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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1112 Nov 24, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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Of course, I have not read the article and see no reason to read it. I know what socialism is. Communism is also known as Marxism-Leninism. So we go to Marx and Engels and Lenin. When we do that, we are slapped in the face with a stupid atheist doctrine. That is a problem. Angela Davis idiots like "Savant" have every right to be dang fool communists. But as a pragmatic matter, what is there to gain by it. We can have all the economic benefits of Marist theory without stooping to his atheistic philosophy.
Maybe I am not as smart as other people. But it took a long time for all this to sink in into my skull. Few people have a clear understanding of it. Evan fewer people can teach it. When we try to earn and understand it, we run into nitwits like "Savant" who confuse us even further.
But once we put effort a lot of effort over a long period of time, we realize that there is no mystery about any of this. This is not religion or metaphysics. It is actually very simple: a government, a state or even a political party owns the means of production. If the state gets deeply enough involves in economic activity and planning, that is socialism. But when a bunch of idiots try to convince you of "gay rights" or atheism and force it on the people, that is communism. Lenin called it "dictatorship of the proletariat". And those nitwits have the nerve the audacity to complain about Hitler.
Sure Hitler was a real SOB. But he was not a lot worse than Stalin or Lenin. All of them at that time were SOBs, real sons of bytches.
Anyhow, historically capitalism has been the worse economic system and most oppressive and less efficient. So when we follow Nkrumahist Economics we utilize both state ownership and non-state ownership. And just like what we see now in China and most of modern Asia, our job as a political party is to create favorable conditions for rapid and aggressive economic success. Capitalism loves socialism more than almost any other class of people. We know that for a fact. That is why so many American capitalist companies have packed up and moved to China.
By the way, Angela Davis has been out of the Communist Party for at least two decades. And I've NEVER been a Communist, at least not in the sense of a Marxist-Leninist. Interstingly enough, Aunt AddieRat's hero, Kwame Nkrumah, was far more of a Marxist than I've ever been. LOL! That's obvious from CONSCIENCISM and CLASS STRUGGLE IN AFRICA, just to take a couple of examples.
Actually, I'm more ground in existential philosophy and phenomenological analyses. I sometimes draw on Marxian analysis where it seems appropriate, and I'm not ashamed to do so. But that is not my basic philosophical position. However, anyone who cannot see the Marxian philosophical framework even in Nkrumah's CONSCIENCISM is really a philosophical illiterate and a political dunce.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1113 Nov 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
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By the way, Angela Davis has been out of the Communist Party for at least two decades. And I've NEVER been a Communist, at least not in the sense of a Marxist-Leninist. Interstingly enough, Aunt AddieRat's hero, Kwame Nkrumah, was far more of a Marxist than I've ever been. LOL! That's obvious from CONSCIENCISM and CLASS STRUGGLE IN AFRICA, just to take a couple of examples.
Actually, I'm more ground in existential philosophy and phenomenological analyses. I sometimes draw on Marxian analysis where it seems appropriate, and I'm not ashamed to do so. But that is not my basic philosophical position. However, anyone who cannot see the Marxian philosophical framework even in Nkrumah's CONSCIENCISM is really a philosophical illiterate and a political dunce.
I think you detached. And you are egotistical and arrogant.

I do not like that you any African would prefer French over things closer to home. But I think once your mind becomes infected wit French, it is nearly impossible to see reason.

Why cannot you bring yourself to say that Brother Youssou' work is great? I mean, for crying out loud, he won a Grammy and numerous other awards. That is not merely greatness, it is excellence. But you seem happy with mediocrity. I will not endorse mediocrity.

How can you call yourself a teacher. Brother Yossou's work is AAA+++ work. That is not debatable. But I bet you have not even watched the film. It is a free download, for crying out loud. It won't cost you a ting except your arrogance.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1114 Nov 24, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
And so, Abdul hates politics which speak of the "lumpen", yet wants to help the poor. He's very confused.
Keep in mind, Abdul is a Moslem, so...
Look. I explained in detail that poor is not equivalent to lumpen. Lumpen is the criminal class. Just because the powerful likes to abuse the poor does not make tem lumpen.

All I am saying is that the time as come wen poor people's voice will not be ground out by lumpen non-sense, sexual perversion and social perversion. Poor people voted for Obama. But what has Obama done to reduce poverty? Nit one ting. That is wrong and it. It using and taking advantage of poor people.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1115 Nov 24, 2013
Johnny wrote:
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I totally see your points above.
This is why that it is so VERY pertinent that Ghana align with the United States (US), Israel & the United Kingdom (UK).
Ghana, by fully aligning up with Israel, the US & the UK.----
The problems which Ghana has faced, will go away.
There have not been any Positive Action demonstrations in hHana since Independence. But as soon as they "recognize israel" people pour out into the streets in protest.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1116 Nov 24, 2013
Johnny wrote:
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Well, the song Master Blaster didn't sway the masses to any radical revolutionary actions nor even thinking.
That song (Among many other songs) was just a symbolic, feel good tune. It didn't do anything revolutionary.
I am lad somebody finally said something about tis, besides me. Now, we can have an intelligent discussion even if we disagree. Until now, we have not been very intelligent.

Master Blaster was a celebration of Africanism. I know of few previous songs that did that. That was revolutionary. And it affected the masses in way that few previous sons ever did. That was revolutionary.

I always loved everything tat Stevie did. But Master Blaster is simply great. I think it may have also won a quiet a few honors. I do not know and do not care. What is important is that over 20 years later, people are still talking about how Stevie would enter the stage before midnight and would not top performing until daybreak.

What was happening? One thing for certain is this: "Peace has come to Zimbabwe". That is revolutionary. White supremacy is finally dead.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1117 Nov 24, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Abdurratln ----
You said "How this a "threat to the west".---
When Libyas former left wing dictator, Muammar al-Gadaffi publically stated that.---- "Africa should have a single military force, a single currency, a single passport for Africans to move freely around the content".
It was primarily Muammar stating that he wanted to see Africa having a single military force & a single currency.----
None of these ideas were new. Every great African leader has said exactly the same thing.
Johnny wrote:
This SURE was a threat to the West.
How so? We have never proposed attacking the west. All we want it to get AMISOM out of Somalia. If a police effort is need, we in African can pay for it. We do not need any outside help.
Johnny wrote:
You said "The west has troops stationed on African soil".----
Correct.
The West has this, IN SUPPORT of their black African Allies.
It has to be done.
No, no, no!!! France has at least three military bases on African soil, plus the invasions of Ivory Coast and Mali. I do not remember every location where Europeans have troops. But I know they have them at Reunion and at least four other locations. The British have troop on Gibraltor. They must go.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1118 Nov 24, 2013
Staf_R_Lee wrote:
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You may have misread my post. I said that funds previously used to fight organized crime was shifted to "terrorism." The implication is, if "terrorism" is considered a threat, then by association, organized crime must have been.
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I'm surprised that someone so detailed should miss that important distinction.
Johnny seems like the typical white racist who denies being racist.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1119 Nov 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
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Thug behavior is your specialty. Name calling in the place of arguments is just one example.
Backbiting and backstabbing and thought suppression is worse than thug behavior.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1120 Nov 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
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My main issue with the All African Peoples Revolutionary Party was that they had no revolutionary program--not even a reformist program--with which Blacks in America could get with.
The AAPRPs program as outlined in the Handbook of Revolutionary Warfare is the correct program. The problem tat you and 99% of the AAPRP have never read the Handbook. Therefore, you are not and were not empowered to help the AAPRP grow out of its thug background. As soon as Kwame died ad even before he died, the AAPRP begun to slip back into its Panther mode, its own ideology of the lumpen proletariat, so much so, that decent members were forced out of the AAPRP. Now all that is left of it is scum. here may be not more than one at Howard who is not scum. But you can believe they keep him under strict controls. This is why none of Nkrumah's real disciples ever joined the AAPRP. Kwame Ture did his best. But his best was not good enough to save them.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>How do I unite millions of Black people in the USA around the program of uniting all Africa under scientific socialism? Uniting Africans in African around such a programs is no small task.
An African-American may be sympathetic to the struggles of "Mother Africa," and support (as many of us did) the fight against white supremacist regimes in southern Africa. But to make the unification and liberation of Africa your PRIMARY goal will certainly seem to most Blacks here to be a program not much connected to African American liberatory struggles.
Your problem is you have never dissected and analyzed what Nkrumahism means. As an intellectual you simply refused to think about it. hat is typical. The first major problem I encountered here in Saint Louis was a sister who I cared for said "I reuse to think about it." She was and probably still is in the AAPRP. This is what bothers e more tan anything else. Those type of people have a very bad habit of ending up at Howard. or somewhere near Howard.
It has taken me years because I had absolutely no local help. What should have been done 20 ears ago, I am just now getting around to doing it. In particular, People's Party Ideology, Nkrumahism, began in Saint Louis. Virtually no one knows this until I discovered it and published bits and pieces of within the past few days. I can prove it well enough. GOD-Willing, I will eventually find the direct link to Kwame Nkrumah. It is possible as long as some of his colleagues are alive. But the circumstantial evidence is conclusive.
The People's Party started when the Black Majority Party merged with the People's Improvement Party. Obviously they had high hopes of working with the whites of People's Improvement Party. Their primary concern was a better deal for the freed slaves.
Look at the Dummycrats of today and you will get the idea. 97% of the African voters voted for Obama. Not only has Obama not done one ity bity bit for Africans, he has actively murdered Qaddafi and 260,000 Somalis. Still counting.
Back in the day we tried to work with the white liberals. We were the Black Majority they were the People's Improvement. Once they had control of our votes, they double-crossed us and implemented Jim Crow. It was and sill is more important to them to be close to their white racist kinfolks than to be close to Africans.
So, the CPP returns to claim the legacy of the Black Majority Party. We have leaned from history. We do not need and do not want anything at all to do with white liberals, especially not their "gay marriage". I prefer to link with my kinfolks in the Coalition of African American Pastors. Things will be different this time around.
It is by claiming the Black Majority Party and the legacy of the Underground Railroad that we place primacy on Africa. This is what led to African Independence. And it is the program that will show us how to solve the problems of poverty. Empower the Poor.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1121 Nov 24, 2013
Africa is primary is not simply an empty slogan. We must live the primacy of Africa in our day to day lives. For example, when we choose a foreign language, we will choose Arabic, Hausa. Kiswahili, Somali, etc. instead of French. It is okay to learn some French. But do not do so at the expense of African languages because Africa comes first. Africa is primary. It is tat simple, really.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1122 Nov 24, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Was he a threat to the West? Was he just a buffoonish annoyance?
I don't know. He was an oppressor. That I do know. I suspect that he was mostly a threat the the Libyan people themselves.
Who told you he was an oppressor? The zionists? Prove that he was an "oppressor". Where is you evidence? If he was such and "oppressor", why did it take NATO to overthrow is government?

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1123 Nov 24, 2013
His government...?
My Arse Is Sore For You

Chesterfield, UK

#1124 Nov 24, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
His government...?
Come on baby, how come you never rang me after what we did last week? You told me that two men making love was the finest form of lovemaking in the eyes of Allah and then you don't ring me after you used me?
You are one fat using beyatch honey, I ain't gonna forgive you for this.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1125 Nov 24, 2013
I will try to explain this one more time. Lumpen is when you adopt the criminal mindset and/or the criminal life style. Typically, lumpen reject African heritage, values and traditional. Cabral called them declasses. Poor is when you retain values and do and/or try to do the right things in life. This usually means holding a job although the job does not pay enough for you to rise above poverty. You still work instead or steal or sell your body on the streets. You see the poor in church every Sunday morning. They could probably earn a few extra bucks by going to work on Sunday. But instead they go to Prayer. Empower the Poor.

Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#1126 Nov 24, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Africa is primary is not simply an empty slogan. We must live the primacy of Africa in our day to day lives. For example, when we choose a foreign language, we will choose Arabic, Hausa. Kiswahili, Somali, etc. instead of French. It is okay to learn some French. But do not do so at the expense of African languages because Africa comes first. Africa is primary. It is tat simple, really.
Great example of your insanity... ARABIC!?? LOL!!! The Arabs screwed Africa worse than the French did, fool!

Your fetishism for Nkrumah reminds me of the fringe nut Marxist groups with their strident M-L rhetoric.

Nkumah, like Marx, produced great analysis exposing the crimes of the oppressors... neither produced a workable praxis, however. Nkrumah was widely seen as a dictator, and your other pet dogmatist Mugabe is a megalomaniac.

So like M-L'ism...

And, for that matter, like Islam. Totalitarian dogmatism, ultimate oppression.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1127 Nov 24, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
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Great example of your insanity... ARABIC!?? LOL!!! The Arabs screwed Africa worse than the French did, fool!
Your fetishism for Nkrumah reminds me of the fringe nut Marxist groups with their strident M-L rhetoric.
Nkumah, like Marx, produced great analysis exposing the crimes of the oppressors... neither produced a workable praxis, however. Nkrumah was widely seen as a dictator, and your other pet dogmatist Mugabe is a megalomaniac.
So like M-L'ism...
And, for that matter, like Islam. Totalitarian dogmatism, ultimate oppression.
Tell me once again why I should debate an idiot.

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Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1128 Nov 25, 2013
liars wrote:
You guys do know y they keep ushating down wesection ARE NOT ONLY A THREAT TO WHITE AMERICA BUT TO THE WORLD. in a few centuries america the us will be ours includong europe do you see all the racial mixing these days man you all aret wiping out your race yourself. Please stfu and watch it happen because one day whites will be the minority we will oppress them and then they will want to be us and then theyt will die out then we will do that to the next race and the next race and the next race until the planet is black. Muahahahaha. Im just being honest.<quoted text>
Why should we want to oppress anybody? The Black Liberation struggle should be about LIBERATION, not the oppression of someone else.

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Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1129 Nov 25, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
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Most notoriously, NOI was doing COINTELPRO's work.
The greatest treachery was from the NOI and Karenga's Us Org. NOI goons shot Malcolm, and Us Org goons shot Carter and Huggins at UCLA.
Any of the groups pushing “culture nationalism” are usurpers of the true revolutionary movement when existed. Many of these groups are not Moslem.
I think a lot of AA Moslems today WERE involved in the movement... but as Moslems... pffffffttt...
Abeed-da-rat is a straight-out fool; I'm not clear on which Moslem group he matches up with... probably foreign-based waha'abists.
NOI was saturated with agent provocateurs, and many folk suspect even now that Louis Farrakhan was an agent. Most people who are aware of what was happening after Malcolm's break with Elijah Muhammad believe that Louis F. was involved in the assassination.
On more than one occasion you've stated that NOI was part of the violent suppression of the Black Panther Party. Frankly, I've never heard any former Panthers say that. And when I was growing up there were Panthers who were friends of my family (my mom actually being the one who purchased their papers, supported their programs right around the corner from us, and sometimes inviting them to dinner, etc). I know a LOT of former Panthers in Bmore, and a few from DC. So, it is surprising that I never heard from them about a NOI connection in the war against the Black Panthers. But I DID hear about Ron Karenga of the "United Slaves" (US), and their murders of a number of Panthers, including Bunchy Carter.
Of course, it's possible that an anti-Panther NOI connection, if such there wss, was little known or unknown on the East Coast. Still, from reading Huey and Bobby, I did know of Karenga's reactionary gangsterism. And it was also mention by Robert Allen in a book entitled BLACK AWAKENING IN CAPITALIST AMERICA.
From talking with Panthers when I was a kid, I gathered that they saw NOI as a cultish organization. That NOI mainly deflected energies from revolutionary struggle. But I never heard from members of the Bmore BPP that NOI was involved in the anti-Panther violence which was practiced by that COINTELPRO agent, Ron Karenga.
Actually, NOI probably committed more criminal violence against other MUSLIMS. Malcolm X being the most famous victim.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1130 Nov 25, 2013
FlowFighter wrote:
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keep my name out your bytchazz trap..unless I give you permission to speak!!!!
Keep your "bytchazz" out of my thread, pig. And don't return until I give you permission.
Yes, I do suspect you of being a pig---as I'm coming to suspect Aunty Addierat.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1131 Nov 25, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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Who told you he was an oppressor? The zionists? Prove that he was an "oppressor". Where is you evidence? If he was such and "oppressor", why did it take NATO to overthrow is government?
NATO didn't start the insurgency against that loony colonel, fool. I don't doubt they supported the insurrection for their own (less than noble)reasons, but they didn't create it.

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