I see why people don't believe AIDS...

I see why people don't believe AIDS...

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#1 Feb 5, 2014
Exist. I mean not to make light of the disease but they used to act like the whole world was dyingnof AIDS but yet no population has suffered as a result of AIDs death. Like 10 years ago they had me thinking that half of all Africans would die thanks toAIDs but not only were there no such mass death but the population has increased. It often seems like AIDS hysteria is much to do about nothing.

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#2 Feb 5, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
Exist. I mean not to make light of the disease but they used to act like the whole world was dyingnof AIDS but yet no population has suffered as a result of AIDs death. Like 10 years ago they had me thinking that half of all Africans would die thanks toAIDs but not only were there no such mass death but the population has increased. It often seems like AIDS hysteria is much to do about nothing.
That a queer way to look at things. Stop doing whatever you do to spread AIDS. That is the solution. And I think the penalties need a lot higher for people who spread AIDS.

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#3 Feb 5, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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That a queer way to look at things. Stop doing whatever you do to spread AIDS. That is the solution. And I think the penalties need a lot higher for people who spread AIDS.
I am not excusing peolle with AIDS or denying the repurcussions of a promiscous, careless sex life but why aren't people dying from the deadly disaese.
Cyrus

Manassas, VA

#4 Feb 5, 2014
The only thing you need to see is a psychiatrist you deranged crakkka.
Unbiased Opinion

Tampa, FL

#5 Feb 5, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>I am not excusing peolle with AIDS or denying the repurcussions of a promiscous, careless sex life but why aren't people dying from the deadly disaese.
People aren't dying at the predicted rate because we know more and the meds are better...it can still kill...especially as the meds are very expensive and not everyone ha access to them...despite WHITE charities paying shedloads of money for them to stem the death-rate in Africa.

Then of course in the civilized White countries we're more literate and have had campaigns that made people more aware of it...personally, to me, anyone who goes out f ucking people they do not know the complete history of, deserve everything they get...including chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea, crabs etc ALL preventable illnesses...and let's not forget unwanted pregnancies...

It is no laughing matter to get the disease, it is a vigorous routine of taking many drugs and lifestyle changes...and you can still die, there is definitely not just one AIDS...

If you people weren't eating and f ucking monkeys, the disease would never have crossed the mammal divide...zoonosis should have protected use from SIV.

Personally, I think that folks who get ill from it - who were not raped - have only themselves to blame, I wouldn't pay one cent to help them out, their unprotected promiscuous lifestyle was their choice, why the hell should I be paying for it?

Maybe we shouldn't treat it at all, and eventually the message will either get through or the fools who go for casual sex with complete strangers will die out...both suits me...

There's enough people out there dying from shit like cancer that didn't ask for that illness...let's spend the money of them.

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#6 Feb 5, 2014
Unbiased Opinion wrote:
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People aren't dying at the predicted rate because we know more and the meds are better...it can still kill...especially as the meds are very expensive and not everyone ha access to them...despite WHITE charities paying shedloads of money for them to stem the death-rate in Africa.
Then of course in the civilized White countries we're more literate and have had campaigns that made people more aware of it...personally, to me, anyone who goes out f ucking people they do not know the complete history of, deserve everything they get...including chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea, crabs etc ALL preventable illnesses...and let's not forget unwanted pregnancies...
It is no laughing matter to get the disease, it is a vigorous routine of taking many drugs and lifestyle changes...and you can still die, there is definitely not just one AIDS...
If you people weren't eating and f ucking monkeys, the disease would never have crossed the mammal divide...zoonosis should have protected use from SIV.
Personally, I think that folks who get ill from it - who were not raped - have only themselves to blame, I wouldn't pay one cent to help them out, their unprotected promiscuous lifestyle was their choice, why the hell should I be paying for it?
Maybe we shouldn't treat it at all, and eventually the message will either get through or the fools who go for casual sex with complete strangers will die out...both suits me...
There's enough people out there dying from shit like cancer that didn't ask for that illness...let's spend the money of them.
I agree I would definitely prefer to pay for cancer than the preventable AIDS.

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#7 Feb 5, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>I am not excusing peolle with AIDS or denying the repurcussions of a promiscous, careless sex life but why aren't people dying from the deadly disaese.
I do not know what planet you live on. But I see people dying from it EVERY day. Read the obituaries. Look for someone age 35 who died from a bad cold. That is AIDS. But keep are embarrassed by it. When they die, their families say stupid stuff like "He died from a bad cold." The son of a local publisher died like that. The family was so humiliated and embarrassed o have homosexual in the family ,that no one even knew they had a son. Nobody ever heard of him living in Greenwich Village. When he died from ADS, somebody called them to come and pick up his dead body. Surprise!!! We had a son that we never told y'all about. But he's dead now (Thanks GOD)

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#8 Feb 5, 2014
I do not care if a person 99 1/2 years old. If he is HIV positive, he died of AIDS. If he was not HIV positive, he may have lived to be 110 years old. So he cut 10 years off his life by engaging in anal sex. There is no way around it.

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#9 Feb 5, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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I do not know what planet you live on. But I see people dying from it EVERY day. Read the obituaries. Look for someone age 35 who died from a bad cold. That is AIDS. But keep are embarrassed by it. When they die, their families say stupid stuff like "He died from a bad cold." The son of a local publisher died like that. The family was so humiliated and embarrassed o have homosexual in the family ,that no one even knew they had a son. Nobody ever heard of him living in Greenwich Village. When he died from ADS, somebody called them to come and pick up his dead body. Surprise!!! We had a son that we never told y'all about. But he's dead now (Thanks GOD)
Yeah true but this still doesn't happen in massive numbers. But I do realize the symptoms are very painful.
KIP

San Francisco, CA

#10 Feb 5, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>I am not excusing peolle with AIDS or denying the repurcussions of a promiscous, careless sex life but why aren't people dying from the deadly disaese.
Probably because new treatments for HIV have been developed to help stop it from becoming AIDS. There has been significant more awareness about the disease. You can see ads for medication, counseling, and treatment in many underground subway stations in the Bay Area.

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#11 Feb 5, 2014
sassyntrashy wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah true but this still doesn't happen in massive numbers. But I do realize the symptoms are very painful.
EVERY male homosexual eventually dies of AIDS. No exceptions. By age of 30, 30% are HIV positive. By age of 40, 40%, By the age of 50% so on and so forth. I think the percentages get worse as they get older. But virtually all of them die from it. A lot of times they have not been diagnosed HIV positive and die of pneumonia. They have pneumonia because they have AIDS.

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#14 Feb 5, 2014
KIP wrote:
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Probably because new treatments for HIV have been developed to help stop it from becoming AIDS. There has been significant more awareness about the disease. You can see ads for medication, counseling, and treatment in many underground subway stations in the Bay Area.
So now I guess people die of HIV, but not from AIDS.

See, my point is this: CDC is not going to speak clearly about this proble4m due to the politics involved. So if you lack the ability to think for yourself and about 99% of you cannot think for yourselves, you will never understand HIV/AIDS. Why does it even have two names anyhow? All that is meant to confuse you. But the whole thing is really very simple. And this what CDC will not tell you: HIV is transmitted through anal sex. If someone get it through blood transfusion (which is very, very rare and very very unlikely to happen) it is because someone who has anal sex donated blood. And most medical people do not even understand this. If they did understand, they would screen out homosexuals simply by asking them if they have ever had sex or thoughts of sex wi9th anyone of the same gender. That way, no one would get HIV from blood transfusions.
KIP

San Francisco, CA

#18 Feb 5, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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So now I guess people die of HIV, but not from AIDS.
See, my point is this: CDC is not going to speak clearly about this proble4m due to the politics involved. So if you lack the ability to think for yourself and about 99% of you cannot think for yourselves, you will never understand HIV/AIDS. Why does it even have two names anyhow? All that is meant to confuse you. But the whole thing is really very simple. And this what CDC will not tell you: HIV is transmitted through anal sex. If someone get it through blood transfusion (which is very, very rare and very very unlikely to happen) it is because someone who has anal sex donated blood. And most medical people do not even understand this. If they did understand, they would screen out homosexuals simply by asking them if they have ever had sex or thoughts of sex wi9th anyone of the same gender. That way, no one would get HIV from blood transfusions.
Oh brother.
YOU again.

So somehow now you have inside information about what the CDC is not disclosing to the public about AIDS, right? That's funny. Did they tell you this at the mosque?

Nobody is confused. HIV -- human immunodeficiency virus over time will evolve or replicate itself into AIDS or acquired immune deficiency syndrome. It's not really all that confusing. It's almost like a cold turning into the flu. In both instances the immune system has a breakdown. It's just that with HIV the strain is more complicated and no where near as common as the cold. Anal sex is NOT the only means of transmission. For someone saying I don't think for myself, you sound quite clueless yourself. Anyone with common sense would know that sharing dirty needles during intravenous drug use can transmit the disease. It's a virus after all. AIDS is difficult to get. You need to really be involved in a LIFESTYLE for it to become a reality. That lifestyle is one where the common exchange of blood, semen, and mucous is exchanged with infected partners. It's not always through anal sex. It can transmitted through the vagina or other openings in the skin as well as from mother to newborn.

Educate yourself.
KIP

San Francisco, CA

#19 Feb 5, 2014
Blacks Are Worthless wrote:
If all the global pharmaceutical companies could only perfect a drug to cure AIDS in every race but the black race life would be great, I say let all the AIDS infected blacks die off, they have no souls anyway.
Look who's talking about others not having souls, LOL.

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Saint Louis, MO

#20 Feb 6, 2014
Race Riot At East St Louis - 1917

(from material by John Cobb and Elliott Rudwick)



America was built on the premise of optimism where human progress, combined with scientific advances and expansion, meant a better life for future generations. Unfortunately, there have been numerous instances where we have grievously fallen short of this credo. July 2, 1998 marked the 81st anniversary of the race riot that took place in East St. Louis back in 1917. What follows is a summary of information gleaned from Elliott Rudwick, John Cobb, the Journal and the Post-Dispatch.

Race relations have been a blot on our nation's history for a very long time. Slavery was introduced to Jamestown, Virginia, in 1619 and it took a Civil War to rid the nation of that infamous "peculiar institution." Despite adding civil rights amendments to the Constitution, Lynch Law, the KKK and Jim Crowism conspired to relegate African-Americans to a second class status for more than a hundred years after the war.

It is necessary to examine the historical context to understand why the East St. Louis riot happened. According to Allen Grimshaw's hoary monograph on race riots, there were eighteen major interracial disturbances in America between 1915 and 1919. Due to the creation of job opportunities from the outbreak of war in Europe, Negroes for the first time in history migrated north en masse from Dixie, looking for economic opportunity. Following on the heels of this exodus, they organized to challenge the concept of white supremacy and the established order. The result was bloody conflict.

Whites had not yet learned to accept Negroes as part of the urban landscape and resented this "invasion." East St. Louis at the time was known as the "Pittsburgh of the West" and was particularly appealing to those looking for work because Of its booming economy and reputation for good-paying jobs.

Segregation was the established order of the day. Negroes were treated in separate wards of the two city hospitals and were tended by black physicians. At the plants and packing houses, they had their own washrooms, worked in segregated labor gangs and ate in an isolated section of the dining halls. Their presence in the city was confined to a ghetto in the south end of town.

As long as the Negroes constituted a small minority, they were not perceived as a threat. Race problems were for the South. But their numbers tripled between 1900 and 1914, and grew exponentially as war in Europe fueled the engines of industry in the United States.

Local elections in 1916 were a harbinger of things to come. Democrats eked out a narrow victory over Republicans by hurling the charge that the Republicans were engaging in a secret plot. The G.O.P. allegedly was trying to insure their majority by colonizing East St. Louis with Negroes, most of whom would remain loyal to the party of Lincoln that gave them their freedom.

The situation was exacerbated when labor-management problems worsened.

At Aluminum Ore, the largest processor of bauxite in the world, some 1906 workers had recently formed a union which the company refused to recognize. Over at the packing houses in National City, 37 union organizers were fired after an attempt to gain recognition. Corporate managers decided to import Negroes from the South in order to limit the future demands of white workers. Management at Swift Packing admitted two reasons for hiring about 40 Negroes at the plant. Race differences among employees decreased the possibility of unionization, and Negroes did not object to performing the low-paying, dirty, unpleasant tasks involved in fertilizer making and hog killing. The message was clear: if whites were unwilling to work under the proscribed rules and wages, Negroes could be brought in to take their place. The stage was set for an explosive situation.

Continued below...

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#21 Feb 6, 2014
Continued from above…
Local elections in 1916 were a harbinger of things to come. Democrats eked out a narrow victory over Republicans by hurling the charge that the Republicans were engaging in a secret plot. The G.O.P. allegedly was trying to insure their majority by colonizing East St. Louis with Negroes, most of whom would remain loyal to the party of Lincoln that gave them their freedom.

The situation was exacerbated when labor-management problems worsened.

At Aluminum Ore, the largest processor of bauxite in the world, some 1906 workers had recently formed a union which the company refused to recognize. Over at the packing houses in National City, 37 union organizers were fired after an attempt to gain recognition. Corporate managers decided to import Negroes from the South in order to limit the future demands of white workers. Management at Swift Packing admitted two reasons for hiring about 40 Negroes at the plant. Race differences among employees decreased the possibility of unionization, and Negroes did not object to performing the low-paying, dirty, unpleasant tasks involved in fertilizer making and hog killing. The message was clear: if whites were unwilling to work under the proscribed rules and wages, Negroes could be brought in to take their place. The stage was set for an explosive situation.



At the height of the importation crisis, Mayor Mollman and the police charged newly-arrived migrants with responsibility for the perceived crime wave. Pawn shops and gun dealers soon did a booming business in the arms trade. It was a common belief among whites that the first thing Negroes did when they arrived in the city was to buy a gun. Rumors began to circulate that the gun-toting

Negroes were plotting a race war. The city became a ticking time bomb.

A letter to the editor of the East St. Louis Mail illustrates prevailing white attitudes: "It is a noticeable fact that whenever revolvers form part of a display of a store window they at once attract attention from passing Negroes. The glitter of polished chrome metal revolver possesses a fascination for the colored sport that is hard to resist, and he has been known to make a series of small deposits with the dealer to obtain the coveted weapon. Our pawnbrokers can tell you that more pistols are pawned by colored men than by any other class. Their idea is that the gun serves the double purpose of defending them against their dreaded foe 'de wite man' and as a meal ticket when they get hungry. Negro gun toters are fanatical on the subject of selfprotection and are constantly confiding to each other what they intend to do to the first 'bad man' who disturbs their peace. The way to stop about half of this mortal and terrifying practice is to penalize the sale of guns, especially to 'cullud folks.' "

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#23 Feb 6, 2014
Continued from above…
By afternoon the crowd invaded the area south of Broadway shouting that they planned to avenge the two detectives who were killed. The homes at Third and Brady and Third and Railroad were set on fire. Negroes who attempted to escape the flames were picked off one at a time. Another Negro was lynched from a telephone pole. Encouraged by mobs who shouted, "Burn 'em out." the rioters destroyed over 200 homes. The Illinois National Guard was called to the scene but the militia did not deal firmly with rioters and proved to be largely ineffective.

Violence fed upon itself and in the Black Valley. small gangs lighted torches, joking while waiting for Negroes to flee from the furnaces which had been their homes. When an ambulance arrived to take one man to the hospital, rioters warned. "If you pick up that skunk, we'll kill you too." Another Negro was captured and someone shouted, "We're going to lynch the dog--shooting is too good for him." When more militia and night arrived the rioting slowed down but was not yet over. The square block at Eighth and Broadway was burned to an ash heap.

Many Negroes owed their lives to the alarm sent by True Light Baptist Church which rang its bell to indicate that rampaging whites were coming. Sympathetic whites hid Negroes in their basements while flames illuminated the night sky. Hundreds of refugees were brought to the city hall auditorium.

At midnight, the South End was bright red. An observer from Signal Hill said that the flames shot so high in the air that they were reflected by Pittsburg Lake which looked like a sheet of fire. The conflagration ultimately did an estimated half million dollars in damage.


The next day, when it had ended, reports in the newspapers said that over 200 people had been killed, but the official count was 39 Negroes and nine whites.(Incredibly, the WPA Guide to Illinois, written during the Depression, listed the number of Negroes killed at 100.) This figure too may be erroneous because it can be presumed that some of the bodies were never found. On July 4, several mutilated "floaters" were discovered in Cahokia Creek. It was estimated that up to seven thousand Negroes fled to St. Louis, many of which never returned.

In trials that were held afterwards, twelve Negroes (charged with murder) went to prison for the deaths of detectives Samuel Coppedge and Frank Wadley. Nine whites (charged with homicide) were sent to the penitentiary and forty-one whites were found guilty of misdemeanors. Twenty-seven paid small fines and fourteen received short terms in the county jail.

In November a Senate-House congressional committee held four weeks of hearings in East St. Louis and took nearly 5,000 pages of testimony. No indictments or court martials resulted from the proceedings. The committee prepared a report which was a stinging rebuke of the community's social and business milieu which made the riot possible.


No other riot in American history claimed the lives of more African-Americans than the one that raged in East St. Louis during that hot summer day in 1917. It was a stain on the fabric of the city's character that would take a long time to fade. It probably explains why East St. Louis, after reaching a population of roughly 75,000 in 1920, experienced little demographic growth afterwards. Just as the murder of Elijah Lovejoy, the abolitionist newspaper editor in Alton, stifled growth in that city, a similar dark cloud hung over East St. Louis from the notoriety of the race riot.
Local business leaders were so disgusted by the melee that a number of significant changes were made. The mayoralty system was replaced with a city commission form of government so that the power of the mayor's office would be shared. A youth recreation program was started by the YMCA.

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#24 Feb 6, 2014
Anybody stupid enough to believe the perverted gossip that sicko "Kip" above is preaching is someone who deserves to die of AIDS.

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#25 Feb 6, 2014
KIP wrote:
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Probably because new treatments for HIV have been developed to help stop it from becoming AIDS. There has been significant more awareness about the disease. You can see ads for medication, counseling, and treatment in many underground subway stations in the Bay Area.
Yeah but what about foreign countries where they don't even get medications? One would think that AIDS would have completely emptied out villages and countries by now.

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#26 Feb 6, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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EVERY male homosexual eventually dies of AIDS. No exceptions. By age of 30, 30% are HIV positive. By age of 40, 40%, By the age of 50% so on and so forth. I think the percentages get worse as they get older. But virtually all of them die from it. A lot of times they have not been diagnosed HIV positive and die of pneumonia. They have pneumonia because they have AIDS.
But it seems to be affecting BW almost as much as gay man so therefore it is not a gay disease since women get it through hetorosexual sex. You all have did a good job explaining to me what causes death from AIDS. Well at least here in America but in foreign countries where they lack the medications I just expected to see more deaths.

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