"Maddy" the juror from the Zimmerman ...

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#25 Jul 27, 2013
Categorical Imperative wrote:
This classic Academy Award nominated film starring Henry Fonda tells the tale of a jury of 12 men as they debate whether the defendant in the case is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. "The film is notable for its almost exclusive use of one set: with the exception of two short scenes at the beginning and the end of the film... and two short scenes in an adjoining washroom, the entire movie takes place in the jury room
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/best-jury-tria...
very good movie strong cast the jury being in that hot jury room and raining outside really adds to the drama.

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#26 Jul 28, 2013
Maddy knows she is seen as nothing but black in america, so here her heart is filled with guilt! She should have stuck with her guns, and never caved in! I believe she had a lot of presure on her, but she should have informed herself on the law more. I believe some of the other jurors were not down with the verdict either, but they were pressured too, and some just did not care about a dead black boy either.
Raymundo Edmundo Rumba

Harrisburg, PA

#27 Jul 28, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
Maddy knows she is seen as nothing but black in america,
So you believe that only USA Americans recognize her as black?
Do you take pride in sounding extremely ignorant?

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#28 Jul 28, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
Maddy knows she is seen as nothing but black in america, so here her heart is filled with guilt! She should have stuck with her guns, and never caved in! I believe she had a lot of presure on her, but she should have informed herself on the law more. I believe some of the other jurors were not down with the verdict either, but they were pressured too, and some just did not care about a dead black boy either.
The easiest way to understand what happened is the jury of white women were identifying with Zimmerman as "their own child" and viewing what occurred from that perspective. Their fear of black men may have come into play also. You had a pack mentality. They did not feel empathy for Trayvon's mother. She wasn't one of them. The pack applied pressure to Maddie. Especially when they realized she wasn't an AA. They were concerned she'd hang that jury so like an adult, calmly explaining things to a child (and Maddie not wanting to appear as if she couldn't grasp the finer points,) she caved in.

Now, of course, hindsight is 50/50 and she realizes, like so many others who have been manipulated and bamboozles by whites that she was tricked. What did the other jury say in her interviews concerning Tray, was it "now that boy?" Not even a name to the victim.

Evil, self-centered, self-absorbed, mutated people. Now I understand the genetic study concerning whites and the "think alike" process a lot more. They're genetically too close to the few dozen people they descended from. From that perspective, their mob mentality and pack mentality makes perfect sense.

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#29 Jul 28, 2013
Raymundo Edmundo Rumba wrote:
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So you believe that only USA Americans recognize her as black?
Do you take pride in sounding extremely ignorant?
Do you take pride in sounding extremely ignorant? Truth-be-told identified her as black in a post on this thread. He identified her as black and if you hadn't read she was Puerto Rican, you would have identified her as black and trashed her.

You do realize that nothing any of you say makes sense. You do realize that if the situation was reversed you all would then being applying "the correct logic" and Trayvon would have been convicted of murder. You do realize that when it comes to wrong doing from whites you change the rules, laws, etc., whatever needs changing just as long as you all come out on top or right. You then try to convince others that your two-faced actions were correct.

As for Maddie, she understand the history of her Island and once again, whites come into play and of course, their intent was less than honorable. When the first European set foot on the Island, the Taino Indians thought they were the returning Gods their ancestors spoke of. So what the Europeans came to steal, they gave freely. Their land, gold, food and women. They waited on them hand and foot and literally carried them about on their shoulders. However, one day, one of the Indians dropped one of the Europeans. No worries, they were Gods (of course the Europeans played into their ignorance for their advantage) so they waited for the European to rise. According to ancient history the God would rise within three days. Well, he didn't and it was then that the Indians realized they had been had (as we AAs and Native Americans know about your kind!) They then took out their machetes and loped off the heads of every European they could find.

That's Maddie's history for your ignorant arse!
hey

Penfield, NY

#31 Jul 28, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
Maddy knows she is seen as nothing but black in america, so here her heart is filled with guilt! She should have stuck with her guns, and never caved in! I believe she had a lot of presure on her, but she should have informed herself on the law more. I believe some of the other jurors were not down with the verdict either, but they were pressured too, and some just did not care about a dead black boy either.
I believe all the jurors in this case wanted to bring a verdict of guilty due to sympathy and some being mothers. Just like the case of Casey Anthony, they felt she had done it and out of anger for her and sympathy for that little girl, they wanted to vote guilty also.

But the only reason they all "caved in" is due to the evidence (lack of), the law, and reasonable doubt. That is all the jury should be taking into consideration, not their emotional feelings or opinions.

So are you saying if the jury was all black, would it have taken them 5 minutes in the jury room to reach a verdict of guilty? And would you of had a problem with that?

Or, if the jury was all black and it took them a few days and the verdict was not guilty, would you of had a problem with that?
Raymundo Edmundo Rumba

Harrisburg, PA

#32 Jul 28, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>Do you take pride in sounding extremely ignorant? Truth-be-told identified her as black in a post on this thread. He identified her as black and if you hadn't read she was Puerto Rican, you would have identified her as black and trashed her.
You do realize that nothing any of you say makes sense. You do realize that if the situation was reversed you all would then being applying "the correct logic" and Trayvon would have been convicted of murder. You do realize that when it comes to wrong doing from whites you change the rules, laws, etc., whatever needs changing just as long as you all come out on top or right. You then try to convince others that your two-faced actions were correct.
As for Maddie, she understand the history of her Island and once again, whites come into play and of course, their intent was less than honorable. When the first European set foot on the Island, the Taino Indians thought they were the returning Gods their ancestors spoke of. So what the Europeans came to steal, they gave freely. Their land, gold, food and women. They waited on them hand and foot and literally carried them about on their shoulders. However, one day, one of the Indians dropped one of the Europeans. No worries, they were Gods (of course the Europeans played into their ignorance for their advantage) so they waited for the European to rise. According to ancient history the God would rise within three days. Well, he didn't and it was then that the Indians realized they had been had (as we AAs and Native Americans know about your kind!) They then took out their machetes and loped off the heads of every European they could find.
That's Maddie's history for your ignorant arse!
Basic irrelevant history with a serious inaccuracy you pulled out from where the sun don't shine. Also, none of that racist garbage you presumptuously accuse me of applies to me.

BTW
A black PR is just as genuinely black and in many cases even more black racially than mixed AAs. So your attitude continues to display ignorance based on racist assumptions. You even assume to know me which raises doubt about your mental stability.
Truth Be Told

Hermitage, PA

#33 Jul 28, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>The easiest way to understand what happened is the jury of white women were identifying with Zimmerman as "their own child" and viewing what occurred from that perspective. Their fear of black men may have come into play also. You had a pack mentality. They did not feel empathy for Trayvon's mother. She wasn't one of them. The pack applied pressure to Maddie. Especially when they realized she wasn't an AA. They were concerned she'd hang that jury so like an adult, calmly explaining things to a child (and Maddie not wanting to appear as if she couldn't grasp the finer points,) she caved in.
Now, of course, hindsight is 50/50 and she realizes, like so many others who have been manipulated and bamboozles by whites that she was tricked. What did the other jury say in her interviews concerning Tray, was it "now that boy?" Not even a name to the victim.
Evil, self-centered, self-absorbed, mutated people. Now I understand the genetic study concerning whites and the "think alike" process a lot more. They're genetically too close to the few dozen people they descended from. From that perspective, their mob mentality and pack mentality makes perfect sense.
You mean, like the evil, self centered black jurors who let double murderer OJ Simpson walk out of the courtroom a free man in 1995? Or the evil, self absorbed blacks who were jumping up and down with joy when it happened? Do you blacks EVER get tired of being exposed as hypocrites? LOL!

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#34 Jul 29, 2013
Raymundo Edmundo Rumba wrote:
<quoted text>
Basic irrelevant history with a serious inaccuracy you pulled out from where the sun don't shine. Also, none of that racist garbage you presumptuously accuse me of applies to me.
BTW
A black PR is just as genuinely black and in many cases even more black racially than mixed AAs. So your attitude continues to display ignorance based on racist assumptions. You even assume to know me which raises doubt about your mental stability.
You're an arrogant racist. Pretension too! Puerto Ricans are a combination of three different races. How is it that you think they're closer to the source of African than AAs? Care to provide proof? They're a product of the native Indian, Europeans and African Slaves. Some have more of one mixture than the other two, so wth are you talking about?

Puerto Ricans are not stuck on race as you pigs are. A Puerto Rican is just that, Puerto Rico. They don't have racial classifications! They're as culturally different from AAs as you pigs are from Italians or Greeks from Greece!

Just like you racist pigs attacked Mark Anthony for singing God Bless America and he was born in the Bronx! Also, Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US and you racist idiots didn't even know that! Your kind insulted a young Mexican boy (born here!) as was his father, an Iraqi veteran by calling him racist names.

Keep your racist chit up and keep pissing people off and we'll see who listens to your divisive bs RACIST!

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#35 Jul 29, 2013
Truth Be Told wrote:
<quoted text>You mean, like the evil, self centered black jurors who let double murderer OJ Simpson walk out of the courtroom a free man in 1995? Or the evil, self absorbed blacks who were jumping up and down with joy when it happened? Do you blacks EVER get tired of being exposed as hypocrites? LOL!
BS! How many murders have whites gotten away with of blacks? Not only did they celebrate, they used to make it a festive affair and not only wasn't there any trials, or anyone arrested, they had picnics with their children and pics taken! Call it Karma! You all can't stand anyone else get away with what you all have gotten away with for centuries!

Didn't an all white jury free the cops that beat the chit out of Rodney King? Did you have a problem with that? Of course not, he was resisting arrest, right? Case closed, so shut your hypocritical mouth!

Robert Blake got away with murdering his wife, do you have a problem with that? Of course not!

RACIST HYPOCRITE!

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#36 Jul 29, 2013
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
<quoted text>so u think they perceived Traytray's mutha Sabrina as looking like a female gorilla?.....
......but how can u assume that white people have no sympathy for female gorillas?.........
you are a complete dumbass no wonder you have rubber dolls in your apartment no other human being would get within a mile of your brain-dead azz.there's all kinds of misfits and weirdos in the world and you're one of them.
Truth Be Told

Louisville, KY

#37 Jul 30, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>BS! How many murders have whites gotten away with of blacks? Not only did they celebrate, they used to make it a festive affair and not only wasn't there any trials, or anyone arrested, they had picnics with their children and pics taken! Call it Karma! You all can't stand anyone else get away with what you all have gotten away with for centuries!
Didn't an all white jury free the cops that beat the chit out of Rodney King? Did you have a problem with that? Of course not, he was resisting arrest, right? Case closed, so shut your hypocritical mouth!
Robert Blake got away with murdering his wife, do you have a problem with that? Of course not!
RACIST HYPOCRITE!
LOL! Guess where OJ is now? That's what I call KARMA.
Edmundo Raymundo Profundo

Harrisburg, PA

#38 Jul 30, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>You're an arrogant racist. Pretension too! Puerto Ricans are a combination of three different races. How is it that you think they're closer to the source of African than AAs? Care to provide proof? They're a product of the native Indian, Europeans and African Slaves. Some have more of one mixture than the other two, so wth are you talking about?
Puerto Ricans are not stuck on race as you pigs are. A Puerto Rican is just that, Puerto Rico. They don't have racial classifications! They're as culturally different from AAs as you pigs are from Italians or Greeks from Greece!
Just like you racist pigs attacked Mark Anthony for singing God Bless America and he was born in the Bronx! Also, Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US and you racist idiots didn't even know that! Your kind insulted a young Mexican boy (born here!) as was his father, an Iraqi veteran by calling him racist names.
Keep your racist chit up and keep pissing people off and we'll see who listens to your divisive bs RACIST!
I never claimed that 100% are closer genetically to black Africans than 100% of AAs are.As for racist, I find your refusal to accept that there are unmixed PR blacks or unmixed persons of any other race who are Puerto Rican extremely racist. I also find your assumption that you know me a sign of distorted thinking.

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#39 Jul 30, 2013
Truth Be Told wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! Guess where OJ is now? That's what I call KARMA.
Ignorant, pwt, what makes you think we care about that old uncle Tom? He was judged by a jury of his peers (whites) and he got what he deserved, lol.

I can't stand OJ and most blacks can't either. That's how clueless you dumb plucks are!

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#40 Jul 30, 2013
Edmundo Raymundo Profundo wrote:
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I never claimed that 100% are closer genetically to black Africans than 100% of AAs are.As for racist, I find your refusal to accept that there are unmixed PR blacks or unmixed persons of any other race who are Puerto Rican extremely racist. I also find your assumption that you know me a sign of distorted thinking.
You're posting gibberish. It's obvious that that juror was not fully black! She doesn't look anything like American Blacks and I should no as my husband is Hispanic of Puerto Rican origin. Don't tell me! She could pass for Dominican too! Their features are different. So your argument, concerning her, falls flat. No, not all Puerto Ricans are mixed but 90% of them are and you can't tell just by looking at them either just as you can't tell by American blacks or whites for that matter! Only a dna test can truly tell you what types of mixtures people have, not skin color. So if that's your basis for judgement, what does that make you? Also, as I said before, we do not share the same culture nor mindset. They are different from American Blacks, the same as Africans, Jamaicans and other Island races mixed with African blood.

I assume nothing except what you've posted and what you've posted suggests a racist mindset. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you express your intent better. However, I sincerely doubt that I got it wrong or the wrong impression of you.

As for your continued insult of my mental state, one wonders about yours as you're so intent on posting to someone you consider mentally unstable. What's that say about your mental state, huh?

Racist, pompous, sanctimonious jerk!

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#42 Jul 30, 2013
hey wrote:
It sounds like many people have not been on a jury before. Normally the first thing you do is take a vote on guilty or not guilty. Then you discuss. As you discuss people change their minds because they miss things, forget things, etc. Then you vote again. Then you discuss. It's not manipulation, it's how you reach a verdict.
The case I was on, I left the trial feeling in my gut that the guy was guilty. But remembering what the judge said, I left all my emotions and feelings at the door.
The foreman said which charge do we want to vote on. And I said, wait a minute, we need to decide if he is guilty or not. And he said, doesn't everyone think he is? I was the only one that said no because no evidence at the trial proved he was guilty. But the other jurors were using their gut instincts. In two days we talked and talked and left with the not guilty verdict. So one person can make a difference.
I find it disturbing that many blacks would of voted guilty just because Martin is black and equally disturbing is people calling the jurors racist because they made the correct verdict according to the evidence. To be honest, I'm shocked.
Many people are shocked including many whites outside Amerikkka and your white Kluxer friends. We are shocked by the gross scandal of the acquittal of a blatant murderer, a killer who was recorded on tapes telling he was out to get one young Black man.
Indeed he got one a 17yo "armed" with skittles. "self defence" what a mockery of the basic notion of justice.

Florida is still living before 1964 : Jim Crow "justice" for Black people.

Oh yes believe me the world is shocked by whitey Amerikkka and its impotent "Black" president.
Shocked this is a good word indeed.

Besides whitey redneck juror B37 is much more interesting than this poor lost Puerto Rican woman : juror B37 explained that Trayvon was guilty of his own death because you do not resist a ... white man.
Like I said Florida lives in Jim Crow era.
More than shocking, revolting, disgusting.

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#43 Jul 30, 2013
The Man wrote:
I hate think of what sunobia the section 8 ape looks like as she spews her bitterness. As another put it, nappy two inch hair, nosetrils like bowling ball holes and lips like luggage handles! Eewww!
I hate to think of where you live, what your poor wife has to put up married to a pig like you and that your children have such a limp dk coward for a father.

The best part of you is still on the sheets and dripping down your daddy's legs.
Mundo Edmundo Professando

Harrisburg, PA

#44 Jul 30, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>You're posting gibberish. It's obvious that that juror was not fully black! She doesn't look anything like American Blacks and I should no as my husband is Hispanic of Puerto Rican origin. Don't tell me! She could pass for Dominican too! Their features are different. So your argument, concerning her, falls flat. No, not all Puerto Ricans are mixed but 90% of them are and you can't tell just by looking at them either just as you can't tell by American blacks or whites for that matter! Only a dna test can truly tell you what types of mixtures people have, not skin color. So if that's your basis for judgement, what does that make you? Also, as I said before, we do not share the same culture nor mindset. They are different from American Blacks, the same as Africans, Jamaicans and other Island races mixed with African blood.
I assume nothing except what you've posted and what you've posted suggests a racist mindset. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you express your intent better. However, I sincerely doubt that I got it wrong or the wrong impression of you.
As for your continued insult of my mental state, one wonders about yours as you're so intent on posting to someone you consider mentally unstable. What's that say about your mental state, huh?
Racist, pompous, sanctimonious jerk!
She may not be an AA but she definitely meets the physical requirements for Afro Latina. In fact, anywhere in Latin America she goes she will be viewed as an Afro or black Latina.

I find it racist that you calmly accept mixed AAs as black but become furiously hysterical when someone suggests that a PR is black and use "She is mixed." excuse to disqualify her.

BTW

Our Indians used traditional Taino weapons in that initial uprising against the Spaniards and not Machetes as you ignorantly proclaimed.

As for the GZ TM case I haven't said a single thing pro or co about it. So all your hysterical clucking must be based on figment of your feverish female imagination. Calm down and maybe your brain will fire on all cylinders.

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#45 Jul 30, 2013
Mundo Edmundo Professando wrote:
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She may not be an AA but she definitely meets the physical requirements for Afro Latina. In fact, anywhere in Latin America she goes she will be viewed as an Afro or black Latina.
I find it racist that you calmly accept mixed AAs as black but become furiously hysterical when someone suggests that a PR is black and use "She is mixed." excuse to disqualify her.
BTW
Our Indians used traditional Taino weapons in that initial uprising against the Spaniards and not Machetes as you ignorantly proclaimed.
As for the GZ TM case I haven't said a single thing pro or co about it. So all your hysterical clucking must be based on figment of your feverish female imagination. Calm down and maybe your brain will fire on all cylinders.
I thought my historical account was rubbish? Now you want to quibble about what types of weapons were used? Oh, so you looked it up? Should do that more often before arrogantly dismissing something, don't you think?

DNA will definitely prove SHE'S MIXED, you're the one who's insistent that she be identified as black, or afro latina or black latina, lol. I assure you some of them don't take too kindly to the label you're attempting to place on them, which proves what about you, again? She'd be viewed by whom, as you claim? Would they be whites, who love to classify and box people into racial boxes?

My brain is working fine. You're the one doing a shuffle attempting to prove, God only knows what. As for the Zimmerman case, it's obvious which side of the fence you're on.

Calm down? I am on an opinion forum, expressing my opinions. It's you who seems to be determined to prove something, what it is, only you know.

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#46 Jul 30, 2013
Mundo Edmundo Professando wrote:
<quoted text>
She may not be an AA but she definitely meets the physical requirements for Afro Latina. In fact, anywhere in Latin America she goes she will be viewed as an Afro or black Latina.
I find it racist that you calmly accept mixed AAs as black but become furiously hysterical when someone suggests that a PR is black and use "She is mixed." excuse to disqualify her.
BTW
Our Indians used traditional Taino weapons in that initial uprising against the Spaniards and not Machetes as you ignorantly proclaimed.
As for the GZ TM case I haven't said a single thing pro or co about it. So all your hysterical clucking must be based on figment of your feverish female imagination. Calm down and maybe your brain will fire on all cylinders.
Racist because I accept mixed AAs as fully black? LOL! Prior to the election of President Obama, that's exactly what American Blacks were considered, FULLY BLACK! Even if their appearance was lily white. All they had to have was the 1 drop rule of African blood and that was the race, LEGALLY assigned to them! So, how does that make me racist if I didn't create the law? Care to explain? How exactly is President Obama treated and viewed in this country by racists despite the fact he's mixed, hmmm? Who did he himself say he identified with and was treated like in his two books?

Don't play games with me, you're obviously clueless about race in this country. Perhaps you should study race or race relations in this country before commenting, oh, and Puerto Rico and the other islands too wherever the white man set foot and then set about dividing people by race to cause division and trouble. Just like they divided the tribes of slaves so they couldn't join together and formulate plans of escape or disobedience.

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