Black REVOLUTIONARY Films

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#23 Oct 7, 2013
Capitalism is coming apart at the seams. Not only in America but globally. That's what is different, vitally different from the past. Revolutionaries in the past, at least in Western Europe and (even more so) the USA was contesting a VIBRANT, expanding capitalism, not a decrepit one. Capitalism seems invincible in much the same way that the old Roman empire or the absolute monarchies and feudal regimes in old Europe.
Yet all those regimes are gone. But once you would have been deemed mad if you thought you could challenge those old power structures. Hell, folk were often deemed mad in this land in 1776 when they thought they could challenge the most power regime on earth, the British empire.
Yet the impossible proved possible, and the supposedly insane proved to be the most sane path forward, igniting a revolutionary wave that would eventually bring an end to the old order.
Today, capitalism and (in Mannning Marable's words) the "racist capitalist state" IS the old order.
The Occupy Movement, the current "Moral Mondays" in North Carolina, are just the beginning. We will build or new world and, as Fanon wrote, "try to set afoot a new man."
Johnny wrote:
Savant ----
You said "Of course teh whites with the most power are the ones who would presumably be granting or denying "concessions".---- True.
You said "but for me it's past that, it's time to put them out o business, to create anew society. Perhaps it becomes a question of whether we revolutionaries will grant them concessions".---
Well, left wing revolutionaries do not carry any weight in the United States.
A somewhat move was attempted to change the American System from mid September, 2011 till mid November, 2011. With the Occupy Wall Street protests. The Occupy Wall Street protests failed.
African Americans percentage in the Occupy Wall Street protests.---- Only 1.6%.
I'm sure that a larger percentage of African Americans did support the Occupy Wall Street protests. But, they didn't bother getting involved, because they realised that it would fail.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#24 Oct 7, 2013
White America is not a monolith, and with the collapse of racial capitalism the material foundations of white privilege are being shattered. White America is already splitting apart, some moving rightward, some leftward, and others still undecided.
Most are probably in the center. If they (centrist majority) either stay centrist or move leftward we will win. If they move rightward, a FASCIST nightmare is in store for America.
Probably a revolutionary movement can win 25--35% of the white population, and at least 80% of each of the non-white minorities.
With white America splitting--and also SHRINKING proportionately as a demographic--a revoltuionary alliance of a fraction of white America (progressive labor, porgoressive poor, middle class, intellectusl, etc) with a growing and still mainly CENTER-LEFT Black and Brown population, can tip the scales in our favor. The Part of centrist white population may be pulled leftward. The already center-left Black and Brown population can be pulled FUTHER leftward (as happened in 1960s), giving rise to a progressive--eventually REVOLUTIONARY--majority.
Then we will create a NEW America, and contribute whatever we can to the transformation of the world.
Johnny wrote:
Savant ----
You said "White American is not a monolith".---- In regards to elections in the United States, yes, this is true.
In regards to the supporting, or at the very least not minding the American System, yes, White-Americans are a monolith.
You said "Some fraction of white America may also be fighting for radical transformation".----
Some. But, a very, very miniscule number.
An observation about White left wing anti-racists.---- They are always in a way more dominant position. OVER the people which they claim to represent.
An example.---- White left wing anti-racist activist Tim Wise.---- Tim has made some good points. Especially his points which pertain to stuff which happened decades or generations ago.
Wes

United States

#25 Oct 7, 2013
Gay N*****s From Outer Space (1992)

http://vimeo.com/m/66125779

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#27 Oct 7, 2013
Savant wrote:
Now, I'm in my office. A colleague is supposed to lend men his copy of the dvd BLACK AUGUST, a film about the last days of George Jackson.
That would be a most welcome DVD to hear more about, Brother. Perhaps a good review posted here on Topix would be beneficial?

Let's discuss this more in private.
Leroy

Dearborn Heights, MI

#28 Oct 7, 2013
It would be revolutionary if they made a film helping black people pass second grade.
Chuy Papi Chulo

United States

#30 Oct 7, 2013
Johnny wrote:
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You are absolutely correct that there have been more revolutionary African American films made. With a politically left of center revolutionary tilt.
But, will this translate into the United States getting radical left wing revolution?---- Nope.
Even if a radical left wing revolution would happen in the United States.---- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) won't benefit.
Because African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are at the bottom of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.
In years to come, even if Democrats would dominate every branch of the United States government. Even with very large numerical majorities in the House & Senate, these are the respective entities who would benefit.----
1. Non-Hispanic White union leaders.
2. Non-Hispanic White union members.
2. Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) leaders.
4. Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) masses.
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) wouldn't benefit. Since African Americans collectively are at the bottom of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.
African Americans numerical listings will be going down way more so in years to come due to all of the many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are being done. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are the United States numerically dominant "minority".
In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.----
1. Non-Hispanic Whites.
2. Hispanics. Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
You are so wrong. The Dominicans are not a significant Hispanic group in the US. After the mexican mojados comes Puerto Ricans! Some cities now like Orlando Florida are starting to have a Puerto Rican majority. We are the force of the future!

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#31 Oct 7, 2013
Savant wrote:
Now, I'm in my office. A colleague is supposed to lend men his copy of the dvd BLACK AUGUST, a film about the last days of George Jackson.
For the benefit of other interested posters, Brother, here are some online resources for this film...

Review:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383929/

Purchasing options:
http://tinyurl.com/m66pvl9
Sean Beatty

United States

#32 Oct 7, 2013
Savant wrote:
White America is not a monolith, and with the collapse of racial capitalism the material foundations of white privilege are being shattered. White America is already splitting apart, some moving rightward, some leftward, and others still undecided.
Most are probably in the center. If they (centrist majority) either stay centrist or move leftward we will win. If they move rightward, a FASCIST nightmare is in store for America.
Probably a revolutionary movement can win 25--35% of the white population, and at least 80% of each of the non-white minorities.
With white America splitting--and also SHRINKING proportionately as a demographic--a revoltuionary alliance of a fraction of white America (progressive labor, porgoressive poor, middle class, intellectusl, etc) with a growing and still mainly CENTER-LEFT Black and Brown population, can tip the scales in our favor. The Part of centrist white population may be pulled leftward. The already center-left Black and Brown population can be pulled FUTHER leftward (as happened in 1960s), giving rise to a progressive--eventually REVOLUTIONARY--majority.
Then we will create a NEW America, and contribute whatever we can to the transformation of the world.
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I don't see the need for a revolution. Blacks and Browns can rise to the top of the ladder if they make the effort like everyone else. Obama and many others are proof of that. People who talk about being opressed, revolution etc, either feel too incompetent to compete in American soceity or are too lazy and basically want things to be handed to them. Well I say F U!

It's the belief of most clear thinking people whether they say it openly or not, that the reason that many of these groups are at the bottom rang of the soceity is because of their own doing.
If you want to overthrow the system because you are incompetent then you are a disgrace, and deserve to be locked up!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#33 Oct 7, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be a most welcome DVD to hear more about, Brother. Perhaps a good review posted here on Topix would be beneficial?
Let's discuss this more in private.
Maybe. I have a copy of BLACK POWER MIXTAPE and FREE ANGELA DAVIS AND ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS.

Did I tell you about my first person-to-person meeting with Angela Davis in Bmore? It happened as a kind of surprise present for my successful completion of my studies at Vandy.

Angela Davis is appearing in a number of flics: "US vs John Lennon", "The Black Power Mixtape", "Free Angela Davis and All Poliical Prisoners", and "Day of the Gun" (about the last day of george Jackson. Ever read SOLEDAD BROTHER?)

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#34 Oct 7, 2013
Sean Beatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see the need for a revolution. Blacks and Browns can rise to the top of the ladder if they make the effort like everyone else. Obama and many others are proof of that. People who talk about being opressed, revolution etc, either feel too incompetent to compete in American soceity or are too lazy and basically want things to be handed to them. Well I say F U!
It's the belief of most clear thinking people whether they say it openly or not, that the reason that many of these groups are at the bottom rang of the soceity is because of their own doing.
If you want to overthrow the system because you are incompetent then you are a disgrace, and deserve to be locked up!
You are spouting old capitalist illusions. EVERYONE can not make it to the top if they want to. Obama is no proof of that. Indeed, the very hierarchy whereby there is a top and a bottom means that some folk are going to be on the bottom whether want to or not, others will be on the top. And some of us will be in the middle--that is, until the corporate elite succeeds in utterly extinguishing the so called "middle class."
That some very "successful" people reject the system of success and failure built into the racist capitalist state indicates that it is an ILLUSION that only "failures" and those who feel "incompetent" who speak of oppression (which is so widepread one has to be blind not to see it) and revolution. It isn't even always the most oppressed who demand revolutonary change, though sometimes it is.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#35 Oct 7, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
<quoted text>
For the benefit of other interested posters, Brother, here are some online resources for this film...
Review:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383929/
Purchasing options:
http://tinyurl.com/m66pvl9
"The Black Power Mixtape" and "Free Angela Davis and All Political Prisoners" can also be gotten from Amazon.com

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#36 Oct 7, 2013
Sean Beatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see the need for a revolution. Blacks and Browns can rise to the top of the ladder if they make the effort like everyone else. Obama and many others are proof of that....
Using Obama as an example of the USA being an open meritocracy is misleading. His example is inspiring, yes, but it only goes so far.

The vast majority of Black and Brown people can be hard-working, ambitious, willing to make necessary sacrifices for education, etc., but still NEVER qualify for admission to Harvard or Harvard Law School or any other elite Establishment institutions that put you on the track to where President Obama is today.

For the everyday Mexican-American bricklayer or the African-American forklift driver and millions of others in that social strata, finding a secure livelihood for self and family requires an entirely different political perspective.

If you can't see this - that the system is rigged against the blue-collar working-class as a whole - then you just can't see it.
This thread is not the place to persuade you otherwise.
Sean Beatty

United States

#37 Oct 7, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
You are spouting old capitalist illusions. EVERYONE can not make it to the top if they want to. Obama is no proof of that. Indeed, the very hierarchy whereby there is a top and a bottom means that some folk are going to be on the bottom whether want to or not, others will be on the top. And some of us will be in the middle--that is, until the corporate elite succeeds in utterly extinguishing the so called "middle class."
That some very "successful" people reject the system of success and failure built into the racist capitalist state indicates that it is an ILLUSION that only "failures" and those who feel "incompetent" who speak of oppression (which is so widepread one has to be blind not to see it) and revolution. It isn't even always the most oppressed who demand revolutonary change, though sometimes it is.
Everyone can make it to the top if they have the right mindset. Different etnicities and nationalities have come here and have proven this time and time again even immigrants from Africa who outdo most Black Americans btw. The reason are clear to all who are honest. If you want to understand why so many Blacks are in the position they are in, all you have to do is
look at how people in the ghetto live, they don't value education, they are irresponsible and can't manage their money for shit.

This spread the wealth around scheme is not going to help them. You just want put inmcompetent people on top who will make things worse for everyone. Let them earn their way to the top like Obama and others. Obviously you want some kind of communist system. But all communist societies have proven to be failures. Look at the soviet union, look at Cuba.

Why aren't you people inspired by Obama and his wife?? Why are you full of fear and fail???

Obama's election twice as president has pretty put the final nail in the coffin of this so called notion of inexorable oppresion against Blacks.

No one will believe in your excuses any more. You just look pathetic!
Mack

United States

#38 Oct 7, 2013
Here's one.

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"You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some crackers. You gonna have to kill their babies."
Sean Beatty

United States

#39 Oct 7, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
<quoted text>
Using Obama as an example of the USA being an open meritocracy is misleading. His example is inspiring, yes, but it only goes so far.
The vast majority of Black and Brown people can be hard-working, ambitious, willing to make necessary sacrifices for education, etc., but still NEVER qualify for admission to Harvard or Harvard Law School or any other elite Establishment institutions that put you on the track to where President Obama is today.
Why will they never qualified for admission, are you saying it's beacuse of race?? Explain yourself.

Most Whites never make it to an ivy league school. Hell, only about 25% of the adult American population has a college degree. But many people white, Black do just fine as blue collar workers, many make much more than I do.

No, I am not sure what you are talking about. Many of the so called lower class are people who are unemployed or partially employed.

There are some good paying blue collar jobs. And Blue collar does not automatically equate with lower class.
Mack

United States

#40 Oct 7, 2013
'WANT FREEDOM? KILL SOME CRACKERS!'

“You want freedom? You’re gonna have to kill some crackers! You’re gonna have to kill some of their babies!”

Those were the words of Minister King Samir Shabazz, also known as Maurice Heath, the New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia leader.

Shabazz is the same man the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2010/07/175817/#9ww9mES767...

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#41 Oct 7, 2013
Sean Beatty wrote:
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Why will they never qualified for admission, are you saying it's beacuse of race?? Explain yourself....
I'm just pointing out the obvious - which still needs to be stated:

Schools like Harvard, Columbia and Stanford are extremely selective with very high rejection rates. If, like myself and millions of other Black or Brown students, you don't have the grades/talent/Mensa-caliber IQ or family connections to get into one of those high-powered schools, forget about holding down a premier Establishment job like Mr. Obama's.

Even the runner-up in the 2012 election, Gov. Romney, is an alumnus of Harvard Law. Lets not pretend that elite connections don't matter in our society.
Sean Beatty

United States

#42 Oct 7, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm just pointing out the obvious - which still needs to be stated:
Schools like Harvard, Columbia and Stanford are extremely selective with very high rejection rates. If, like myself and millions of other Black or Brown students, you don't have the grades/talent/Mensa-caliber IQ or family connections to get into one of those high-powered schools, forget about holding down a premier Establishment job like Mr. Obama's.
Even the runner-up in the 2012 election, Gov. Romney, is an alumnus of Harvard Law. Lets not pretend that elite connections don't matter in our society.
Obama was but an extreme example. We need not set the bar up so high. You can still get into a decent university without any "connections". If you are a minority you have laws and programs that even work in your favor.

And maybe you might want to reread your paragraph, you seem to be insinuating that Blacks and Browns suffer more from a lack of good grades, talent and high IQs. I know you don't want to say that!

Realistically all it takes a bit of effort and self discipline most people can make it through college Brown and Black. But if you happen to not value education and you think it's only for whites or squares, then that's another thing entirely.

What is really needed is a cultural revolution within the Black community!
Sean Beatty

United States

#44 Oct 7, 2013
FlowFighter wrote:
<quoted text>
"Everyone can make it to the top if they have the right mindset."
Is that why 90% of the wealth ownership is concentrated in 5% of
the population?
Even a silly cracker clown like sean can see that BOTH statements can't be true. LOL!!!!
One more thing cracker..the main $$beneficiaries$$ of affiemative action are -and have been-WHITE WOMEN...
now st**fu cracker ..go pile that cave beast whose AA job pays the mortgage. LOL!!!
Yeah everyone doesn't make it to the top. Surprised? How many people really make the effort?? How many have the drive??
Anyway all the most people want is a decent paying job that allows them to own a good home and raise a family and to be able to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle.

You don't exactly have to go to Harvard for that.

All you can really ask from your government is to open up that possibilty for everybody. And it's there!

Now if you stupid mofos ruin your chances by droppng out of school, having alot of kids from different fathers, getting locked up for petty crime etc, then thats your own damn fault! I don't care what you you say. Fc3k all this spread the wealth shit! You dug the hole you fell in, now find your own way out!

Now you shut up!
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#45 Oct 7, 2013
Savant ----

You said "Capitalism is coming apart at the seams".---- Not at all. Far from it.

Examples which show this.----

1. The United States, from mid September, 2008 till now.---- Many non-Hispanic Whites have been experiencing economic difficulties.

But, at the same time, many non-Hispanic Whites have made TREMENDOUS profits.

2. Sweden.---- From 1969 till 1985.---- The Swedish government (Especially under Swedens former prime minister, left wing socialist Olaf Palme) embraced & pushed socialism.

Since Olafs death, Swedens government has shifted to the Right wing. Sweden has embraced capitalism.

Within the last decade, all of these respective Western European nations have shifted more to the Right wing. Embraced capitalism.--- Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, Denmark & Norway.

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