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<quoted text>i'm ok with the concept of aa ruling over all africa, hehe.
They did not, they rule 2 million people in Liberia which they turned to a hellhole.

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Next to nothing and those people were almost wiped out to begin with.
Your point?
My point is that you have no point.

Blacks contributed immensely to modern human development. If they hadn't, the modern world as you currently know it would not exist.
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Learn the differences between ''the equivalence'' and ''the same''.
Humans can learn more tasks than any other animal but being a slave means one is someones property just like a domesticated animal is ones property.
Got it yet?
The definition of "slave" is someone who is treated as property to be bought and sold. They can be given rights and they can be stripped of rights. They can be denied the right to refuse to do work.

The definition of a domesticated animal is an animal that has been tamed and made to be fit for a human environment.

Human slaves are already human, therefore, the definition for domesticated animal automatically means that it is not interchangeable with slavery just on that one merit alone.

Secondly, the definition of a domesticated animal has nothing to do with being forced to work or being deprived of the right to refuse to do work or being deprived of rights at all.

Have you have heard of the phrase, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it"? Well, you can't make him do anything else either. If he doesn't feel like working, then he ain't workin'. You can kill him, but you sure as hell can't deny him his right not to work like you can a slave.

Felis catus is a domesticated animal. Felis catus's purpose on this earth has nothing to do with "working" for humans. It sure as hell won't be stripped of any rights not to work any time soon, or ever.

Same goes for cockatiels, parakeets, doves, hamsters and a whole host of other domesticated animals.
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I never said ''blacks''.
I said those of central-west African stock. In general they've done little compared to west Eurasians, east Eurasians and north-east Africans.
No, they haven't stupid, dope. Africans contributed, not millions, not billions, but many TRILLIONS of dollars to the US economy alone. That doesn't include contributions made in the Caribbean, Brazil, Columbia, the Guyanas, and other parts of South America.

Now tell me how the many trillions of dollars that was used to build one of the more technologically advanced economies in the world is "little" in comparison with anyone?

What other group contributed more to fuel this economy, and the global economy, in the Modern Era, into prosperity, in addition to the economies of the Caribbean, Latin America and Europe, than Blacks did prior to the 1800s?
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Well they've...
Domesticated; Wheat, Barley, Lettuce, Apple, Rice, Orange, Dog, Sheep, Pig, Goat, Cattle, Cat, Chicken etc
Invented/discovered; Wheel, Writing, Calender, Sail, Alphabet, Numerals, Industrial Revolution, X-Ray, Automobile, Electricity, Smallpox Vaccine, Gun, Aeroplane, Rocket, Democracy, Capitalism, Modern Physics etc
None of this is relevant, and sure as hell doesn't prove that Blacks contributed nothing compared Russians or East Asians like Japanese, Mongolians or Koreans. Blacks domesticated many beans, rice, yams, greens and so forth, in Africa, and brought many useful crops and agrarian skills with them from Africa, and the list of African descendant contributions while in the Americas in the fields of Medicine, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics, Science, Metallurgy, Agriculture, etc. is quite staggering.
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Well look at both the Muslim World and west Africa today. They clearly did something very wrong during and after the middle ages.
That's a whole other completely irrelevant matter, and has nothing to do with Blacks' immense contributions to the Medieval World or the Modern one.

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I meant late 1800s.

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Me da Wasee Sir.
i've been taught by enlightened and wise Obibini from Africa and America just as well. i'm just reflecting their light.
As for Black African slavery it has to be studied carefully : it's clear that the Muslim traders played a major role and also that sub Sharan traditional slavery was very different from the Transatlantic slave trade and the type of slavery imposed by us whites.
The same word cannot be used without precision about the who, when and specific conditions. There is no equivalent in Black Africa of the horrors of Transatlantic slavery and field slaves in the Americas.
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What's so sad is that most Blacks posting in AA Forum haven't spent half the time as have Attai (a white Frenchman). And many have not even taken the time to study the history of Black people in America or Europe even though they live there.
So much for "Black History Month" in AA Forum.

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BN is your superior.
Deal with it!
I'm not Disaster Looms's superior anything. He's not my enemy and I don't have anything against him as a person. He and I generally have pretty good dealings actually.
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Bakari Neferu wrote:
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The definition of "slave" is someone who is treated as property to be bought and sold. They can be given rights and they can be stripped of rights. They can be denied the right to refuse to do work.
Slave means a loss of control. Slave means you no longer have a choice. Your "life" is over.
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The definition of a domesticated animal is an animal that has been tamed and made to be fit for a human environment.
Slaves were considered domesticated animals.
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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Human slaves are already human, therefore, the definition for domesticated animal automatically means that it is not interchangeable with slavery just on that one merit alone.
Slaves were stripped of their humanity and considered property. In fact, the U.S. constitution states this. Blacks had to "fight" just to be seen as human. The I'm a Man (embarrassing) march illustrates this.
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Secondly, the definition of a domesticated animal has nothing to do with being forced to work or being deprived of the right to refuse to do work or being deprived of rights at all.
Have you have heard of the phrase, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it"? Well, you can't make him do anything else either. If he doesn't feel like working, then he ain't workin'. You can kill him, but you sure as hell can't deny him his right not to work like you can a slave.

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Plenty of slaves died for refusing to work. Plenty chose death.
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i'm ok with the concept of aa ruling over all africa, hehe.
AA's as a collective don't have the intelligence to rule anything.

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What's so sad is that most Blacks posting in AA Forum haven't spent half the time as have Attai (a white Frenchman). And many have not even taken the time to study the history of Black people in America or Europe even though they live there.
So much for "Black History Month" in AA Forum.
Yes, that is sad and embarrassing of Black people.

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Bakari Neferu wrote:
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You are an individual, dummy, not society. The society has a greater demand for doctors and teachers than basketball players.
This demand can be evidenced simply by looking at how much "society" spends on healthcare vs how much they spend on basketball games.
Let's see, Sport Industry generates about 400 billion dollars a year in revenue. The total GDP for America is well over 15 trillion dollars, which would mean that the sports industry is about 2.5% of the total US economy.
Good for them.
Healthcare on the other hand, is about 15 percent of the total economy, and is predicted to comprise at least one fifth of it in 2020.
In 2010 healthcare/medical accounted for the largest share of angel investments, with 30% of total angel investments.
There were other lesser investments like software and biotech, retail, industry, etc.
Guess what percentage sports got as angel investments? Practically none I assume, because sports weren't even listed. LOL...
Oh golly gee what a dumbass you are, boy. And a funny one.
So what does this all mean?
It means that health care, and thus, health care professionals are way more important to the US economy than sports and sports players are, and will continue to be...for about....forever, just as it is for every nation on earth, unless a dumbphuck like you can find me anything that says something different.
So you're comparing the entire health care industry to basketball? Lol... Don't you think it would make more sense to copare it to the amount spent on entertainment since healthcare involves tons of things and not just doctors?

I stated people decide what is important to them, and people make up societies. You're trying to minimalize AA entertainers when you can't. Society has already placed high levels of importance on them.

And like I said before I have just as much respect for AA doctors , engineers etc. But you and, can't minimalize the importance of entertainment in a society. It appears to have and always been a very valued cultural aspect in many societies.

I understand you guys don't want there to be any thing positive about AA, but face it...there is.. and whether people like doctors or Entertainers the most, AA are represented in both.

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Bakari Neferu wrote:
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I'm not Disaster Looms's superior anything. He's not my enemy and I don't have anything against him as a person. He and I generally have pretty good dealings actually.
I apologize.
It will never happen again.
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DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
one thing people should realize when arguing how much better it is to focus on being doctors and engineers and other professionals.
no black nation or large group, like afro-europeans, have produced more doctors and engineers and other professionals, or generated more wealth, relative to their numbers, than AA!
Great post, now they are going to find something negative to say about doctors and other professionals. I think AA would celebrate the success of Africans. Africans appear to want to demean and belittle the success of AA.
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Bakari Neferu wrote:
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My point is that you have no point.
Blacks contributed immensely to modern human development. If they hadn't, the modern world as you currently know it would not exist.
In other words you typing up sentences for the sake of typing up sentences.

I wasn't even talking about the black race rather just central-west Africans and I've said they contributed to the modern world but nowhere near as much as other major regions in humanity.
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The definition of "slave" is someone who is treated as property to be bought and sold. They can be given rights and they can be stripped of rights. They can be denied the right to refuse to do work.
The definition of a domesticated animal is an animal that has been tamed and made to be fit for a human environment.
Human slaves are already human, therefore, the definition for domesticated animal automatically means that it is not interchangeable with slavery just on that one merit alone.
Secondly, the definition of a domesticated animal has nothing to do with being forced to work or being deprived of the right to refuse to do work or being deprived of rights at all.
Have you have heard of the phrase, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it"? Well, you can't make him do anything else either. If he doesn't feel like working, then he ain't workin'. You can kill him, but you sure as hell can't deny him his right not to work like you can a slave.
Felis catus is a domesticated animal. Felis catus's purpose on this earth has nothing to do with "working" for humans. It sure as hell won't be stripped of any rights not to work any time soon, or ever.
Same goes for cockatiels, parakeets, doves, hamsters and a whole host of other domesticated animals.
You still don't understand the difference between ''equivalent'' and the ''same''?

Cattle = Meat, milk, more cattle etc
Horse = Transport, pulling loads, sport etc
Dog = Hunting, herding, pulling loads, protection etc
Slave = Crop growing/picking, breastfeeding, house chores, entertainment, mining, more slaves (children) etc

What they all share in common is they're getting paid nothing but being fed and they're outright the property of their owner.

I never claimed slaves are domesticated animals....
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No, they haven't stupid, dope. Africans contributed, not millions, not billions, but many TRILLIONS of dollars to the US economy alone. That doesn't include contributions made in the Caribbean, Brazil, Columbia, the Guyanas, and other parts of South America.
Now tell me how the many trillions of dollars that was used to build one of the more technologically advanced economies in the world is "little" in comparison with anyone?
What other group contributed more to fuel this economy, and the global economy, in the Modern Era, into prosperity, in addition to the economies of the Caribbean, Latin America and Europe, than Blacks did prior to the 1800s?
The USA gained trillions mainly through events to do with WWII and post WWII up to the 1990s (Cold War).

Africans didn't kick start the industrialization (modernization) of the USA it was Europeans and their descendants during the early 19th century in northeastern USA; Massachusetts, New York and Pennsylvania.

It was because of this that slavery in the south became something to be abolished. Hence the civil war Industrial North vs Agricultural slave south.

By the time the ''great migration'' kicked off (1910s) the northern cities were already industrialized.''African Americans'' simply contributed significantly to a new generation of workers in industry systematically replacing European immigrants (Irish, Sicilians, Jews etc) in northern inner cities like New York City. Now it seems immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America & Africa are replacing ''African Americans'' in these very same cities.

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Doctors & engineers > Entertainers
How dare anyone try to say otherwise?
Entertainers are more popular because they're rarer and most people have small minds which need to be entertained more than provoked in thought. Hence why they get paid more.
I'm sure ''Edward Jenner'' who died in 1823 alone yet next to nobody knows about has done more to humanity than all entertainers in the history of mankind have done combined!
No comparison. Silly how some could really say otherwise.
You can't speak for millions of people.

Society needs garbagemen too right? If there's no garbage men then trash would flood the place leading to disease and the inability to inhabit the area.

So I think it's pretty safe to say that garbage men have a very important role.

People need entertainment just as much as they need doctors. I didn't make this rule, people did, and they made it long before you and I were born.

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Bakari Neferu wrote:
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None of this is relevant, and sure as hell doesn't prove that Blacks contributed nothing compared Russians or East Asians like Japanese, Mongolians or Koreans. Blacks domesticated many beans, rice, yams, greens and so forth, in Africa, and brought many useful crops and agrarian skills with them from Africa, and the list of African descendant contributions while in the Americas in the fields of Medicine, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics, Science, Metallurgy, Agriculture, etc. is quite staggering.
I clearly stated; central-west Africans vs west Eurasians, east Eurasians & north-east Africans.

Most contribution to human development:
1. West Eurasians
2. East Eurasians
3. North-east Africans
4. Central-west Africans
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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That's a whole other completely irrelevant matter, and has nothing to do with Blacks' immense contributions to the Medieval World or the Modern one.
So you say.

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Lame azz AA doctors and professionals!
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You can't speak for millions of people.
Society needs garbagemen too right? If there's no garbage men then trash would flood the place leading to disease and the inability to inhabit the area.
So I think it's pretty safe to say that garbage men have a very important role.
People need entertainment just as much as they need doctors. I didn't make this rule, people did, and they made it long before you and I were born.
I can speak for billions of people when I say ones health is more important than ones amusement gained from some overpaid individuals. I can also speak for billions of people when I say ones state of living is more important than ones amusement gained from some overpaid individuals.

There is a difference between entertainment and the entertainment industry. People can be entertained without seeking outlets from the entertainment industry but people can't get a professional diagnosis without seeking a professional (Doctor).

What came first? The industrialization of the USA or Hollywood/NBA/Universal Music Group? Tell me which one could easily survive as we know it without the other?

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So you're comparing the entire health care industry to basketball? Lol... Don't you think it would make more sense to copare it to the amount spent on entertainment since healthcare involves tons of things and not just doctors?
No, I'm not comparing health care to basketball, I'm comparing health care to SPORTS, which entails a whole lot more than just basketball, which itself entails a whole lot more than just basketball players.

If you're going to try and place basketball players in the entertainment industry, because sports is entertainment, which would naturally include things that have nothing to do with sports at all, like cooking shows for example, then the proper placement to place doctors in would be services, because health care is a service.

By the way, I hope you understand that the service industry generates 80% of the country's Gross Domestic Product.

Not even factoring in retail, industry and finance....how much do you really think entertainment generates compared to services?

Have fun with that.
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I stated people decide what is important to them, and people make up societies.
80 percent of the US economy is services, boy. Nothin' to do with entertainment, let alone frivolous basketball.

Society has spoken!!
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You're trying to minimalize AA entertainers when you can't.
I don't have to minimize anything when 80 percent of the US economy has more to do with doctors than it ever had to do with basketball players.
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Society has already placed high levels of importance on them.
Not anywhere compared to health care, fool. 15 percent of the US GDP is Health care. 30 percent of Angel investments go to health care.

How much of that goes to sports?

Society has spoken!!!

HAHAHA!!
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And like I said before I have just as much respect for AA doctors , engineers etc. But you and, can't minimalize the importance of entertainment in a society. It appears to have and always been a very valued cultural aspect in many societies.
The evidence is clear.

Health care is way more important to society than sports. Way more.

Just compare the GDP expenditure. Sports is MINIMAL by comparison, thus, of minimal importance by comparison.
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I understand you guys don't want there to be any thing positive about AA, but face it...there is.. and whether people like doctors or Entertainers the most, AA are represented in both.
Services comprise 80 percent of the GDP. Many Trillions of dollars

Entertainment is so low it's barely mentioned.

Services, Health care, Health care professionals is SUPERIOR to Entertainment, Sports, Professional Sports players.

That's the way it is, and it has always been that way.

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That would only happen to you ass licking dougla ass. Not Africans! Africa be a no go for alot of ya. LOL!
in all reality the chinese will likely be your next masters.

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ashanti king wrote:
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I already provided links that says otherwise, most Africans that are in America are also doing business on Africa, so of course if there is a recession in America, then some will return home. After all Africa was the least hit with the recession. Is that simple.
Like I have been saying, you hate africans because what Nigerians did and continue to do to u. This link says recession hit blacks the hardest not africans but blacks. Read these links and it will tell u it has more to do about race than anything.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/...
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/nei...
i dont hate anyone. i just like pushing your buttons.
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So you're comparing the entire health care industry to basketball? Lol... Don't you think it would make more sense to copare it to the amount spent on entertainment since healthcare involves tons of things and not just doctors?
People need to be entertained. This is certainly a fact, however this "need" only goes so far as society can afford. Therefore, it isn't a true need. And entertainers are the least respected group of people because what they do, in general, doesn't require a lot of intelligence..if any at all.
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I stated people decide what is important to them, and people make up societies. You're trying to minimalize AA entertainers when you can't. Society has already placed high levels of importance on them.
However, society hasn't placed them above Dr's..entertainment comes last in society. Yes, it's "needed" but it's last. Entertainment isn't the bedrock of any successful society.
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And like I said before I have just as much respect for AA doctors , engineers etc.
This isn't about race..especially considering whites play most of the sports and hold most of the entertainment fields in this country.
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But you and, can't minimalize the importance of entertainment in a society. It appears to have and always been a very valued cultural aspect in many societies.
Entertainment is not valued in the way you want to represent. Yes, it does fulfill a need because we all like to be entertained. However, it isn't needed. You are confusing the two.
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I understand you guys don't want there to be any thing positive about AA, but face it...there is.. and whether people like doctors or Entertainers the most, AA are represented in both.
What does race or culture have to do with this?

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