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ashanti king

Lansdowne, PA

#1825 Feb 17, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you a man or woman and how much does Topix pay you to post?
I am man and no topix doesn't pay me. Why are u so mean, are u going to answer my question?

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1826 Feb 17, 2013
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir,
France more racist than Russia ? you - they - must be kidding. Nothing is more racist than Russia : you may inform them that in Russia they would have been slain, burnt alive etc. Ask the Chechens ...
Also new probably clandestine immigrants you're dealing with have seen France as ... police officers and from the Customs or border patrols hunting them like preys.
So naturally they have a feeling of gratitude to be welcome in the UK and to be spared the police, for the moment at least because i would not bet on Mr Cameron's benevolence.
Their perception is so extremely biased. Mexicans or other Latinos expelled from the USA would say the same ...
It's however exact that ugly xenophobia is growing in France too : we had 5 years of Sarkozy remember folks ? According to a recent opinion poll, 32% of the French are interested by Mrs Le Pen's Xenophobic rant.
However the Europhobia of Mr Cameron and of a large majority of the British (not the Scottish people though) shows that Xenophobic mindset is rampant in Britain just as on the "Continent".
That being said, African Americans are hardly confronted to these Xenophobic attitudes in France. Moreover 32% are NOT a majority ! as far as I know : it's not Mrs Le Pen or nasty Sarkozy that have been elected in 2012.
And myself i certainly reject these Xenophobic ideas very strongly and i'm a French citizen too. On the other hand, Mr Cameron and his arch-rightist party nearly won the elections in Britain ...
So Sir you should open an eye on your own government and watch if you don't have at home several Sarkozy and Le Pen singing jingoist songs ...
a whiteboi
Oh, it seems you've already a reply. Actually, there are some Blacks of the older generation (even some younger) who see France as racism-free. They were in France during the era of De Jure Jim Crow, the era of the burning torch and the hangman's rope.
LIke my Uncle Oscar: "France? Yes! No cops, no KKK, nobody telling me where I can work, live, eat and sleep, o rhwo I can marry. Vive la France, nephew. I'm glad we drove out those dirty Germans." (Uncle oscar was at Normandy.
Of course, that was some time ago. And our experience is not like that of the Algerians.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1827 Feb 17, 2013
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir,
France more racist than Russia ? you - they - must be kidding. Nothing is more racist than Russia : you may inform them that in Russia they would have been slain, burnt alive etc. Ask the Chechens ...
Also new probably clandestine immigrants you're dealing with have seen France as ... police officers and from the Customs or border patrols hunting them like preys.
So naturally they have a feeling of gratitude to be welcome in the UK and to be spared the police, for the moment at least because i would not bet on Mr Cameron's benevolence.
Their perception is so extremely biased. Mexicans or other Latinos expelled from the USA would say the same ...
It's however exact that ugly xenophobia is growing in France too : we had 5 years of Sarkozy remember folks ? According to a recent opinion poll, 32% of the French are interested by Mrs Le Pen's Xenophobic rant.
However the Europhobia of Mr Cameron and of a large majority of the British (not the Scottish people though) shows that Xenophobic mindset is rampant in Britain just as on the "Continent".
That being said, African Americans are hardly confronted to these Xenophobic attitudes in France. Moreover 32% are NOT a majority ! as far as I know : it's not Mrs Le Pen or nasty Sarkozy that have been elected in 2012.
And myself i certainly reject these Xenophobic ideas very strongly and i'm a French citizen too. On the other hand, Mr Cameron and his arch-rightist party nearly won the elections in Britain ...
So Sir you should open an eye on your own government and watch if you don't have at home several Sarkozy and Le Pen singing jingoist songs ...
a whiteboi
The ones I am working with were all born in France but yeah I can't believe it's more racist than Russia; I am sure none of us have even been to Russia to have an idea.

I was talking about racism not really xenophobia.

David Cameron's party are the ''conservatives'', they're not ''far right'' if that's what you mean. The far right party of the UK,''BNP'' gained only 1.9% of votes in the last general election. We just had David Cameron take his begging bowl to India complimenting and promoting Indian students to come to the UK which is kinda the opposite of being xenophobic.

In regards to xenophobia in the UK some people believe that the country is full up and can not take in anymore people. This includes many non ethnic Brits expressing such feelings also.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1828 Feb 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know whether racism is worse in France than in England or eastern Europe. I know it's a problem, and was a really scary problem during the 1980s when the National Front was at the height of its influence.
Black Americans probably experience it the least in France because we are Americans, not people historically colonized like the Algerians. I've heard Francophone Blacks speak about racism as well, but the North African Arabs appear to be the primary target of French reactionaries.
I wonder whether there is an antiracist force such as SOS which was active while I was in France? Perhaps, Attai can tell us more about that. I've not been to France in 20 years.
I believe it's worse in eastern Europe then southern regions of Europe who share borders with the Muslim World of Africa & Asia; entry point of illegal immigrants.

I can't remember how many times I've been to France but it was the late 90s to the last decade. I've visited and also lived there briefly but I can't begin to compare it to the UK where I've spent my whole life; it would be an unfair comparison. Also I do not even understand French so can't get a true idea of their society.

But these French immigrants tell me racism is worse there compared to the UK. One is of Algerian background, born in France probably in the 60s and moved to the UK like 10 years ago.

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1829 Feb 17, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones I am working with were all born in France but yeah I can't believe it's more racist than Russia; I am sure none of us have even been to Russia to have an idea.
I was talking about racism not really xenophobia.
David Cameron's party are the ''conservatives'', they're not ''far right'' if that's what you mean. The far right party of the UK,''BNP'' gained only 1.9% of votes in the last general election. We just had David Cameron take his begging bowl to India complimenting and promoting Indian students to come to the UK which is kinda the opposite of being xenophobic.
In regards to xenophobia in the UK some people believe that the country is full up and can not take in anymore people. This includes many non ethnic Brits expressing such feelings also.
Sir,

am I misguided if i heard Mr Cameron joining in Merkel's cr*p on "diversity" having to be rejected in Europe ?
The English Conservatives are generally more rightist than Sarkozy himself for any French ... Baroness Thatcher is not a "goddess" for French "Conservatives" more a scarecrow they would like to keep away as the devil incarnated.

That's why i was talking of far-right compared to the French political parties. Like the US Democrats in France would be centrist or center-right even moderate rightist for some of them.

i felt also that UKIP had far more than 1.9% in the fair European elections ... we all know how twisted the electoral system in Britain is for the House of Commons.

If you mean by "racism", that Black people are especially targeted in France in daily life ? Far less than people of Arab descent who are mostly white like me. So the word "racism" would need to be refined and explained.

i cannot alas deny that Xenophobic feelings (targeting first Arabs-Beurs then much below some Africans but so far not Asians) are present in the French society and increasing : i think analysts will agree if i say it's a general phenomenon in the E.U. though far less in Western Europe than in Eastern Europe. Analysts would also say that Anders Breivik type is not representative of the majority of Western Europeans far, very far from it.

So i would refrain painting France or the neighbour countries as a revival of Southern Jim Crow land : it's not obviously false and a distortion.

a whiteboi

Level 8

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1830 Feb 17, 2013
BMT wrote:
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Here we go. Peddling lies to steal Jamaica creation. LOL! Hip hop came out of toasting. Hip hop has Jamaican origin.Com mon knowledge. This is similar to what AA are trying to do, "steal" Barack Obama's paternal roots by claiming Obama's father was not African but AA. Get outa here! LOL!
actually, its some whites who are saying obama's father is someone else. and many of the early creators of hip hop were caribbean americans. hip hop wasn't created in the caribbean. and the caribbeans who were part of its creation say nothing bout caribbean influences like toasting.
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1831 Feb 17, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
<quoted text>
I am man and no topix doesn't pay me. Why are u so mean, are u going to answer my question?
Why would and African stay on an African-American forum ALL THE TIME?

Level 8

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1832 Feb 17, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would and African stay on an African-American forum ALL THE TIME?
he's desperate for some aa tail.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1833 Feb 17, 2013
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir,
am I misguided if i heard Mr Cameron joining in Merkel's cr*p on "diversity" having to be rejected in Europe ?
The English Conservatives are generally more rightist than Sarkozy himself for any French ... Baroness Thatcher is not a "goddess" for French "Conservatives" more a scarecrow they would like to keep away as the devil incarnated.
That's why i was talking of far-right compared to the French political parties. Like the US Democrats in France would be centrist or center-right even moderate rightist for some of them.
i felt also that UKIP had far more than 1.9% in the fair European elections ... we all know how twisted the electoral system in Britain is for the House of Commons.
If you mean by "racism", that Black people are especially targeted in France in daily life ? Far less than people of Arab descent who are mostly white like me. So the word "racism" would need to be refined and explained.
i cannot alas deny that Xenophobic feelings (targeting first Arabs-Beurs then much below some Africans but so far not Asians) are present in the French society and increasing : i think analysts will agree if i say it's a general phenomenon in the E.U. though far less in Western Europe than in Eastern Europe. Analysts would also say that Anders Breivik type is not representative of the majority of Western Europeans far, very far from it.
So i would refrain painting France or the neighbour countries as a revival of Southern Jim Crow land : it's not obviously false and a distortion.
a whiteboi
Well I am just saying what these French guys have told me, they're not my words I can't even begin to talk about French society.

For all we know David Cameroon could be a Hitler sympathizer. You see to get in such positions you have to be a good salesman which essentially means a good liar who is good with their words.

I guess we can both agree that the UK and France are one of the least racist countries in Europe with a more civilized society in regards to race relations.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1834 Feb 17, 2013
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir,
am I misguided if i heard Mr Cameron joining in Merkel's cr*p on "diversity" having to be rejected in Europe ?
The English Conservatives are generally more rightist than Sarkozy himself for any French ... Baroness Thatcher is not a "goddess" for French "Conservatives" more a scarecrow they would like to keep away as the devil incarnated.
That's why i was talking of far-right compared to the French political parties. Like the US Democrats in France would be centrist or center-right even moderate rightist for some of them.
i felt also that UKIP had far more than 1.9% in the fair European elections ... we all know how twisted the electoral system in Britain is for the House of Commons.
If you mean by "racism", that Black people are especially targeted in France in daily life ? Far less than people of Arab descent who are mostly white like me. So the word "racism" would need to be refined and explained.
i cannot alas deny that Xenophobic feelings (targeting first Arabs-Beurs then much below some Africans but so far not Asians) are present in the French society and increasing : i think analysts will agree if i say it's a general phenomenon in the E.U. though far less in Western Europe than in Eastern Europe. Analysts would also say that Anders Breivik type is not representative of the majority of Western Europeans far, very far from it.
So i would refrain painting France or the neighbour countries as a revival of Southern Jim Crow land : it's not obviously false and a distortion.
a whiteboi
I don't understand the origings or racism in Russia and other eastern European countries. Both Blacks and Arabs were once colonial subjects of France or England. Blacks were also slaves in the French West Indies and British West Indies. But eastern Europe has no such history with Blacks, Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis, etc.
Yet when Obama won the 2008 presidential election, one Polish official sad with chagrin that the election marked the end of the white man's civilization. I doubt that he has ever SEEN Black person in tht part of th world, though I understand there's a long history of Polish antisemitism.
ashanti king

Brooklyn, NY

#1835 Feb 17, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>Why would and African stay on an African-American forum ALL THE TIME?
If u say so, but u n I know I am rarely on this forum. Just answer my question.
ashanti king

Brooklyn, NY

#1836 Feb 17, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>he's desperate for some aa tail.
I dont mind tapping some of the beautiful aa women but desperate, no way. Aren't u tired if azz licking

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1837 Feb 17, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont mind tapping some of the beautiful aa women but desperate, no way. Aren't u tired if azz licking
LOL Sir is kinky with the Suum Tuu.

i think your stalker would never tired.

Obroni bermah

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1838 Feb 17, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I am just saying what these French guys have told me, they're not my words I can't even begin to talk about French society.
For all we know David Cameroon could be a Hitler sympathizer. You see to get in such positions you have to be a good salesman which essentially means a good liar who is good with their words.
I guess we can both agree that the UK and France are one of the least racist countries in Europe with a more civilized society in regards to race relations.
Indeed sir i concur with your conclusions ; we could have added Scandinavia and the Netherlands before 2000 but in the last years Xenophobic feelings have suddenly increased dramatically.

a whiteboi

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1839 Feb 17, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand the origings or racism in Russia and other eastern European countries. Both Blacks and Arabs were once colonial subjects of France or England. Blacks were also slaves in the French West Indies and British West Indies. But eastern Europe has no such history with Blacks, Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis, etc.
Yet when Obama won the 2008 presidential election, one Polish official sad with chagrin that the election marked the end of the white man's civilization. I doubt that he has ever SEEN Black person in tht part of th world, though I understand there's a long history of Polish antisemitism.
Excellent question Sir. i don't think there is a specific link between traditional Russian-Polish antisemitism and any anti-Black attitude. Except possibly an adhesion to "Aryan" mythologies : you have some pro-Hitler silly groups around in these countries.

Oddly these Eastern Europeans, who were less developed than their Western cousins, have grown up in a strong whitey supremacist ideology.
Even during the Communist era, African marxists staying in Soviet universities felt the stigma.
If we dig into history, the Russians had to fight Asians like Tatars and conquer Siberia and the Caucasus kingdoms against various people like Turcomans etc. some Christian, some Muslim.
It may have stressed the "whitey" identity of Russia against anybody else.
That's an hypothesis ... i don't have enough reading on that rather taboo topic.

a whiteboi
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1840 Feb 17, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
<quoted text>
If u say so, but u n I know I am rarely on this forum. Just answer my question.
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
ashanti king

Brooklyn, NY

#1841 Feb 17, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
What's your question?
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1842 Feb 17, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
Why would a real African spend all of his time on an African-American forum?
ashanti king

Brooklyn, NY

#1843 Feb 17, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>Why would a real African spend all of his time on an African-American forum?
Okay, maybe you haven't notice but I only comment on threads that involve Africans or other blacks. Second I am here because I have lived most of my life with aas and I like to learn more about them and their cultures, i find them to be an interesting group. Happy
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1844 Feb 17, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, maybe you haven't notice but I only comment on threads that involve Africans or other blacks. Second I am here because I have lived most of my life with aas and I like to learn more about them and their cultures, i find them to be an interesting group. Happy
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