Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1618 Feb 10, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
where you have a large number of afr-descendant groups, aa, afro-latino, caribbean, as we do on the east coast, you see high frequencies of cross-ethnic mixing.
there are more africans showing up in the soup, but they for the most part are an outside isolated group. when africans marry non-africans it's usually white.
Thing is ''African Americans'' and Caribbeans are from the same continent; North America. You manage to distinguish the two yet find a hard time distinguishing the various, more diverse and more distantly related groups of Africa.

eg; A Jamaican and an ''African American'' are much, much, much more closely related than say a Nigerian and an Egyptian who would make an ''IR relationship'' even.

So the fact that you went on to say ''when africans marry non-africans it's usually white'' is beyond me. When a west African marries a north African more time that will be ''interracial'' completely different cultures etc.

What you state probably only applies to the USA or your region of it as ''Africans'' are not an isolated group here in regards to the black population especially.

Like I said before perhaps the US gains a different class of Africans or something because a significant amount here quickly assimilate to western ways and drop tribalism; within a generation. The same for what I noticed in France and what ''attai1'' stated.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1619 Feb 10, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
This guy is so sequacious.
Bigsmoke likes to use "tribal" terminology in a supercilious manner, as though being tribal is something unflattering or "unevolved".
It's like when you attach a negative connotation to being African and then call an AA and "African" and they get offended.
"Oh no, I'm not African".
These people don't even know what they're running away from.
Tribalism is a basic fundamental component of practically EVERY culture.
Indian Americans are extremely tribal, and they are considered an model minority. They are practically the most economically successful group in America and possibly in the West in general.
So there is something to be said for being tribal.
Personally, I don't consider myself tribal in the sense that I especially value being AA over non-AA, but I do consider myself very tribal in the sense that I especially value being Black over non-Black.
You people need to stop succumbing to influence from other peoples' useless philosophies and opinions.
Says the guy who is against ''industrialization'' yet enjoys living in an industrialized country.

Tribalism is the root to all conflicts in humanity. It's backwards and quite frankly retarded.

People like you promote the stone age yet enjoy living in a developed modern country.

Strange.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1620 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
Like I said before perhaps the US gains a different class of Africans or something because a significant amount here quickly assimilate to western ways and drop tribalism; within a generation.
Which is why Black Brits have made practically no contributions to Black people as a whole compared to Black Americans, Caribbeans, Latins, and Africans have.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1621 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the guy who is against ''industrialization'' yet enjoys living in an industrialized country.
Tribalism is the root to all conflicts in humanity. It's backwards and quite frankly retarded.
People like you promote the stone age yet enjoy living in a developed modern country.
Strange.
Indian Americans are practically the most economically successful minority in America...due to their tribalism.

Explain how their tribalism is backwards and retarded.

Level 8

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1622 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Thing is ''African Americans'' and Caribbeans are from the same continent; North America. You manage to distinguish the two yet find a hard time distinguishing the various, more diverse and more distantly related groups of Africa.
eg; A Jamaican and an ''African American'' are much, much, much more closely related than say a Nigerian and an Egyptian who would make an ''IR relationship'' even.
So the fact that you went on to say ''when africans marry non-africans it's usually white'' is beyond me. When a west African marries a north African more time that will be ''interracial'' completely different cultures etc.
What you state probably only applies to the USA or your region of it as ''Africans'' are not an isolated group here in regards to the black population especially.
Like I said before perhaps the US gains a different class of Africans or something because a significant amount here quickly assimilate to western ways and drop tribalism; within a generation. The same for what I noticed in France and what ''attai1'' stated.
maybe 1st gens mix more. but african immigrants don't just isolate themselves from other black groups. they isolate themselves from other african nationalities, and even tribes within nationalities.

one of the highest frequencies of inter-ethnic marriage among afro-descendant people, are between aa and afro-latinos. culturally and to a certain extend racially (afro-latinos tend to be more mixed on average), the two groups are very distinct. but they mix fairly easily.

imo, this would be a god example of how aa really aren't that tribal. also aa and caribbeans have been mixing for bout 100 years.

immigrants understandably will naturally hold on to their culture and gravitate towards their own community. but mixing across afro-descendant groups is common as well. except with africans.

at least that's how i see it.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1623 Feb 10, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
Which is why Black Brits have made practically no contributions to Black people as a whole compared to Black Americans, Caribbeans, Latins, and Africans have.
:)

Considering when I was born (1990) there wasn't even 1 million Black people in the UK and the vast majority of them at the time were immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean; I'd say you're asking for a wee bit too much from such and small recent group who've yet to solidify an identity.

Black Americans are western you halfwit and have been living in an industrialized country longer than any other black group period.

If African countries do not industrialize then believe me within 20 years Black British contribution to humanity could potentially also dwarf that of black African contribution just like black Americans did within a few decades.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1624 Feb 10, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
Indian Americans are practically the most economically successful minority in America...due to their tribalism.
Explain how their tribalism is backwards and retarded.
Why aren't they in India?

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1625 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
Considering when I was born (1990) there wasn't even 1 million Black people in the UK and the vast majority of them at the time were immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean; I'd say you're asking for a wee bit too much from such and small recent group who've yet to solidify an identity.
Black Americans are western you halfwit and have been living in an industrialized country longer than any other black group period.
If African countries do not industrialize then believe me within 20 years Black British contribution to humanity could potentially also dwarf that of black African contribution just like black Americans did within a few decades.
That's just the thing, fool.

I am not concerned with "humanity". I am concerned with >BLACK< people.

I'm not asking for anything from Black Brits. I'm saying that your idiotic philosophy on ridding one's self of tribalism doesn't do sh*t for Black people. It hasn't done anything for them, and it won't do anything for the rest of us.

The Indians understand this.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1626 Feb 10, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
maybe 1st gens mix more. but african immigrants don't just isolate themselves from other black groups. they isolate themselves from other african nationalities, and even tribes within nationalities.
one of the highest frequencies of inter-ethnic marriage among afro-descendant people, are between aa and afro-latinos. culturally and to a certain extend racially (afro-latinos tend to be more mixed on average), the two groups are very distinct. but they mix fairly easily.
imo, this would be a god example of how aa really aren't that tribal. also aa and caribbeans have been mixing for bout 100 years.
immigrants understandably will naturally hold on to their culture and gravitate towards their own community. but mixing across afro-descendant groups is common as well. except with africans.
at least that's how i see it.
Well it's very common over here especially in university.

They're 4 African+Caribbean mix families on my section of the road even. More than ''IR'' families even.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#1627 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't they in India?
Doesn't matter.

Their philosophy works, obviously. Something you "assimilated" Blacks wouldn't know anything about anyway.

“The Sun was high...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 10

and so was I

#1628 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>
Your behaviour and attitude displayed on this thread clearly stems from your strong loyalty to your social group/tribe (black American). That makes you tribal.
The same applies to 99.9% of posters in this thread if not forum.
Lol.. Cultural.. not tribal.
ashanti king

United States

#1629 Feb 10, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>where you have a large number of afr-descendant groups, aa, afro-latino, caribbean, as we do on the east coast, you see high frequencies of cross-ethnic mixing.

there are more africans showing up in the soup, but they for the most part are an outside isolated group. when africans marry non-africans it's usually white.
No they don't, I have see a lot of aa and African marriage than I have seen african and white. African and Caribbean get along great. The only group I don't see africans with is Afro Latinos.

“The Sun was high...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 10

and so was I

#1630 Feb 10, 2013
holycrap wrote:
<quoted text> That's not anything to brag about.
Why not? Let's talk about it.

I don't think you or Bakari understand "Tribal".

Tribal isn't working together with other blacks... tribal is tribal... as in seeing other blacks in no different light than you'd see non blacks.

That's what you and Bakari are really defending, because that is what we or atleast myself is saying is a negative aspect of being tribal.

Those "Tribes" fight amongst themselves.. it's not a we are the "black" tribe.. it's we are "tribe A" , "tribe B" etc..

If all those Tribes joined together.. I would imagine Blacks would be a lot more powerful.
ashanti king

United States

#1631 Feb 10, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
<quoted text>Thing is ''African Americans'' and Caribbeans are from the same continent; North America. You manage to distinguish the two yet find a hard time distinguishing the various, more diverse and more distantly related groups of Africa.

eg; A Jamaican and an ''African American'' are much, much, much more closely related than say a Nigerian and an Egyptian who would make an ''IR relationship'' even.

So the fact that you went on to say ''when africans marry non-africans it's usually white'' is beyond me. When a west African marries a north African more time that will be ''interracial'' completely different cultures etc.

What you state probably only applies to the USA or your region of it as ''Africans'' are not an isolated group here in regards to the black population especially.

Like I said before perhaps the US gains a different class of Africans or something because a significant amount here quickly assimilate to western ways and drop tribalism; within a generation. The same for what I noticed in France and what ''attai1'' stated.
He don't know what he is talking about here in Philly I are aas and Africans hang out together, in Philly some even do crimes together. Everyone will tell you Africans are very sociable, we have to be, we are everywhere around the world.
ashanti king

United States

#1632 Feb 10, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>maybe 1st gens mix more. but african immigrants don't just isolate themselves from other black groups. they isolate themselves from other african nationalities, and even tribes within nationalities.

one of the highest frequencies of inter-ethnic marriage among afro-descendant people, are between aa and afro-latinos. culturally and to a certain extend racially (afro-latinos tend to be more mixed on average), the two groups are very distinct. but they mix fairly easily.

imo, this would be a god example of how aa really aren't that tribal. also aa and caribbeans have been mixing for bout 100 years.

immigrants understandably will naturally hold on to their culture and gravitate towards their own community. but mixing across afro-descendant groups is common as well. except with africans.

at least that's how i see it.
You are a liar, Africans are very sociable and everyone who has met an African will tell you that.

“The Sun was high...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 10

and so was I

#1633 Feb 10, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
This guy is so sequacious.
Bigsmoke likes to use "tribal" terminology in a supercilious manner, as though being tribal is something unflattering or "unevolved".
It's like when you attach a negative connotation to being African and then call an AA and "African" and they get offended.
"Oh no, I'm not African".
These people don't even know what they're running away from.
Tribalism is a basic fundamental component of practically EVERY culture.
Indian Americans are extremely tribal, and they are considered an model minority. They are practically the most economically successful group in America and possibly in the West in general.
So there is something to be said for being tribal.
Personally, I don't consider myself tribal in the sense that I especially value being AA over non-AA, but I do consider myself very tribal in the sense that I especially value being Black over non-Black.
You people need to stop succumbing to influence from other peoples' useless philosophies and opinions.
AA's are cultural and not tribal. We value are culture, and we also value positive influences from other.. We are also more welcoming to any blacks than any other group of blacks.

What you don't understand about tribal is, we are not talking race based tribalism.. I am speaking in terms of blacks not joining together and being tribal against each other.

If black Americans become Tribal against blacks in Africa, it is a direct result of tribalism displayed by Africans against AA's.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1634 Feb 10, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
That's just the thing, fool.
I am not concerned with "humanity". I am concerned with >BLACK< people.
I'm not asking for anything from Black Brits. I'm saying that your idiotic philosophy on ridding one's self of tribalism doesn't do sh*t for Black people. It hasn't done anything for them, and it won't do anything for the rest of us.
The Indians understand this.
Yet you don't mind using things created by non black individuals.

Humans who are not concerned about humanity are simply and clearly idiots.

Thanks for clearing that up.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1635 Feb 10, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't matter.
Their philosophy works, obviously. Something you "assimilated" Blacks wouldn't know anything about anyway.
It does.

Why aren't they in India? Why are they in a country made up of various tribes which dropped tribal differences for an ''American'' one? All they're doing is exploiting something already put in place.
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1636 Feb 10, 2013
AgentSmith9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol.. Cultural.. not tribal.
Same shlt. Ha!
Bigsmoke

Halifax, UK

#1637 Feb 10, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
<quoted text>
He don't know what he is talking about here in Philly I are aas and Africans hang out together, in Philly some even do crimes together. Everyone will tell you Africans are very sociable, we have to be, we are everywhere around the world.
I wouldn't be surprised. I've always got the vibe that he was simply against Africans unless it comes to Ethiopian women, LOL!

This guy is funny. I never knew he was the child of African immigrants (Nigerians) until further videos hence how I can't say there is much difference:


Him along with Akon, Wale etc and people like Neyo, Tyler the Creator wouldn't exist if what he claims was true.
Akon, Wale,

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