Black REVOLUTIONARY Films
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#1260 Dec 7, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>As long as there are monopolies of western banking and business. African old men, women and children will starve.
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One CANNOT fault Western banking or business interests.

There is no nation in the world which is identical to another nation.

Examples which show this. For African nations.-----

The African nations which used to be in the former left wing Casablanca Bloc.---- Ghana, Algeria, Guinea, Morocco, Egypt, Mali & Libya.

The African nations which are in the Monrovian Bloc.---- Senegal, Nigeria, Liberia, Ethiopia, Cote d'Ivoire & Kenya.

The black African nations which are in the Monrovian Bloc.---- Are more advanced. Compared to the black African nations which used to be in the former left wing Casablanca Bloc.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#1261 Dec 7, 2013
Abdurratln ----

As to why one CANNOT blame Western banking or business interests. Other examples. Which shows that black Sub-Saharan African nations are on different levels of advancement. Here are several other examples.----

1. The black African nations which are within the West African OCAM alliance are more advanced.

Compared to the black African nations which used to be within the former left wing Casablanca Bloc.

2. The black African nations which are within the West African ECOWAS alliance are more advanced.

Compared to the black African nations which used to be within the former left wing Casablanca Bloc.

3. The black African nations which are within the West African ECWA alliance are more advanced.

Compared to the black African nations which used to be within the former left wing Casablanca Bloc.

4. Early, 2011.----

When Libyas former left wing dictator, Muammar al-Gadaffi proposed & pushed for Africa into becoming one nation. With one military, one police force & a single currency. Under Gadaffis rule.

Almost the entire continent of Africa was against Gadaffis proposal.

Because African becoming one nation.---- This would work to the benefit of many black African nations. But, this would work to the detriment of many, many other black African nations.

This is why the leaders of South Africa, Kenya & Nigeria were the most vocal in opposing Gadaffis proposal.

South African leader Jacob Zuma was one of the most vociferous in opposing Gadaffis proposal.

So, for African nations being on different levels.----

One CANNOT blame Western banking or business interests.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#1262 Dec 7, 2013
Abdurratln -----

You said "the first constitutional government known to history was an Islamic one Muhammad's Caliphate in Medina".-----

No, it wasn't.

The first constitutional government known to history originated in the land which comprises of the present day nation of Poland.

You said "But no matter how you look at it, European constitutions are mere copies of that first example. They are like imitations of the original of the real".----

Not at all.

All of the constitutions of the European nations were conceived, crafted, passed & implemented.--- Were not at all connected to any of the constitutions which originated in any Middle Eastern nation.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#1263 Dec 7, 2013
Savant, Ish Tov & Stag_R_Lee -----

I still have to respond back to several of your previous posts which you addressed to me. Hopefully, I should have some time by Thursday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

In the meantime, later.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1264 Dec 9, 2013
Johnny wrote:
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It has not happened. It won't be happening.
Left wing writers (Primarily the left wing orthodox marxists & left wing cultural marxists), what they state.---- Is very idealistic.
But, it isn't realistic.
Again, it hasn't happened. It won't be happening.
One ought never to assume that what has not been cannot be. Or even that what has been cannot be again.
Even the ideas of the Declaration of Independence were once seen as radical, idealistic and unrealizable.
Thinkers who believe men can live without kings were thought mad. Yet their "madness" prove to be more rational than the "realistic" voices of the Establishment.
Hence, I might say that it is reasonable to believe that what certain left visionaries espoused HAS NOT happened--which is obvious. I don't think it reasonable to ASSUME that it CANNOT happen.
As for Marcuse, one might say that there's a 'realistic" streak even in his radical "idealism." At least on his interpretation, Critical theory critiques a given social order and its injustices in light of a possible new social order which would radically deepen and expand the range of human freedom and happiness.
But that critique is based on possibilities already existing at the present time. Early in ONE DIMENSIONAL MAN (often seen as a pessimistic work), Marcuse argues that any given society has an ascertainable measure of material and intellectual resources which might be used differently to improve human life. In industrial societies, these resources are quite sizeable. They could allow the ABOLITION of poverty both domestically and globally if used and organized in a more democratic fashion. In his ESSAY ON LIBERATION, he infers that "Utopian POSSIBILITIES are inherent in the technological of advanced capitalism and socialism: the rational utilization of these forces on a global scale would terminate poverty and scarcity within a forseeable future." (p. 4)
As we know, those technological forces are greater now than in 1969 when Marcuse wrote this. Greater than they were in the late 1950s and 60s when Dr. King was inferring (though from a non-Marxist perspective)very similar conclusions about the possible ending of poverty and the unprecedented expansion of freedom.
Many others --statesmen, philosophers, and even some economists--have inferrred that the possibilities of ending poverty, toil and unfreedom is greater now than before. But it doesn't fit well the interests and agendas of ruling elites in either East or West.
A society without slaves, without the subjection of women, seemed unrealistic to most Greeks and Romans--even to distinguished minds like Aristotle and Plato.
Today, a life wthout poeverty, toil and misery, without racism, exploitation and war, seems "unrealistic" to many.
But history, which sometimes shows us that we can be worse than we realize, also at times shows that we can be BETTER than we imagined.
So, while I am not a gambling man, if I had to gamble--to make some Pascalian wager--it would be on the possible freedom and liberation of the human being. A new order of things that which will make liberated lives of dignity and decency the birthright of every man, woman and child on earth.
That's te aim of any true revolution: FREEDOM RISING!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1265 Dec 9, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Abdurratln -----
You said "the first constitutional government known to history was an Islamic one Muhammad's Caliphate in Medina".-----
No, it wasn't.
The first constitutional government known to history originated in the land which comprises of the present day nation of Poland.
You said "But no matter how you look at it, European constitutions are mere copies of that first example. They are like imitations of the original of the real".----
Not at all.
All of the constitutions of the European nations were conceived, crafted, passed & implemented.--- Were not at all connected to any of the constitutions which originated in any Middle Eastern nation.
Well there were constitutions in a number of ancient Greek city-states, some of which are studied by Aristotle.
It would be interesting to know about any constitutons that may have existed in the Islamic world. And given that philosophy and theology in the Muslim world (as in the Christian) drew upon Greek philosophy, I would wonder if any constitutions in the Muslim world drew upon ancient political constitutions and political theory as well.

Now look how far we've moved from our discusion of Black Revolutionary films.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1266 Dec 9, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
Maybe it's happening. It will be interesting to note how violent will be the official response to Walmart demonstrations as they grow more common and larger.
See how intricately state power is linked to capitalist power. This must end, in every country, worldwide.
True democracy means rule of the PEOPLE! AMAZING, isn't it, that to say this in the USA sounds radical and even seditious!!!
How far we are from realizing the dream of freedom of this country!
Howard Zinn, at Johns Hopkins U in Bmore, once said that fundamental liberation changes in society will not come from one big movement, but from many movements over a period of time.
The Occupy MOvement emerges and subsides (though it still has a presente in Bmore, and its members helped organize relief during Sandyhook hurricane). Low paid American workers rise up in resistance to economic deprivation at thehand of their bosses at Walmart, MacDonalds and other establishments. MOral Monday protests erupt in North Carolina against Republican reactionary efforts to suppress the Black and Latin vote (and votes of others ss well).
The struggle continues. I am not disheartened by the setbacks suffered by Black people or any other oppressed people. The struggle will continue. Freedom will rise like the Dawn.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1267 Dec 9, 2013
Johnny wrote:
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Not at all. Far from it.
From mid September, 2008 till now.---- Clearly, many Americans have undergone economic hardships. But, at the same time, many, many other Americans have made ENORMOUS profits.
From mid September, 2008 till now.----- Has the United States capitalist system ever been in any danger of being overthrown?----Nope.
Top nations of the 2nd World which are embracing capitalism.---- South Korea, Brazil, India & Indonesia.
Even Mexico is embracing capitalism.
All of these respective main black African nations are embracing capitalism.---- Nigeria, Liberia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Senegal, Zambia & Kenya. Experiencing economic growth.
Capitalism isn't going anywhere. Capitalism is here to stay.
Capitalism here to stay? Yeah. Kind of like "eternal Rome" and the Roman empire,
It's true that a few people have become wealtheir than ever before, but averate person becomes increasingly more impoverished than before, and the gap between the haves and have nots have grown--often by leaps and bounds--over the past 30--35 years.
Governments, to protect this system of privilege, will be compelled to resort to increasing political repression or at least severe curtailment of civil liberties.
Capitalism is living on borrowed time. And unless an alternative is found and actualized the whole of civilized life may collapse with it.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1268 Dec 9, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Totally agree.
Under the former Soviet Unions left wing orthodox communist dictatorship.---- The leaders of the Soviet Union were hoping to create a classless system. Where there would be no classes. No poverty. A society which was harmonious & utopian.
When left wing orthodox communism was implemented in the Soviet Union, it didn't work well at all.
Poverty greatly increased. There were no freedoms. At least 27 million Soviet citizens were mass murdered by the left wing orthodox communists.
In Chinas left wing orthodox communist system dictatorship (Which had Chinese characteristics)----- The leaders of China were hoping to create a classless system. Where there would be no classes. No poverty. A society which was harmonious & utopian.
When left wing orthodox communism was implemented in China, it didn't work well at all.
Poverty greatly increased. There were no freedoms. At least 61 million Chinese perished as a result of the policies of the left wing orthodox communist Chinese leaders.
At some point the standard of living DID increase, especially after Stalin (and among some urban dwellers during Stalin). But for me that is aside from the point. You can't create a more just society by dictatorially imposing your agenda top down, and shoving it down peoples threads.
The Bolsheviks usurgped the soviets, coralled trade unions, suppressed every other political party (socialist included) but their own, dispersed the contituent assembly, formed a secret police with virtually unfettered powers in 1918, and crushed the Konstadt revolutionaries in the name of the revolution!
YOu canno create freedom while extinguishing freedom. Even Lenin said that you cannot create socialism--ie, a cooperative society self-governed by workers and common folk themselvs--without democracy. But extinguished all democratic initiatives WITHIN the left, not to mention outside the left.
Rosa Luxemburg was spot on with her critique of Bolshevik politics.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#1269 Dec 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
I see your point. But it is actually much deeper than that. China is a socialist country, for example, although those stupid communists will deny such an obvious fact.
The Chinese government are capitalist to their heart..any fool can see that.

In Africa China builds roads, railroads, bridges and seaports…that enables China to export natural resources out of Africa and finished goods back into Africa and around the world..that is what’s happening as we speak.

China is also buying up large swathes of fertile land in Africa to grow crops that will be exported back to China to feed their growing population/work force.

Africans are migrating to China in droves all seeking cheap tat to export back to Africa..socialist country????..you are a mad man.

I’ve spent a lot of time in your neighborhood..(Washington Park East St Louis)..your only response is to call the inhabitants ‘dummycrats’..sure sign that you are failing to put your message across, if you have a message that is…name calling is all I see.

You so called intellectuals are a waste of space.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1270 Dec 19, 2013
FlowFighter wrote:
<quoted text>
Samia marrie a white guy..case closed ..or I shoud say game over...at least insofar as her having any credibility as a black leader.
Jackson survived for years in an environment that you would probably be able to endure for a week or so...
Samia was elected Chairwoman of the CPP a couple of years ago. This is not about skin color. Her son is legal heir to throne in Ghana. Her father married an Arab. He was elcted president.

Look, you may be a stupid racist But we are not. We are proud to proclaim to the world that we are not racists. Racism is an American thang.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1271 Dec 19, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, this is the reason--or at least one reason--why I think revolutionary alternatives to BOTH Democrats and Republicans are necessary. We need (in Dr. King's words) a "radical redistribution of economic and political power" and a radical "revolution of values." One of the reasons why revolutuionary films interest me is that radical social movements are often foreshadowed and inspired by revolutionary new values in cultural expression. Cinema is an important cultural or artistic form, like the novel in the 19th century.
Empower the Poor. Join the CPP: http://conventionpeoplesparty.org/

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1272 Dec 19, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. I think Marcuse was right when he argued in AN ESSAY ON LIBERATION that the "Utopian possibilities inherent in the technical and technological forces of advance capitalism" are such that a more rational and democratic use of them could "terminate poverty and scarcity within a very forseeable future" (p.4).(Sorry, I just happen to be in my office right now during office hors, and happend also to be reading Herbert Marcuse, Angela davis's philosophy prof. Not trying to be pedantic. LOL!)
But really, the capacity to end poverty, ignorance and disease not only in America, but globally now exists.
Granted the 1% would lose because their status as a privileged elite would be gone. But we can create a prosperous, thriving, creative community of freedom that will not require us to impoverish, enslave and oppress others.The average person could have, i believe, a standard of living and opportunities for cultural and intellectual life available to the upper middle class during the prosperous 1960s.
To be honest, I don't think this can be achieved under capitalism nor under the old Soviet or Chinese system either. But a cooperative democratic society with the widest possible distribution of wealth affording also opportunities for human cultural enrichment would indeed enable human beings to achieve lives of dignity and decency. There would simply be no more "under class," Social inequalities could be minimized to the point where radical class divides begin to vanish. And a new human community could emerge from our efforts. King would call it the BELOVED COMMUNITY.
We can conquer and destroy poverty rather than victimizing and disdaining the poor.
All of this has been debated enough. Now is the time for action. Put up or shut up.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1273 Dec 19, 2013
freddie47 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Chinese government are capitalist to their heart..any fool can see that.
In Africa China builds roads, railroads, bridges and seaports…that enables China to export natural resources out of Africa and finished goods back into Africa and around the world..that is what’s happening as we speak.
China is also buying up large swathes of fertile land in Africa to grow crops that will be exported back to China to feed their growing population/work force.
Africans are migrating to China in droves all seeking cheap tat to export back to Africa..socialist country????..you are a mad man.
I’ve spent a lot of time in your neighborhood..(Washington Park East St Louis)..your only response is to call the inhabitants ‘dummycrats’..sure sign that you are failing to put your message across, if you have a message that is…name calling is all I see.
You so called intellectuals are a waste of space.
China may be "capitalist" But no "capitalists have ever developed their country as rapidly as China has done in the past 20 years.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1277 Dec 20, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
All of this has been debated enough. Now is the time for action. Put up or shut up.
If it were as simple as that it would have been done already. FINDING or CREATING a path toward liberation is the problem. And while I believe that parts ofa solution may exist in anumber og places, the ENTIRE solution is not possessd by any specific individual or group. Probably the solution has to be discovered or worked out in the Struggle itself. Everything is not possible, and never is. But it's only in the progress of the struggle that we learn what is or is not possible....as well as what new possibilities we can generate.

Ish Tov
Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#1278 Dec 20, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
China may be "capitalist" But no "capitalists have ever developed their country as rapidly as China has done in the past 20 years.
It is no surprise. China is M-L Stalinist. Its mentor the USSR was state capitalist. But it used only the USSR and its satellites as part of the corporation. Chinese leaders decided to bring in money by allowing their own proletarian slaves to be used by the West for cheap labor. This not only is yet another abject betrayal of Chinese workers by their faux-communist government, but entails Chinese participation in Western corporate anti-worker actions, rather than supporting global revolution.

Oh well... anyone who took ANY of the Stalinist regimes seriously for decades now has their head up their arse.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1280 Dec 20, 2013
Fake Phony Scandals wrote:
<quoted text> Now and always has been a mostly democratic thing in the USA.
No. The USA has never been exactly democratic. The original Constitution before any Amendments denied the right to vote to all women. That left men only which is a minority of the people. Next, the Africans were denied the right to vote. If you add the Indians to that you have something 25% of the population who can vote. That is a funny kind of white men's only democracy. But it is not democratic. And I wish folks would stop lying and calling it democratic. The truth will make us free.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1281 Dec 20, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> If it were as simple as that it would have been done already.
Getting up off your butt and stop being an armchair revolutionary is a lot easier than you would think. Try it. You might like it.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> FINDING or CREATING a path toward liberation is the problem.
Nkrumah. Kwame Ture and I have laid out a very clear path. But you are not listening. Trim down that huge ego a little bit and pay attention to what I have been trying to share with you for about a decade.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> And while I believe that parts ofa solution may exist in anumber og places, the ENTIRE solution is not possessd by any specific individual or group.
That is why we are the People's Party. We started way back in the 11940s. By People's Party we mean that everybody has a voice in us. And whenever we are in power the people also have a vote in us. That is what the Chinese mean, for example, when they say People's Republic of China. We believe in the Party-State. And the masses of Africans everywhere are the Party
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Probably the solution has to be discovered or worked out in the Struggle itself.
Look here, what I am saying to you is that the solution has already been worked out in the Struggle.

The Convention People's Party started as the Underground Rail Road. Do we need more Struggle than that? The first People's party was formed when the Black Majority Party merged with the People's Improvement Party. When Dr. King first started his revolutionary ministry, they called themselves the Montgomery Improvement Association. But, although I agree with most of what Gandhi said, I am not a philosophical pacific as King and Gandhi were. For us the next step after Montgomery Improvement was Black Power. That is where Obama came from but he is too ignorant to know it or appreciate it.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Everything is not possible, and never is. But it's only in the progress of the struggle that we learn what is or is not possible....as well as what new possibilities we can generate.
But urinating in a public park for Occupy Wall Street may be Struggle. But it is not the African Struggle. I just want to be clear about that.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1282 Dec 20, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
It is no surprise. China is M-L Stalinist. Its mentor the USSR was state capitalist. But it used only the USSR and its satellites as part of the corporation. Chinese leaders decided to bring in money by allowing their own proletarian slaves to be used by the West for cheap labor. This not only is yet another abject betrayal of Chinese workers by their faux-communist government, but entails Chinese participation in Western corporate anti-worker actions, rather than supporting global revolution.
Oh well... anyone who took ANY of the Stalinist regimes seriously for decades now has their head up their arse.
Whatever the People's Republic of China is, it is better than the zionist Entity of israel.

Ish Tov
Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#1283 Dec 20, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever the People's Republic of China is, it is better than the zionist Entity of israel.
That's your defense of China! Attack Israel! LOL!!!

This is the CLASSIC Nazi scapegoating maneuvre. That's right, the JEWS did it!!! Never mind whatever we were talking about. DA JEWS!!!

You're vile.

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