** STUDY: BW LEASTattractive to WM!!!...
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#957 Jun 26, 2013
Unholy Agathon wrote:
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Aren't you a single baby mama by a non-black man.
Ummm...what does this have to do with my post? And single baby mama? Not.

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#958 Jun 26, 2013
London wrote:
<quoted text>… You are very uplifting Shalimarr :)
Yeah that's why her slave descendant husband left her :)

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#959 Jun 26, 2013
London wrote:
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I'm actually following the context of Shalimars use of it for the most part. For women a man is only strong and therefore useful based on what hes doing and willing to do for her. What hes willing to do for her, hes going to therefore have the will to do for her kids since men generally bond with their kids through the mom.
So my point is its going to depend on why we are calling someone weak...is he naturally like that or is he simply like that because he feels no instincts for who hes with?? And in terms of IR my point is either reason is good enough to not máke any attempts to keep these guys where they don't want to be or incapable of being.
And no I don't consider simple attraction weakness...weakness in its simplest term is not being able to meet life's challenges on a mental, physical nor emotional level in order to satisfy the needs of you and your group.
Majority of black American men are working and meeting life's challenges.

Again, define "weak" on an individual basis so we can see who it really applies to.
Unholy Agathon

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#960 Jun 26, 2013
London wrote:
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Ummm...what does this have to do with my post? And single baby mama? Not.
You said IR gives bw cover and protection when your non-black man made you a single baby mama.
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London

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#962 Jun 26, 2013
MumRa wrote:
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I disagree.
But women do need to stop being so male identified. It's a waste of time.
I actually think women can separate from men without any real problems. Its quite liberating. Its society which pushes women to put men above anything else in life.

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#963 Jun 26, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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I already know IRWW, They have either had terrible fathers, dated lots of violent or alcocholic white men or started going with BM at aged 14.
I don't know any WW who didn't fall into dating BM,rather than having it as an active choice, it usually just happens after being hurt by white father/boyfriend and as these women are white with the most options, they can date "down" and take a man from the black race.
If Caribbean men in the UK care about our presence here and think the descendents of the slaves who helped to build this nation should have a place here, and not just Africans who contributed NOTHING, why would these BM sacrifice our race,just so they can be white women's second chance? They clearly don't care.
Just like your group has 70%unwed BW and you marry out and fill already in demand white women's marriage requirements at 24%.
The survey is probably absolutely right.
Because of racism and the white standard of beauty for WOMEN, black women are way down on men's dating choices. Unless we're Megan Good, we have are harder struggle in the dating game compared to our competitors. Racism is complex and it's effects are not uniform for the male and female, though we are only separated by one chromosone. Just as BM suffer more prejudice in the judicial system and job market than BW do, BW suffer more racism in the dating game. In the job market BW are regarded by whites as reliable, strong, hardworking, while BM are regarded as lazy,untrustworthy, not worth the hassle.
In the dating/sex the racist stereotypes work for BM (superficially I suspect because I see many miserable IRBM) and against BW.
BM = sexy, masculine, mandingo, exciting, trophy/sexobject.
BW= Masculine, over sexed, hookahs, angry,argumentative, UGLY, FAT,LOUD,LOW CLASS, has the least trophy status attached.
Black people all have options but the black male has less of a struggle and has less racist stigma attached to him in the dating game.
The problem slave descent women have with their men is twofold.
They see other races/groups (including other black groups) of men having a very defined and obvious soft spot in their hearts/preference for women from their own race/group. These other women can rely on that, almost as a fall back plan. The slave descent woman expected to also receive this unspoken but understood preference from men from her group. This preference is EXTRA crucial in her dating because of racism and her being "least desired". But she discovers that her race/group of slave descent men are happy to enjoy the bounty of their situation and they have no preference for her. Unlike all the other groups of men, slave descent men view outside women universally as just as desirable as their own and a percentage of these men buy into racism and see black women as least desired. The slave descent woman has no extra kudos added to her by being the same race/group as his mother. She watched woman who have a far easier journey through the dating game and who are in fact celebrated walking off with BM as not even her first choice but as her second chance... while 70% BW stay unmarried. The Bm says to the BW, lose weight, get to the gym, lose the attitude then you can compete. But the BW is screaming at him, I'm a victim of racism you MOFO! I marched for you and visited you in jail and mourned for you when you were a victim of racism ! Now you are telling me you have no more connection to me than you do to the slave master's daughter, and her and I can compete equally for you even though you know she will always get a husband while 70% of us don't get married.
The only thing you know about IRWW is that they are getting the dck that you want. That's it. That's all you know about them.
London

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#964 Jun 26, 2013
MrAnderson9 wrote:
<quoted text>Majority of black American men are working and meeting life's challenges.
Again, define "weak" on an individual basis so we can see who it really applies to.
Why are you making this about black American men? Are they the only ones who can be weak?
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#966 Jun 26, 2013
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^^^^ My Masterpiece :)^^^^^^^
Lol.
What you write about white women is also what I see. But I do think there is an undergroup. Where they come from non-racistic homes, maybe the parents have travelled a lot and don't have a problem who thier children marry. Thier children are not exclusivly IR daters. It could be a white, a black a brown. It's about values. What I've seen in the UK I fail to see the values that the IR women have. They are very agressive chasing black men. Sometimes they don't even care if it's another womans man. I've seen other white European men saying : No thank you to that behavior. And Indian men find it totally not ok. Women are not popular when they are so easy.

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#967 Jun 26, 2013
London wrote:
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Why are you making this about black American men? Are they the only ones who can be weak?
I don't care who we make it about. I'm just asking for a definition of "weak".

You ladies are throwing the word around all over the place, and it's a pretty powerful word so I'm just trying to figure out what is the individual criteria you hold a man to that determines whether or not he is weak.

So far the only thing you all have produced is "finding white women attractive".

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#968 Jun 26, 2013
London wrote:
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I actually think women can separate from men without any real problems. Its quite liberating. Its society which pushes women to put men above anything else in life.
Well Shalimar ranting about being left by black men. Seeking white men. Looking for love from X man...etc.

If you listen to some women. Getting a man is her whole existence. It's ridiculous and a waste of time.
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#969 Jun 26, 2013
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#970 Jun 26, 2013
Unholy Agathon wrote:
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You said IR gives bw cover and protection when your non-black man made you a single baby mama.
No gender was mentioned in my post regarding IR protection ...but if you are wanting gender equality in terms of what it means to be weak and the impact you wont get it from me. There is a such thing as weak and there is a such thing as strong. Weak is a term reserved for males...not because women cant also be weak but because the impact of a weak male within a group are totally different from the impact of a weak woman. Its not the same and that's what we are discussing ... and why you are interrupting this public forum discussion with attacks is for your own analysis.
Loulou

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#971 Jun 26, 2013
A weak man is someone who has no or little values. And give into every little desire he might have, instead of taking responsability. Who has very little respect for women: he always thinks what he can get instead of thinking what he can offer. Usually he has sleept with the whole town.

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#972 Jun 26, 2013
MumRa wrote:
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Well Shalimar ranting about being left by black men. Seeking white men. Looking for love from X man...etc.
If you listen to some women. Getting a man is her whole existence. It's ridiculous and a waste of time.
Most definitely true. Great Post.

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TUGNK0HEIVUUH...

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TFP5FPEKCB53P...
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#973 Jun 26, 2013
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#974 Jun 26, 2013
MrAnderson9 wrote:
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I don't care who we make it about. I'm just asking for a definition of "weak".
You ladies are throwing the word around all over the place, and it's a pretty powerful word so I'm just trying to figure out what is the individual criteria you hold a man to that determines whether or not he is weak.
So far the only thing you all have produced is "finding white women attractive".
Do you have proof of me speaking about ww? We are speaking about weakness...why are you guys interrupting with accusations? If I think some men are simply born weak...regardless of preference ...that is my right. I simply don't like weak males. My response to her was that sometime I think someone can be deemed weak because he doesn't feel anything for who hes with...or he could truly be born like that. This was in response to her post where she seemed to suggest we (as in the Bc or bw..not sure which one) should do more to protect our weak.

I was simply disagreeing and saying the weak shouldnt be protected and regardless of why they are weak they will not be useful their group.

Why do you cringe and throw your arms up when we talk about weak? Surely you know it does exist.

“Helping you ”

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#975 Jun 26, 2013
Loulou wrote:
A weak man is someone who has no or little values. And give into every little desire he might have, instead of taking responsability. Who has very little respect for women: he always thinks what he can get instead of thinking what he can offer. Usually he has sleept with the whole town.
So what do you consider a "weak" woman?
Unholy Agathon

Pine Lake, GA

#976 Jun 26, 2013
London wrote:
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No gender was mentioned in my post regarding IR protection ...
You said "I think IR for some gives them the cover and protection they need to survive. Cover and protection they will not get with their own group...especially bw". "especially bw". You did mention a gender, women of the black race.
London wrote:
<quoted text>but if you are wanting gender equality in terms of what it means to be weak and the impact you wont get it from me. There is a such thing as weak and there is a such thing as strong. Weak is a term reserved for males...not because women cant also be weak but because the impact of a weak male within a group are totally different from the impact of a weak woman.
Idk what you're talking about or why you're saying it.
London wrote:
<quoted text>Its not the same and that's what we are discussing ... and why you are interrupting this public forum discussion with attacks is for your own analysis.
I'm not making attacks I'm just saying it's kind of weird for you to say IR gives black women protection when you're a single baby mama from an IR union.

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