Promising black women face barriers, study says

Like many other Americans, black women desire to be leaders in corporate America. Full Story
Robert

Arlington, VA

#28 Aug 22, 2007
Justice wrote:
So who do you think brings the drugs into society, we sure don't, we don't owe the majority of the plants, nor land to produce it. True, it's not totally the white mans fault, but the white man sure is not innocent. Regardless if people want to believe it or not we are all living within conditioning, over the years the shape, size and color of it may change but it's still conditioning. Until WE ALL are able to accept and admit that, nothing will change. We're all to blame, the human race; black people/African Americans (whichever you prefer) are at fault for not breaking through these mental barriers, while white people/Europeans are at fault for placing these barriers upon black people from the beginning. Let's be real here, any other ethnic group of people can migrate to Amerika and get more respect then black people and black people are the back bone of this Amerikan civilization. The article speaks the truth whether or not we all are willing to admit it. I live through it everyday; my friends with different career paths live with it everyday.
...and to ohReally, Rosie O D didn't label herself as an "angry black racist", you did. Now I'm telling you to get a clue!!! One more thing, white folks do the same amount of dirt as black people do, the only difference is white people...that you should know, so let's um...think about it. The man controls your weak mind.
Demand and supply. White people buy, blacks sell and Hispanics traffic and Singaporeans will try and hang all three.
Robert

Arlington, VA

#29 Aug 22, 2007
Justice wrote:
So who do you think brings the drugs into society, we sure don't, we don't owe the majority of the plants, nor land to produce it. True, it's not totally the white mans fault, but the white man sure is not innocent. Regardless if people want to believe it or not we are all living within conditioning, over the years the shape, size and color of it may change but it's still conditioning. Until WE ALL are able to accept and admit that, nothing will change. We're all to blame, the human race; black people/African Americans (whichever you prefer) are at fault for not breaking through these mental barriers, while white people/Europeans are at fault for placing these barriers upon black people from the beginning. Let's be real here, any other ethnic group of people can migrate to Amerika and get more respect then black people and black people are the back bone of this Amerikan civilization. The article speaks the truth whether or not we all are willing to admit it. I live through it everyday; my friends with different career paths live with it everyday.
...and to ohReally, Rosie O D didn't label herself as an "angry black racist", you did. Now I'm telling you to get a clue!!! One more thing, white folks do the same amount of dirt as black people do, the only difference is white people...that you should know, so let's um...think about it. The man controls your weak mind.
Sorry, Hispanic trafficks, black man is the middle man and white man is the consumer...and the Chinese people from Singapore to China hang all of them..and now that is justice.
rOGER

Elizabeth, NJ

#32 Aug 22, 2007
I'm not so sure about the race card. Sure everyone is trying to use it but really, come on. Especially for a woman to move up in corporate america- it's really hard- not because of the colour, but mainly because of the demands on the job. It's harder for a married woman to take on the responsibilities to being a housewife/CEO unless they want to lose out on the time spent not being with the children/husband ect. Sure men do it all the time but society has trained them that they are the bread winners and the women who are with them accept this. I doubt it if men are so willing if it's the other side of the coin.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing for women, it's just you have to expect to risk losing more than what you bargain for- it's ok to have the title and make it but I think corporate thinks that mainly women will not be able to handle the expectations of the 9-9 job and just back out of it later and then corporate will have to rush to fill the void which can take time so I honestly don't really believe it's a race thing.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#33 Aug 22, 2007
Electric Sol wrote:
@Truth shall set u free
...As for the people ranting about afrim action, get your facts in order. Go to any govt website especially the dept of labor and you will plainly see that caucasian women have been the greatest beneficiaries of afrim action policies and programs. The overwhelming majority of all executive level positions in private and publicly held corporations are held by white males....
Because possibly the people chosen for those positions are actually the better choice? Oh, this couldn't POSSIBLY be the reason, could it? The fact that they studied harder in school, because they couldn't get "THE PASS". Or they built up their resume with ACTUAL experience, instead of fluffy little govmnt jobs.
When presented the choice between a successful minority vs. a so-so white dude, try to convince me that they would actually choose the person that will be of no benefit to them.
Persia

Brooklyn, NY

#34 Aug 22, 2007
MsBFry wrote:
Continued...
3. To my surprise the most common problem that I have seen hold women of all colors back, is their physical beauty. Iíll refer to a beautiful black, female dentist. Sheís stunning! She told me that everyone in her life told her she should do nothing but model. She was too pretty for this/that. She didnít belong in corporate America or anything for that matter. That is the hold back. If you are beautiful, you do get positive advantages, but believe me the disadvantages are just as grave. You will have to deal with people thinking that because you are a beautiful woman that you are stupid and donít have much common sense. That you arenít capable to do a job. You will have to prove that you are more than a sex symbol. You will have to deal with people feeling the need to tell you what they think about your appearance or constantly putting that on blast in front of others. You will always be considered as snobby (until someone truly gets to know you) just because of your appearance. Men make this even worse and I wonít even harp about that. In reality 9:10 women I see in power are mediocre looking. I have never seen a Barbie doll woman in power. Is she not capable or are there other stereotypes that go along with that? I donít think this applies for men, I can be wrong though. So honestly I think that it has a lot to do with your attitude, appearance and intellect. If one is lacking, you probably will fight barriers regardless of your race.
Let me please clarify this---yes, I am a firm believer that racism does exist and just has a new face. I also believe that it is up to individuals as to how much they let that bother them. Iíll put it like this, you can call me every name in the book and treat me however you want to because of my proud black background. But you will not refuse me a job, pay me less or disrespect me because of it. So far in my young life I have been blessed.
You are so true!!! I have heard that on every interview, especially when white women are the interviewer, "Why don't go into modeling?" "Why do you want to be here in Marketing" "You should be in fashion" It makes me so mad that they think a beautiful black women should just be for eye candy! I shoot back those industries do not have the level of professionalism and integrity that I am looking to make a career out of! It is double hard for beautiful black women, you have to work a millions time harder to prove to "these" people that yes I am intelligent, friendly and beautiful.
bryan

New Palestine, IN

#35 Aug 22, 2007
New Day wrote:
<quoted text>
It's really sad that you are so sad. Boo Hoo to you!
thank you
Onlooker

Indianapolis, IN

#38 Aug 22, 2007
bryan wrote:
black females have have special status in the workplace. all they have to do is claim racism and presto, they get the promotion. i've seen it happen too many times, quality, production and customer service go down the drain but the company gets a tax break. the really sad part is that truley capable and qualified people either get fired or have to work for this caricature of a professional.
Are you speaking of just ONE case or is this EVERY black female?
Very Black

Indianapolis, IN

#39 Aug 22, 2007
Persia wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so true!!! I have heard that on every interview, especially when white women are the interviewer, "Why don't go into modeling?" "Why do you want to be here in Marketing" "You should be in fashion" It makes me so mad that they think a beautiful black women should just be for eye candy! I shoot back those industries do not have the level of professionalism and integrity that I am looking to make a career out of! It is double hard for beautiful black women, you have to work a millions time harder to prove to "these" people that yes I am intelligent, friendly and beautiful.
I am a student. I look for part-time jobs. I get this inane answer as to why they really can't use me,but... or I get the thing about you're too qualified for this position. They will hire the next person behind me to do salads, fry,etc.
I know that I am beautiful. What does that have to do with a part time temporary job?
dps dude

Peoria, IL

#40 Aug 22, 2007
bryan wrote:
black females have have special status in the workplace. all they have to do is claim racism and presto, they get the promotion. i've seen it happen too many times, quality, production and customer service go down the drain but the company gets a tax break. the really sad part is that truley capable and qualified people either get fired or have to work for this caricature of a professional.
This is so true. Corporate needs to make the numbers and then they hire the minority. I cannot tell you how many times I have had to bail out the management minority - both male and female. And they scream - you do not respect us! Respect is earned! Respect is earned through knowing your job and of those you supervise ,common sense, and work! I see this daily!!!
Robert

Arlington, VA

#43 Aug 22, 2007
Sown Oats wrote:
<quoted text>
Because possibly the people chosen for those positions are actually the better choice? Oh, this couldn't POSSIBLY be the reason, could it?
Based on result of some of the prominent corporations the answer is no. The US airline industry is the prime example and dont give me the crap that the market is bad. It is not. Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Virgin Atlantic all manage to run profits even during global recession. Something is wrong with the picture is n't it? Then we have the US auto corporations. Toyota, Honda and Volkswagen continue to make profits by building cars that American consumers want, and these executives of the US corporations dont even know what their kind want? Great meritocracy. If indeed this is the best we have, we need more skilled immigration and H1Bs, not less.
Sown Oats wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that they studied harder in school, because they couldn't get "THE PASS". Or they built up their resume with ACTUAL experience, instead of fluffy little govmnt jobs. When presented the choice between a successful minority vs. a so-so white dude, try to convince me that they would actually choose the person that will be of no benefit to them.
The auto and airline industries already have.
Robert

Arlington, VA

#44 Aug 22, 2007
Persia wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so true!!! I have heard that on every interview, especially when white women are the interviewer, "Why don't go into modeling?" "Why do you want to be here in Marketing" "You should be in fashion" It makes me so mad that they think a beautiful black women should just be for eye candy! I shoot back those industries do not have the level of professionalism and integrity that I am looking to make a career out of! It is double hard for beautiful black women, you have to work a millions time harder to prove to "these" people that yes I am intelligent, friendly and beautiful.
White women will not allow black women to succeed in modelling either..take a look at this piece...

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/fashion/s...

And read this quote..

"While publishers remain convinced that white women won't buy a magazine with a black woman on the cover, it is going to take more than a model with a reputation for having a bit of a temper to change their minds."
Robert

Arlington, VA

#45 Aug 22, 2007
Opie and Anthony wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop whining monkey...if it weren't for the white man you'd still be in the jungle hunting elephants with spears and wearing twigs out of your lip.
Go back to McDonalds and serve me bitch.
If it weren't for Julius Ceaser you guys will still be living in the caves of Germany and practising human sacrifice and cannibalism and your white women would be running around naked...and yes inbreeding.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus...
Robert

Arlington, VA

#46 Aug 22, 2007
dps dude wrote:
<quoted text>
This is so true. Corporate needs to make the numbers and then they hire the minority. I cannot tell you how many times I have had to bail out the management minority - both male and female. And they scream - you do not respect us! Respect is earned! Respect is earned through knowing your job and of those you supervise ,common sense, and work! I see this daily!!!
I cannot tell you how many times the American public have had to bail out the incompetent white male run American airline industry - only male though. And they scream - you do not respect us! Respect is earned! Respect is earned through knowing your job and by common sense, and work and results! We see this white male incompetence daily in the American airline industry and yes in the American auto industry. No one incompetent minorities want their share!!!

Since: Aug 07

United States

#47 Aug 22, 2007
tarzan wrote:
go figure. also facing many barriers are asians, whites, mexicans, sweedish, germans.. business is a dog eat dog world. boo hoo. its not just black women who face difficult hurdles. lets face it, a real business man/women should know that business doesent revolve around color or sex soley. thats just an excuse used to point blame for not reaching goals. If anything black women have an advantage as a minority. They qualify for more programs than the regular joeÖ.cry me a river.
This study was based on "Black Women" because this is an African American forum!!!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#48 Aug 22, 2007
The posters on this topic are clearly exposing the obvious reasons as to why certain people, including them, have trouble securing positions.
1) They think they DESERVE the position.
2) Nobody could POSSIBLY be chosen for the position, other than them. Unless, of course, there was prejudice involved.
3) The chip on their shoulder about being a female & black has blinded them to the fact that the employer is looking for the MOST qualified individual that makes for a good fit in the company. So of course when they are not chosen for the position, the deflation of their ego is unbearable, so out comes the race card. Something they are obviously comfortable with.
By the way; What do you say to the white women who were also turned down for the position?
Persia

New York, NY

#49 Aug 22, 2007
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
White women will not allow black women to succeed in modelling either..take a look at this piece...
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/fashion/s...
And read this quote..
"While publishers remain convinced that white women won't buy a magazine with a black woman on the cover, it is going to take more than a model with a reputation for having a bit of a temper to change their minds."
I read this and unfortunately, it was not shocking at all. I have dabbled in the fashion industry and I am from NY so I also am able to pull a couple of contacts to go to the shows at Bryant Park. 2 years ago I was almost about to get signed to Wilhimina Model Agency Plus Size , when the scout said they already have 1 black model that "looks like me" The world has not changed. White women will never admit that they are keeping our exotic beauty out of their world. If Naomi can't get on the cover of Vogue, the England Version than what the hell was I thinking!!! Sad but true reality!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#50 Aug 22, 2007
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on result of some of the prominent corporations the answer is no. The US airline industry is the prime example and dont give me the crap that the market is bad. It is not. Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Virgin Atlantic all manage to run profits even during global recession. Something is wrong with the picture is n't it? Then we have the US auto corporations. Toyota, Honda and Volkswagen continue to make profits by building cars that American consumers want, and these executives of the US corporations dont even know what their kind want? Great meritocracy. If indeed this is the best we have, we need more skilled immigration and H1Bs, not less.
<quoted text>
The auto and airline industries already have.
Our corporations have been hamstrung by the almighty unions. These are the unions that long ago brought into being the regulations we have today regarding hours, OT, time off, etc. BUT, a few decades ago, there was a gradual shift into offensive mode: "Bring down the big guy". So, in order to keep enough money in the coffers to constantly defend themselves from every grievance that any union worker could dream up, the quality of goods had to suffer, in order to even stay afloat in the world market.
American manufactures have had to build into the cost & take away from quality for years now because of the rampant, out of control unions, and litigations from minorities who felt even the least bit slighted. It is no wonder that foreign companies not only have their leg in the door; but also have kicked it completely open.
straightshooter

San Francisco, CA

#51 Aug 22, 2007
rOGER wrote:
I'm not so sure about the race card. Sure everyone is trying to use it but really, come on. Especially for a woman to move up in corporate america- it's really hard- not because of the colour, but mainly because of the demands on the job. It's harder for a married woman to take on the responsibilities to being a housewife/CEO unless they want to lose out on the time spent not being with the children/husband ect. Sure men do it all the time but society has trained them that they are the bread winners and the women who are with them accept this. I doubt it if men are so willing if it's the other side of the coin.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing for women, it's just you have to expect to risk losing more than what you bargain for- it's ok to have the title and make it but I think corporate thinks that mainly women will not be able to handle the expectations of the 9-9 job and just back out of it later and then corporate will have to rush to fill the void which can take time so I honestly don't really believe it's a race thing.
No in this case its a sexism thing!
Sexist comments comming from a typical black man.
how do I know thst your black because most black men believe that most women are incompetent.
Robert

Arlington, VA

#52 Aug 22, 2007
Sown Oats wrote:
<quoted text>
Our corporations have been hamstrung by the almighty unions. These are the unions that long ago brought into being the regulations we have today regarding hours, OT, time off, etc. BUT, a few decades ago, there was a gradual shift into offensive mode: "Bring down the big guy". So, in order to keep enough money in the coffers to constantly defend themselves from every grievance that any union worker could dream up, the quality of goods had to suffer, in order to even stay afloat in the world market.
American manufactures have had to build into the cost & take away from quality for years now because of the rampant, out of control unions, and litigations from minorities who felt even the least bit slighted. It is no wonder that foreign companies not only have their leg in the door; but also have kicked it completely open.
And all those unions and union bosses including the filthy rich upper class pilot unions are headed by white males...agreed!
Robert

Arlington, VA

#53 Aug 22, 2007
Persia wrote:
<quoted text>
I read this and unfortunately, it was not shocking at all. I have dabbled in the fashion industry and I am from NY so I also am able to pull a couple of contacts to go to the shows at Bryant Park. 2 years ago I was almost about to get signed to Wilhimina Model Agency Plus Size , when the scout said they already have 1 black model that "looks like me" The world has not changed. White women will never admit that they are keeping our exotic beauty out of their world. If Naomi can't get on the cover of Vogue, the England Version than what the hell was I thinking!!! Sad but true reality!
Not very surprising. In Singapore where I lived for nearly three years, white women constantly complain about the Asian women and how they attract white men...I mean all the time!!

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