Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#78 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Hey what do you have on Vinca? Much of it isn't online. A lot of the archaeology from that region is not yet commonly available.
Unfortunately there isn't very good information out on Vinca culture & other acient Eastern European inventions & civilizations.

Because White guilt filled Anthropologists neglect us in favor of going gaga over Egypt & Meso-America & others & neglect us.
Jake

Bronx, NY

#79 Dec 6, 2012
moor83 wrote:
<quoted text>egypt wrote of the founders of their cities 20,000- 25000 years ago....not some cave monkeys crawling around. real human beings.
Funny coming from you kneegross who are still living primitive tribal lifestyles in your ancestral African homelands. Guess modern development has passed right by the kneegroo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
moor83

Chicago Heights, IL

#80 Dec 6, 2012
there is absolutely no evidence to suggest vinca was a white culture..there is not enough nformation.. its into the realm of aliens now thats how not much is there..its in europe so call it european..thats as far as the scientific model for this place goes..

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#81 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Also, what is your opinion of the pyramid(s) in Bosnia?
It is difficult to really say about the Bosnian pyramids.

I can't say for sure they exist as true pyramids.

However regardless there seems to have been manmade evidence at Bosnian pyramids.

If perhaps the Bosnian pyramids aren't a real pyramid it could perhaps be something like Manchu Pichu with a mix of natural & man made contribution perhaps.

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I think it is something that should be investigated because the potential for man made Manchu Pichu contribution to a hill-side could always be a possibiltiy even if it was say a natural hill.

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Not, all evidence supports a natural hill.

In general the evidence for the Bosnian pyramid seems to be divided.

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#82 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Also I'm sure you're familiar with Marija Gimbutas.
Yes, Marija Gimbutas a famous Lithuanian woman in the field of anthropology / linguistics especially the Kurgan expansion.

Lithuanians themselves are interesting.

Lithuanians came out the most European by genetics.

Lithuanians also have been found to have a interesting language often called the oldest Indo-European language.

With Lithuanian language sharing strong similarities to Indian Sanskrit & Persian.

This is not only true for Lithuanians the close relative languages of the Slavic languages also share strong similarities to Indian Sanskrit & Persian.
Jake

Bronx, NY

#83 Dec 6, 2012
moor83 wrote:
there is absolutely no evidence to suggest vinca was a white culture..there is not enough nformation.. its into the realm of aliens now thats how not much is there..its in europe so call it european..thats as far as the scientific model for this place goes..
Vinca was a European culture, kneegroo, it couldn't have been black or else it would have been a monkey savage jungle African cultures that the rest of you kneegroos are. Africa an undeveloped shithole.

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#84 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Also I'm sure you're familiar with Marija Gimbutas.
Very interesting... that the Euros had in fact developed civilization without class oppression, wars, imperialism, slavery, etc.---unti the Aryans showed up.
Do you think that Cucuteni-Tripolye spoke IE?
It is all very fussy & has many potential outcomes.

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I personally hold my own personal belief that Cucuteni-Tripolye & Vinca culture were probably Indo-Europeans.

Although this is contrary to many anthropologists.

However the Swastika is central to Indo-European mythology.

Since the Swastika is found in both Cucuteni-Tripolye & Vinca culture?

I think it is likely they were Indo-European in my personal belief.

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I hold the belief that shortly after the Cucuteni-Tripolye / Vinca culture climatic changes changed things signfiicantly.

That shortly afte this time temperatures warmed up signficiantly.

That perhaps this temperature warm up + agricultural created competition & weapons, war & patriarchail socieites over growing populations fighting for resources in a agricultural warmer climate.

OR perhaps that during this warm up that it allowed for people similar to Mongols & Arabs to start invading Europe causing the potential for Europeans to become more war like to battle off such threats.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#85 Dec 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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Unfortunately there isn't very good information out on Vinca culture & other acient Eastern European inventions & civilizations.
Because White guilt filled Anthropologists neglect us in favor of going gaga over Egypt & Meso-America & others & neglect us.
Much of this can be blamed on V. Gordon Childe.

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#86 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Also I'm sure you're familiar with Marija Gimbutas.
Very interesting... that the Euros had in fact developed civilization without class oppression, wars, imperialism, slavery, etc.---unti the Aryans showed up.
Do you think that Cucuteni-Tripolye spoke IE?
However there is good evidence support for a lot of what Marija Gimbutas said about Old Europe - Indo-European Aryans.

I mean yeah there is some evidence for a take over in Europe over Old Europe from the Kurgan like people.

With changes in lifestyle & changes in pottery & a change to a more patriarchial society & more war like society.

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But, the Kurgan people lived very close to the Cucuteni-Tripolye.

I mean one the West of Ukraine was Cucuteni-Tripolye & on the East/ Central - North of Ukraine there were Kurgan like people much like the Kurgan people.

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It makes me scratch my head to how there could be such a peaceful Cucuteni-Tripolye matriarchial society on one side of Ukraine who were Non Indo-European?

Then on the other side of Ukraine there were the war-like patriarchial Kurgan Indo-European?

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I mean we are talking the Cucuteni-Tripolye vs Kurgan (Yamna) type people being very close to each other.

It is all very odd how such a change would be in such sharp contrast & so strong in take over?
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#87 Dec 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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Yes, Marija Gimbutas a famous Lithuanian woman in the field of anthropology / linguistics especially the Kurgan expansion.
Lithuanians themselves are interesting.
Lithuanians came out the most European by genetics.
Lithuanians also have been found to have a interesting language often called the oldest Indo-European language.
With Lithuanian language sharing strong similarities to Indian Sanskrit & Persian.
This is not only true for Lithuanians the close relative languages of the Slavic languages also share strong similarities to Indian Sanskrit & Persian.
It is commonly believed by pagans that Lithuanians have retained more paganism than anyone else in Europe.

Mainstream archaeology is indeed stuck on Egypt-Sumer-Greece. Yet none of these were first.

Their irrational conservativism just opens the doors to all the pop-archaeology nutcases, not to mention Afronazis, to muddy the water with confusion.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#88 Dec 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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However there is good evidence support for a lot of what Marija Gimbutas said about Old Europe - Indo-European Aryans.
I mean yeah there is some evidence for a take over in Europe over Old Europe from the Kurgan like people.
With changes in lifestyle & changes in pottery & a change to a more patriarchial society & more war like society.
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But, the Kurgan people lived very close to the Cucuteni-Tripolye.
I mean one the West of Ukraine was Cucuteni-Tripolye & on the East/ Central - North of Ukraine there were Kurgan like people much like the Kurgan people.
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It makes me scratch my head to how there could be such a peaceful Cucuteni-Tripolye matriarchial society on one side of Ukraine who were Non Indo-European?
Then on the other side of Ukraine there were the war-like patriarchial Kurgan Indo-European?
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I mean we are talking the Cucuteni-Tripolye vs Kurgan (Yamna) type people being very close to each other.
It is all very odd how such a change would be in such sharp contrast & so strong in take over?
Both Tripolye and Maykop may have spoken IE.

I suspect IE people were not patriarchal and warlike until they went pastoralist.

This same pattern appears among the Semites... formerly peaceful Neolithic farmers, but when they're roaming with herds they become real bastards, and it is those patriachal imperialist nuts who created Babylon, Assyria, Phoenicia, etc.

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#89 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Hey what do you have on Vinca? Much of it isn't online. A lot of the archaeology from that region is not yet commonly available.
Yamna, Maykop, Tripolye-Cucuteni, Vinca... only beginning to be unveiled.
These Afronazis are having FITS over the fact that civilization existed in SE Europe before Egypt, LOL!!!
Also, what is your opinion of the pyramid(s) in Bosnia?
The Kurgan people could be Scythians actually.

I mean many cultures including Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Persian ect trace of legends to coming from Scythians.

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The Scythians did indeed use Kurgans!!!!!

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The Scythians used Kurgans & are found in the same area of Kurgans!!!!!

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There is a strong contrast to this view in this!

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As the Sarmatian branch of Scythians in the area of Ukraine were very Matriarchial if not the most Matriarchial at the time or even ever!

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With Sarmatian burials found with a strong proportion of warrior females in Ukraine!

Which is what may have fueled the legend of the Amazon type of woman warrior!

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#90 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Also I'm sure you're familiar with Marija Gimbutas.
Very interesting... that the Euros had in fact developed civilization without class oppression, wars, imperialism, slavery, etc.---unti the Aryans showed up.
Do you think that Cucuteni-Tripolye spoke IE?
The Kurgan expansion in it's self gets further complicated with the oldest Kurgan actually found in Poland.

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2010/10/six-t...

Edit: I did some checking last night, and it seems this Corded Ware kurgan from Southeastern Poland is the oldest in Eurasia (6,000 YBP). But I'd like to hear from anyone who knows of source that mentions a kurgan older than this.

Six thousand-year-old elite Corded Ware kurgan burial mound discovered in Poland

Archaeologists studying the site of a planned highway in southeastern Poland have made a stunning discovery; a kurgan burial mound dating to the Copper Age. According to the Polish press, who seem unusually excited by this archaeological news item, the 6,000-year-old kurgan and its contents are a major find that might change the way we view European prehistory. Basically, it's older than any other Corded Ware site by about a thousand years.

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This all gets further complicated with genetic evidence showing the oldest R1a haplogroup in Europe spreading out of Poland.

(A potential genetic evidence for Kurgan people)

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/11/finally-...

R-M458 reaches high frequency and diversity in central and eastern Europe. It is virtually absent in northwestern Europe, the Near East, and Asia east of the Urals. The maximum frequency is reached in south (36.4%) and central (33.3%) Poland.

The earliest expansion time for R-M458 is found in Poland (10.7ky), but since the paper uses the effective mutation rate that I criticized elsewhere, this date should be divided by a factor of 3 giving an age of 3.6ky. This matches quite well the age for the Balto-Slavic split according to Gray and Atkinson. As with the recent paper on J-P58, adopting the germline rate makes excellent sense.

If R-M458 had started expanding 10.7ky ago, then by the time of the early dispersals of Kurgan groups east, it would have been present among them, and we would expect to find it east of the Urals and in the Near East/Central/South Asia. To reconcile this age with the archaeological picture of west-east movements across the steppe seems impossible. However, the situation resolves itself neatly when we realize that J-P58 is only 3-4 thousand years old, and was not in existence at the time of the Kurgan expansion.

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#91 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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It is commonly believed by pagans that Lithuanians have retained more paganism than anyone else in Europe.
Mainstream archaeology is indeed stuck on Egypt-Sumer-Greece. Yet none of these were first.
Their irrational conservativism just opens the doors to all the pop-archaeology nutcases, not to mention Afronazis, to muddy the water with confusion.
Yes, the Baltic region including Lithuanians retained more Paganism.

Yes, the pagan following is highest in the Baltic region in Europe.

Yesm the pagan elements in the general culture is highest in the Baltic region.

Many Baltic Nations including their Chiristians & Atheists often follow Pagan holidays.

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Well, Baltic region was the last to hold out on Paganism.

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Neo Paganism in general across Eastern Europe has a pretty big following much bigger than in Western Europe.

A lot of Slavic musicians & people out there who hail towards Arkona the last Pagan Slavic city found in Mecklenburg in Germany =P

Including myself =P

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Our culture / Christian culture is very much Pagan influenced.

Halloween is of Celtic Paganism Irish Samhain / Scottish All Hallows eve of the fall solstice.

Easter Eggs are from Slavic Paganism of Pisenky of the Spring solstice.

Christmas is on the actual date of the Roman pagan holiday of the solstice & NOT

Christmas trees are from Livonian Paganism (A Baltic people)

Sant Claus is from Dutch - German Paganism.

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That is why I don't tolerate Islamic take over of Europe.

Some may simplistically say oh well Chrisitnaity & Islam both come from Semites.

Truth is Christianity holds many elements of European Paganism & true European culture!

If that died then so does some of our European heritage!

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#92 Dec 6, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Both Tripolye and Maykop may have spoken IE.
I suspect IE people were not patriarchal and warlike until they went pastoralist.
This same pattern appears among the Semites... formerly peaceful Neolithic farmers, but when they're roaming with herds they become real bastards, and it is those patriachal imperialist nuts who created Babylon, Assyria, Phoenicia, etc.
Yes, true.

I guess it could be pastoralist or farmers both could be potentially behind more war like Patriarchial societies.

There is a link of the Agriculture revolution in the Near-East showing an increase toward's Patriarchial socieites & more war like societies.

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I don't know I personally support Patriarchial socieites.

You do know Sub Saharan Africans are some of the most Matriarchial socieites on Earth right?

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Actually some of the most vivicious Sub Saharan Africans were the most Matriarchial like the Kings of Dahomey.

The Kings of Dahomey were vicious they were cannibals, went to war with other Africans just to sell slaves.

Actually a good portion of Africans enslaved in the New World can probably thank the Sub Saharan African Kings of Dahomey for being enslaved.
Black Rule

Toronto, Canada

#93 Dec 6, 2012
Jake wrote:
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What happen since then, kneegroo? Did you all blacks fall into stupid mode or something? Cause when whity was ushering in the industrial revolution and moving the world into modern times creating Developed nations, you knneegross are stuck in the prehistoric times living tribal life styles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =PfsIBo0CD8QXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
What happened is that Whitey became so jealous that after stealing and benefiting from the science and knowledge brought to them by Africans and Asians, they decided to go on a genocidal crusade against their teachers. You are savages. All your knowledge was simply stolen and improved upon from Africans and Asians.
Black Rule

Toronto, Canada

#94 Dec 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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There is the potential Bosnian pyramid which if true might be older & larger than Egyptian pyramids.
If the Bosnian pyramids were real they would likely be part of the Vinca culture.
Bosnian "pyramid" is hoax.

No pyramids that are man made and can even come close to the Black pyramids exist in Crakka land.

“I'm out hunting”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#95 Dec 6, 2012
Vinca is not a civilization. They are not accepted as such by most historians archaeologists even though most are white.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#96 Dec 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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It is all very fussy & has many potential outcomes.
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I personally hold my own personal belief that Cucuteni-Tripolye & Vinca culture were probably Indo-Europeans.
Although this is contrary to many anthropologists.
However the Swastika is central to Indo-European mythology.
Since the Swastika is found in both Cucuteni-Tripolye & Vinca culture?
I think it is likely they were Indo-European in my personal belief.
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I hold the belief that shortly after the Cucuteni-Tripolye / Vinca culture climatic changes changed things signfiicantly.
That shortly afte this time temperatures warmed up signficiantly.
That perhaps this temperature warm up + agricultural created competition & weapons, war & patriarchail socieites over growing populations fighting for resources in a agricultural warmer climate.
OR perhaps that during this warm up that it allowed for people similar to Mongols & Arabs to start invading Europe causing the potential for Europeans to become more war like to battle off such threats.
However... while you may have a case for Tripolye, Vinca shows all the signs of being “Old Europe” in Gimbutas' sense. Also their DNA, both of them, was heavy with I.

Any reason the Aryans couldn't have gotten the swastika from the Old Europeans?

I realize there is much uncertainty, with some still claiming even that PIE originated in Anatolia, which I do not buy.

It would seem that who invaded Europe were the Aryans! The earliest Asians from the east, the Huns, didn't arrive until MUCH later.

I sure wish I lived right now in the Megalithic or Vinca or Tripolye or Anatolian town cultures rather than in this mess of shit we're in now... it all seems so much more logical, peaceful...

Gimbutas picture of snarling Aryan misogynists destroying the peaceful Old European hobbits may be a bit overblown but I think there's truth in it.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#97 Dec 6, 2012
emperorjohn wrote:
Vinca is not a civilization. They are not accepted as such by most historians archaeologists even though most are white.
They have not even dealt with Vinca or the associated cultures. While they are being accused of being Eurocentric, in fact they have had a bias against civilization in Europe... it all had to begin in Greece under influence from Phoenicia and Egypt. That is not a reasonable position.

WRITING!!! Where is there such a fully developed script without civilization? Plus monumental architecture, apparent palaces, a priesthood, an extensive network of cities. Just what is lacking to call this civilization?

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