Black REVOLUTIONARY Films

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#773 Nov 17, 2013
Continued from above...
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
And we all know that Hitler depended almost entirely on capitalist.
No. That is where you are most clearly incorrect. When Hitler came to power, Germany was suffer from an economy that had been destroyed in World War I and under the new Great Depression. But within the space of 4-5 years, the German economy was leading the world out of Depression. Not only that, but the German state had become powerful enough to challenge ALL of the greatest powers in Europe, except the USA. How could so much happen in such a short period of time? Not by capitalism.
And this is what that idiot Sister “Savant” fails to understand. For all her anti-Hitler, anti-dictator, anti-Stalin rhetoric she does not see that Hitler, like Stalin, was a socialist. Therefore, if we are to be true to socialism, a “THINKING” person must study them even though we may disagree with certain things they did. A historian such as me has the moral duty to study all aspects of history to some degree.
To avoid admitting that Hitler used socialism to develop Germany, nitwits like Sister “Savant” would probably call it “state capitalism” or some other stupid non-sense.“State capitalism” is socialism. The problem with the Nazis was not socialism but fascism. Fascism was the use of slavery and forced labor to achieve state economic goals. That has been done in every country dominated by white people at one time or another.
The name of Nazi Party is the Nationalist Socialist Party for a reason.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#774 Nov 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Angela Davis noted that in Birmingham when she and sister Fania entered a whites only section in a clothing store they were treated differently because they spoke French.
That shows how much of an idiot Davis is. They spoke French... LOL. Helll, I speak French, a little bit a fact that I AM NOT ALLL THAT proud of. But nobody ever failed to notice that I am an African.

They probably treated her differently because she act3ed like a lesbian and looked like a lesbian.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I hear from people in Baltimore who say that in the 1950s & 60s they were sometimes able to get around JIm Crow prohibitions by pretending to be Africans, dressing as Africans, and faking an African accent.
So what? That proves that the real reason and main reason we became freer in this country is globalization, hence Pan-Africanism. For example, this country needed to buy oil in Saudi Arabia and prevent them from signing exclusive oil deals with China and Russia. So they had to stop mistreating people who looked like Saudi Arabs. The Saudis had already taught Elijah Muhammad that "the white man is the devil". Who knows what other mischief they might pull off?

A clearer example is the Sit-in Movement. It also began around the DC area where army officers were being trained. It was an African army officer who started the Sit-ins. He had been humiliated when an African from the continent asked him about segregation. So he and a few friends went down to finds out.

So, we see the problem was a Pan-African one involving Arabs and Africans from places like Ghana and Guinea and Egypt. This is Pan-Africanism in the ONLY solution to our current problems. All we need is for scholars to be honest and tell the truth about our history.

For example, Eisenhower helped the CPP to build the Volta River Dam Project in Ghana ( http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/volta.htm ). How did that happen?

Osagefo sent his finance minister to the USA to contact churches, etc. to collect funds for the project. And he had some incidences.(I do not recall all the details but you can look them up) in which he experienced racial profiling in the DC area. Somehow President Eisenhower found out about and invited His Excellency to the White House. When he learned that Ghana need financing for the Project, Eisenhower gave it to us. And you want to know why we listen to the Tea Party when they speak? You are an idiot.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>On the other hand, I recall Africans (and some Black Latins) who mentioned having experiences that sounded VERY FAMILIAR to me, that is, until it was discovered that they were not American Blacks.
Blind fool, the whole point is desegregation began in the USA mainly because of overseas Africans caring about us in the USA. It is Pan-Africanism. No progress was ever made until Ghana and Guinea and Egypt sent diplomats to the USA. It was later that the USA received diplomats from Latin America and the Caribbeans. It started in Africa: Egypt, Ghana, Guinea.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Interestingly enough, in France I saw Black people reacting to authorities (especially police) as I"ve known my people in America to day. Yet, I didn't receive that kind of treatment from the French...except once: A stupid French pig wanted to see my "carte d'identite" as I was exiting from a Metro in the area of St, Michel. He turned red as an Alabama cracker when he saw my American passport and drivers license. Became somewhat apologetic, but I didn't want to hear it. "I wonder what my Uncle Oscar will say when I tell him about this" I thought. "Maybe this isn't the same France you helped liberate at Normandy."
Now you admit that French are nothing but red neck crackers like all the others and probably worse than most. Thank you.
Stag_R_Lee

Scottsdale, AZ

#775 Nov 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Continued from above...
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No. That is where you are most clearly incorrect. When Hitler came to power, Germany was suffer from an economy that had been destroyed in World War I and under the new Great Depression. But within the space of 4-5 years, the German economy was leading the world out of Depression. Not only that, but the German state had become powerful enough to challenge ALL of the greatest powers in Europe, except the USA. How could so much happen in such a short period of time? Not by capitalism.
And this is what that idiot Sister “Savant” fails to understand. For all her anti-Hitler, anti-dictator, anti-Stalin rhetoric she does not see that Hitler, like Stalin, was a socialist. Therefore, if we are to be true to socialism, a “THINKING” person must study them even though we may disagree with certain things they did. A historian such as me has the moral duty to study all aspects of history to some degree.
To avoid admitting that Hitler used socialism to develop Germany, nitwits like Sister “Savant” would probably call it “state capitalism” or some other stupid non-sense.“State capitalism” is socialism. The problem with the Nazis was not socialism but fascism. Fascism was the use of slavery and forced labor to achieve state economic goals. That has been done in every country dominated by white people at one time or another.
The name of Nazi Party is the Nationalist Socialist Party for a reason.
You are right. I should have stipulated financial support. You have an eye for detail.
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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_...
Stag_R_Lee

Scottsdale, AZ

#776 Nov 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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Me too. Like I have been saying all along. The perverted purpose behind this thread was never films in the first place. anything you the see the words films and “Savant” in the same sentence, there is an ulterior motive somewhere. Get prepared to be disappointed.
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Me too. Like I have been saying all along. anything you the see
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The issue of socialism is implied by the Communist Party. But do not confuse socialism with communism. Communism is all about “agnosticism” and atheism and “gay rights” and Angela Davis etc. And Sister “Savant”. Socialism is an economic theory. The problem is we have to avoid becoming dogmatic about it because if we do, we are headed to disaster. This is what history teaches. That is why Nkrumahist socialism is very, very pragmatic, not dogmatic. And by us being pragmatic and principled, the communists have always made war against us. Always. Sister “Savant” has been attacking me ever since I came online about ten years ago. At first it took me awhile figure out what’s going on because the communists have always been fundamentally dishonest So it is always hard to figure their motives out. For example, Sister “Savant” will not tell us she is a communist because she already knows that virtually every African is against communism with its atheism and agnosticism. Instead, she tells us that Angela Davis is a “hero” as if we are dang fools. Anything you the words Davis and “hero” in the same sentence it means communism and not socialism. You will learn over time. The pattern is always the same.
Continued below...
Again, your eye for detail is outstanding. In my defense, I was speaking to the article linked from/to Capitalist Institute. The author makes no meaningful distinction between the two: Socialism amd capitalism.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#777 Nov 17, 2013
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right. I should have stipulated financial support. You have an eye for detail.
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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_...
I see your point. But it is actually much deeper than that. China is a socialist country, for example, although those stupid communists will deny such an obvious fact. Look at all the capitalist support they receive. Why? Because socialism is a far superior economic system to dog eat dog capitalism. It involves economic planning and stability. That is what the capitalists like.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#778 Nov 17, 2013
Another feature of socialism is state support for industry. Industrialists will support a socialist party such as the Convention People's Party because we will analyze their needs and approach them and say to them, "hey we know what your problems and needs are. Give us a campaign donation to win this election and when we get in power, we will solve your problems suitable to your own desires." That is exactly what I am doing here in Saint Louis. I canvass African neighborhood and access all the businesses in the area, with primary focus on African owned businesses. Then I try to figure out how to maker them better and how a CPP government can do it.

For example, one little township has exactly one African owned store. The big companies are not interested in competing there. What the community could benefit from is a Family Dollar type company. Look how fast Family Dollar has grown. Why did not an African start that? All of the primary customers are Africans. And the white owners treat the Africans like dogs.

So, my idea is top go to that little African owned store and say to them, "Hey when we get elected and take over city hall we will levy a tax and collect money to help you expand your business to fill community needs and keep the white man out." Win-win for everybody. A Somali brother just asked how to create job for Somalis.( http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/TB3L... ) This is how we do it. We collect taxes and use the revenue to help African owned businesses to grow and expand to create jobs for Africans.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#779 Nov 17, 2013
Here is more about how socialism works. We needed to create and support new industries. When we came to power in Ghana we had two major problems, both of which Osagyefo was ideally prepared to solve. He had spent over a decade working his way through college in the USA. This is one reason the Republicans have a secret love for us. They like an up by the bootstraps type of man, white, black, red, green, or poker dot. For example, they LOVED Booker T. Washington not because he “accommodated” them but because he came out of slavery and built the ONLY entirely black owned school in history.(I am aware of Lincoln U in Missouri that was originally financed when African soldiers all donated their last paychecks after the Civil War to finance the school. But I do not know many details. This needs to be researched.) Not only that. He is the father of the National Chamber of Commerce which started as the national Negro Business League and later as the African Community League under Garvey.

Anyhow, Osagyefo was a self-made man who came here with little more than a one way ticket. One of his first jobs was working with dead animals. I think it was a soap manufacturer. They used animal fat to make soap. Nkrumah’s job was to collect the dead meat and transport it in a wheel barrel. I have done similar type work and I know intimate details. The smell gets in your clothes and your skin. When you go home at night after a hard day’s work, you smell like a dead animal. People complain if you ride public transport. I do not need to tell you that I did not like it and Nkrumah was so delicate that he soon became too ill to work and had to find another job.
And we want to know why we have so many preachers…The best job that Nkrumah landed was preaching on Sunday mornings. And these fools want to tell me that Nkrumah was an atheist. LOL.

Anyhow, it took Nkrumah 15 minutes to become an expert in handling dead animals. When he became president of Ghana, her needed to increase agricultural production. That means more dead animals to provide food to eat. But food service is a low paying industry. One of the best ways if not the best way to stimulate agriculture is to find other ways to encourage animal production. For instance, if we have a way to use animal skins we could buy them from the farmers and increase their income. This means soap manufacturing and many other manufacturing activities.

One is shoe manufacturing. The CPP government built a shoe factory that bought animal skins from the farmers and processed the skins into leather to make shoes and handbags etc.( http://conventionpeoplesparty.org/... ) This company was owned by the CPP government and state because there was no one in Ghana who do that at that time. We had to hire manufacturers from other countries to come in and manage the company and train Ghanaians to do the work. That is how African owned manufacturing got started in Africa. Otherwise we would not have any manufacturing at all owned by Africans anywhere in the world. We built the company through socialist investment. After we left power, rather than build on our legacy, th3e current idiots in power sold the company. They “privatized” it by selling it for pennies on the dollars to Jerry Rawlings cronies. They stole it from the people. And this is main reason we will soon return to power. We will put a stop to that type of thievery and lock a few clown up in jail.

Continued below...

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#780 Nov 17, 2013
Continued from above...

But the main point is we did exactly what the Chinese are currently doing. That is why we are so close to China. The Chinese and the CPP have always pretty much seen eye to eye because Africa and China have similar type problems and similar solutions to the problems. Socialism requires us to help industry and that is what China is doing right now. Japan did it also. In fact all of the rising Asian economies have done it to some degree. Help business. Help industry. Capitalists like that. LOL And they will give the CPP all the money we need to take back power from the current idiots in power. This is why Eisenhower gave us money when we needed as I mentioned above. I also mentioned how the rich capitalist helped Booker T. Washington build Tuskegee University. This is why every African ought to study our history in an honest manner and stop telling lies against Garvey, Washington and Nkrumah

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#781 Nov 17, 2013
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
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Again, your eye for detail is outstanding. In my defense, I was speaking to the article linked from/to Capitalist Institute. The author makes no meaningful distinction between the two: Socialism amd capitalism.
I do not know what you mean by "meaningful distinction between socialism and capitalism". One is owned by individuals and private companies. Socialism focuses on public ownership and state ownership. Beyond that, there is not much difference between the two. A CPP government will invest in both state ownership and private ownership. We call it public-private cooperation. Even Sister Barack Obama has tried to co-opt that rhetoric without accepting the philosophy and principles behind it the same way the Dummycrats previously co-oppete4d the People's Party in the 1930s. I for one will not fall for it.

The objective is an increased economic deal for the masses of African people EVERYWHERE, in the Diaspora and in Africa. If a private company like Ebony Magazine wants top invest in Africa, cool. But we know that history. Ebony sold out to the zionsists. Now, we have no independent voice in the USA. The NDC in Ghana also "privatized". Okay. What's next? We still need jobs for our youth.( http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/TMJG... ) We need clean drinking water. We need safe schools for our babies.

Right now, in Ghana, our little 5 year olds have to walk miles to get to school. And when they get their, they have to pay tuition to attend "school under trees". That means exactly what it says. I have a colleague from Senegal. He told me personally that he not only walked those miles, but he did so BAREFOOT. He is a leading scholar in his filed of expertise.

When the CPP was in power, he offered 100% free education all the way to PHD level. Socialism.

Ish Tov
Level 3

Since: Sep 13

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#782 Nov 17, 2013
abdul-da-rat plays the same game as his white-right connedservative cohorts, which depends most on creating their own definitions of "socialism" and "communism"---straw men they can attack as is convenient.

Is Savant supporting Stalinism? No. Was Hitler a "socialist" in any sense we mean when we use the word? No.

But the Moslem misfit babbles on.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#783 Nov 17, 2013
I also mentioned that Nkrumah WORKED HIS WAY through college. Booker T. Washington did the exact same thing. He WORKED HIS WAY to Masters Degree level. Nkrumah worked to PHD level. I worked to beyond Bachelors level. But I am too old and broken down now to do hard labor any longer.

The Tea Partiers like up by the boot-straps. When Eisenhower saw how hard we were working he gave us the money we needed. When the rich industrialists saw how hard Booker T. Washington was working they gave him all the money he needed and endowed him and the school with millions. Africans still own Tuskegee. But the financing came from republicans, not Dummycrats like Obama. The same principle applies today. They will fiancé us. And we will create an economy that they like when we come to power again. This means a complete and absolute end to all the corruption we now see in our community. We cannot build businesses when dope dealers are standing in front of our stores. That must end and it will end as soon as the CPP takes over. We will shoot some dope dealers and save money from having to incarcerate them. I mean what I say.
BADG

San Diego, CA

#784 Nov 17, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
abdul-da-rat plays the same game as his white-right connedservative cohorts, which depends most on creating their own definitions of "socialism" and "communism"---straw men they can attack as is convenient.
Is Savant supporting Stalinism? No. Was Hitler a "socialist" in any sense we mean when we use the word? No.
But the Moslem misfit babbles on.
Shut up beaner! Hitler was a great man! When watching holocaust videos I laugh and yell Heil hitler!

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#785 Nov 17, 2013
Under a CPP government there will be no catering to perverted sexual proclivities. No politicians will go through college by performing BJs on white guys the way Obnama did.(
) Those who got rich at public expense will pay it back and go to jail for trying to play us. You get the picture.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#786 Nov 17, 2013
Here is a good example of public-private partnership: http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docvie... . Although I am dead set against zionism the same way that I am dead set against Nazism, I can learned by studying their examples.
Stag_R_Lee

Scottsdale, AZ

#787 Nov 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not know what you mean by "meaningful distinction between socialism and capitalism". One is owned by individuals and private companies. Socialism focuses on public ownership and state ownership. Beyond that, there is not much difference between the two. A CPP government will invest in both state ownership and private ownership. We call it public-private cooperation. Even Sister Barack Obama has tried to co-opt that rhetoric without accepting the philosophy and principles behind it the same way the Dummycrats previously co-oppete4d the People's Party in the 1930s. I for one will not fall for it.
The objective is an increased economic deal for the masses of African people EVERYWHERE, in the Diaspora and in Africa. If a private company like Ebony Magazine wants top invest in Africa, cool. But we know that history. Ebony sold out to the zionsists. Now, we have no independent voice in the USA. The NDC in Ghana also "privatized". Okay. What's next? We still need jobs for our youth.( http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/TMJG... ) We need clean drinking water. We need safe schools for our babies.
Right now, in Ghana, our little 5 year olds have to walk miles to get to school. And when they get their, they have to pay tuition to attend "school under trees". That means exactly what it says. I have a colleague from Senegal. He told me personally that he not only walked those miles, but he did so BAREFOOT. He is a leading scholar in his filed of expertise.
When the CPP was in power, he offered 100% free education all the way to PHD level. Socialism.
Again. I was speaking to the article. The author titles his discourse "Why Socialism fails, then speaks about Sociology. After that he devotes most of his article to Karl Marx and Communism. As you, Abdurattin, pointed out: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Again, the author titles his article "Why SOCIALISM Fails, then discusses COMMUNISM, so I followed suit.
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By the way, your contributions(above, are very informative and interesting.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#788 Nov 18, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
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Hope it's on PBS.
They're raising a generation who knows nothing. All they know is Martin Luther King didn't want to sit in the back of the bus and now we're all free.
__________

Ish Tov, the United States mainstream television news media networks & newspaper print venues exclusively point out.---- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. giving his "I Have A Dream" speech in Washington D.C. in late August, 1963.

The mainstream television news media networks & newspaper print venues have ALWAYS omitted Dr. King Jrs. public speeches & writings from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.

Because Dr. King Jr.s public speeches & writings from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.---- Were far left wing.

A threat to White America collectively.

A threat to the American System.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#789 Nov 18, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>How nice if films about worthwhile people like her were more common. How little they know.
The result: the perpetuation of the lowlife racism we see in here.
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Even if PBS would show more films which have a far left wing tilt.---

It still wouldn't do a thing to mend the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-American divide in the United States.

The African American & White-American divide is just too deep in this nation.

Too much very bad history involved.

Just too much very bad blood which is assoicated with that history.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively & White-Americans collectively will never be close in the United States.

This is why there are many public policy initiatives & social engineering policies in place.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Primarily to fracture & fragment the African American community.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#790 Nov 18, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>As for "Johnny" I never read anything.
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Come on. No need to lie.

Awhile back on the African American forum, on a different thread.---- We were having an indepth blog discussion & debate about many black African organizations.

That blog discussion & debate.---- I know that my points which I typed up to you, that it resonated with you. I know that it hit & impacted on you.

Primarily when I typed up to you, about your picture which you had up with you having your White turban on.

On that thread, you mentioned to the other posters that you were "sexually frustrated".

I pointed out to you, that no woman, of any race would want you.

I stated to you, that you are repulsive & revolting.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#791 Nov 18, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Ish Tov, the United States mainstream television news media networks & newspaper print venues exclusively point out.---- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. giving his "I Have A Dream" speech in Washington D.C. in late August, 1963.
The mainstream television news media networks & newspaper print venues have ALWAYS omitted Dr. King Jrs. public speeches & writings from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.
Because Dr. King Jr.s public speeches & writings from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.---- Were far left wing.
A threat to White America collectively.
A threat to the American System.
Well, whataya know eve this idiot said something intelligent. You should be able to go to youtube and loo up I have a dream. I bet $10 bucks it is there:
. See how easy that was?

But a much better video is called "yes on the Prize". We have it Saint in the original. I doubt if you can get on youtube, But UI will check. I was wrong. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/results...

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#792 Nov 18, 2013
See, as soon as we dissect this discussion from Angela Davis, lesbianism and the Communists. we can make some progress. But I would rather be talking about the cyclone that hit the Somali coast.

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