Abraham Lincoln was half black. WHHH...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#331 Jun 12, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeff, haplogroups are NOTHING more than traces of migrations out of AFRICA. To confirm a haplogroup, SNP testing must be administered. Check out your link big dawg, is Enoch and Abraham Enloe's haplogroups in red or green?
You are full of it as usual. Haplogroups trace ones geographical migrations. There are Haplogroups that arose OUTSIDE of Africa so they wouldn't be tracing any migrations out of Africa since they never existed in Africa. STR testing can give predictions for haplogroups and even sub-clades. Enoch and Abraham Enloe's haplotypes are identical to Hendricks Enloes, dingleberry. I'll seat back and see if you can figure out WHAT that means. I won't hold my breath, cause you've proven to be a novice when it comes to genetics.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#332 Jun 12, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeff, haplogroups are NOTHING more than traces of migrations out of AFRICA. To confirm a haplogroup, SNP testing must be administered. Check out your link big dawg, is Enoch and Abraham Enloe's haplogroups in red or green?
very true. it is how they found out that President Jefferson's ancestry came from the Middle East
.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/... The presidential chromosome turns out to belong to a rare class called 'K2', which is found at its highest frequency in the Middle East and Eastern Africa, including Oman, Somalia and Iraq. Its closest match was in a man from Egypt.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#333 Jun 12, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
very true. it is how they found out that President Jefferson's ancestry came from the Middle East
.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/... The presidential chromosome turns out to belong to a rare class called 'K2', which is found at its highest frequency in the Middle East and Eastern Africa, including Oman, Somalia and Iraq. Its closest match was in a man from Egypt.
No its not true because Haplogroup K2 originated in Asia, NOT Africa. It spread from there into Europe and Africa.

"K2-M70 is believed to have originated in Asia after the emergence of the K-M9 polymorphism (45–30 ky)(Underhill et al. 2001''a''). "
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_20...

From the article you provided:

"..while they may have been present in Europe since the Stone Age, another possibility is that K2s came to Europe with the Phoenicians, an ancient maritime trading culture that spread out across the Mediterranean from their home in what is now Lebanon. The US media has taken up a different theory, leading to the New York Times headline,'Jefferson -- the first Jewish president?': European K2 chromosomes may originate in Sephardic (Spanish) Jewish populations, who have their ultimate origins in the Middle East."
Mike

Merrimack, NH

#334 Jun 12, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
very true. it is how they found out that President Jefferson's ancestry came from the Middle East
.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/... The presidential chromosome turns out to belong to a rare class called 'K2', which is found at its highest frequency in the Middle East and Eastern Africa, including Oman, Somalia and Iraq. Its closest match was in a man from Egypt.
"K2" (not even called that anymore) has been in Europe before the Stone Age.

And since that article, more research has been done. That links him not to the Middle East in anything resembling modern history an but to a more ancient European mutation:

http://www.familytreedna.com/PDF/MendezHumBio...

"Previous analysis of the descendants of Thomas Jefferson revealed that Jefferson’s Y chromosome carries the M70 mutation (King et al. 2007). A phylogenetic network based on eight Y-STR loci showed that Jefferson’s haplotype was most closely related to an Egyptian haplotype. However, the observation that two of 85 unrelated British men with the Jefferson surname shared the same haplogroup with the descendants of Thomas Jefferson was considered more consistent with a scenario in which Jefferson’s Y chromosome
was part of a very rare European lineage.

To further elucidate the paternal ancestry of Jefferson’s Y chromosome we compared the Virginia-Jefferson 12-locus Y-STR haplotype with our data.

No matches were found when the following loci were used: DYS19, DYS388, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS437, DYS438, DYS439, and DYS460. All closely-related haplotypes (n  18, three to six steps removed from Jefferson’s haplotype) carried the derived state at PS21 and the ancestral states at P77, P317,
P321, and P330. These eighteen haplotypes were found among Egyptians (n 5), Jews from different countries (n  7), Europeans (n  2), Turks (n  1), Syrians (n  1), Jordanians (n  1), and a single African American (data not shown). We infer that Jefferson’s Y chromosome belongs to T1a*. Similar to a
Figure 2. Median-joining haplotype network T chromosomes based on 24 Y-STRs (see text). The position of 9 Y-SNPs is denoted by cross-hatches. Y-STR haplotypes are represented by circles with an area that is proportional to the number of individuals with that haplotype.
Branch lengths are proportional to the number of one-repeat mutations separating each haplotype. In this Network Egyptians are grouped within Near Easterners.
50 / MENDEZ ET AL.
previous analysis based on eight Y-STR loci (King et al. 2007), our network links Jefferson’s haplotype to two Egyptian haplotypes. However, a single German haplotype is also found in the same cluster, and as mentioned above, T1a*
haplogroups in Europe likely reflect older gene flow."

CONCLUSION:

"The affiliation of the Jefferson haplotype to T1a* and the absence of closely related haplotypes (zero to two step mutations away) in the network supports the hypothesis that this haplotype belongs to an ancient rare European Y-chromosome lineage rather
than to lineages that recently migrated to Europe from the Near East."

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#335 Jun 12, 2013
people from Abrahams day said he had African blood in his veins and they made fun of him for this...

argue with all those dead people!!!
Jeff

Natick, MA

#336 Jun 12, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
people from Abrahams day said he had African blood in his veins and they made fun of him for this...
argue with all those dead people!!!
BS. No one from Abrahams day said he had African blood in his veins. So sorry no evidence that Lincoln had any African blood, cause he did not, but plenty of evidence of Lincoln's European blood.
Rofl

Chicago, IL

#337 Jun 12, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
BS. No one from Abrahams day said he had African blood in his veins. So sorry no evidence that Lincoln had any African blood, cause he did not, but plenty of evidence of Lincoln's European blood.
They called him Abraham "Africanus" Lincoln.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#338 Jun 12, 2013
Rofl wrote:
<quoted text>
They called him Abraham "Africanus" Lincoln.
That was done satirically because some believed Lincoln made a pact with the Devil. Please learn what satirically means.

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#339 Jun 12, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
BS. No one from Abrahams day said he had African blood in his veins. So sorry no evidence that Lincoln had any African blood, cause he did not, but plenty of evidence of Lincoln's European blood.
http://www.library.illinois.edu/blog/digitize...

this will hurt but it will be ok!!! LOL!!!

“Obsidian Princess”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#340 Jun 12, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
BS. No one from Abrahams day said he had African blood in his veins. So sorry no evidence that Lincoln had any African blood, cause he did not, but plenty of evidence of Lincoln's European blood.
http://moorishsociety.com/2012/04/09/abraham-...

now you can die a second death, LOL!!!
lmao

Bowie, MD

#341 Jun 12, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
what I am finding is that the Melungeon ancestry was NOT thru Abe's dad. but thru his mother Nancy Hanks Lincoln.
.
also, other Melugeons have shown up. like Steve Martin in fact one being a cousin of Ole Abe. and that is the actor Tom Hanks.
.
remember that there was reasons why unfortunately anti-IR marriage laws between White women and Black men ended up being placed on the books. to the point that the laws made any White woman who had relations with a Black man into a permenent slave as well. this started back in 1661. before that, IR marriages were not criminalized.
.
and why some of the ancestors of today's folks started to lie about their ancestry. Which is why there are White folks who are now just finding out that they have a Black great great grandpa in the family tree. or even a great great grandma as well.
.
http://www.millennialstar.org/part-viii-sepha... The stereotypical Melungeon has Mediterranean features, is tall, olive skinned, with straight or kinky dark hair. Occasionally some members have blue eyes. Over time, the more European-looking Melungeons intermarried with Western Europeans; darker -skinned Melungeons assimilated into Black communities, while others identified themselves as Amerindian.
.
http://suite101.com/article/who-are-the-melun...
The actor Tom Hanks is Melungeon. Isn't it interesting that he is related to Abraham Lincoln!
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#342 Jun 12, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.library.illinois.edu/blog/digitize...
this will hurt but it will be ok!!! LOL!!!
What hurts is the fact that you actually aren't educated enough to realize what you are reading it. They weren't claiming Lincoln was an 'African', dinglberry, but they were using satyr to claim Lincoln made a deal with the devil with the whole Emancipation Proclamation. The whole 'Africanus' claim was made sarcastically wise where some Democrats where cracking jokes that the Republicans intend to change the name of the United States to the ”New Africa” because of the Emancipation Proclamation, you dingleberry. Now go learn about sarcasm means because it obviously escapes you.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#343 Jun 12, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
http://moorishsociety.com/2012/04/09/abraham-...
now you can die a second death, LOL!!!
" http://moorishsociety.com "? BWAHAHAHA!! You can't get any more foolish then posting those idiots as your 'source'. Nah, you'd probably die a second death before I do given you have no clue what you are talking about.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#344 Jun 12, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
The actor Tom Hanks is Melungeon. Isn't it interesting that he is related to Abraham Lincoln!
Tom Hanks is not a Melungeon, and Hanks genetics also show him and his family to be of European ancestry. Sorry no 'African' ancestry in there. Man you people are pathetic. lol!
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/HanksDNAP...

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#345 Jun 12, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
The actor Tom Hanks is Melungeon. Isn't it interesting that he is related to Abraham Lincoln!
very much so.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#346 Jun 12, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
very much so.
Very much NOT so. And Still no comment from you about the idiotic claims that Native Americans are of 'West African' ancestry, I see. Yeah, you exposed your true Afrocentric colors, troll.
Mike

Merrimack, NH

#347 Jun 12, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
The actor Tom Hanks is Melungeon.
Wahahaha, what??

What are you babbling about now?
lmao

Bowie, MD

#348 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Sub Sahara Africa carry's R1b at LESS then 20% and its NOT even the same sub-clade as that found in Europeans, while Europe carry the European R1b at over 70%, so sorry but your Sub Saharan Africans carry your P2N Eb1a at the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup and not the R1b which is NOT even the same clade as the one Europeans carry. I said before that you have no understanding of genetics and you've proved me correct.
I understand perfectly that haplogroups are NOTHING more than migrations OUT OF AFRICA that took place tens of thousands of years ago. You got your panties wet over a R haplogroup? Newsflash, it to is nothing more than a way for one to trace migrations out of AFRICA tens of thousands of years ago. So what that it MUTATED in ASIA. It all came from Y-Chromosomal ADAM, like all modern humans did. That R Haplogroup that you cling to so dearly is just like a door knob, everybody has had it's turn with it, for tens of thousands of years! There's nothing hard to understand about that. You dare to be smug when you discuss matters about the original people of this earth, when the topic of discussion only goes to prove that modern Europeans are nothing more than a mutt race of people.
Lastly, Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincolns mother, do you have any information about possible haplotypes for her father on your link? No one seems to know who this man was!
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#349 Jun 13, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand perfectly that haplogroups are NOTHING more than migrations OUT OF AFRICA that took place tens of thousands of years ago. You got your panties wet over a R haplogroup? Newsflash, it to is nothing more than a way for one to trace migrations out of AFRICA tens of thousands of years ago. So what that it MUTATED in ASIA. It all came from Y-Chromosomal ADAM, like all modern humans did. That R Haplogroup that you cling to so dearly is just like a door knob, everybody has had it's turn with it, for tens of thousands of years! There's nothing hard to understand about that. You dare to be smug when you discuss matters about the original people of this earth, when the topic of discussion only goes to prove that modern Europeans are nothing more than a mutt race of people.
Lastly, Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincolns mother, do you have any information about possible haplotypes for her father on your link? No one seems to know who this man was!
You do not understand anything especially genetics. Haplogroups trace geographical migrations and there are haplogroups that arose OUTSIDE of AFRICA that are NOT African, so they are NOT NOTHING more than migrations OUT OF AFRICA since they did not even EXIST in Africa, hence why Haplogroup R is NOT considered an African haplogroup. Haplogroup R did not just MUTATED in ASIA it AROSE in Asia, its ancestor is Haplogroup P ALSO NOT African since it did NOT arise in Africa, and ITS ancestors is haplogroup MNOPS ALSO NOT African since these markers did NOT arise in Africa, hence why Haplogroup R is NOT considered as an 'African' haplogroup by scientists, it did NOT arise there and did not exist there also why its NOT common in Africans, "P2N lover". Go learn about genetics, please, before trying to talk about haplogroups.

So now you are back at trying to claim Lincolns maternal grandfather as the suppose 'black' African one? Wow lets see, you fools have made BOTH his grandfathers, his father, and now his mother into an 'African'...gee with all these "African ancestors' in Lincolns lineage its a wonder he has ANY European lineages...</sarc> You're jumping all over the place with this. Delusional Afrocentrics, Lincoln did not have any African ancestry and the fact that clowns around here have fictionally tried to turn every single family member in his family line into 'African' when NO evidence exist that ANY of them were African proves not only how desperate you all are but that he did not have any African lineage.
lmao

Bowie, MD

#350 Jun 13, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not understand anything especially genetics. Haplogroups trace geographical migrations and there are haplogroups that arose OUTSIDE of AFRICA that are NOT African, so they are NOT NOTHING more than migrations OUT OF AFRICA since they did not even EXIST in Africa, hence why Haplogroup R is NOT considered an African haplogroup. Haplogroup R did not just MUTATED in ASIA it AROSE in Asia, its ancestor is Haplogroup P ALSO NOT African since it did NOT arise in Africa, and ITS ancestors is haplogroup MNOPS ALSO NOT African since these markers did NOT arise in Africa, hence why Haplogroup R is NOT considered as an 'African' haplogroup by scientists, it did NOT arise there and did not exist there also why its NOT common in Africans, "P2N lover". Go learn about genetics, please, before trying to talk about haplogroups.
So now you are back at trying to claim Lincolns maternal grandfather as the suppose 'black' African one? Wow lets see, you fools have made BOTH his grandfathers, his father, and now his mother into an 'African'...gee with all these "African ancestors' in Lincolns lineage its a wonder he has ANY European lineages...</sarc> You're jumping all over the place with this. Delusional Afrocentrics, Lincoln did not have any African ancestry and the fact that clowns around here have fictionally tried to turn every single family member in his family line into 'African' when NO evidence exist that ANY of them were African proves not only how desperate you all are but that he did not have any African lineage.
Haplogroup A is the African macrohaplogroup from which ALL modern haplogroups descend. ALL HAPLOGROUPS Jeffrey. That's cut and dry and simple. You can say I don't understand genetics as many times as you see fit but NOTHING is going to change the fact that HAPLOGROUP A, from AFRICA, is the marcrohaplogroup from which all modern haplogroups descend. ALL OF THEM!
And what's up with the insanity on your part that because people are debating Abe Lincoln and him being a Melungeon that somehow there is a desparate attempt to make him black? No one here is desperate to make Abe black idiot. It was dumb a$$ white people who called him that to begin with, question your own peoples desperation! You peckerwoods really got some nerve!
And there is nothing wrong with covering all bases. So I ask you again genetics expert, do you have any information about Abe's mothers father? And if you do, could you please post that, because from what I have been reading no one knows who this man is!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

African-American Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 2 min TSM 1,236,637
the moors were black africans not arabs!!! (Jun '08) 5 min Ingwe Temujin 33,718
Van Sertima debunked! Afronazis Drowning in Tears! 6 min UruEuWauWau 710
Selina, do Somoli 13 min selina london 3
News Best Poverty Cure: Escape From Baltimore 13 min Big Knob 19
brothas, is the fact that women prefer wm makin... 14 min Griff Izlaan 25
80% of whtie women cheat on their white husband... (Jul '14) 15 min trish_b 150
Hebrew Israelite (Feb '11) 25 min African AE 121,153
Sweden is the model country for whites 33 min selina london 60
All women prefer white men 2 hr trish_b 4,896
White men are better lovers? 2 hr Guest 155
The White Man Is The Devil.........Really! 3 hr Go Blue Forever 82
More from around the web