Same-Sex Marriage - Why Deny Equal Rights?

[Alex Rod]

Marriage provides 1,049 federal, state protections, benefits, and responsibilities.

These are just a few of the many rights that are denied to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender families.

Can someone explain to me why gays don't deserve these rights?

*Access to social security after spouse's death.
*Access to health insurance through spouse's workplace.
*The right to custody of the children after a divorce.
*Visitation rights for non-biological children.
*Joint parents rights, such as access to children's school records.
*Bereavement leave after death of a spouse.
*Burial determination after the death of a spouse.
*Domestic violence intervention.
*Sick leave to care for spouse or non-biological child.
*Legal validation of a long-term relationship.
*Ability to live in neighborhoods deemed "families only".
*Access to life insurance in spouse's workplace.
*Access to survival benefits in case of emergency.
*Access to spouse's crime victims recovery benefits.
*Ability to file wrongful death claims.
*Right to shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce.
*Ability to file joint home and auto insurance policies.
*Joint rental leases with automatic renewal rights if spouse dies or leaves.
*Access to adopting children.
*Automatic inheritance of shared assets after spouse's death.
*Automatic inheritance of retirement savings tax-free after spouse's death.
*Automatic exemption of property tax increases on shared assets gained after spouse's death.
*Ability to file joint tax returns.
*Access to tax breaks for married couples.
*Veterans discounts based on spouse's armed forces status.
*Assumption of spouse's pension after death.
*Ability to file joint bankruptcy.
*Ability to collect unemployment benefits after leaving a job to relocate because of spouse's job move.
*Ability to transfer property from one spouse to another without transfer tax consequences.
*Access to fostering children.
*Automatic next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions and hospital visitation status.
*Immigration and residency priority for spouses from other countries.
*Ability to invoke spousal privledge in a court of law.
*Access to reduced rate memberships at health clubs, social clubs, organizations.
*Prison visitation rights.

[MDJ]

Are you serious? I never knew denial of those rights existed. They can't explain it and they won't. Same sex marriages, in America is not acceptable. Society views same sex marriages as immoral. Same sex marriages should have the same exact rights as heterosexual marriages. Clearly, that's discrimination to a group of people based on sexual orientation.

[Proud To Be White]

MDJ wrote:

Are you serious? I never knew denial of those rights existed. They can't explain it and they won't. Same sex marriages, in America is not acceptable. Society views same sex marriages as immoral. Same sex marriages should have the same exact rights as heterosexual marriages. Clearly, that's discrimination to a group of people based on sexual orientation.

That is exactly right! It is wrong to deny rights to people based on sexual orientation.
Plus, gays and lesbians are discriminated against every day and the least they could do is give them these rights.

[The Comedian]

Anyone who's been married a few years already knows...the sex is ALWAYS the same!!

[The Caucasian]

Can YOU explain why they SHOULD?

[And finally The Callous]

Because they're NOT married, they're "shacking up", and only CALLING it marraige so they can demand the rights of actually married couples.
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation:'mer-ij,'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/marriage

[MDJ]

Proud To Be White wrote:

<quoted text>
That is exactly right! It is wrong to deny rights to people based on sexual orientation.
Plus, gays and lesbians are discriminated against every day and the least they could do is give them these rights.

Exactly! What's the big deal.

[AquaCityBoy]

Personally, I believe that marriages shouldn't be recognized by the state at all--what, two people's union isn't legit 'cause the government says so?
You should be allowed to choose a beneficiary and that should be the end of it.

[Alex Rod]

actually and finally the callous millions of committed gays and lesbians have been together for many years. one couple who married in Mass has been together for 50 years! you call that just shacking up?

52% of heterosexuals end in divorce, that sounds more shacking up like.

[pussycatt0411]

This is where I think that the government minds other peoples business too much. I don't think it's right to tell any person who they can marry whether it is based on race, creed, color, or sex. Who cares if they are gay? Let them marry if that's the person that is going to make them happy. Who is anyone to deny someone's happiness? Give them the same rights as any other marriage. The government should be worried about many more things than who is marrying who. That's there problem now, they are always in somebody else's business. Go catch criminals, or fix the economy, sh*t like that. That's why we can't end the war now, yeah I agree to catch Bin Laden and fry his @$$, but then MIND YOUR BUSINESS!!! We are the UNITED STATES, NOT IRAQ, IRAN, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. LET THE REST OF THE WORLD FIX THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. The only thing I agree with is trying to help proverty in other countries, but everything else, stay neutral. Oooops, I got off subject a little.

[Alex Rod]

marriage has evolved over time.

polygamy used to be the norm.
than women were seen as property.
and now marriage is a financial contract/love

so marriage is constantly being redefined

[justmeagain]

the Original ohReally wrote:

<quoted text>A traditional marriage is between a man and a woman. Anything different is a perversion of the original. Call it what you like, but two of the same sex are not "married" not matter how long they cohabitate. Demanding to have these unions recognized as "marriages" is nothing more that a ploy to enjoy the rights and benefits afforded to normal traditional couples, which they do NOT deserve because they are NOT the same as married couples. They are in "love", they are "committed" they have "relationships", fine....but there are NOT "married".
It's right there in the literal, as opposed to the LIBERAL, definition of the word...."two people of the OPPOSITE sex in a union..."

i hear you, but it has to pretty awful to be with someone 20 years and not have that recognised in any shape or form. I ve heard gay couples talk how they are discriminated against at some of the most sensitive points in their lives e.g Loss . They cant follow any wishes of their loved one & families have come and took away everything from the home those people built together. It seems inhumane to treat people that way and discriminate even on their death bed.

[alex rod]

it is inhumane especially in a country that says freedom and dignity for all and champions itself on civil rights.

[Pce up atwn dwn aka jette]

pussycatt0411 wrote:

This is where I think that the government minds other peoples business too much. I don't think it's right to tell any person who they can marry whether it is based on race, creed, color, or sex. Who cares if they are gay? Let them marry if that's the person that is going to make them happy. Who is anyone to deny someone's happiness? Give them the same rights as any other marriage. The government should be worried about many more things than who is marrying who. That's there problem now, they are always in somebody else's business. Go catch criminals, or fix the economy, sh*t like that. That's why we can't end the war now, yeah I agree to catch Bin Laden and fry his @$$, but then MIND YOUR BUSINESS!!! We are the UNITED STATES, NOT IRAQ, IRAN, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. LET THE REST OF THE WORLD FIX THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. The only thing I agree with is trying to help proverty in other countries, but everything else, stay neutral. Oooops, I got off subject a little.

i agree, as long as i dont get hit on i dont have to hit on anyone else:)

[Writing in Paradise]

the Original ohReally wrote:

<quoted text>A traditional marriage is between a man and a woman. Anything different is a perversion of the original. Call it what you like, but two of the same sex are not "married" not matter how long they cohabitate. Demanding to have these unions recognized as "marriages" is nothing more that a ploy to enjoy the rights and benefits afforded to normal traditional couples, which they do NOT deserve because they are NOT the same as married couples. They are in "love", they are "committed" they have "relationships", fine....but there are NOT "married".
It's right there in the literal, as opposed to the LIBERAL, definition of the word...."two people of the OPPOSITE sex in a union..."

I don't understand your point of view at all. Are you afraid someone's going to make you marry another man or something?

[Writing in Paradise]

Alex Rod wrote:

marriage has evolved over time.
polygamy used to be the norm.
than women were seen as property.
and now marriage is a financial contract/love
so marriage is constantly being redefined

Exactly. We've redefined the word "marriage" many times. It's time for another. Gay people should be able to marry each other.

[Writing in Paradise]

MDJ wrote:

Are you serious? I never knew denial of those rights existed. They can't explain it and they won't. Same sex marriages, in America is not acceptable. Society views same sex marriages as immoral. Same sex marriages should have the same exact rights as heterosexual marriages. Clearly, that's discrimination to a group of people based on sexual orientation.

That's why civil union isn't good enough. Marriage grants over 1000 rights and privileges. Civil Unions grant less than 60.

Further, other countries recognize marriages by default. Even our country, where gay marriage is banned, will recognize a gay married couple from a place like Israel while they visit here.

Almost no countries recognize civil unions.

[alex rod]

marriage is universal, if a couple gets a civil union, domestic partnership, or something another country may not recognize or know what that is.

[Furtaker]

Alex Rod wrote:

Marriage provides 1,049 federal, state protections, benefits, and responsibilities.
These are just a few of the many rights that are denied to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender families.
Can someone explain to me why gays don't deserve these rights?
*Access to social security after spouse's death.
*Access to health insurance through spouse's workplace.
*The right to custody of the children after a divorce.
*Visitation rights for non-biological children.
*Joint parents rights, such as access to children's school records.
*Bereavement leave after death of a spouse.
*Burial determination after the death of a spouse.
*Domestic violence intervention.
*Sick leave to care for spouse or non-biological child.
*Legal validation of a long-term relationship.
*Ability to live in neighborhoods deemed "families only".
*Access to life insurance in spouse's workplace.
*Access to survival benefits in case of emergency.
*Access to spouse's crime victims recovery benefits.
*Ability to file wrongful death claims.
*Right to shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce.
*Ability to file joint home and auto insurance policies.
*Joint rental leases with automatic renewal rights if spouse dies or leaves.
*Access to adopting children.
*Automatic inheritance of shared assets after spouse's death.
*Automatic inheritance of retirement savings tax-free after spouse's death.
*Automatic exemption of property tax increases on shared assets gained after spouse's death.
*Ability to file joint tax returns.
*Access to tax breaks for married couples.
*Veterans discounts based on spouse's armed forces status.
*Assumption of spouse's pension after death.
*Ability to file joint bankruptcy.
*Ability to collect unemployment benefits after leaving a job to relocate because of spouse's job move.
*Ability to transfer property from one spouse to another without transfer tax consequences.
*Access to fostering children.
*Automatic next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions and hospital visitation status.
*Immigration and residency priority for spouses from other countries.
*Ability to invoke spousal privledge in a court of law.
*Access to reduced rate memberships at health clubs, social clubs, organizations.
*Prison visitation rights.

All you gotta do is draw a will you can whatever you want to to your partner. Marriage is between a male and a female and same sex couple are perverted according to both christians and molslems alike . No this not discriminating , marriage has always been between a man and a woman since the beginning of civilization. It's against nature same sex couple cannot biologically have offspring by their partners and if you get your way it will further cripple the now already in trouble social security benfits. I for one suggest you read Romans chapter 1 verses 27-29 about abominations. No same sex should not be able to marry or have civil unions either .

[Furtaker]

Proud To Be White wrote:

<quoted text>
That is exactly right! It is wrong to deny rights to people based on sexual orientation.
Plus, gays and lesbians are discriminated against every day and the least they could do is give them these rights.

Gays and lesbians are perverts , they live an unnatural lifestyle. You don't ride thru the countryside and see bulls blowing each other. "Dumb animals" don't do it , why just humans? When one lives an alternate lifesyle and flaunts it publicly they will encounter some opposition . Frankly I don't care to see two guys walking along with their hand down the other's britches and the other likewise. And these bull daggers that try to look mannish but can't precreate are likewise sickening.