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BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#1532 Feb 9, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
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in all reality the chinese will likely be your next masters.
You wish.
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#1533 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
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Excellent post. The guy is retarded, he can't understand that Americo-Liberians are no longer in charge of Liberia and haven't been since 1980. In every thread he brings up Liberia as a symbol of Black American failure.
what remarkable thing did they do when they were in charge? Nothing! LOL! thank de lord your ancestors ship did not sail further south.
ashanti king

Fairfax, VA

#1534 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent post. The guy is retarded, he can't understand that Americo-Liberians are no longer in charge of Liberia and haven't been since 1980. In every thread he brings up Liberia as a symbol of Black American failure.
We can also bring up America as aas failures. So what's your point
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1535 Feb 9, 2013
BMT wrote:
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what remarkable thing did they do when they were in charge? Nothing! LOL! thank de lord your ancestors ship did not sail further south.
Americo-Liberians lived lavish during their reign and Liberia was stable and prosperous under their leadership. They didn't give a damn about the other 95% of the populous and quite frankly I don't blame them.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1536 Feb 9, 2013
AgentSmith9 wrote:
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What you consider simple "amusement" others don't. Sorry.
And there's many items people pick over their health, tobacco, alcohol, drugs, etc.
Again, people decide what is important to them. Not me, not you or anybody else. Doctors are valued and needed, but so are garbage men and fisher men.
Everybody plays a role, and you can't down play the impact that entertainers have on people and societies. It's a very large impact, and impact some value more than doctors.
Couldn't we say that some things are OBJECTIVELY more impotant or valuable than others? Health and health care could be considred more important than entertainment simply it has to do with life and the capacity to enjoy life and to flourish. Maybe I'd be distressed if I couldn't watch the Superbowl. But without decent food, medicine when neede, and decent and conditions of existence, I maight not even be allow, or in such poor health than I cannot even enjoy watching the game. Entertainment is fine (or at least some of it is), but some things may be more important.
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1537 Feb 9, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
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We can also bring up America as aas failures. So what's your point
African-Americans are doing fine in America. You don't have a point you're just a dumba$$ African living in someone elses country.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1538 Feb 9, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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Sir,
i don't think so.
As much as i can list many achievements of Western Africans as i did in a previous post, it's very easy to list major contributions of Black Americans that go far beyond "sports and rapping".
Though you could have a look on Azonto in Ghanaian schools, on Ghanian competitions of rappers .... plenty of clips on Youtube. Rap is a bit like Jazz in the past century : a cultural phenomenon created by AAs that is spreading worldwide, though i do favor jazz much more myself but that's a question of individual taste.
I would not count MLK jr for a game, nor W.E.B. du Bois who settled in Ghana as you know in the end of his life ; i would not count as entertainers Richard Wright, James Balwin the immense Langston Hughes to name just a few luminaries of AA literature universally recognized. Their works still stand a long time after their death. Can we say that a painter too early deceased like Basquiat (a Haitian American) was nothing when his art is given major exhibitions in Europe today ?
Besides if we do not count Barack Obama, his wife Michelle is not a sportswoman or a rapper as you know well. After 1954/1964, there has been a growth in AAs with Ph.D. and all kind of grades in every field.
At least i know this success story of Reginald F. Lewis because i've visited twice the museum built through his foundation in Baltimore (MD):
http://www.rflewismuseum.org/about/reginald-l...
His too short life is extremely interesting : he was an athlete, a brilliant scholar then a business man in law and in industry.
Black people have many talents on both sides of the Atlantic.
a whiteboi
Hey, I grew up in the hood but still went to university to study Philosophy, history and literature.
But I don't mind shooting a little hoop. It just isn't my priority. I do tell my students, surtout my AA students, that's it's ok to shoot hoop, enjoy the SuperBowl or what have you. But make sure you get your act together academically as well.
Enjoying hip hop doesn't mean you must spurn Math, History or philosophy

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1539 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
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Your video comes from an episode of the "Maury Povich Show" dumba$$. The guess on his program are known to be hired actors. Next time choose an actual news link if you want to insult someone. You foreign blacks are so goddamn stupid.
"Foreign blacks" are not more or less intelligent than we African-Americans. We have idiots like Carol. They've got Shalimaar. We really need to stop these petty quarrels between our people over then and over here.
I know that as a thinker I value Afro-French authors like Frantz Fanon, Aime Cesaire & Cheikh Hamidou Kane. They, on the other hand, were deeply attracted to Alain Locke, Langston Hughes, W.E.B Du Bois and Richard Wright.
Blacks from other Anglophone parts of the world--like CLR James, Eric Williams and others--were often in intellectual and political partnership with likeminded African-Americans.
Pan-Africanism united Blacks in Africa, Europe and the Americas. And this is as it SHOULD be.
One upmanship between different Black peoples of the world is foolish and a waste of time. It benefits NO ONE, except our common oppressors.
Bigsmoke

Wakefield, UK

#1540 Feb 9, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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Sir,
i'm very surprised to read how hard you want to dump West and Central Africans down in human history.
The medieval empires and kingdoms in this big part of Africa were at par with then Medieval kingdoms of Europe : the emperor of ancient Ghana and ancient Mali were certainly wealthier and far more advanced than say the Czar of Russia in the XIV-XVIth centuries or the fragile rulers of Ireland or the Hungarians soon dominated by the Turks.
The skills of artists and craftsmen in the ancient Kingdom of Benin [in Nigeria today] were truly prodigious : we had an exhibition at the Musée du Quai Branly in Paris a few years ago and you would have changed your views when looking at the production from XVth to XVIIIth.
Many American museums have some collections of African art like the Baltimore Museum of Arts : it is less common in Europe but you would see that Western Africa maybe a little less Central Africa had refined artists and could produce objects as precious and delightful as their European or Ottoman counterparts.
Moreover African art - especially from Western Africa precisely - has deeply influenced European modern art : Picasso had a personal collection of African statues and has always paid a tribute to them as very influential in his evolution. That goes for many major European artists between 1900 and 1960 mostly.
It is crystal clear that West African influences - re. Voodoo from Benin - are extremely salient in the whole Latin America among Blacks there and from them to the whole Latin American cultures. You could not get deep into Brazilian and Caribbean cultures without learning about traditional cultures of Western Africa.
As for measuring the contribution of Western and Central Africa to economy, that is rather complex and only a part of human history. Where do you count the West African workers used by the French and British and Belgian colonial empires ? How many majestic buildings in Britain and France (ex. in Bordeaux there was a big exhibition on that) and Belgium were erected on the sweat and death of West Africans and Congolese people ?
Do you want to kill these thousands and thousands of workers twice ?
Analysts today (in Europe and in the USA) consider Africa to be the rising Giant in 2050 along with India and a declining China. Books, magazines, editorials on this rising Africa are everywhere at least in French in the past 5 to 10 years. Western and Central Africans are totally included and Ghana or Nigeria or Ivory Coast or Rwanda are all seen as highly promising.
Ultimately a stronger Union is the key for a bigger contribution of Africa as a whole and that includes Western and Central African countries.
a whiteboi
No civilization originating from central-west Africans have had an impact on humanity anywhere near that of the; British, Arabs and Romans.

No civilization originating from central-west Africans produced inventions on par of that of; Germans, French, Americans, Greeks, Chinese, Persians, Egyptians etc

No civilization originating from central-west Africans opened up as much trade links and exploration of this planet like; Persians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch & British

No civilization originating from central-west Africans to date has industrialized.

I could go on...

Generalizations.

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#1541 Feb 9, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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No civilization originating from central-west Africans have had an impact on humanity anywhere near that of the; British, Arabs and Romans.
No civilization originating from central-west Africans produced inventions on par of that of; Germans, French, Americans, Greeks, Chinese, Persians, Egyptians etc
No civilization originating from central-west Africans opened up as much trade links and exploration of this planet like; Persians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch & British
No civilization originating from central-west Africans to date has industrialized.
I could go on...
Generalizations.
Sir,

Knowing that you're an Afro European yourself, i feel say extremely odd that you have such a negative opinion on your own family roots...

We can examine your arguments with serenity.
Impact of the Roman empire : yes but the Roman empire died during the IVth and it's impact on the Indian and Chinese world or on the Amerindians was null, zero. Only a tiny fringe of Africa was concerned too.
So is it so different from the vast African empires of that region in the end ?

As for the impact of the Arabs, the British and may I add (i see the jingoism ... and Mr Cameron's opt out from Europe ...) the French AND the Spaniards - if you think that Spanish language is conquering all the Americas apart from Brazil and Canada : yes you're right on that.
Now you can ask yourself if this "impact" has always been a good thing and for the best ? Obviously the answer is "no". The shame of slavery, slave trade, oppression, destructions, mass killings cannot be forgotten : in this accountant book, you have 2 columns, a positive and a negative.
At least none of the Western-Central African states had such a negative column.

For the rest it's a question of historical opportunity at one moment. The Chinese looked at Europeans as ridiculous Barbarians during the early Middle Ages but they were conquered and dominated by the same white Barbarians in the XIXth. The Khmer empire had an incredibly rich artistic production and a sophisticated system of irrigation and a complex administrative organization far more advanced than the Europeans at the same time though ultimately it crumbled down to the point that Khmers themselves have forgotten their own history when French explorers discovered the ruins of Angkor. During centuries the Austrian empire dominated Central Europe and after 1918, it vanished.

Are the West and Central Africans unable to drive the modern economy ? Not at all. Have they shown any specific inability whether in the Diaspora (Europe and Northern America) or in their countries ? Not at all.
Many Europeans are impressed by the "take off" of Africa at large and this includes Western and Central Africa.
The aging E.U., entrapped in pettiness (Cameron, Merkel, the Danes the Poles etc.), fighting over a budget of 1% of GDP, extra rich and unable to protect herself from the US financial crisis and China, unable except the French (!) to have a foreign policy, too often deaf and blind may create for herself a bleak future.

If the Africans at large are taking the best of us and carefully avoid the numerous weaknesses of the E.U. BUT creating their own model(s), their future could be much more promising than ours.
Don't judge too quickly on the past, consider the potential for the future.
i would refrain on what we call in French debates "essentialisme" : to imprison a category or a whole population is a definite role for ever.

a whiteboi
ashanti king

Fairfax, VA

#1542 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>African-Americans are doing fine in America. You don't have a point you're just a dumba$$ African living in someone elses country.
Neither are you. U r just a fool who hasn't achieved anything in your life so adhere to others. Last time I checked this country is not your country also. Aas are still treated as second class citizens in America.
ashanti king

Fairfax, VA

#1543 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
<quoted text>African-Americans are doing fine in America. You don't have a point you're just a dumba$$ African living in someone elses country.
Are you a man or a woman?
Bigsmoke

Wakefield, UK

#1544 Feb 9, 2013
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir,
Knowing that you're an Afro European yourself, i feel say extremely odd that you have such a negative opinion on your own family roots...
I do not have ''a negative opinion on'' my ''own family roots''.
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We can examine your arguments with serenity.
Impact of the Roman empire : yes but the Roman empire died during the IVth and it's impact on the Indian and Chinese world or on the Amerindians was null, zero. Only a tiny fringe of Africa was concerned too.
So is it so different from the vast African empires of that region in the end ?
The Romans invented ''concrete'' which to date ''is the most used man-made product in the world''.
attai1 wrote:
<quoted text>
As for the impact of the Arabs, the British and may I add (i see the jingoism ... and Mr Cameron's opt out from Europe ...) the French AND the Spaniards - if you think that Spanish language is conquering all the Americas apart from Brazil and Canada : yes you're right on that.
Now you can ask yourself if this "impact" has always been a good thing and for the best ? Obviously the answer is "no". The shame of slavery, slave trade, oppression, destructions, mass killings cannot be forgotten : in this accountant book, you have 2 columns, a positive and a negative.
At least none of the Western-Central African states had such a negative column.
For the rest it's a question of historical opportunity at one moment. The Chinese looked at Europeans as ridiculous Barbarians during the early Middle Ages but they were conquered and dominated by the same white Barbarians in the XIXth. The Khmer empire had an incredibly rich artistic production and a sophisticated system of irrigation and a complex administrative organization far more advanced than the Europeans at the same time though ultimately it crumbled down to the point that Khmers themselves have forgotten their own history when French explorers discovered the ruins of Angkor. During centuries the Austrian empire dominated Central Europe and after 1918, it vanished.
Are the West and Central Africans unable to drive the modern economy ? Not at all. Have they shown any specific inability whether in the Diaspora (Europe and Northern America) or in their countries ? Not at all.
Many Europeans are impressed by the "take off" of Africa at large and this includes Western and Central Africa.
The aging E.U., entrapped in pettiness (Cameron, Merkel, the Danes the Poles etc.), fighting over a budget of 1% of GDP, extra rich and unable to protect herself from the US financial crisis and China, unable except the French (!) to have a foreign policy, too often deaf and blind may create for herself a bleak future.
If the Africans at large are taking the best of us and carefully avoid the numerous weaknesses of the E.U. BUT creating their own model(s), their future could be much more promising than ours.
Don't judge too quickly on the past, consider the potential for the future.
i would refrain on what we call in French debates "essentialisme" : to imprison a category or a whole population is a definite role for ever.
a whiteboi
I'm not judging groups rather generalizing the impacts each group has had on humanity as a whole.
happy

Bronx, NY

#1545 Feb 9, 2013
(Two) BLACK PEOPLE Married to or Dating and are BOTH FROM TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES/NATIONS relationship IS NOT CONSIDERED (interracial) because it is two people of the same race; however, the relationship is known as an INTERNATIONL relationship reason being that its two BLACK PEOPLE who comes from. TWO DIFFERENT countries/nations; not two different races.
Two WHITE PEOPLE one from GERMANY, and thee other from IRLAND are Married or Dating will NOT be considered having an INTERRACIAL relationship because they are BOTH White and of the same race of people; however, their relationship would be an INTERNATIONAL relationship reason being because its two WHITE PEOPLE who come from TWO DIFFERENT countries/nations but are of the SAME RACE OF PEOPLE (the white race)

A ASIAN AND A WHITE marriage or dating is an INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP; two people its two people from two diffrent races.
A BLACK AND A WHITE in a relationship is an INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP; because it is two people from two different races; which makes it INTER-RACIAL.
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#1546 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
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Americo-Liberians lived lavish during their reign and Liberia was stable and prosperous under their leadership. They didn't give a damn about the other 95% of the populous and quite frankly I don't blame them.
Now, how dense is that? When Whites do that To you you scream racism like toddlers. Lol do they think they Would go to Liberia and live like Kings at the expense of the native. How stupid is. Even south afrikan Whites would not do that. Putz.
Unique2

Macon, GA

#1548 Feb 9, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
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Are you a man or a woman?
I'm your worst nightmare spearchucker.

AgentSmith9

“The Sun was high...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 10

and so was I

#1549 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
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Well said.
Thanks Bro

AgentSmith9

“The Sun was high...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 10

and so was I

#1550 Feb 9, 2013
Savant wrote:
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Couldn't we say that some things are OBJECTIVELY more impotant or valuable than others? Health and health care could be considred more important than entertainment simply it has to do with life and the capacity to enjoy life and to flourish. Maybe I'd be distressed if I couldn't watch the Superbowl. But without decent food, medicine when neede, and decent and conditions of existence, I maight not even be allow, or in such poor health than I cannot even enjoy watching the game. Entertainment is fine (or at least some of it is), but some things may be more important.
Hi Savant, I enjoy reading your posts and consider you a very intelligent man.

My argument isn't really that Doctors aren't important.. but that Entertainers and culture are as well. Which is the more important?? Who knows..

All we know is that Society values them both.

This comparison of Athletes vs Doctors and Engineers was started by the insecure non black american men and women in this thread.

I think they are linear... just in terms of the impact that each has on society and people..

But to say that culture and entertainers that create culture aren't important.. is kind of wreck-less on their part and is nothing more than an attempt to minimalism Black Americans.
wila

East Haven, CT

#1551 Feb 9, 2013
Unique2 wrote:
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Americo-Liberians lived lavish during their reign and Liberia was stable and prosperous under their leadership. They didn't give a damn about the other 95% of the populous and quite frankly I don't blame them.
Properous, yeah right. If they didnt give a damn about the other 95% of natives that are the rightful land owners of Liberia then they shouldnt have went there, that is the attitude that led to that country being a hell hole.

Most of africa is more developed then that country

AgentSmith9

“The Sun was high...”

Level 5

Since: Jun 10

and so was I

#1552 Feb 9, 2013
ashanti king wrote:
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Aas have their own kind of tribalism but u don't realize it. It is much easier to point fingers at Africans. Aas are always fighting about dark skin vs light skin. Up till a certain point most clubs had the paper bag test. Educated blacks vs non educated blacks. These are all tribalism.
AA's don't have light skin dark skin fights, never. That's all Africans and your skin bleaching.

Inner fighting exists among all .. but this tribalism you all exhibit is without a doubt the reason for the failures of many black cultures around the world.

If Africans learned to work together.. you wouldn't have to go around claiming that white men were superior to you.

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