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Baltimore, Md.

#1 Oct 1, 2013
Am I mistaken or are there an increasing number of Black REVOLUTIONARY films (or at least films with a revolutionary theme) being made? If so, I hope (maybe in vain, and maybe not) that this is an indication of the re-emergence of REVLOUTIONARY CONSCIOUSNESS.
There was the film "Black Power Mixtape" about a year ago. Now there is "Free Angela Davis and All Political Prisoners". Now a Black colleague in History brings to my attention a movie called "Black August," a film based on the story of George Jackson, Jonathan Jackson and Angela Davis.
When Angela Davis spoke at one HBCU last spring, the auditorium as packed, standing room only. and they were seriously engaged in terms of their questions and responses. she also has drawn croweds at Johns Hopkins University.
Could we be on the verge of a new revolutionary wave, what Angela Davis calls an "historical moment" when momentous change is possible again.
It may be wishful thinking, or maybe something is in the wind.
Perhaps I will be able to keep a promise a made to an imprisoned revolutionary elder of the 60s: "It was not in vain, the sacrifices you made for us. We will keep and spread the legacy until we unleash a revolutionary wave that will make the 1960s look a afternoon tea party."
FREEDOM RISING!!!
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3 Oct 1, 2013
Savant wrote:
Am I mistaken or are there an increasing number of Black REVOLUTIONARY films (or at least films with a revolutionary theme) being made? If so, I hope (maybe in vain, and maybe not) that this is an indication of the re-emergence of REVLOUTIONARY CONSCIOUSNESS.
There was the film "Black Power Mixtape" about a year ago. Now there is "Free Angela Davis and All Political Prisoners". Now a Black colleague in History brings to my attention a movie called "Black August," a film based on the story of George Jackson, Jonathan Jackson and Angela Davis.
When Angela Davis spoke at one HBCU last spring, the auditorium as packed, standing room only. and they were seriously engaged in terms of their questions and responses. she also has drawn croweds at Johns Hopkins University.
Could we be on the verge of a new revolutionary wave, what Angela Davis calls an "historical moment" when momentous change is possible again.
It may be wishful thinking, or maybe something is in the wind.
Perhaps I will be able to keep a promise a made to an imprisoned revolutionary elder of the 60s: "It was not in vain, the sacrifices you made for us. We will keep and spread the legacy until we unleash a revolutionary wave that will make the 1960s look a afternoon tea party."
FREEDOM RISING!!!
__________

You are absolutely correct that there have been more revolutionary African American films made. With a politically left of center revolutionary tilt.

But, will this translate into the United States getting radical left wing revolution?---- Nope.

Even if a radical left wing revolution would happen in the United States.---- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) won't benefit.

Because African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are at the bottom of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.

In years to come, even if Democrats would dominate every branch of the United States government. Even with very large numerical majorities in the House & Senate, these are the respective entities who would benefit.----

1. Non-Hispanic White union leaders.

2. Non-Hispanic White union members.

2. Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) leaders.

4. Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) masses.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) wouldn't benefit. Since African Americans collectively are at the bottom of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.

African Americans numerical listings will be going down way more so in years to come due to all of the many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are being done. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are the United States numerically dominant "minority".


In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.----

1. Non-Hispanic Whites.

2. Hispanics. Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#4 Oct 1, 2013
Savant.----

You have to realise this (With all due respect).----

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to White America.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively ARE a threat to the American System.

This is why many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies are being undertaken. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is why Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

This is why blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in this nation.

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#5 Oct 1, 2013
Gone With The Wind
Birth Of A Nation

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#6 Oct 3, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
You are absolutely correct that there have been more revolutionary African American films made. With a politically left of center revolutionary tilt.
But, will this translate into the United States getting radical left wing revolution?---- Nope.
Even if a radical left wing revolution would happen in the United States.---- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) won't benefit.
Because African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are at the bottom of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.
In years to come, even if Democrats would dominate every branch of the United States government. Even with very large numerical majorities in the House & Senate, these are the respective entities who would benefit.----
1. Non-Hispanic White union leaders.
2. Non-Hispanic White union members.
2. Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) leaders.
4. Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) masses.
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) wouldn't benefit. Since African Americans collectively are at the bottom of the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.
African Americans numerical listings will be going down way more so in years to come due to all of the many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies which are being done. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are the United States numerically dominant "minority".
In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.----
1. Non-Hispanic Whites.
2. Hispanics. Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
It remains to be seen what the future will bring. The mere appearance of these films do not guarantee a revolutionary change in society. Radical change has to be MADE. But often revolutionary changes in the arts and the cultural realm is a foreshadowing of change in the entire social order.
Perhaps we are entering an era in which radical change movements are at least possible again.
The Age of Reagan and conservatism seems to be passing away. Something new, including new popular insurgencies may again on the horizons.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#7 Oct 3, 2013
Savant ----

You said "Radical change has to be MADE".---- Correct.

But, White America will grant only certain concessions.

The federal government will grant only certain concessions.

You said "But often revolutionary changes in the arts and the cultural realm is a foreshadowing of change in the entire social order".----

This did happen in the United States from 1933 till 1964.

But, from 1964 till now.---- This has not happened.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#8 Oct 3, 2013
Savant ----

You said "Perhaps we are entering an era in which radical change movements are at least possible again".----

Well, from 1964 till now.---- The only time in which there was a concerted (Somewhat at this) attempt at a left wing revolutionary movement for change was back in mid September, 2011. The "Occupy Wall Street" (OWS) movement.

The OWS movement went away by mid November, 2011.

The reason why the OWS movement failed, was because there were many, many different left wing factions in the OWS movement. Each & every faction had different goals, objectives & interests. Most of all, different interests.

You said "The Age of Reagan and conservatism seems to be passing away".---- In some sectors in the United States, it is. But, in many, many other sectors in this nation, it isn't.

The Republicans will grant certain concessions to Democrats. To keep the American System intact.

In my next post, I'll list many examples of this.

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Since: Jan 10

United States

#9 Oct 3, 2013
When I read American History, I find Blacks largest Revolutions & Community advancements came BEFORE integration but eventually we all met the same FATE due too our Government.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#10 Oct 3, 2013
Savant ---

Republicans (Especially non-Hispanic White Republicans) will grant certain concessions to Democrats. To keep the American System intact.

Examples of this.----

1. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose a waiting period for gun purchases.

2. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose civil unions for homosexuals, lesbians or transgendered people.

3. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose marriage for homosexuals, lesbians or transgendered people.

4. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose abortion.

5. Republicans don't mind seeing Asians get elevated & advanced in the United States.

6. Most Republicans don't mind seeing Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) get elevated & advanced in the United States.

6. Many Republicans (If not most) don't mind seeing blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations or Africa get elevated & advanced.

Many Republicans (If not most).---- Don't mind making CERTAIN concessions to the Democrats.

To keep the American System intact.

To keep the American System intact at its core.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#11 Oct 3, 2013
Redefined wrote:
When I read American History, I find Blacks largest Revolutions & Community advancements came BEFORE integration but eventually we all met the same FATE due too our Government.
__________

Redefined, you are absolutely correct.

Yes, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) did that.

The African American masses collectively ARE a threat to White America.

The African American masses collectively ARE a threat to the American System.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to White America.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#12 Oct 4, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Savant ----
You said "Radical change has to be MADE".---- Correct.
But, White America will grant only certain concessions.
The federal government will grant only certain concessions.
You said "But often revolutionary changes in the arts and the cultural realm is a foreshadowing of change in the entire social order".----
This did happen in the United States from 1933 till 1964.
But, from 1964 till now.---- This has not happened.
The problem is that you speak of concessions granted by "white America." Two problems. White American is not monlithic. Some franction of white America may also be fighting for radical transformation. Of course, teh whites with the most power are the ones who would presumably be granting or denying "concessions." but for me it's past that. It's time to put them out o business, to create anew society. Perhaps it becomes a question of whether we revolutionaries will grant them concessions. And frankly, I'm not in the mood.
Toward a new radically democratic and cooperative society. Down with plutocracy and racism.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#13 Oct 4, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Savant ---
Republicans (Especially non-Hispanic White Republicans) will grant certain concessions to Democrats. To keep the American System intact.
Examples of this.----
1. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose a waiting period for gun purchases.
2. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose civil unions for homosexuals, lesbians or transgendered people.
3. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose marriage for homosexuals, lesbians or transgendered people.
4. Many Republicans (If not most) won't actively oppose abortion.
5. Republicans don't mind seeing Asians get elevated & advanced in the United States.
6. Most Republicans don't mind seeing Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) get elevated & advanced in the United States.
6. Many Republicans (If not most) don't mind seeing blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations or Africa get elevated & advanced.
Many Republicans (If not most).---- Don't mind making CERTAIN concessions to the Democrats.
To keep the American System intact.
To keep the American System intact at its core.
As for the Republicans, i see them as increasingly irrelevant at best, and an obstruction to progresss at worst. The Democrats are not radically better. Theirs is a concervative "liberalism" since they agree with Republicans in mainntaing the current system of concentrated wealth and power, but with more concessions ("liberal reforms") within that system. But we seek to transcend the system itself. But there are no "progressives" among the Republicans, and among the Democrats you can count them probably on one hand.
But the success of real change, as Fanon observed, lies in the entire order of things being radically changed from the bottom up.
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

London, UK

#15 Oct 4, 2013
just niccuz running wild...........
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#16 Oct 6, 2013
Savant ----

You said "White American is not a monolith".---- In regards to elections in the United States, yes, this is true.

In regards to the supporting, or at the very least not minding the American System, yes, White-Americans are a monolith.

You said "Some fraction of white America may also be fighting for radical transformation".----

Some. But, a very, very miniscule number.

An observation about White left wing anti-racists.---- They are always in a way more dominant position. OVER the people which they claim to represent.

An example.---- White left wing anti-racist activist Tim Wise.---- Tim has made some good points. Especially his points which pertain to stuff which happened decades or generations ago.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#17 Oct 6, 2013
Savant ---- An observation about Tim Wise.----

Throughout the 1980s, Tim was not a left wing anti-racist activist. He was a left wing activist who opposed the United States federal government supporting the Right wing forces in Central America. The Right wing governments of El Salvador, Guatemala & Honduras. The Right wing Nicaraguan rebels, the Contras.

When Nicaraguas civil war ended back in February, 1990. When Violetta Chamorra beat Nicaraguas left wing Sandinista president, Daniel Ortega, in an election.

When El Salvadors civil war ended in 1992.

When Guatemalas civil war ended in 1996.

Tim Wise lost his "cause" as being a left wing activist opposing the federal government supporting the Right wing forces in Central America.

Tim had to find a new "cause". To make money, etc..

Tim then became a left wing anti-racist activist.

This is the premise.---- If Tim was a genuine left wing anti-racist activist, why wasn't Tim this back in the 1980s?

It sure looks like yet another case of a White leftist using African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to make money. To make a career.

To make a career off of the backs of African Americans.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#18 Oct 6, 2013
Savant ----

You said "Of course teh whites with the most power are the ones who would presumably be granting or denying "concessions".---- True.

You said "but for me it's past that, it's time to put them out o business, to create anew society. Perhaps it becomes a question of whether we revolutionaries will grant them concessions".---

Well, left wing revolutionaries do not carry any weight in the United States.

A somewhat move was attempted to change the American System from mid September, 2011 till mid November, 2011. With the Occupy Wall Street protests. The Occupy Wall Street protests failed.

African Americans percentage in the Occupy Wall Street protests.---- Only 1.6%.

I'm sure that a larger percentage of African Americans did support the Occupy Wall Street protests. But, they didn't bother getting involved, because they realised that it would fail.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#19 Oct 6, 2013
Savant ----

You said "As for the Republicans, i see them as increasingly irrelevant at best, and an obstruction to progress at worst. The Democrats are not radically better".---

Your 2 points here.--- I do see your angle.

You said "Theirs is a concervative "liberalism" since they agree with Republicans in mainntaing the current system of concentrated wealth and power, but with more concessions ("liberal reforms") within that system".----

I see your point here.

As what I pointed out in my other previous post on this thread, post #10, that many Republican leaders will grant certain concessions to Democrat leaders. To keep the American System intact.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#20 Oct 6, 2013
Savant ----

You said "But we seek to transcend the system itself".----

With all due respect, I don't see how this can be done. The System is way, way too entrenched.

You said "But there are no "progressives" among the Republicans, and among the Democrats you can count them probably on one hand".---

You are absolutely correct.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#21 Oct 6, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>But the success of real change, as Fanon observed, lies in the entire order of things being radically changed from the bottom up.
__________

Frantz Fanon did state that.

But, what Frantz advocated for, has never been implemented in any nation.

Even on the political left wing, there is a social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.

Nations which had left wing communist governments. Socialist economic systems.---- The communist nations of Eastern Europe.---The former Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Albania, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, East Germany & Poland.

Cubas left wing communist government. Their socialist economic system.

Ethiopias former left wing marxist Derg government. Their socialist economic system.

Angolas & Mozambiques left wing marxist governments. Their socialist economic systems.

Guinea-Bissaus, Burkina Fasos, Ghanas (Under Kwame Nkrumah) & Tanzanias (Under Julius Nyerere) left wing governments. Their socialist economic systems.

Each & every one of these nations claimed that their goal was to end class divisions. To create "equality". To create harmony, unity & utopia.

But, absolutely nothing of the sort happened.

There was a lot of inequality. A lot of ideological & class divisions.

So, even on the political left wing, there are social strata ladders, pecking orders & food chains.

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#22 Oct 7, 2013
Now, I'm in my office. A colleague is supposed to lend men his copy of the dvd BLACK AUGUST, a film about the last days of George Jackson.

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