“Freedom”

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#215 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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America is ruled by the majority. This is the foundation principle and concept of Americanism. The majority race decided to have a feminist movement. The majority race decided to have a sexual revolution. The minority groups therefore have no choice but to conform to the adaptations both of those movements produced. There can be cultural flexibility and lagitude..but because of the force of those movements, there can't be much.
You can look at the minority cultures in this country and see the adaptations and the conformance. It's very visible. Now what some minority groups were better at doing was controlling the information enough to still maintain some cultural dignity. Imo, blacks did the poorest job of controlling the information...mostly due to lack of protection from a bombardice of information because of low family ties and bonding.
If the MAJORITY rule, The civil rights movement would NOT have been necessary. So are saying African Americans should have conformed to this?? What is ur belief on this??

“Freedom”

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#216 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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But they still see themselves as one overall group when faced with another group. That's all you need to exist genetically as a race. They also all adhere to a certain standard which doesn't undermine the genetic group.
There is no greater difference between two groups of people than the African model and the European model of culture and race traditions and flexibility within.
Naturally tho we as Humans Identify with each other by culture/traditions/values as oppose to race. Yes they see each other as race when they live around non-Blacks who are racist. Than it's now ur Black 1st. That's how we begin identifying with each other. So do think this is taught or do we naturally see race in multiracial societies because many people believe we are all taught to see race.

“dreams”

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#217 Jun 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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If the MAJORITY rule, The civil rights movement would NOT have been necessary. So are saying African Americans should have conformed to this?? What is ur belief on this??
Majority rules not just on race..although this is usually the most significant because race is tied to culture..if not tied to culture than it's tied to genetics.

But the civil rights movement had to happen due to economics--separation was very bad for business..which is why the civil rights movement was only a call for social justice (as opposed to a total change in the political, judicial and economic structure). The majority did in fact want social civil rights...it cleared the path for all groups (homosexuals for example).

Imo, blacks should have never made their race/genetics a civil right. Being black isn't a civil right.
Get real

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#218 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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Black is race and culture..(just like Italians are culture and ethnicity)...In order to exist, we must survive as a race first. Culture can be adjusted through our need to survive within the majority and the country is fully capable and willing to allow a great deal of flexibility in culture building and retention (I believe).
Conformance isn't really a choice. We must conform to the standard. We can only survive as a race through conformance so conformance must also be embedded in to the culture as well. If we continue, race wise, to non conform, we will continue to die (slowly). Teaching non conformance is not the way to go. Non conformance has a direct impact on quality of life.
Black is a race but , there are many different cultures with in the Black race. For example African Americans, and Africans are both Black , however they have different cultures. Africans have many beautiful cultures.
African American culture is in part from our African roots and the many other cultures that we have come in contact with in America.

However, one thing I want to state is that Ghetto and Thug culture are not Black culture.(I am not implying you stated this)

“Freedom”

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#219 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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Majority rules not just on race..although this is usually the most significant because race is tied to culture..if not tied to culture than it's tied to genetics.
But the civil rights movement had to happen due to economics--separation was very bad for business..which is why the civil rights movement was only a call for social justice (as opposed to a total change in the political, judicial and economic structure). The majority did in fact want social civil rights...it cleared the path for all groups (homosexuals for example).
Imo, blacks should have never made their race/genetics a civil right. Being black isn't a civil right.
So what do you think Blacks should have done differently than a civil rights movement?? It seems like ur saying the civil rights movement was a benefit for non-Blacks.

“Freedom”

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#220 Jun 22, 2013
Get real wrote:
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However, one thing I want to state is that Ghetto and Thug culture are not Black culture.(I am not implying you stated this)
Agree! These cultures are the result of urban decay and didn't evolve from our African roots. These cultures have been implanted into African American Culture through our music.

“dreams”

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#221 Jun 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Agree! These cultures are the result of urban decay and didn't evolve from our African roots. These cultures have been implanted into African American Culture through our music.
We can only know this if it is found those of the black culture didn't contribute to the thug culture.

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#222 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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America is ruled by the majority. This is the foundation principle and concept of Americanism. The majority race decided to have a feminist movement. The majority race decided to have a sexual revolution. The minority groups therefore have no choice but to conform to the adaptations both of those movements produced. There can be cultural flexibility and lagitude..but because of the force of those movements, there can't be much.
You can look at the minority cultures in this country and see the adaptations and the conformance. It's very visible. Now what some minority groups were better at doing was controlling the information enough to still maintain some cultural dignity. Imo, blacks did the poorest job of controlling the information...mostly due to lack of protection from a bombardice of information because of low family ties and bonding.
Dreams, you are simplistic in your understanding of how America and the world works. The MAJORITY rules nothing in this country nor the world! What you are speaking of is the theoretical intent of the founding fathers, but in reality, the truth is much different. Even with our voting system for president....The electoral college...the majority rule is not reflected; ask Al Gore. The electoral College can overrule the voice of the majority anytime they so desire.

Beyond this, America is ruled by a small minority of the RULING ELITE, not the majority. America is ruled by the Bond Market that sets the interest rates that then filters it way through the system to affect your car and credit card payments. America is ruled by the Legislative branch that works in the service of Corporate interest and in the preservation of the wealth of the few....not the majority. Which is why your son will be sent abroad to fight on behalf of the Israelis or for the profits of Mobil or Exxon.

The majority are sheep, programmed to follow and execute the dictates of their herders. This is done through the systemic mediums of the MEDIA and EDUCATION. This is where the views of the MAJORITY are shaped and formed. This is where they are taught that "AMERICA IS NUMBER 1," and that "blacks are innately inferior" and that "MANIFEST DESTINY was their divine right." And you advocate that we surrender or subordinate what little culture that remains to us to THIS?

Black is my color, my culture is my belief system of morals, obligations, duties etc.,; separate and distinct in form from my color. You are thus suggesting, that I defer to the Majority, white America, to ascribe to me these things, to the exclusion of my people (our culture) that acts in our collective group interest. You are simply parroting what you have been taught to parrot with little to no critical thinking or reflections about what you are saying.

And once again, THE MAJORITY RULES NOTHING, for if this was so, we would probably still be slaves and our "unalienable rights" given by the constitutions would be subject to the capricious whims of the MAJORITY.

I'll leave you with the words of one of the greatest Tyrants of our times......Joseph Stalin, who said: " He who cast the votes decides nothing; but he who COUNTS the vote decides EVERYTHING."

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#223 Jun 22, 2013
A Ghetto culture is easy to create: Systemically deprive them of a quality education and the corresponding economic opportunities; deny them access to capital to build business or to amortize the acquisition of a home, which then, confines them to crowed living spaces with others similarly afflicted and crime and moral degeneration will ensue fighting over the remaining scraps left to them. It's difficult to maintain MORAL RECTITUDE on an empty stomach.

This concepts is transferable and can be duplicated anywhere in the world and is not born out of any deficit inherent to blacks.

“dreams”

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#224 Jun 22, 2013
Get real wrote:
<quoted text> Black is a race but , there are many different cultures with in the Black race. For example African Americans, and Africans are both Black , however they have different cultures. Africans have many beautiful cultures.
African American culture is in part from our African roots and the many other cultures that we have come in contact with in America.
However, one thing I want to state is that Ghetto and Thug culture are not Black culture.(I am not implying you stated this)
Ghetto and Thug culture would have to show clear lines from black culture in order for it not to be considered a part of black culture. This means those blacks who are claiming no affiliation to ghetto and thug culture would have to show they didn't contribute to it --in any way.

“dreams”

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#225 Jun 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Naturally tho we as Humans Identify with each other by culture/traditions/values as oppose to race.
There is nowhere in the world where you can say culture/traditions/values aren't also tied to race.
Redefined wrote:
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Yes they see each other as race when they live around non-Blacks who are racist. Than it's now ur Black 1st. That's how we begin identifying with each other. So do think this is taught or do we naturally see race in multiracial societies because many people believe we are all taught to see race.
How can you be taught to see what is visible to the eyes? Most of the world is not a multiracial society...not even the U.S. is multiracial. It is a society which has other races in it.

“Freedom”

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#227 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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We can only know this if it is found those of the black culture didn't contribute to the thug culture.
Thug Culture is the result of urban decay. Many thugs/gangs were around during The great depression but they were all dismantled by the government. They made no impact on American culture other than becoming popular on the movie scene.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/dillinger/people...

What you are implying is that Black culture has always been a mix of gang & African elements which isn't TRUE. PLZ read upon African American culture and you will see there was NEVER any criminal element.

“Freedom”

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#228 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
<quoted text> There is nowhere in the world where you can say culture/traditions/values aren't also tied to race.
<quoted text> How can you be taught to see what is visible to the eyes? Most of the world is not a multiracial society...not even the U.S. is multiracial. It is a society which has other races in it.
Of course culture/traditions/values is tied to race but what I'm asking is if all races shared the same culture/traditions/values, would racial background become MORE of a factor when selecting a mate. If this is the case, it would mean we all see each other as racial groups as oppose to the human race like many claim we all are.

“dreams”

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#229 Jun 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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So what do you think Blacks should have done differently than a civil rights movement?? It seems like ur saying the civil rights movement was a benefit for non-Blacks.
Because the civil rights movement was mostly about social tolerance, I don't know if blacks should have made it about THEM to begin with. Being black is not a civil right.

Also, from my understanding, plenty of blacks living back then thought blacks should have not made race a front and center issue during that movement.

“dreams”

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#230 Jun 22, 2013
RU4 - EEL wrote:
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Sorry, but that's inaccurate.
List of 27 States Suing Over Obamacare
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/01/17/list-of-s...
27 is more than half of 50. Everyone knows this country did not want obamacare, and ONE MAN forced it through all by his lonesome.
America WAS ruled by the majority.
Liberalism and "progress" Changed that.
Good point. However, the majority will certainly make sure Obamacare becomes impractical. What's on paper means nothing if the majority doesn't agree (which is why the minority can't rule over the majority).

“Freedom”

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#231 Jun 22, 2013
RU4 - EEL wrote:
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Sorry, but that's inaccurate.
List of 27 States Suing Over Obamacare
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/01/17/list-of-s...
27 is more than half of 50. Everyone knows this country did not want obamacare, and ONE MAN forced it through all by his lonesome.
America WAS ruled by the majority.
Liberalism and "progress" Changed that.
So you admit there is injustice within' our system since many of you are blind this until you are affected.

“dreams”

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#232 Jun 22, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
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Dreams, you are simplistic in your understanding of how America and the world works. The MAJORITY rules nothing in this country nor the world! What you are speaking of is the theoretical intent of the founding fathers, but in reality, the truth is much different. Even with our voting system for president....The electoral college...the majority rule is not reflected; ask Al Gore. The electoral College can overrule the voice of the majority anytime they so desire.
The electoral college almost always goes with the majority (or at least tries to sway the majority to the middle toward complacency)...there would be too much chaos if the majority were simply ignored and not given favor. There would be no point in having a majority if it meant absolutely nothing. Majority rules is the founding principle of this country..and world...this is fact.
Cogito2 wrote:
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Beyond this, America is ruled by a small minority of the RULING ELITE, not the majority. America is ruled by the Bond Market that sets the interest rates that then filters it way through the system to affect your car and credit card payments. America is ruled by the Legislative branch that works in the service of Corporate interest and in the preservation of the wealth of the few....not the majority. Which is why your son will be sent abroad to fight on behalf of the Israelis or for the profits of Mobil or Exxon.
The majority are sheep, programmed to follow and execute the dictates of their herders. This is done through the systemic mediums of the MEDIA and EDUCATION. This is where the views of the MAJORITY are shaped and formed.

This is where they are taught that "AMERICA IS NUMBER 1," and that "blacks are innately inferior" and that "MANIFEST DESTINY was their divine right."
Agree that the majority are ultimate sheeps..however, one doesn't consider themselves a sheep if they agree with the ruling class. If you just so happen to agree with the standard, the rules etc..you are not then a sheep. At that point, you are simply following your own belief and willing to do what it takes to keep that belief system in place.

It simply doesn't matter what one teaches..the person, the individual must also believe it in order for it to continue to exist.
Cogito2 wrote:
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And you advocate that we surrender or subordinate what little culture that remains to us to THIS?
It's not surrender sir. Why do you and Redefined CONFORMANCE as surrender?? Adaptation is the surrender..not the conformance. The adaptation happened long before you and I were thought to be born. At this point, we are conforming to the adaptation (if we have any sense that is).
Cogito2 wrote:
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Black is my color, my culture is my belief system of morals, obligations, duties etc.,; separate and distinct in form from my color. You are thus suggesting, that I defer to the Majority, white America, to ascribe to me these things, to the exclusion of my people (our culture) that acts in our collective group interest.
Do you have proof that the black culture exists and is then working on your behalf?
Cogito2 wrote:
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You are simply parroting what you have been taught to parrot with little to no critical thinking or reflections about what you are saying.

And once again, THE MAJORITY RULES NOTHING, for if this was so, we would probably still be slaves and our "unalienable rights" given by the constitutions would be subject to the capricious whims of the MAJORITY.
Sir, the majority ended slavery.
Cogito2 wrote:
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I'll leave you with the words of one of the greatest Tyrants of our times......Joseph Stalin, who said: " He who cast the votes decides nothing; but he who COUNTS the vote decides EVERYTHING."
Spoken like a true tyrant.

“dreams”

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#233 Jun 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Thug Culture is the result of urban decay. Many thugs/gangs were around during The great depression but they were all dismantled by the government. They made no impact on American culture other than becoming popular on the movie scene.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/dillinger/people...
What you are implying is that Black culture has always been a mix of gang & African elements which isn't TRUE. PLZ read upon African American culture and you will see there was NEVER any criminal element.
I believe you misunderstood my post. My point was the only to PROVE thug culture isn't a part of black culture is to prove those of the black culture have not contributed to the thug culture.

“dreams”

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#234 Jun 22, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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So you admit there is injustice within' our system since many of you are blind this until you are affected.
Isn't there injustice within every system?

“Freedom”

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#235 Jun 22, 2013
berriesgalore wrote:
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Because the civil rights movement was mostly about social tolerance, I don't know if blacks should have made it about THEM to begin with. Being black is not a civil right.
Also, from my understanding, plenty of blacks living back then thought blacks should have not made race a front and center issue during that movement.
Being an American Citizen is indeed a Civil right.

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