Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#204 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.city-journal.org/html/cj_editors.h...
so you reference some garbage by zionist neocons ?
__________

Out of the list of the 26 writers for the City Journal.---- Granted, a good number of them are Jewish.

The rest aren't.

The Jewish writers for the City Journal, I don't see any evidence that they are any type of hard core Zionists.

The person who wrote that article, Steven Malanga, he isn't Jewish.

What Steven wrote, he was just pointing out some of the group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics in the United States.

What he showed (What it boils down to).---- Were certain aspects of the public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in effect.-----

That Hispanics are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#205 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter ----

You said "Care to provide any specific examples".----

What you stated in a few of your previous posts on this thread.---- You sure are unaware of the many public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in effect.

Have been in effect from 1990 till now.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#206 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter -----

You said "with conjectures and speculation".----

Not at all.

In the late 1980s, the United States television news media venues & newspaper print outlets first began reporting about Americas non-Hispanic White population declining.

Well, in 1990, the first set of social engineering was implemented.

In a few of my previous responses back to you, I listed many of the public policy initiaves & social engineering policies which are in effect. From 1990 till now.

Do you think that this is just a coincidence?---- Nope.

Since the United States non-Hispanic White population has gone down, Hispanics will have to become the new Whites.

This is what is happening.

Hispanics are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#207 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter -----

Since the United States non-Hispanic White population has gone down.----

Here are a few other social engineering policies which are in effect.----

To fracture & fragment the African American community.----

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification.

DIFFERENT from African American.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time, they will.

Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American "community" even more.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced.

AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also viewed as being a buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
LION

Charlotte, NC

#208 Nov 1, 2013
The best solution is for blacks (AAs) to start creating their (our) own jobs.
We need to stop relying on other races for our survival.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#209 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter wrote:
<quoted text>implementing or fomenting the policies or mindsets regarding biracial/mixed
issues...
__________

Sure.

From 1930 till 2000.---- The United States had the "one drop rule" in regards to "race".

In the late 1980s, the United States television news media venues & newspaper print outlets first began reporting about Americas non-Hispanic White population going down.

Which followed.----

1. 1990.----

This was the first year which the federal government had on the census, an "open box".

For Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent.

For blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

For them to write in a classification.

DIFFERENT from African American.

2. 1990 till now.----

All of the many, many different organizations which were formed in the United States to represent multiracial / mixed.

So that Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent would have an "escape hatch" in regards to "race".

So that they could identify DIFFERENTLY from African American.

So that they could identify as multiracial / mixed.

These 3 links show many of these organizations. For multiracial / mixed people.-----

http://www.mixedfolks.com/links.htm .

http://mixedheritagecenter.org/index.php... .

http://www.mavinfoundation.org/new/ .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#210 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter wrote:
<quoted text>implementing or fomenting the policies or mindsets regarding biracial/mixed
issues...
__________

From 1930 till 2000.-----

The United States federal government officially had the "one drop rule" in regards to "race" in effect.

2000.---- The federal government officially got rid of the one drop rule in regards to race. Put on the census, the "Two or more races" (Multiracial / mixed) category.

For the 2010 census.---- Americans who classified as 2 or more races, were 9,009,073.

This is well over 9,000,000 Americans who are not classifying as African American.

Over 9,000,000 Americans are classifying as 2 or more races (Multiracial / mixed).

This is fracturing & fragmenting the African American community.

The federal government officially getting rid of the one drop rule in regards to race. Implementing the 2 or more races (Multiracial / mixed) category.---

This is another form of public policy initiative & social engineering policy.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#211 Nov 1, 2013
FlowFighter ----

Some last points regarding this dynamic.----

On Topix African American form, all of these respective posters are totally well aware of the public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are in effect. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

These posters.----

WowTheBoogieDown (Rhonda, an African American woman from the Bronx), emperjohn (He is Haitian-American), Bob (An African American poster from Cleveland), King Jabbar (He is Afro-Boricuan), Sammy (He is a Virgin Islander) & Ramses (He is Jamaican).

What the poster WowThe BoogieDown stated on this thread here. Post #770.-----

Where she stated this.----

"Like now the dumbass "one drop rule" that help to oppress people of color or with obvious "negro" blood, is considered a threat because Blacks are beginning to grow in strength and power. It consolidated us, isolated us, and helped to empower us. So, what does white america, republicans, do? Divide and conquer. So, set the biracials against the multiculturals and all of them against the Black Americans and slow down their advance. We are moving forward and picking up momentum, so a spanner had to be thrown into the works to slow it down. It's working. We all know the dilution of our race serves to strengthen the white power structure. It does not help us".

WowTheBoogieDowns post,#770, on this thread.----

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TAEKQQGNTTU9I... .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#212 Nov 1, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>The KR was allied more with China, while the Vietnamese were Soviet allies who never trusted the Chinese.
__________

You are absolutely correct.

When the army of Vietnam invaded Cambodia in early, 1979. Overthrew Cambodias very murderous Khmer Rouge dictatorship.---

Chinas left wing communist dictatorship wasn't too pleased with Vietnams actions.

Soon after, China carried out an attack (Minor invasion) on Vietnam.

When Vietnam was in occupation of Cambodia for many years.---- China supplied weapons, training & humanitarian aid to Cambodian anti-Vietnamese forces.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#213 Nov 1, 2013
Ish Tov ----

You said "Yeah. Well, it's still based on the Yank perception of "race".----

Correct.

But, since non-Hispanic Whites are the numerical majority in the United States. Since non-Hispanic Whites control the means of production in this nation. Since non-Hispanic Whites make the policies in America.----

Their version of race is what is dictated by the federal government census.

You said "Hispanic isn't ethnicity".----

True.

You said "that's a BS category created by the Nixon Administration".----

Correct.

It wasn't just the Republicans. Democrats were also in support of the "Hispanic category".

As part of the "Identity Politics" of the United States.

It may be a "bs category".

But, it was a category which has been in place for a few decades.

So, it matters.

Race matters in the United States.

Race has always mattered in this nation. It always will.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#215 Nov 1, 2013
Ish Tov -----

You said "I don't think anyone seriously considers Indians (from India) and Japanese as being of the same "race" or any other category".----

In regards to someone meeting an Indian from India. Or, a person meeting a Japanese person".---- No, on a personal level, they wouldn't be considered of the same "race".

But, how Indians from India & Japanese classify with the federal government according to race.----

As Asian.----

It matters.

You said "We shouldn't forget that some people from Latin American countries/ethnicities are indeed "white".----

Oh yeah.

Whites from the Spanish speaking nations, when they come to the United States, when it is time for them to classify according to race with the federal government.---- They classify as White. Or, as Hispanic.

You said "Others are in fact "black", being all or mostly African".----

Correct.

People who have some African ancestry from the Spanish speaking nations, when they come to the United States, when it is time for them to classify according to race with the federal government.----

They classify as Hispanic. Or, as "Other".
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#216 Nov 1, 2013
Ish Tov -----

You said "Yet how many Mexicans today think they're "white"?".----

For Mexicans in Mexico, on a personal level, this would be a numerical minority.

For Mexicans in the United States, most classify as White.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#217 Nov 2, 2013
Ish Tov ----

You said "Who is giving hispanics honorary white status? The census?".----

Yes.

Also, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in many, many other venues throughout the United States.

In a later post, I'll list these facets.

You said "The elephant in the room is that Mexicans are more Native than anything else".----

Clearly, most Mexicans are mestizos.

You said "The Native reality of this continent is what scares those in power most".----

No.

Indians from this continent do not scare those in power.

Mestizos do not scare those in power.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to non-Hispanic Whites.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

This is why that many public policy initiatives & social engineering policies are in place.

For Hispanics to become the new Whites.

To elevate & advance Hispanics. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

To elevate & advance blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#218 Nov 2, 2013
Ish Tov ----

You said "AA's see them as coming and stepping over them".----

Correct.

You said "and are paranoid that whites are using Hispanics to circumvent blacks".----

True.

But, this is exactly what is happening.

It started as early as 1965.-----

There was VERY much a racial component involved with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

1965 was a year at the HEIGHT of the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.

The Immigration and Nationality Act was passed in 1965, to bring immigrants of color into the United States.

To fill the United States job market with foreign born immigrants of color. IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This put strains upon the African American family unit & community.

This also took A LOT of momentum out of the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.

Another goal & objective of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.----

That foreign born immigrants of color would usurp, undercut, phase out & displace African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#219 Nov 2, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>AA's see them as coming and stepping over them, and are paranoid that whites are “using Hispanics” to circumvent blacks.
__________

Yep. Big time.

In the late 1980s.----

This was the first time that the United States television news media venues & newspaper print outlets first began reporting that Americas non-Hispanic White population went down.

In 1990.---- This was the year of the first public policy initiative & social engineering policy.

From 1990 till now.---- There have been many public policy initiatives & social engineering policies in place. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Primarily to fracture & fragment the African American community.

Since the United States non-Hispanic White population has gone down, Hispanics will have to become the new Whites.

Hispanics are becoming the new Whites.

Also, why blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African American.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time, they will.

Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American community even more.

These are all public policy initiatives & social engineering policies in place.

To counter the non-Hispanic Whites population going down.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#220 Nov 2, 2013
Ish Tov ----

I still have to respond back to a couple of your previous posts which you addressed to me. I'll also list the many different venues where Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

I don't want to get too far ahead in our blog discussion & debate. I'll just wait till you get back.

In the meantime, later.

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#221 Nov 2, 2013
LION wrote:
The best solution is for blacks (AAs) to start creating their (our) own jobs.
We need to stop relying on other races for our survival.
I won't say you're wrong in saying this, and your rap about black banks, but there is a larger picture.

We all need to develop local economy autonomy. It is corporations who are running things, not “other races”. They are F`ing most white people the same as blacks or whomever.

“Our” own jobs, means small businesses, smallholders, as Jefferson expressed it.

In this corporate-controlled economy, there need to be a concerted movement to support the smallholder, the small shop, the family farm, etc.

Concentrating too much on blacks or whichever ethnic group ultimately plays into their “divide-and-conquer” strategy.

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#222 Nov 2, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Ish Tov ----
You said "AA's see them as coming and stepping over them".----
Correct.
You said "and are paranoid that whites are using Hispanics to circumvent blacks".----
True.
But, this is exactly what is happening.
It started as early as 1965.-----
There was VERY much a racial component involved with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
1965 was a year at the HEIGHT of the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.
The Immigration and Nationality Act was passed in 1965, to bring immigrants of color into the United States.
To fill the United States job market with foreign born immigrants of color. IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
This put strains upon the African American family unit & community.
This also took A LOT of momentum out of the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.
Another goal & objective of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.----
That foreign born immigrants of color would usurp, undercut, phase out & displace African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in the United States.
The problem with this analysis is that it leads to anti-immigrant sentiment. The idea that the presence of a non-white immigrant is a threat to AA's is dangerous and can breed more racism, which is the last thing we need in this already racist-enough society.

Also, it is misleading to speak of a group called “hispanics”. That is a bogus designation. Is a blonde Cuban rightwinger the same as a mostly-indigenous brown Mexican farmworker? Not at all. They both speak Spanish, they know what flan is, but that's about it.

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#223 Nov 2, 2013
People need to understand this: the system didn't want to replace black workers because of racism per se. They wanted to have a group they could continue to oppress and exploit in Jim-Crow fashion. Illegal immigrants are perfect for this.

While being black could be used to segregate workers before 1964, after that, blacks being citizens could not be so used. And so, voilà! Undocumented immigrants!

Illegal immigration status is in effect the new Jim Crow.

If you spend time in California, you find out very quickly there is a very distinct ethnic divide between gringos and Mexicans. In that dynamic, quite often blacks are the group being lumped with whites! They are citizens, they speak English, they're “real Americans”. Mexicans are not. The racism is intense. I have experienced this repeatedly and continuously for many years. And it comes from blacks as well as whites.

Let's not forget the generations of racism against and struggle of Mexican people in the SW, which parallels that of AA's in the East/South. They certainly have not been considered "white" over this time, nor are they still today.

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#224 Nov 2, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Ish Tov ----
You said "Who is giving hispanics honorary white status? The census?".----
Yes.
Also, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in many, many other venues throughout the United States.
In a later post, I'll list these facets.
You said "The elephant in the room is that Mexicans are more Native than anything else".----
Clearly, most Mexicans are mestizos.
You said "The Native reality of this continent is what scares those in power most".----
No.
Indians from this continent do not scare those in power.
Mestizos do not scare those in power.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to non-Hispanic Whites.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.
Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.
Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.
But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.
This is why that many public policy initiatives & social engineering policies are in place.
For Hispanics to become the new Whites.
To elevate & advance Hispanics. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
To elevate & advance blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.
AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
See, here the problem is your unfamiliarity with the situation of Mexicans, and even of the reality of their culture and ancestry.

You want to deny they're Native by calling them “mestizo”. But most Native Americans in the USA are “mestizos”! Mexicans have, on the average, more Native blood than most Native Americans from the USA have!

And their culture is mostly Native.

And yes, Nativeness does scare whites and those in power. That's why they're so determined to pretend Mexicans are “Spanish”, so they can negate their legitimacy.

They want them to think their history begins in 1492, not with ancient civilizations and cultures going back 10,000 years.

Notice there is NO Native representative in the UN.

Only AA's threaten power? How could you reach that conclusion, given the intense institutional racism against Mexicans/Central Americans (Nican Tlaca) in the West?

Any group which is systematically expoited is a threat to the system. Blacks, Mexicans, and even white workers when they're marching for the Union. The system fears all of these.

Any analysis of these matters has to focus on economics and class, which are more central to the social structure than "race".

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