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Oct 23, 2013
 
Ish Tov ----

You said "In the 1960's there was the black civil rights movement, a century after emancipation blacks finally able to organize and maintain resistance to Jim Crow".----

You are correct.

You said "AND as many whites were becoming sympathetic to the black struggle".----

Somewhat true. Primarily not true.

In regards to "somewhat true".----

There were some Whites which didn't agree with the most vociferous aspects of the Jim Crow laws.

But, these Whites still didn't consider African Americans to be equal.

These Whites were still in full support of the United States racial caste system.

These Whites were still in full support of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Ish Tov -----

You said "along comes the Vietnam War drafting white youth to fight in a SE Asian jungle for ill-defined goals".----

True.

Granted, many Americans were killed & wounded throughout the duration of the Vietnam War. But, when the Vietnam War officially ended in 1975. The left wing communist forces in South Vietnam (Viet Cong & North Vietnamese army regulars), in Laos (Pathet Lao) & in Cambodia (Khmer Rouge).--- Caused the deaths of at least 4 million people in South Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia.

So, it could be stated that the United States fighting the Vietnam War.---- Was for a just & noble cause.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Ish Tov ----

You said "Now? It's all diffuse, vague, confused".----

True.

But, from 1954 till 1964.---- The United States political left wing fighting against discrimination in housing & in job hiring. Fighting for getting laws enacted which dealt with the discriminatory practices in not being able to eat at segregated lunch counters, restaurants & in hotels.----

These were causes which were very visually identifiable. These goals & objectives were very visually discernable.

From 1964 till now.----

The United States far left wings "causes" have dealt with goals & objectives of wealth redistribution.

Wealth redistribution will benefit many Americans. But, wealth redistribution would also work to the detriment of many, many other Americans.

This is why that the political left wing hasn't succeeded in any of their "movements" from 1964 till now.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Ish Tov ----

You said "and corporate control of the media is far more tight now".----

True.

You said "so that their brainwashing is more powerful than any "liberal" messages which might appear".----

The messages which the United States corporate media puts out, it isn't resonating with the American public.

I state this, because of these 4 facets.----

1. 1992.----- When Democrat Bill Clinton was elected president.

2. 1996.----- When Democrat Bill Clinton was re-elected president.

3. 2008.----- When Democrat Barack Obama was elected president.

4. 2012.----- When Democrat Barack Obama was re-elected president.

If the United States corporate media was so very dominant with their "brainwashing" Americans.---- There is absolutely no way that Democrats would have won the presidential elections in 1992, 1996, 2008 or 2012.

Americans who vote for Democrat or Republican.----Do vote their interests.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Savant ----

You said "The rightward political shift of much of the political elite".----

Correct.

You said "doesn't alter the fact that capitalism is coming apart at the seams".----

Capitalism isn't at all.

Examples which show this.----

1. Many black African nations are embracing capitalism. Primarily these.----

Nigeria, Liberia, Cameroon, Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire Zambia, Eritrea, Somalia Ethiopia & Kenya.

2. Asian nations are embracing capitalism. Especially these respective Asian nations.----

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Burma & China.

3. The United States.-----

The United States has experienced economic troubles from September, 2008 till now. During this same time, many, many Americans turned TREMENDOUS profits.

Has the United States federal government ever been in any danger of being overthrown?----- Nope.

Not even close.

The United States System is here to stay.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Savant ----

You said "Liberal elites often make concessions in order to save capitalism".----

No.

Liberal elites make concessions, because they support capitalism. Liberal elites make concessions, because they support the American System.

You said "and right wing elites may go inform more REPRESSION and backward policies attacks on people of color or women".----

One cannot lump White women with people of color.

This is why.---- Since White womens skin color is White, they are within the realm of the social construct of "Whiteness".

One cannot lump people of color in the same boat.

Because several respective "minority" groups are favored. Over another "minority" group.

In the United States, Hispanics are becoming the new Whites.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.----

Are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Savant ----

You said "insurgent labor".---- The February, 2011 labor protests were not "insurgent".

Granted, these labor protests were politically left of center. But, these union leaders & union members were still supportive of capitalism.

These union leaders & union members were still supportive of the American System.

You said "Occupy".----

The Occupy Wall Street protests started in mid September, 2011. They totally died out by mid November, 2011.

You said "Rosa Luxemburg was right. Either a cooperative society or barbarism".-----

Rosa did state that. When she stated that, it was in reference to the very poor in Germany back in 1918.

She wasn't refering to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Germany of 1918 was totally different. Compared to the United States of 2013.

Rosa has been dead for 93 years.

So what, what Rosa Luxemburg stated.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Savant ----

You said "And as racism and capitalism are inextricable intertwined (at least in America)".---
Yep. Big time.

You said "though probably not just here".----

It isn't just in the United States.

You said "The defeat of racism and the defeat of capitalism are mutually dependent".----

This could be.

But (With all due respect), this won't be happening.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Forward toward a cooperative society--nonracist even if culturally multiracial or multi-ethnic.
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Well, from 1964 till mid November, 2011.---- There have been several dozen attempts by the United States far left wing to form "movements". For radical left wing revolutionary change.

What has happened each & every time?---- The far left wing movement was formed. Did some protests for a very little while. It dissipated.

It dissipated, because of these factors.----

Each & every one of these far left wing movements were comprised of several different racial groups. Each & every respective racial group had their own "cause". Their own goals, objectives & interests. Most of all, their own interests.

Once just one of the factions of the far left wing movement left the alliance.---- The "movement" dissipated.

The "movement" failed.
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Oct 23, 2013
 
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<quoted text>But we may be nearing what Angela y. Davis calls an "historical moment" when it is possible to move mountains again.
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Well, in years to come, there will be protests by the far left wing. For radical left wing revolutionary change.

These protests will meet the exact, same fate as what befell all of the other far left wing protests for radical revolutionary change from 1964 till mid November, 2011.----

They will have protest marches or sitins for awhile. Then, 1 of the factions (Or, a couple, or a few) will leave the far left wing alliance.----- The "movement" for far left wing revolutionary change will go by the wayside.

In the United States race CANNOT be transcended.

This nation has group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.

Each & every one of the United States respective racial groups has their own goals, objectives & interests. Most of all, their own interests.

In this nation, Hispanics are becoming the new Whites.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.

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Oct 24, 2013
 
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Ish Tov -----
You said "along comes the Vietnam War drafting white youth to fight in a SE Asian jungle for ill-defined goals".----
True.
Granted, many Americans were killed & wounded throughout the duration of the Vietnam War. But, when the Vietnam War officially ended in 1975. The left wing communist forces in South Vietnam (Viet Cong & North Vietnamese army regulars), in Laos (Pathet Lao) & in Cambodia (Khmer Rouge).--- Caused the deaths of at least 4 million people in South Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia.
So, it could be stated that the United States fighting the Vietnam War.---- Was for a just & noble cause.
No, it was not a just cause. All that mayhem was the result of the war caused by USA intervention.

And the Khmer Rouge were part of no leftist alliance. It was, you will recall, the vietnamese which dislodged them from Pnom Penh.

If the USA had stayed out as the French had wisely advised, Vietnam would have been unified by 1962 and all that bloodshed would have been avoided. As it is now, Vietnam is peaceful, Cambodia is a bit corrupt but attempting to develop... I confess not to know what is going on in Laos currently.

Keep in mind that the USA killed 2-3 million Vietnamese in that war, and an unspecified number of Cambodians.

USA involvement in that war was a disaster in all respects.

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Well, in years to come, there will be protests by the far left wing. For radical left wing revolutionary change.
These protests will meet the exact, same fate as what befell all of the other far left wing protests for radical revolutionary change from 1964 till mid November, 2011.----
They will have protest marches or sitins for awhile. Then, 1 of the factions (Or, a couple, or a few) will leave the far left wing alliance.----- The "movement" for far left wing revolutionary change will go by the wayside.
In the United States race CANNOT be transcended.
This nation has group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.
Each & every one of the United States respective racial groups has their own goals, objectives & interests. Most of all, their own interests.
In this nation, Hispanics are becoming the new Whites.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.
“Race” is confusing in the USA. I think what can't be transcended is the black-white divide. I mean, look how quickly Yanks approach a 3rd group (Japanese, Mexicans, Indians, whatever) by trying to make them either black or white.

Mexicans? Doesn't compute... so let's figure a way to call them “white”. Then we can comprehend them.

USA created a festering oozy bloody wound in its psyche with its history of slavery and Jim Crow. This has made both whites and blacks significantly NUTS, I think. This is what needs to be transcended, this notion of polar opposites, of a contradiction between “black” and “white”, which is entirely a cultural creation.

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"USA created a festering oozy bloody wound in its psyche with its history of slavery and Jim Crow."
Hmmm.. speaking of "festering" ..why don't you lance that huge boil of zionist pus on your nasty azz..huh?
If you do..Make sure to drench in clorox and disenfectant ..so as not to stink up the forum
thanx
You're nothing but a festering anachronism, boy.

First, look up “Nürnberg trials”.

Then, look at the rallies held in the USA by white supremacists, such as the KKK:

15 kluxers
50 cops
2000 protesters

LOL!!!

In fact, you're not even festering, boy! Your Nazi ilk is the dried-up crumbling scab of an old wound.
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Oct 25, 2013
 
FlowFighter wrote:
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"In the United States race CANNOT be transcended."
"Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States."
Your 'axioms' are obviously inconsistent.
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Oh, quite the contrary.

Hispanics are VERY much being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Here is just one such example which shows this.----

1. For the 2010 United States federal government census.----

The 2010 census asked Hispanics what "race" they are. Clearly, the vast majority of Hispanics listed their race as being White.

For the 2000 census, the United States White population was listed at 63%.

For the 2010 census, since this census asked Hispanics what race they are. Since the vast majority of Hispanics listed their race as being White.----

This boosted White-Americans population up to 72%.

This is just one, among many, many of the public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in place.

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Oct 25, 2013
 
FlowFighter wrote:
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"In the United States race CANNOT be transcended."
"Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States."
Your 'axioms' are obviously inconsistent.
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Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are very much being given "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Why do you think that blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have VERY much been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification?

DIFFERENT from African Americans?

This is just one, among many facets.---- As to how blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.

In my next posts, I'll list a timeline. Which shows all of the many, many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in place.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Primarily to fracture & fragment the African American community.
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Oct 25, 2013
 
FlowFighter -----

Here is a list of the timeline. Of the many, many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in place.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves.

Primarily to fracture & fragment the African American community.----

1. 1990.---

This was the first year that the United States federal government had on the census on "open box".

For these respective groups in the United States.----

Americans who came from an African American parent & a White parent.

Americans who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

For them to write in the "open box" a racial classification. DIFFERENT from African American.

2. 1990 till now.----

Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent have very much been encouraged to NOT identify as African American.

Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent have very much been encouraged to form organizations which represent multiracial / mixed people.

They did.

Here is a list of many, many of these organizations.

http://www.mixedfolks.com/links.htm .

http://mixedheritagecenter.org/index.php... .

http://www.mavinfoundation.org/new/ .
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Oct 25, 2013
 
FlowFighter -----

Other examples. Of the many, many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in place.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).-----

3. 1990 till 2000.----

Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent were very much encouraged to NOT identify as African American. To lobby the federal government for SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African American.

4. 2000.----

This was the first year that the federal government officially got rid of the "one drop rule" in regards to "race".

Put on the 2000 census, the "2 or more races" (Multiracial / mixed) category.

5. 2000 till now.-----

Most Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent have been classifying as "2 or more races" (Multiracial / mixed).

This is fracturing & fragmenting the African American community.

6. 2000 till now.----

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have very much been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification.

DIFFERENT from African American.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time, they will.

Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American community even more.
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Oct 25, 2013
 
FlowFighter -----

Several last examples of public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in place.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).----

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States.

AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here is a link which shows a very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced.

AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Examples which show this.----

1. Many of the United States businesses are phasing out their African American (Descendants of black American slaves) employees. For laborers who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone & French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations.

2. Many (If not most) of the United States Universities are accepting & admitting blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves.

This is especially happening at the United States Ivy League Universities.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also viewed as being a buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.
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Oct 25, 2013
 
Ish Tov ----

I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to a few of your previous posts which you addressed to me. Hopefully, I should have some time by Wednesday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

In the meantime, later.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Oct 27, 2013
 
Johnny wrote:
Savant ----
You said "Liberal elites often make concessions in order to save capitalism".----
No.
Liberal elites make concessions, because they support capitalism. Liberal elites make concessions, because they support the American System.
You said "and right wing elites may go inform more REPRESSION and backward policies attacks on people of color or women".----
One cannot lump White women with people of color.
This is why.---- Since White womens skin color is White, they are within the realm of the social construct of "Whiteness".
One cannot lump people of color in the same boat.
Because several respective "minority" groups are favored. Over another "minority" group.
In the United States, Hispanics are becoming the new Whites.
Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.----
Are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Greeting all. I will soon be flying back to Bmore from Purdue University. Have been attending a conference PHILOSOPHY BORN OF STRUGGLE, where I gave a talk on Dr. King yesterday. Great gathering. Interestingly enough, there was a panel on REVOLUTIONARY FILMS, but I wasn't able to be there due to time conflict with another panel I was on.
Been hanging out with Cornel West, Lucious Outlaw, Leonard Harris and others. Too bad Angela Davis, who was scheduled, was unable to make it.
At any rate, I will rejoin this discussion at some point after I return to Bmore.

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