themselves turning to drugs crime and white women as their way out. Meanwhile black women will date outside the race more and more each year until it will get to the point where, seeing a black couple together (black man & a black woman) will be RARE!
Carla

Bronx, NY

#2 Dec 5, 2010
Kooky, I am stunned by your topic and explanation of the black male college crisis. I suppose it could all be true, black guys always say the white man is keeping him down. The white man isn't keep me as a black woman down, in fact the white man has helped me so much I have been finding them more attractive than black men. I feel bad about that but it is what it is. Women are attracted to men that are about something and black men have given up, possibly white women are the best route for black men to take in this life. Someone has to take good care of them, why not a white woman. They are the nurturing type of women anyway, give them a sad story and they will lay down their life for you and black men are full of sad stories, smh...
chinyere

Cambridge, MA

#3 Dec 5, 2010
that is only in the african american community, not in the Black african community:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigrat...
Blk man

Hilmar, CA

#4 Dec 5, 2010
KOOKY wrote:
An Asian friend of mine was surprised I have my degree hanging on the wall in my living room. After giving me praise for my hard work she asked me this question:
"How come so many black men don't go to college and further their education?"
It's very simple. It's not because black men aren't smart or lazy (if black guys and run drug enterprises & stand on the corner all hours of the day and night to make money apparently they couldn't be all that dumb and lazy) the fact is more and more black men are starting
to realize that even IF they get a college degree it will be just as hard
or even harder for them to find jobs and get hired at all, as compared
to black men without college under their belt, it's the same
difference.
I read an article about the reasons why employers aren't too thrilled
about hiring black men. One said, "Black men tend to have a chip on
their shoulder, they resent authority & feel someone is always out to
cheat them."
Another said, "I hire black women, they follow instructions and don't
have the poor work ethics many black men have today."
More and more black men say to themselves, "why bother? Why
bother racking up student debt, why go to college, graduate and still
not get the job because of a felony conviction from years ago. The
white male and sometimes white female employers would rather
have booty-licious "Tanisha" working in the office shaking her T&A
than Tyrone doing the company's filing & answering the phones.
Since "I" am looked at as a failure, then by gosh I will live up to every
expectation and stereotype of it! I will live day to day, hustle and then
one day pass on to the next life where college, money and status
doesn't matter."
The black men there have said, "white
women understand what black men face today, the black woman
feels since they are finishing school & getting hired why can't black
men do the same. Maybe they don't realize or care that there are
many white people that don't want to see black men succeed at all,
this is why black men say the white man is keeping him down."
These men have essentially become "housewives" to these white
women it's a shame. So expect to see MORE black men
not attending college campuses, expect to see MORE black men
going to jail and coming out with a Felony conviction with decreases
there already low employment opportunities, expect to see MORE
black men giving up on themselves turning to drugs crime and white
women as their way out. Meanwhile black women will date outside
the race more and more each year until it will get to the point where,
seeing a black couple together (black man & a black woman) will be
RARE!
I agree with some of your points. As a black man with a degree I'm finding it extremley difficult to get my foot in the door in the "pro white" film writing industry.
They claim to seek "diverse" writers and "writers of color" but I suppose intelligent black males aren't colored enough. Lmao
they intergrate writers rooms with everything but black males. There are plenty of glass ceilings set up for African American males. They let you earn the degree and train, but when it's time to recruit and
hire they have a black man "qouta" that is not to be exceeded. No
matter what that black mans qualifications.
So I agree that many African American males realize corporate
Americas trickery and refuse to play the "college graduate" game.
But you are wrong when you say it will be rare to see a black couple
in the future. Despite the crossover most black men pair with black
women and vice versa, and that's not changing any time soon.
And also it seems like your preaching doom and gloom for the black man when it's not like that. Don't believe the media hype. Plenty of African American males have bright futures (military men, business owners, athletes, civic leaders etc)
Mike

Hilmar, CA

#5 Dec 5, 2010
KOOKY wrote:
An Asian friend of mine was surprised I have my degree hanging on the wall in my living room. After giving me praise for my hard work she asked me this question:
"How come so many black men don't go to college and further their education?"
It's very simple. It's not because black men aren't smart or lazy (if black guys and run drug enterprises & stand on the corner all hours of the day and night to make money apparently they couldn't be all that dumb and lazy) the fact is more and more black men are starting to realize that even IF they get a college degree it will be just as hard
or even harder for them to find jobs and get hired at all, as compared
to black men without college under their belt, it's the same
difference.
I read an article about the reasons why employers aren't too thrilled
about hiring black men. One said, "Black men tend to have a chip on
their shoulder, they resent authority & feel someone is always out to
cheat them."
Another said, "I hire black women, they follow instructions and don't
have the poor work ethics many black men have today."
More and more black men say to themselves, "why bother? Why
bother racking up student debt, why go to college, graduate and still
not get the job because of a felony conviction from years ago. The
white male and sometimes white female employers would rather
have booty-licious "Tanisha" working in the office shaking her T&A
than Tyrone doing the company's filing & answering the phones.
Since "I" am looked at as a failure, then by gosh I will live up to every
expectation and stereotype of it! I will live day to day, hustle and then
one day pass on to the next life where college, money and status
doesn't matter."
In Florida there are MANY black males in this situation. Most down
there are dating liberal white women, who actually take care of these
men. Some white women are working two jobs as they are paying all
the bills while the black men stay at home, cook meals, house clean
and water her plants all day. The black men there have said, "white
women understand what black men face today, the black woman
feels since they are finishing school & getting hired why can't black
men do the same. Maybe they don't realize or care that there are
many white people that don't want to see black men succeed at all,
this is why black men say the white man is keeping him down."
These men have essentially become "housewives" to these white
women it's a shame.
I agree with some of your points. As a black man with a degree I'mfinding it extremley difficult to get my foot in the door in the "prowhite" film writing industry. They claim to seek "diverse" writers and "writers of color" but I suppose intelligent black males aren't colored enough. Lmao they intergrate writers rooms with everything but black males. There are plenty of glass ceilings set up for African American males. They let you earn the degree and train, but when it's time to recruit and hire they have a black man "qouta" that is not to be exceeded. Nomatter what that black mans qualifications.
So I agree that many African American males realize corporate
Americas trickery and refuse to play the "college graduate" game.
But you are wrong when you say it will be rare to see a black couple
in the future. Despite the crossover most black men pair with black
women and vice versa, and that's not changing any time soon.
And also it seems like your preaching doom and gloom for the black man when it's not like that. Don't believe the media hype. Plenty of African American males have bright futures (military men, business owners, athletes, civic leaders etc)
Come on Now

Norfolk, VA

#6 Dec 5, 2010
Blk man wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with some of your points. As a black man with a degree I'm finding it extremley difficult to get my foot in the door in the "pro white" film writing industry.
They claim to seek "diverse" writers and "writers of color" but I suppose intelligent black males aren't colored enough. Lmao
they intergrate writers rooms with everything but black males. There are plenty of glass ceilings set up for African American males. They let you earn the degree and train, but when it's time to recruit and
hire they have a black man "qouta" that is not to be exceeded. No
matter what that black mans qualifications.
So I agree that many African American males realize corporate
Americas trickery and refuse to play the "college graduate" game.
But you are wrong when you say it will be rare to see a black couple
in the future. Despite the crossover most black men pair with black
women and vice versa, and that's not changing any time soon.
And also it seems like your preaching doom and gloom for the black man when it's not like that. Don't believe the media hype. Plenty of African American males have bright futures (military men, Hey business owners, athletes, civic leaders etc)
Hey there is always BET or Tyler Perry....they will cater to ya.
blacksmith

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#8 Dec 5, 2010
a question for these alleged Asian folks
why do so many of them leave their country? cant make it there?
Janice

Bronx, NY

#9 Dec 5, 2010
KOOKY wrote:
An Asian friend of mine was surprised I have my degree hanging on the wall in my living room. After giving me praise for my hard work she asked me this question:
"How come so many black men don't go to college and further their education?"
It's very simple. It's not because black men aren't smart or lazy (if black guys and run drug enterprises & stand on the corner all hours of the day and night to make money apparently they couldn't be all that dumb and lazy) the fact is more and more black men are starting to realize that even IF they get a college degree it will be just as hard or even harder for them to find jobs and get hired at all, as compared to black men without college under their belt, it's the same difference.
I read an article about the reasons why employers aren't too thrilled about hiring black men. One said, "Black men tend to have a chip on their shoulder, they resent authority & feel someone is always out to cheat them."
Another said, "I hire black women, they follow instructions and don't have the poor work ethics many black men have today."
More and more black men say to themselves, "why bother? Why bother racking up student debt, why go to college, graduate and still not get the job because of a felony conviction from years ago. The white male and sometimes white female employers would rather have booty-licious "Tanisha" working in the office shaking her T&A than Tyrone doing the company's filing & answering the phones. Since "I" am looked at as a failure, then by gosh I will live up to every expectation and stereotype of it! I will live day to day, hustle and then one day pass on to the next life where college, money and status doesn't matter."
In Florida there are MANY black males in this situation. Most down there are dating liberal white women, who actually take care of these men. Some white women are working two jobs as they are paying all the bills while the black men stay at home, cook meals, house clean and water her plants all day. The black men there have said, "white women understand what black men face today, the black woman feels since they are finishing school & getting hired why can't black men do the same. Maybe they don't realize or care that there are many white people that don't want to see black men succeed at all, this is why black men say the white man is keeping him down."
These men have essentially become "housewives" to these white women it's a shame. A black female friend of mine moved down there & told me about all this, she went on to say that the black guys in Florida are spoiled! Her and her sister haven't dated a black guy since they got there 2 years ago. So expect to see MORE black men not attending college campuses, expect to see MORE black men going to jail and coming out with a Felony conviction with decreases there already low employment opportunities, expect to see MORE black men giving up on themselves turning to drugs crime and white women as their way out. Meanwhile black women will date outside the race more and more each year until it will get to the point where, seeing a black couple together (black man & a black woman) will be RARE!
Great post mister Kooky! I think black men are facing more obstacles than we as black women are, we are encouraged to go to school and get good jobs while no encouragement is given toward black males. Then we wonder why they give up and fail.

“I'm just a Routined”

Level 5

Since: Mar 09

Plattsburgh, NY

#10 Dec 5, 2010
Honestly, college is highly overrated.
Rich Girl

New Orleans, LA

#11 Dec 5, 2010
Not true! Black men are not taught to value education. They go to school becasue they have to. Many of them are there just for a decent meal and time away from home.
KOOKY wrote:
An Asian friend of mine was surprised I have my degree hanging on the wall in my living room. After giving me praise for my hard work she asked me this question:
"How come so many black men don't go to college and further their education?"
It's very simple. It's not because black men aren't smart or lazy (if black guys and run drug enterprises & stand on the corner all hours of the day and night to make money apparently they couldn't be all that dumb and lazy) the fact is more and more black men are starting to realize that even IF they get a college degree it will be just as hard or even harder for them to find jobs and get hired at all, as compared to black men without college under their belt, it's the same difference.
I read an article about the reasons why employers aren't too thrilled about hiring black men. One said, "Black men tend to have a chip on their shoulder, they resent authority & feel someone is always out to cheat them."
Another said, "I hire black women, they follow instructions and don't have the poor work ethics many black men have today."
More and more black men say to themselves, "why bother? Why bother racking up student debt, why go to college, graduate and still not get the job because of a felony conviction from years ago. The white male and sometimes white female employers would rather have booty-licious "Tanisha" working in the office shaking her T&A than Tyrone doing the company's filing & answering the phones. Since "I" am looked at as a failure, then by gosh I will live up to every expectation and stereotype of it! I will live day to day, hustle and then one day pass on to the next life where college, money and status doesn't matter."
In Florida there are MANY black males in this situation. Most down there are dating liberal white women, who actually take care of these men. Some white women are working two jobs as they are paying all the bills while the black men stay at home, cook meals, house clean and water her plants all day. The black men there have said, "white women understand what black men face today, the black woman feels since they are finishing school & getting hired why can't black men do the same. Maybe they don't realize or care that there are many white people that don't want to see black men succeed at all, this is why black men say the white man is keeping him down."
These men have essentially become "housewives" to these white women it's a shame. A black female friend of mine moved down there & told me about all this, she went on to say that the black guys in Florida are spoiled! Her and her sister haven't dated a black guy since they got there 2 years ago. So expect to see MORE black men not attending college campuses, expect to see MORE black men going to jail and coming out with a Felony conviction with decreases there already low employment opportunities, expect to see MORE black men giving up on themselves turning to drugs crime and white women as their way out. Meanwhile black women will date outside the race more and more each year until it will get to the point where, seeing a black couple together (black man & a black woman) will be RARE!
Jina

Chicago, IL

#14 Dec 29, 2010
if they have lived in the same households as black women--as brothers to black women--how is it possible that black men have not been taught to value education?
Slave X

Brentwood, NY

#15 Dec 29, 2010
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with some of your points. As a black man with a degree I'mfinding it extremley difficult to get my foot in the door in the "prowhite" film writing industry. They claim to seek "diverse" writers and "writers of color" but I suppose intelligent black males aren't colored enough. Lmao they intergrate writers rooms with everything but black males. There are plenty of glass ceilings set up for African American males. They let you earn the degree and train, but when it's time to recruit and hire they have a black man "qouta" that is not to be exceeded. Nomatter what that black mans qualifications.
So I agree that many African American males realize corporate
Americas trickery and refuse to play the "college graduate" game.
But you are wrong when you say it will be rare to see a black couple
in the future. Despite the crossover most black men pair with black
women and vice versa, and that's not changing any time soon.
And also it seems like your preaching doom and gloom for the black man when it's not like that. Don't believe the media hype. Plenty of African American males have bright futures (military men, business owners, athletes, civic leaders etc)
Sounds like you are using the Race Card an an excuse for your lack of success. Very possible you just arent very good at writing.

Education is key...Blacks have failed to realize this as the Asians and Hispanics are passing you by.
Slave X

Brentwood, NY

#16 Dec 29, 2010
KOOKY wrote:
An Asian friend of mine was surprised I have my degree hanging on the wall in my living room. After giving me praise for my hard work she asked me this question:
"How come so many black men don't go to college and further their education?"
It's very simple. It's not because black men aren't smart or lazy (if black guys and run drug enterprises & stand on the corner all hours of the day and night to make money apparently they couldn't be all that dumb and lazy) the fact is more and more black men are starting to realize that even IF they get a college degree it will be just as hard or even harder for them to find jobs and get hired at all, as compared to black men without college under their belt, it's the same difference.
I read an article about the reasons why employers aren't too thrilled about hiring black men. One said, "Black men tend to have a chip on their shoulder, they resent authority & feel someone is always out to cheat them."
Another said, "I hire black women, they follow instructions and don't have the poor work ethics many black men have today."
More and more black men say to themselves, "why bother? Why bother racking up student debt, why go to college, graduate and still not get the job because of a felony conviction from years ago. The white male and sometimes white female employers would rather have booty-licious "Tanisha" working in the office shaking her T&A than Tyrone doing the company's filing & answering the phones. Since "I" am looked at as a failure, then by gosh I will live up to every expectation and stereotype of it! I will live day to day, hustle and then one day pass on to the next life where college, money and status doesn't matter."
In Florida there are MANY black males in this situation. Most down there are dating liberal white women, who actually take care of these men. Some white women are working two jobs as they are paying all the bills while the black men stay at home, cook meals, house clean and water her plants all day. The black men there have said, "white women understand what black men face today, the black woman feels since they are finishing school & getting hired why can't black men do the same. Maybe they don't realize or care that there are many white people that don't want to see black men succeed at all, this is why black men say the white man is keeping him down."
These men have essentially become "housewives" to these white women it's a shame. A black female friend of mine moved down there & told me about all this, she went on to say that the black guys in Florida are spoiled! Her and her sister haven't dated a black guy since they got there 2 years ago. So expect to see MORE black men not attending college campuses, expect to see MORE black men going to jail and coming out with a Felony conviction with decreases there already low employment opportunities, expect to see MORE black men giving up on themselves turning to drugs crime and white women as their way out. Meanwhile black women will date outside the race more and more each year until it will get to the point where, seeing a black couple together (black man & a black woman) will be RARE!
This post is just horse shyt.
BSmart

Fairhope, AL

#18 Aug 5, 2012
Jina wrote:
if they have lived in the same households as black women--as brothers to black women--how is it possible that black men have not been taught to value education?
More and more black men are going to school with white principals and white female teachers, and they are often treated like 2nd class citizens. I am an African American male who graduated from a Division 1 top 100 Public University, and I honestly feel like it closes more doors than it opens. Only 30% of European Americans are a college degree, and 98% of HR Managers are white. So who do you think a white American is going to hire a black guy with a degree from a top 100 University or an African American who they can put on the factory floor.
There are 139 HBCUs founded by African men after slavery, we do value education, but the education is often poor, we are often told by teachers what we can and cant do, the brighter you are, the more you are punished. I cant tell you the number of black men who have degrees and CANT get a job that pays more than 10 dollars an hour, then you see your white counterparts with no degrees who are working with you at a majority white company where they are more comfortble and can be themselves.
African American young men arent being pushed to HBCUs, I think if more and more young black men were told they could be a college professor, a college football coach and it that those fields the states will pay for you eduation they would go. Misinformation and many African AMerican fathers buying into the hype white americans created that young people are evil.. Its so many factors but more and more young black men should be steered to HBCUs.. I regret going to a mostly white college, there are many african americans who would disagree, but me I dont fit in mainstream white america, and even if I could I wouldnt want to. Im just tired of racism and the games.

“about 2 be a mini me”

Level 6

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#19 Aug 5, 2012
BSmart wrote:
<quoted text>
More and more black men are going to school with white principals and white female teachers, and they are often treated like 2nd class citizens. I am an African American male who graduated from a Division 1 top 100 Public University, and I honestly feel like it closes more doors than it opens. Only 30% of European Americans are a college degree, and 98% of HR Managers are white. So who do you think a white American is going to hire a black guy with a degree from a top 100 University or an African American who they can put on the factory floor.
There are 139 HBCUs founded by African men after slavery, we do value education, but the education is often poor, we are often told by teachers what we can and cant do, the brighter you are, the more you are punished. I cant tell you the number of black men who have degrees and CANT get a job that pays more than 10 dollars an hour, then you see your white counterparts with no degrees who are working with you at a majority white company where they are more comfortble and can be themselves.
African American young men arent being pushed to HBCUs, I think if more and more young black men were told they could be a college professor, a college football coach and it that those fields the states will pay for you eduation they would go. Misinformation and many African AMerican fathers buying into the hype white americans created that young people are evil.. Its so many factors but more and more young black men should be steered to HBCUs.. I regret going to a mostly white college, there are many african americans who would disagree, but me I dont fit in mainstream white america, and even if I could I wouldnt want to. Im just tired of racism and the games.
a lot go on to join the military, some do odd jobs around their neighborhoods and so on. i dont think the AA community values educated men so they dont really focus on steering them towards college imo.. AA men who are like minded should start working together more instead of being on islands, also ignore the foolishness of the AA community. i'd love to see more AA do that
SmartAlec

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Oct 1, 2012
From working with black men, I see that they do have a chip on their shoulder like the other person said. I see white males come in and they are friendly and outgoing, but the new black males that get hired are cocky, overconfident, and think they know everything. I think if they came in with some humility and a friendlier attitude with less of "what can you do for me" attitude, they'd probably get farther. What has happened with the past 5 or 6 black males and one female that got hired was either they didn't want to put forth the initial effort, or felt that the entry-level work (Which all of us had to do) was below them. Most of them would half-ass it, or just end up leaving. The pattern I've been noticing A LOT in forums, and anywhere really is the black men not taking accountability, everything is always someone else's fault for their current daily life. It's excuses like what was typed in the previous posts; "AA community doesn't value education so they don't focus on college" or "they don't make enough money right out of college (that's a fact of life, not a race thing) or they're dating a woman who works two jobs and that's keeping them down. TONS of EXCUSES - we all have hurdles to jump, its VERY EASY to simply give an excuse to not jump those hurdles.- If you are a black man or woman, find a successful black male or female and do everything to ask them to be your mentor so you can have someone to guide you if you are susceptible to making excuses. Oh yeah, drop your hatred and resentment of successful people - learn from them, don't hate them for working hard and don't assume it was all handed to them either, if it was or wasn't, they still had to work hard to finish college.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#21 Oct 1, 2012
Carla wrote:
Kooky, I am stunned by your topic and explanation of the black male college crisis. I suppose it could all be true, black guys always say the white man is keeping him down. The white man isn't keep me as a black woman down, in fact the white man has helped me so much I have been finding them more attractive than black men. I feel bad about that but it is what it is. Women are attracted to men that are about something and black men have given up, possibly white women are the best route for black men to take in this life. Someone has to take good care of them, why not a white woman. They are the nurturing type of women anyway, give them a sad story and they will lay down their life for you and black men are full of sad stories, smh...
They are the nurturing type?.every woman is a.nurturer its in our nature. Now a days women get so worked up about wearing the pants and running shyt they lose track of why they were created in the first place. We are the nurturers! His put us on this earth to be our men's backbones! I think a lot of black women lost that. I mostly see African, Asian, and white women who still play those roles. Who do work but are still nurturing to their men and families! A lot of my fellow black women have lost that. And since we have that advantage over our men in the employmeny environment then we get big headed and forget why we were created in the first place. I'm not saying you work and a man sits on his butt all day. No. I don't agree with that at all because that's not a man's role what I'm saying is you support him nurture him! Help him find a job if he doesnt have one.

BlkSelenaGomez
Level 2

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#22 Oct 1, 2012
Excellent thread.I always push my black men to succeed.
DeexDee

United States

#23 Oct 1, 2012
Or how bout the reason white people period go 2 college just 2 get drunk and party they life away
Klaus666

Toronto, Canada

#24 Oct 1, 2012
All the affirmative action and wishful thinking in the world can't cure n!88$$$ of their borderline retarded iqs. Nuff said!

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