MOST African Americans are NOT mixed

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#3831 Jun 15, 2013
thing is, no matter what a person's ancestry is. due to all the stuff that has occurred in the past to one's ancestors. be glad you are here. because in some cases, it was very unlikely you would have been alive to this point of time.
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I'm talking the various illnesses that swept through your ancestors lands, the insects that were a part of those illnesses, the land itself being a factor.
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also the fact that childhood mortality was very high for many folks. be it stillbirth, accidents, etc....

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3832 Jun 16, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>As for Nkrumah, your comments show that you are philosophically illiterate. As Nkruman openly advocates for a Marxian philosophical materialism, albeit with his own modifications, then he is philosophical Marxian even if that is not his entire philosophy. But then you and your " panafricanperspetive.com " group are not exactly people whom anyone would take seriously in philosophical scholarship.
Nkrumah was philosophically an theist, not an atheist like Marx. But I realize you are too stupid to know the difference.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3833 Jun 16, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, I don't susbsribe to Negritude, a mainly Francophone Black cultural consciousnesss movement of the 1930s --50s, which mainly exhausted itself by the 1960s. It may have helped to awaken the consciousness of certain African and Caribbean intellectuals, but began to lose its relevance once the open struggle against European colonialism was well underway.
As for Afrocentrism, which wasn't even on the radar until the 1980s, it doesn't even awaken conscious to prepared for a new Movement. I doubt that it has even the transitional erelvance Negritude at once had. At least SOME advocates of Negritue was actively involved later in the fight against colonialism.
Perhaps, you should ASK me where I stand on certain political and cultural matters instead of assuming. Especially when you're ill-nformed on those matters.
N-word-tude died when Sekou Toure told the white man that we prefer liberty in poverty to riches in slavery.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#3834 Jun 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
Nkrumah was philosophically an theist, not an atheist like Marx. But I realize you are too stupid to know the difference.
I am certainly more philosophically knowledgeable than you. And I know that in CONSCIENCISM, Nkrumah operates from the philosophical perspective of materialism; not classicl mechanical materialism of the Enlightenment, but the historical and dialectical materialism. I know that he tries to make some modifications (which I doubt you even noticed): how successful his attempted innovations are, are open to philosopical discussion debate. Unfortunately, your primitive mental level renders you incapable of such discussion and debate. I know that Nkrumah tried to argue in CONSCIENCISM that a god was possible within the pilosophical framework of materialism, but it is debatable whether he or anyone else can substantiate a theism within a materialist framework. If not, then he has a philosophy that is INTERNALLY inconsistent.
Some of his own statements, by the way, raise questions about his own attitude--including his statement thaty "fear created the gods."
You see, Assdurratin, a REAL thinker doesn't just uncritically embrace any philosophical position. NOthing is unquestionly accepted without examination the way you accept (with little understanding) "Nkrumahism." Nkrumah himself was better than that, and it's unfortunate that you cannot at least approximate his standards.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#3835 Jun 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
N-word-tude died when Sekou Toure told the white man that we prefer liberty in poverty to riches in slavery.
Negritude (of which you also seem to be ignorant) wss a cultural movement wich helped to awaken a certain consciousness among Francophone Africans and West Indians, and in some instances was influenced by cultural currents from the Harlem Renaissance.
While it was useful for awhile, it played out once the concrete MOVEMENT took fire. It was the Movement, not some single man, which rendered Negritude politically irrelevant.
But it probably still made artistically imperishable contributions to African, Caribbean and world Literature.
UruEuWauWau

Brazil

#3836 Jun 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Negritude (of which you also seem to be ignorant) wss a cultural movement wich helped to awaken a certain consciousness among Francophone Africans and West Indians, and in some instances was influenced by cultural currents from the Harlem Renaissance.
While it was useful for awhile, it played out once the concrete MOVEMENT took fire. It was the Movement, not some single man, which rendered Negritude politically irrelevant.
But it probably still made artistically imperishable contributions to African, Caribbean and world Literature.
Uh huh, ya see, this is Xactly what I was referrin' to last time. ;-)'Negritude' is not yo' word, was never part of yo' Yank Anglo world. ;-P Y'all hypocrite Yank IViggers tried & still try to hijack our Afro-Latin identity & cultures. ;-) The right word in English would be 'IViggerness', & not L.American 'Negritude'. ;-) Just like 'IVigger' is yo' Yank Anglo identity, whereas 'IVegro'('IVegre' in Franco world) belongs to L.American world. ;-P

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#3837 Jun 17, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh huh, ya see, this is Xactly what I was referrin' to last time. ;-)'Negritude' is not yo' word, was never part of yo' Yank Anglo world. ;-P Y'all hypocrite Yank IViggers tried & still try to hijack our Afro-Latin identity & cultures. ;-) The right word in English would be 'IViggerness', & not L.American 'Negritude'. ;-) Just like 'IVigger' is yo' Yank Anglo identity, whereas 'IVegro'('IVegre' in Franco world) belongs to L.American world. ;-P
The word comes from the French, not English. And the literary, cultural movement known as Negritude originated withing French speaking black communities. That should be common knowledge.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3838 Jun 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I am certainly more philosophically knowledgeable than you. And I know that in CONSCIENCISM, Nkrumah operates from the philosophical perspective of materialism; not classicl mechanical materialism of the Enlightenment, but the historical and dialectical materialism. I know that he tries to make some modifications (which I doubt you even noticed): how successful his attempted innovations are, are open to philosopical discussion debate.
Nkrumah makes effective use of a certain methodology. Methodology s not philosophy or ideology. It is merely a tool. If a carpenter uses a hammer. that does not make him a hammer
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I know that Nkrumah tried to argue in CONSCIENCISM that a god was possible within the pilosophical framework of materialism...
Nkrumah himself was a living substantiation of theism in materialism. So was every other African leader of that time who subscribed to socialism. Not one claimed Marxism. Not one claimed atheism. Had they done so, the Africans would have run their assses out of Africa the same way they ran you and your gang of n-word-tudists out of Africa. My whole point is that Africans will not tolerate that atheistic and agnostic crap that you preach. Africa is the source of theism while Europe is he source of atheism and agnosticism. As an Atheist/agnosticist you may be black on the outside. But you are white on the inside: Oreo. All I am saying is that it is impossible to empower Africans based on European ideologies such as atheism and agnosticism or any other kind of European ism. That is hard concrete reality. But you problem is you live on cloud nine.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>If not, then he has a philosophy that is INTERNALLY inconsistent.
No, fool. The philosophy is theism. The methodology is materialism. As Sekou Toure explains in Revolution and Religion ( http://www.panafricanperspective.com/ture2.ht... ), materialism is not inconsistent with immaterialism. Logically speaking, if everything is a unit of opposites, for every material reality there is an immaterial reality. To be consistent, therefore, a materialist would have to be an immaterialist.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Some of his own statements, by the way, raise questions about his own attitude--including his statement thaty "fear created the gods.
Thank you for at least looking at what Nkrumah actually said, finally. But unfortunately, you re quoting him out of context. The proper context is he can see the problems that Christianity brought to Africa. But that insight did not negate his faith in GOD. For example, Nkrumah was raised as a Roman Catholic. But he saw the contradictions in Catholicism. That did not destroy his faith in GOD. It may have harmed his faith in most fellow Christians. But his faith in GOD remained intact.

So, he sought and received permission fro the priesthood to pray I private. Thereby he remained a Believer without publically endorsing the bad political things that the Catholic Church had done. As I said earlier, he later advocated a secular state in Consciencism. But he never advocated atheism.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>You see, Assdurratin, a REAL thinker doesn't just uncritically embrace any philosophical position. NOthing is unquestionly accepted without examination the way you accept (with little understanding) "Nkrumahism."
I know what Nkrumahism is. But obviously you do not. Besides, what little you do know, you arrogantly reject. That is your real problem: you are against Pan-Africanism not only as manifested in Nkurmahim but also in Garveyism and Booker T Washington and Martin Delaney, and Alexander Crummel and James Meacham, Etc., Etc., Etc. You are against African Freedom. You prefer that we remain slaves and cowards like you.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3839 Jun 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Negritude (of which you also seem to be ignorant) wss a cultural movement wich helped to awaken a certain consciousness among Francophone Africans and West Indians, and in some instances was influenced by cultural currents from the Harlem Renaissance.
While it was useful for awhile, it played out once the concrete MOVEMENT took fire. It was the Movement, not some single man, which rendered Negritude politically irrelevant.
But it probably still made artistically imperishable contributions to African, Caribbean and world Literature.
N-word-tude was nothing but a bunch of confusing crap to divert attention from Kwame Nkrumah and Sekou Toure and Ben Bella and Abd al-Naser. While nit wits were singing and dancing and buck dancing in Senegal, Ivory Coast, etc. Guinea, Ghana and Algeria and Egypt were becoming Free and Independent states.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3840 Jun 17, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh huh, ya see, this is Xactly what I was referrin' to last time. ;-)'Negritude' is not yo' word, was never part of yo' Yank Anglo world. ;-P Y'all hypocrite Yank IViggers tried & still try to hijack our Afro-Latin identity & cultures. ;-) The right word in English would be 'IViggerness', & not L.American 'Negritude'. ;-) Just like 'IVigger' is yo' Yank Anglo identity, whereas 'IVegro'('IVegre' in Franco world) belongs to L.American world. ;-P
Right. That is why I call it n-word-tude. It all about hip hop, rapping, crying the blues and dancing the Tango and grinning to make the white man think slaves are happy to be slaves. LOL!!! That think that makes them cute. That is why I call her a sissy. She is not man enough to pick up a gun and fight in the Liberation Struggle. Or in the case of MLK and Nkyurmah and Gandhi offer non-violent resistance to oppression and exploitation. Those sissy punks are straight up cowards either way you look at them.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3842 Jun 17, 2013
Yep. We were too bust kicking French booty to be singing and dancing and writing poetry and novels and short stories and essays about sex, etc. Things have not changed at all since those glorious days of n-word-tude. Real Africans are still fighting. and Cowards and sissies are still gaming and grinning and pretending. That is the difference between Nkrumahism on the one hand and n-word-tude, "afrocentricity" and cultural nationalism of Karenga/Senghor, etc. and gang on the other hand. That is why we still French domination in Ivory Coast today.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#3844 Jun 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>The word comes from the French, not English. And the literary, cultural movement known as Negritude originated withing French speaking black communities. That should be common knowledge.
thing is, when you translate the word 'Black' into French. it is in that language -'Noir'.
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the base word for 'Negrritude' is from the Spanish Language.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3845 Jun 17, 2013
Let me remind folks of the Struggle against French domination. When the Frecnch first came to West Africa, who offered the firmest and fiercest Resistance while the predecessors to n-word-tude were happily dancing the night (and the day) away? Were it the atheists? Were it the agnostics? Were it the secularists? Were it the liberals? LOL!!! Of course not. It were us poor illiterate and uneducated Muslims all by our lonesome. No help from the Savantias of the world...

Consider H.M. Almamy Samory Toure. H.M. was the grandfather of H.E. Comrade Sekou Toure. Here is an article on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samori_Ture . He kicked a lot of French behind. Notice his Islamic attire.

I mention this so that people can get a clear image of what this debate is really all about. Samory Toure and Sekou Toure are the personalities that have inspired the African Revolution from early on. Keep in mind that that is francophone West Africa. Often you will see Samori Toure with papers in his hands: http://www.ivoiremonde.tv/news/une_article1.p... . It is safe to say that that was either The Quran or Passages from The Quran. Those West Africans were resisting the encroachment of French Christianity because they were devout Muslims. Make no mistake about it. So, he was not writing any hip hop hits for the n-word-tude so-called movement.

And as I said earlier, his grandson H.E Comrade Sekou Toure was born with resistance in his blood. When he was still in grade school he got caught saying something against French rule. So, the French kicked him out of school. He went home and studied in the Islamic Madrassa and got a real education. Thus, Sekou Toure became one of the foremost intellectuals in the French language for the entire century. Few have written more about the African Revolution in French. I have translated a few pages from his writings and speeches. But much, much more work is yet to be done. Since Savantia is so much of an expert in the French language, I am sure she would be very happy to help the African Revolution by translating more of Sekou Toure's works into English. That would make her famous and worthwhile. She might even say it is part of the "great cultural movement called n-word-tude."

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3846 Jun 17, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
thing is, when you translate the word 'Black' into French. it is in that language -'Noir'.
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the base word for 'Negrritude' is from the Spanish Language.
Yeah. Whether it is "noir" or that other n-word, it is still an n-word. So I just call it n-word-tude. If I put two G's in it, they will complain to Topix and have me flagged for using the n-word. LOL!!! Pathetic!!!

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3847 Jun 17, 2013
Notice how quiet Savantia gets when I call her lying bluff. Some times I think she really is dumb enough to think I know less than she knows. She comes in here with her high sounding lies about how great n-word-tude was. But when I show that it was nothing but a cowardly and dishonest farce meant to confuse people, SILENCE. I bet she thought she had us all confused thinking that n-word-tude was somehow better than Nkrumahism. What an idiot she is!

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#3848 Jun 17, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Notice how quiet Savantia gets when I call her lying bluff. Some times I think she really is dumb enough to think I know less than she knows. She comes in here with her high sounding lies about how great n-word-tude was. But when I show that it was nothing but a cowardly and dishonest farce meant to confuse people, SILENCE. I bet she thought she had us all confused thinking that n-word-tude was somehow better than Nkrumahism. What an idiot she is!
if you are referring to me. remember this. some of us do NOT live on Topix. some of us have stuff to do away from the computer. some of us do have a life away from the computer. as in making sure our families are taken care of.
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plus I was referring to the language that some words are from.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#3849 Jun 17, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
if you are referring to me. remember this. some of us do NOT live on Topix. some of us have stuff to do away from the computer. some of us do have a life away from the computer. as in making sure our families are taken care of.
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plus I was referring to the language that some words are from.
No, no, no. I was referring to that she, that sissy thing. She always has plenty to say in terms of calling everybody less intelligent and less educated than she is. But when facts proves otherwise, she disappears. Then she pops up as soon as she thinks it safe as if, I can hurt her over the internet. I cannot hurt, bu the truth can.

I am talking about Savantia.

I too have better things to do. But I have her hooked now. So, I am going to show everybody just how ignorant, cowardly and stupid she is. The best way is to give her enough rope to hang herself. She has plenty now. So every time she makes a move, I have got her.
UruEuWauWau

Brazil

#3850 Jun 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>The word comes from the French, not English. And the literary, cultural movement known as Negritude originated withing French speaking black communities. That should be common knowledge.
& ya couldn't be more wrong, again, dude. ;-) The French word 'negritude' is a portmanteau of French 'IVegre'+'attitude'. & dude comin' up w/ this combination was originally a F.Caribbean student in France, in other words, a L.American, like it or not. ;-D But to make it even more simple, French word 'IVegre' comes directly (through Occitan) from Spanish & Portuguese word 'IVegro', however Italian word 'IVegro' doesn't come from either Spanish or Portuguese. ;-) Now, Anglo/English word 'IVigger' comes from French 'IVegre', & it's influenced by the old Latin word 'IViger'. ;-D In other words, y'all should really stick to the word 'IVigger' which is absolutely the same as the L.American word 'IVegro'(Italian included, & French havin' IVegre). ;-) & personally, I also dun like seein' this Yank BS tendency of usin' Latin/Romance gender endings nouns like Latino/a, Filipino/a, when English is basically a genderless lang. ;-D

Lili4
Level 2

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#3851 Jun 17, 2013
Nah, we don't call ourselves IVigger because that word is very derogatory. I don't really like negro that much either because it's too old-fashioned. I just say black.
UruEuWauWau

Brazil

#3852 Jun 18, 2013
Lili4 wrote:
Nah, we don't call ourselves IVigger because that word is very derogatory. I don't really like negro that much either because it's too old-fashioned. I just say black.
But the point stays, babes. ;-)'IVegro' & 'IVigger' is Xactly the same thing, w/ the same meanin', just in diff. langs. ;-D In Anglo world it's 'IVigger', in Latin/Romace world it's 'IVegro'/'IVegre'/'IViger'. ;-) Thos who dun like to be called 'IViggers', should avoid usin''IVegro' as well, those who dun mind bein' called 'IVegros', shouldn't complain bein' called 'IViggers' as well. ;-) However, many Yank IViggers call themselves like that, only try to play on spellin', like in case of 'IVigga', which is Xactly the same as 'IVigger'. ;-D & not to mention that Yank IVigger Jay-Z dun mind bein' called 'Jigga'/'Jigger'(another portmanteau, J+IVigger). Just sayin', no biggie & all good. On the EC most L.American Hispanics call Yank IViggers simply 'prietos', which is literally 'black' or 'very dark-skinned'. Bsos! ;-)

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